Stus-List Re: C&C to race - cold weather discussion topic

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Don't kid yourself-even with the longer rudder they are still amazing
broachers! We've had several, including one spectacular one+

Bill Coleman
Entrada, Erie PA

On Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 1:19 AM Martin DeYoung via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> More often than not both bloopers and staysails seemed to add a quarter
> knot going up and a quarter knot coming down.
>
>
>
> One of the best uses of a blooper I experienced early on was during the
> windy 1977 Transpac. The C&C 39 I was on still had the original short, low
> aspect ratio rudder and small diameter steering wheel.
>
> In typical trade wind conditions, sailing as close to DDW as possible, the
> blooper helped balance the sail plan pulling the bow back down when the
> boat was thinking of taking a hard swing to weather.
>
>
>
> Those short C&C 39 rudders embarrassed more that a few helmsmen.  Here in
> the PNW, back in the late 70’s there was  4 or 5 C&C 39’s actively racing
> and competitive.  A local sailmaker and rockstar helmsman named Scott
> Rohrer (an acquaintance of mine still) was at the helm of a 39 a few boat
> lengths behind us. We all had spinnakers up but the conditions were
> deteriorating. As the 39 Scott was driving began performing the death roll,
> we could hear Scott yelling “I got it, I got it..” just before his boat
> spun hard to weather in a full broach.
>
>
>
> For a long time we called Scott “Rodeo Rohrer” as in “going to the rodeo
> for a roundup”.  PNW C&C 39s with the short rudder got a reputation as
> “broach coaches” until they received the rudder upgrade.
>
>
>
> Martin DeYoung
>
> Calypso
>
> 1971 C&C 43
>
> Port Ludlow/Seattle
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail  for
> Windows
>
>
>
> *From: *Fred Hazzard via CnC-List 
> *Sent: *Saturday, December 11, 2021 4:52 PM
> *To: *Stus-List 
> *Cc: *Fred Hazzard 
> *Subject: *Stus-List Re: C&C to race - cold weather discussion topic
>
>
>
> That all sounds good except the blooper.
>
> My recollection of using the blooper on my one tonner  was, we went a
> quarter knot faster when we put it up and quarter knot faster when we took
> it down. The best thing about it was that it kept the crew ingaged trying
> to keep it full and out of the water.
>
> 😁
>
> Fred Hazzard
>
> S/V Fury
>
> C&C 44
>
> Portland Or
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Martin, do I remember correctly; wasn't your boat originally Esta Es from
> Lake Michigan?
>
> Ron
>
> Wild Cheri
>
> C&C 30-1
>
> STL
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 01:51:01 AM CST, Martin DeYoung via
> CnC-List  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> I would go back to a C&C 39, tall rig, deep rudder and the light weight
> Atomic 4 aux engine. Prep it to be fully optimized for its PNW PHRF rating
> but include a “penalty pole” and blooper for those long DDW legs. I would
> also want the upgraded winch package that included the Barient titanium
> drum 3 speed primary winches.
>
> Back in the late 70’s the 39s did well in the typical light air races that
> were long enough to experience several changes of current that could keep a
> crew of 6 out for 24 to 36 hours in relative comfort. If the wind came up
> it could still go upwind without the whole neighborhood camped out on the
> rail.
>
> Martin DeYoung
> Calypso
> 1971 C&C 43
> Port Ludlow/Seattle
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
>
>
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks
> - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu

Stus-List Re: C&C to race - cold weather discussion topic

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

We Laser sailors got to steer IOR boats downwind a lot due to the Laser’s 
propensity for getting the helmsman a swim if he made a mistake sailing 
downwind. You either got to be a good helmsman or a good swimmer!
Andy

Andrew Burton
26 Beacon Hill
Newport, RI 
USA02840

http://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/
+401 965-5260

> On Dec 12, 2021, at 11:34, Bill Coleman via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Don't kid yourself-even with the longer rudder they are still amazing 
> broachers! We've had several, including one spectacular one+
> 
> Bill Coleman
> Entrada, Erie PA
> 
>> On Sun, Dec 12, 2021, 1:19 AM Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> More often than not both bloopers and staysails seemed to add a quarter knot 
>> going up and a quarter knot coming down.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> One of the best uses of a blooper I experienced early on was during the 
>> windy 1977 Transpac. The C&C 39 I was on still had the original short, low 
>> aspect ratio rudder and small diameter steering wheel.
>> 
>> In typical trade wind conditions, sailing as close to DDW as possible, the 
>> blooper helped balance the sail plan pulling the bow back down when the boat 
>> was thinking of taking a hard swing to weather.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Those short C&C 39 rudders embarrassed more that a few helmsmen.  Here in 
>> the PNW, back in the late 70’s there was  4 or 5 C&C 39’s actively racing 
>> and competitive.  A local sailmaker and rockstar helmsman named Scott Rohrer 
>> (an acquaintance of mine still) was at the helm of a 39 a few boat lengths 
>> behind us. We all had spinnakers up but the conditions were deteriorating. 
>> As the 39 Scott was driving began performing the death roll, we could hear 
>> Scott yelling “I got it, I got it..” just before his boat spun hard to 
>> weather in a full broach.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> For a long time we called Scott “Rodeo Rohrer” as in “going to the rodeo for 
>> a roundup”.  PNW C&C 39s with the short rudder got a reputation as “broach 
>> coaches” until they received the rudder upgrade.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Martin DeYoung
>> 
>> Calypso
>> 
>> 1971 C&C 43
>> 
>> Port Ludlow/Seattle
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from Mail for Windows
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Fred Hazzard via CnC-List
>> Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2021 4:52 PM
>> To: Stus-List
>> Cc: Fred Hazzard
>> Subject: Stus-List Re: C&C to race - cold weather discussion topic
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> That all sounds good except the blooper.  
>> 
>> My recollection of using the blooper on my one tonner  was, we went a 
>> quarter knot faster when we put it up and quarter knot faster when we took 
>> it down. The best thing about it was that it kept the crew ingaged trying to 
>> keep it full and out of the water. 
>> 
>> 😁
>> 
>> Fred Hazzard 
>> 
>> S/V Fury 
>> 
>> C&C 44
>> 
>> Portland Or 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 11, 2021, at 3:43 PM, Ronald B. Frerker via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Martin, do I remember correctly; wasn't your boat originally Esta Es from 
>> Lake Michigan?
>> 
>> Ron
>> 
>> Wild Cheri
>> 
>> C&C 30-1
>> 
>> STL
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tuesday, November 30, 2021, 01:51:01 AM CST, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I would go back to a C&C 39, tall rig, deep rudder and the light weight 
>> Atomic 4 aux engine. Prep it to be fully optimized for its PNW PHRF rating 
>> but include a “penalty pole” and blooper for those long DDW legs. I would 
>> also want the upgraded winch package that included the Barient titanium drum 
>> 3 speed primary winches.
>> 
>> Back in the late 70’s the 39s did well in the typical light air races that 
>> were long enough to experience several changes of current that could keep a 
>> crew of 6 out for 24 to 36 hours in relative comfort. If the wind came up it 
>> could still go upwind without the whole neighborhood camped out on the rail.
>> 
>> Martin DeYoung
>> Calypso 
>> 1971 C&C 43
>> Port Ludlow/Seattle 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
>> Stu
>>  
>> 
>> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
>> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
>> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - 
>> Stu
> Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with 
> the costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use 
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu
Thanks to all of the subscribers that contributed to the list to help with the 
costs involved.  If you want to show your support to the list - use PayPal to 
send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray  Thanks - Stu