Stus-List Re: Sink drain hose

2025-04-11 Thread David Knecht via CnC-List 
Hi Dave- Thanks for you message and I like your suggestion.  I did not know 
there was a more flexible version of non-collapsing hose.  I thought about 
using reinforced PVC and did not realize it might kink so you saved me from 
that mistake.  Have you tried to get the softball hose off and on a barb yet?  
If it is easier to remove, that would solve my problem.  Have you considered 
using grease to help?  Dave

S/V Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



> On Apr 10, 2025, at 3:39 PM, Dave S via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Anywhere there’s vaccuum (I.e. cooling intake) for sure you’d want a 
> non-collapsing hose.  (Negative pressure more an issue than  positive 
> pressure)  
> 
> I had a fibre reinfoced clear pvc reinf sink drain hose kink at a bend point 
> and replaced it with MPI series 110 hose, which was much easier to work with 
> than the stiff Lloyd’s approved stuff I had used elsewhere.   I’ll use it to 
> replace the clear stuff on other through-hulls in future. 
> https://marinehose.com/product/series-110/<110-Softwall-Water-Cut-Away.jpg>
> https://marinehose.com/product/series-110/ 
> 
> Dave 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 10, 2025, at 12:17 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> David,
>> 
>> There is an ABYC standard: Hoses that connect to underwater fittings should 
>> be manufactured to SAE J20R3 as a minimum and marked as such on the outer 
>> surface.
>> 
>> They are reinforced (and yes, stiff).  You could use wire reinforced clear 
>> hose.  Less stiff than the black or sanitation hose.
>> 
>> Joel
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 12:05 PM David Knecht via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>> I am wondering if there is a reason why one would need to (or want to) use 
>>> a thick, stiff hose for a sink drain connected to a seacock.  It makes 
>>> bends difficult/impossible and makes it difficult to remove the hose from 
>>> the barb.  It seems like overkill in a situation where there is little to 
>>> no pressure on the hose.  Something like Tygon/PVC tubing would seem 
>>> adequate and much easier to work with.  I would think the same would be 
>>> true for the raw water cooling hoses.  Am I missing something?  Dave
>>> 
>>> S/V Aries
>>> 1990 C&C 34+
>>> New London, CT
>>> 
> 
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Joel 
>> 
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Stus-List Re: Sink drain hose

2025-04-11 Thread Dave S via CnC-List 
I didn’t know either, i kinda discovered it by accident.  It’s good stuff.  I normally just cut the hose at the barb then cut (and pry) what’s left off the barb.   For the really tough wire-reinforced hose an oscillating multitool with a bimetal blade works well for this and is easy to control.  If I need to lubricate the barb for installation I typically use dishwashing soap.  Might have been an old motorcycle trick for hand grips, can’t quite remember.  Used to use hairsprayFor that as well.   I’ve used heat to soften that hard corrugated sanitation hose for installation. (Boiling water or a heat gun)   I don’t  use that hose any more though, the rubber Italian stuff is so much better, and is therefore cheaper in the long run.  Hope that helps. Dave Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 11, 2025, at 3:46 PM, David Knecht via CnC-List  wrote:Hi Dave- Thanks for you message and I like your suggestion.  I did not know there was a more flexible version of non-collapsing hose.  I thought about using reinforced PVC and did not realize it might kink so you saved me from that mistake.  Have you tried to get the softball hose off and on a barb yet?  If it is easier to remove, that would solve my problem.  Have you considered using grease to help?  Dave
S/V Aries1990 C&C 34+New London, CT


