Stus-List Boat Selling Tips
Hi guys, I’ve been lurking for quite some time, but still have an interest for this great group. Having purchased a larger cruising boat last year (Bavaria 44), I have tried for over a year to sell my 1986 C&C Mk-III. I initially tried to sell it myself. I listed it on Craigslist, advertised on the FSBO web site (for sale by owner), and spread the word through my local sailors. When summer turned to fall and no action, I enlisted a reputable local broker to list my boat. After listing it on Yacht World for over a year, we have yet to have a single buyer interested enough to even come take a look at it. The boat is well equipped for racing and cruising and comes with a ton of equipment. I’ve dropped the price over $10K and still no interest. What does it take to sell a boat these days? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks, Jake Brodersen 1986 C&C 35 Mk-III “Midnight Mistress” Hampton VA ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List 3 blade prop question
Good day fellow C&C'ers, I currently have a 2 blade prop on our Landfall 38SL (1980). The control while in reverse is barely anything and I'm considering a 3 blade. I understand I'll lose some efficiency, but I'd prefer better motoring control. I've read about the prop in the below link, but was wondering what some of you have in regards to diameter and pitch. I know my shaft is 1 1/8". Appreciate your help. Michigan Wheel 18 inch 3 Blade Sailer 3 bronze SL33B18B prop https://www.deepblueyachtsupply.com/18-sailer3-3-blade-bronze?gclid=Cj0KCQjwi7DtBRCLARIsAGCJWBrM4rjywTB6pMhu5xTu6fZMXarnoJezC-QbExaUHfxbZJkXXuWqe8waAvUEEALw_wcB ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 3 blade prop question
HI Brian, I had a LF38 (hull #4) with the same issues you're complaining about. Inefficiency while motoring, almost non-existence reverse. I installed a fixed pitch 3 blade prop. While it did help with motoring, reverse was not much better. On my new (to me) LF39, which came with a max prop. All I can say is wow! What a difference. motoring forward is better than the 2 blade and about equal to the fixed 3 blade. Reverse is a whole new world. That being said. I had the Paragon transmission which I could leave is neutral while sailing. Letting the prop freewheel. I think the dimension for the fixed prop were 18x11. I was told you want 1 less inch of pitch over the 2 blade. $3300 for the MAX prop is a lot swallow.I hope I answered at least some of your questions. Doug here are a couple of articles on prop comparisons https://www.yachtingmonthly.com/gear/folding-and-feathering-propeller-test-29807 https://www.practical-sailor.com/issues/44_2/features/Folding-vs-Feathering-Props_12354-1.html https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/why-low-drag-propellers On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 7:36 AM Brian Davis via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Good day fellow C&C'ers, > > I currently have a 2 blade prop on our Landfall 38SL (1980). The control > while in reverse is barely anything and I'm considering a 3 blade. I > understand I'll lose some efficiency, but I'd prefer better motoring > control. I've read about the prop in the below link, but was wondering what > some of you have in regards to diameter and pitch. I know my shaft is 1 > 1/8". > > Appreciate your help. > > Michigan Wheel 18 inch 3 Blade Sailer 3 bronze SL33B18B prop > > https://www.deepblueyachtsupply.com/18-sailer3-3-blade-bronze?gclid=Cj0KCQjwi7DtBRCLARIsAGCJWBrM4rjywTB6pMhu5xTu6fZMXarnoJezC-QbExaUHfxbZJkXXuWqe8waAvUEEALw_wcB > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > -- Douglas Mountjoy 253-208-1412 Port Orchard YC, WA Rebecca Leah LF39 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 3 blade prop question
Thank you very much for your email, Doug! On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 11:03 AM Doug Mountjoy via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > HI Brian, > I had a LF38 (hull #4) with the same issues you're complaining about. > Inefficiency while motoring, almost non-existence reverse. I installed a > fixed pitch 3 blade prop. While it did help with motoring, reverse was not > much better. On my new (to me) LF39, which came with a max prop. All I can > say is wow! What a difference. motoring forward is better than the 2 blade > and about equal to the fixed 3 blade. Reverse is a whole new world. That > being said. I had the Paragon transmission which I could leave is neutral > while sailing. Letting the prop freewheel. I think the dimension for the > fixed prop were 18x11. I was told you want 1 less inch of pitch over the 2 > blade. $3300 for the MAX prop is a lot swallow.I hope I answered at least > some of your questions. > > Doug > > here are a couple of articles on prop comparisons > > https://www.yachtingmonthly.com/gear/folding-and-feathering-propeller-test-29807 > > https://www.practical-sailor.com/issues/44_2/features/Folding-vs-Feathering-Props_12354-1.html > https://www.sailmagazine.com/diy/why-low-drag-propellers > > On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 7:36 AM Brian Davis via CnC-List < > cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > >> Good day fellow C&C'ers, >> >> I currently have a 2 blade prop on our Landfall 38SL (1980). The control >> while in reverse is barely anything and I'm considering a 3 blade. I >> understand I'll lose some efficiency, but I'd prefer better motoring >> control. I've read about the prop in the below link, but was wondering what >> some of you have in regards to diameter and pitch. I know my shaft is 1 >> 1/8". >> >> Appreciate your help. >> >> Michigan Wheel 18 inch 3 Blade Sailer 3 bronze SL33B18B prop >> >> https://www.deepblueyachtsupply.com/18-sailer3-3-blade-bronze?gclid=Cj0KCQjwi7DtBRCLARIsAGCJWBrM4rjywTB6pMhu5xTu6fZMXarnoJezC-QbExaUHfxbZJkXXuWqe8waAvUEEALw_wcB >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each >> and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - >> use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> >> > > -- > Douglas Mountjoy > 253-208-1412 > Port Orchard YC, WA > Rebecca Leah > LF39 > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Fwd: 3 blade prop question
Brian I have a three blade Campbell Sailor and am very pleased. http://www.westbynorth.com/campbell-sailer/ Mike C&C 37 Begin forwarded message: > From: Brian Davis via CnC-List > Date: October 20, 2019 at 10:36:23 AM EDT > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: Brian Davis > Subject: Stus-List 3 blade prop question > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Fwd: 3 blade prop question
Thank you! Appreciate the info and link. On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 12:56 PM Mike Taylor via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Brian > > I have a three blade Campbell Sailor and am very pleased. > > http://www.westbynorth.com/campbell-sailer/ > > Mike > C&C 37 > Begin forwarded message: > > *From:* Brian Davis via CnC-List > *Date:* October 20, 2019 at 10:36:23 AM EDT > *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com > *Cc:* Brian Davis > *Subject:* *Stus-List 3 blade prop question* > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Boat Selling Tips
You could try joining the C&C Owners Group on Facebook, there are those who are looking to move up. Good luck. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1655902941377582/ Jim Watts Paradigm Shift C&C 35 Mk III Victoria, BC On Sun, 20 Oct 2019 at 07:11, Jake Brodersen via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > *Hi guys,* > > *I’ve been lurking for quite some time, but still have an interest for > this great group. Having purchased a larger cruising boat last year > (Bavaria 44), I have tried for over a year to sell my 1986 C&C Mk-III. I > initially tried to sell it myself. I listed it on Craigslist, advertised > on the FSBO web site (for sale by owner), and spread the word through my > local sailors.* > > *When summer turned to fall and no action, I enlisted a reputable local > broker to list my boat. After listing it on Yacht World for over a year, > we have yet to have a single buyer interested enough to even come take a > look at it. * > > *The boat is well equipped for racing and cruising and comes with a ton of > equipment. I’ve dropped the price over $10K and still no interest. What > does it take to sell a boat these days? Any suggestions would be > appreciated.* > > *Thanks,* > > *Jake Brodersen* > > *1986 C&C 35 Mk-III* > > *“Midnight Mistress”* > > *Hampton VA* > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Boat Selling Tips