On Apr 10, 2025, at 3:39 PM, Dave S via CnC-List  wrote:Anywhere there’s vaccuum (I.e. cooling intake) for sure you’d want a non-collapsing hose.  (Negative pressure more an issue than  positive pressure)  I had a fibre reinfoced clear pvc reinf sink drain hose kink at a bend point and replaced it with MPI series 110 hose, which was much easier to work with than the stiff Lloyd’s approved stuff I had used elsewhere.   I’ll use it to replace the clear stuff on other through-hulls in future. <110-Softwall-Water-Cut-Away.jpg>Series 110marinehose.com Dave Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 10, 2025, at 12:17 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  wrote:David,There is an ABYC standard: Hoses that connect to underwater fittings should be manufactured to SAE J20R3 as a minimum and marked as such on the outer surface.They are reinforced (and yes, stiff).  You could use wire reinforced clear hose.  Less stiff than the black or sanitation hose.JoelOn Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 12:05 PM David Knecht via CnC-List  wrote:I am wondering if there is a reason why one would need to (or want to) use a thick, stiff hose for a sink drain connected to a seacock.  It makes bends difficult/impossible and makes it difficult to remove the hose from the barb.  It seems like overkill in a situation where there is little to no pressure on the hose.  Something like Tygon/PVC tubing would seem adequate and much easier to work with.  I would think the same would be true for the raw water cooling hoses.  Am I missing something?  Dave
S/V Aries1990 C&C 34+New London, CT



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Stus-List Re: Sink drain hose

2025-04-11 Thread Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
I have been using Silicone Radiator Hose for some of these hoses.
While I realise that they may not be Approved, as Joel notes, where I need
to remove these occasionally  these are a godsend. Like me, they have no
memory, and are simple to remove. With that in mind, I always use two good
quality SS Clamps on them.  For me, the only downside is that they are
pricey, but there is a local  Hose Vendor that has pretty good prices.  I
wouldn't use these for a major suction purpose.

Bill Coleman
Erie

On Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 3:46 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Hi Dave- Thanks for you message and I like your suggestion.  I did not
> know there was a more flexible version of non-collapsing hose.  I thought
> about using reinforced PVC and did not realize it might kink so you saved
> me from that mistake.  Have you tried to get the softball hose off and on a
> barb yet?  If it is easier to remove, that would solve my problem.  Have
> you considered using grease to help?  Dave
>
> S/V Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
> [image: pastedGraphic.tiff]
>
> On Apr 10, 2025, at 3:39 PM, Dave S via CnC-List 
> wrote:
>
> Anywhere there’s vaccuum (I.e. cooling intake) for sure you’d want a
> non-collapsing hose.  (Negative pressure more an issue than  positive
> pressure)
>
> I had a fibre reinfoced clear pvc reinf sink drain hose kink at a bend
> point and replaced it with MPI series 110 hose, which was much easier to
> work with than the stiff Lloyd’s approved stuff I had used elsewhere.
> I’ll use it to replace the clear stuff on other through-hulls in future.
> 
> <110-Softwall-Water-Cut-Away.jpg>
> Series 110 
> marinehose.com 
> 
>
>
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 10, 2025, at 12:17 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
> David,
>
> There is an ABYC standard: Hoses that connect to underwater fittings
> should be manufactured to SAE J20R3 as a minimum and marked as such on the
> outer surface.
>
> They are reinforced (and yes, stiff).  You could use wire reinforced clear
> hose.  Less stiff than the black or sanitation hose.
>
> Joel
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 12:05 PM David Knecht via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I am wondering if there is a reason why one would need to (or want to)
>> use a thick, stiff hose for a sink drain connected to a seacock.  It makes
>> bends difficult/impossible and makes it difficult to remove the hose from
>> the barb.  It seems like overkill in a situation where there is little to
>> no pressure on the hose.  Something like Tygon/PVC tubing would seem
>> adequate and much easier to work with.  I would think the same would be
>> true for the raw water cooling hoses.  Am I missing something?  Dave
>>
>> S/V Aries
>> 1990 C&C 34+
>> New London, CT
>>
>> 
>
>
>> Your contributions help pay the fees associated with this list and help
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>> greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
> --
> Joel
>
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>
>
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Stus-List Re: Sink drain hose

2025-04-11 Thread CHARLES SCHEAFFER via CnC-List 
FWIW, Harbor Freight sells cheap hose remover tools.  They look like a screw 
driver with a hooked end.  Work great to work the hose loose from a barbed 
fitting and then pull it off.   You have to buy a set, but you wind up with 
different sizes and styles you can divide between the boat, the car, and the 
garage shop.
 