Try: https://www.sailboatlistings.com/sailboats_for_sale/ https://www.sailboatowners.com/classified2/adsmanager.php https://www.sailingtexas.com/cboats.html (not just for Texas boats) Finally, one thing that tremendously helped a friend sell his old trawler: owner financing. He took 30% down, had the buyer sign a very strong lien and, most importantly, required the purchaser to list him (the seller) as first insured on the insurance with notification by the insurance company if the insurance was cancelled or premiums not paid or some such assurance. A condition of the lien was the boat reverted back to the seller in the event insurance was dropped. A second friend with a very similar trawler had his sit with no interest for many, many months. He wanted cash and would not offer owner finance. Your boat is 33 years old. Many financing entities won't issue a loan for a boat that old. Dennis C. Touche' 35-1 #83 Mandeville, LA On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 9:11 AM Jake Brodersen via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > *Hi guys,* > > *I’ve been lurking for quite some time, but still have an interest for > this great group. Having purchased a larger cruising boat last year > (Bavaria 44), I have tried for over a year to sell my 1986 C&C Mk-III. I > initially tried to sell it myself. I listed it on Craigslist, advertised > on the FSBO web site (for sale by owner), and spread the word through my > local sailors.* > > *When summer turned to fall and no action, I enlisted a reputable local > broker to list my boat. After listing it on Yacht World for over a year, > we have yet to have a single buyer interested enough to even come take a > look at it. * > > *The boat is well equipped for racing and cruising and comes with a ton of > equipment. I’ve dropped the price over $10K and still no interest. What > does it take to sell a boat these days? Any suggestions would be > appreciated.* > > *Thanks,* > > *Jake Brodersen* > > *1986 C&C 35 Mk-III* > > *“Midnight Mistress”* > > *Hampton VA* > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List boat selling tips
I've had lots of luck and sold to older boats on sailboatlistings.com it's free and lots of brokers you today as well tons of visibility. just be aware there's plenty of scam artists out there looking to make a buck. On Sun, Oct 20, 2019, 11:00 AM wrote: > Send CnC-List mailing list submissions to > cnc-list@cnc-list.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > cnc-list-ow...@cnc-list.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CnC-List digest..." > Today's Topics: > >1. Air in fuel line (cenel...@aol.com) >2. Boat Selling Tips (captain_j...@cox.net) >3. 3 blade prop question (Brian Davis) >4. Re: 3 blade prop question (Doug Mountjoy) > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: cenel...@aol.com > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:26:41 + (UTC) > Subject: Stus-List Air in fuel line > When replacing the top cover with large 0-ring of the Racor (whether you > mount a vacuum gauge on it or not), be sure to not over-tighten it--whether > you use your hand (as Racor recommends IIRC) or a wrench. > > I got carried away when I installed a vacuum gauge on the top plate and > had more engine stalls with air in the line than I could count! > > My mechanic was as confused as I was but suggested that I replace the top > plate of the Racor--voila problem solved! > > I evidently over-tightened the plate enough that I deformed it very > slightly so that the middle of it (where the bolt/gauge is threaded into > the bottom piece) was 'dimpled in'. As a result, the outer edge of the > plate (which holds the large O-ring) was unable to seal properly when fuel > was sucked thru it so air was admitted. > > When pressure tested, there was no leak since the pressure un-dimpled the > plate enough to seal the O-ring! Talk about Murphy being a sailor!! > > FWIW, > > Charlie Nelson > > > > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: > To: > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 10:10:38 -0400 > Subject: Stus-List Boat Selling Tips > > *Hi guys,* > > *I’ve been lurking for quite some time, but still have an interest for > this great group. Having purchased a larger cruising boat last year > (Bavaria 44), I have tried for over a year to sell my 1986 C&C Mk-III. I > initially tried to sell it myself. I listed it on Craigslist, advertised > on the FSBO web site (for sale by owner), and spread the word through my > local sailors.