Chuck S

> On 04/11/2025 5:33 PM EDT Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
> wrote:
>  
>  
> I have been using Silicone Radiator Hose for some of these hoses.
> While I realise that they may not be Approved, as Joel notes, where I need to 
> remove these occasionally  these are a godsend. Like me, they have no memory, 
> and are simple to remove. With that in mind, I always use two good quality SS 
> Clamps on them.  For me, the only downside is that they are pricey, but there 
> is a local  Hose Vendor that has pretty good prices.  I wouldn't use these 
> for a major suction purpose.
>  
> Bill Coleman
> Erie
> 
> On Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 3:46 PM David Knecht via CnC-List 
> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Dave- Thanks for you message and I like your suggestion.  I did not know 
> > there was a more flexible version of non-collapsing hose.  I thought about 
> > using reinforced PVC and did not realize it might kink so you saved me from 
> > that mistake.  Have you tried to get the softball hose off and on a barb 
> > yet?  If it is easier to remove, that would solve my problem.  Have you 
> > considered using grease to help?  Dave
> > 
> > S/V Aries
> > 1990 C&C 34+
> > New London, CT
> > 
> > [pastedGraphic.tiff]
> > 
> > 
> > > On Apr 10, 2025, at 3:39 PM, Dave S via CnC-List  > > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Anywhere there’s vaccuum (I.e. cooling intake) for sure you’d want a 
> > > non-collapsing hose.  (Negative pressure more an issue than  positive 
> > > pressure)  
> > >  
> > > I had a fibre reinfoced clear pvc reinf sink drain hose kink at a bend 
> > > point and replaced it with MPI series 110 hose, which was much easier to 
> > > work with than the stiff Lloyd’s approved stuff I had used elsewhere.   
> > > I’ll use it to replace the clear stuff on other through-hulls in future. 
> > >  
> > > <110-Softwall-Water-Cut-Away.jpg>
> > >  
> > > Series 110 https://marinehose.com/product/series-110/
> > > marinehose.com https://marinehose.com/product/series-110/
> > >  
> > >  
> > > Dave 
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > On Apr 10, 2025, at 12:17 PM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List 
> > > > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > > David,
> > > >  
> > > > There is an ABYC standard: Hoses that connect to underwater fittings 
> > > > should be manufactured to SAE J20R3 as a minimum and marked as such on 
> > > > the outer surface.
> > > >  
> > > > They are reinforced (and yes, stiff).  You could use wire reinforced 
> > > > clear hose.  Less stiff than the black or sanitation hose.
> > > >  
> > > > Joel
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 12:05 PM David Knecht via CnC-List 
> > > > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > I am wondering if there is a reason why one would need to (or want 
> > > > > to) use a thick, stiff hose for a sink drain connected to a seacock.  
> > > > > It makes bends difficult/impossible and makes it difficult to remove 
> > > > > the hose from the barb.  It seems like overkill in a situation where 
> > > > > there is little to no pressure on the hose.  Something like Tygon/PVC 
> > > > > tubing would seem adequate and much easier to work with.  I would 
> > > > > think the same would be true for the raw water cooling hoses.  Am I 
> > > > > missing something?  Dave
> > > > > 
> > > > > S/V Aries
> > > > > 1990 C&C 34+
> > > > > New London, CT
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > >  
> > > > > Your contributions help pay the fees associated with this list and 
> > > > > help to keep it active.  Please help by making a small contribution 
> > > > > using PayPal at:  https://www.paypal.com/paypalme/stumurray  All 
> > > > > contributions are greatly appreciated.
> > > > > 
> > > >  
> > > >  
> > > > --
> > > > Joel
> > > > 
> > > > Your contributions help pay the fees associated with this list and help 
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