* > > *When summer turned to fall and no action, I enlisted a reputable local > broker to list my boat. After listing it on Yacht World for over a year, > we have yet to have a single buyer interested enough to even come take a > look at it. * > > *The boat is well equipped for racing and cruising and comes with a ton of > equipment. I’ve dropped the price over $10K and still no interest. What > does it take to sell a boat these days? Any suggestions would be > appreciated.* > > *Thanks,* > > *Jake Brodersen* > > *1986 C&C 35 Mk-III* > > *“Midnight Mistress”* > > *Hampton VA* > > > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Brian Davis > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 10:35:27 -0400 > Subject: Stus-List 3 blade prop question > Good day fellow C&C'ers, > > I currently have a 2 blade prop on our Landfall 38SL (1980). The control > while in reverse is barely anything and I'm considering a 3 blade. I > understand I'll lose some efficiency, but I'd prefer better motoring > control. I've read about the prop in the below link, but was wondering what > some of you have in regards to diameter and pitch. I know my shaft is 1 > 1/8". > > Appreciate your help. > > Michigan Wheel 18 inch 3 Blade Sailer 3 bronze SL33B18B prop > > https://www.deepblueyachtsupply.com/18-sailer3-3-blade-bronze?gclid=Cj0KCQjwi7DtBRCLARIsAGCJWBrM4rjywTB6pMhu5xTu6fZMXarnoJezC-QbExaUHfxbZJkXXuWqe8waAvUEEALw_wcB > > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Doug Mountjoy > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 08:02:17 -0700 > Subject: Re: Stus-List 3 blade prop question > HI Brian, > I had a LF38 (hull #4) with the same issues you're complaining about. > Inefficiency while motoring, almost non-existence reverse. I installed a > fixed pitch 3 blade prop. While it did help with motoring, reverse was not > much better. On my new (to me) LF39, which came with a max prop. All I can > say is wow! What a difference. motoring forward is better than the 2 blade > and about equal to the fixed 3 blade. Reverse is a whole new world. That > being said. I had the Paragon transmission which I could leave is neutral > while sailing. Letting the prop freewheel. I think the dimension for
Re: Stus-List St Michael's rendezvous
Everyone get home today safely? I had a wet trip back right into the NorEaster. No real issues besides the voltage regulator dying for some reason - maybe being 25 years old ??? - so I kluged a cabin light bulb as a regulator and it held a about 12.9 volts. The Narrows had the current against me full blast at the bridge and then when I got to Castle Harbor the waves lines right up straight between the jettys and I hit 8.5 knots coming into the marina :) In case I forgot: THANKS EVERYONE!!! My wife and I had a GREAT TIME and some GREAT FOOD! Joe Coquina ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List St Michael's rendezvous
Yeah, the rendezvous in St Michaels was great. It's so nice to finally meet you and all the others and link a person to all the emails we share. So many great people and so many great stories. Hope to get my boat to the next one. Great camaraderie and good weather and excellent food. Look forward to getting those recipes. Chuck Scheaffer, Resolute, 1990 C&C 34R on the hard in Pasadena, Md I posted a few pictures of the boats and attendees, here: https://photos.app.goo.gl/yK8KQRrC7ySEo2GS8 > On October 20, 2019 at 7:15 PM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List > mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote: > > > Everyone get home today safely? > > I had a wet trip back right into the NorEaster. No real issues besides > the voltage regulator dying for some reason - maybe being 25 years old > ??? - so I kluged a cabin light bulb as a regulator and it held a about > 12.9 volts. The Narrows had the current against me full blast at the > bridge and then when I got to Castle Harbor the waves lines right up > straight between the jettys and I hit 8.5 knots coming into the marina :) > > In case I forgot: THANKS EVERYONE!!! My wife and I had a GREAT TIME and > some GREAT FOOD! > > Joe > > Coquina > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Boat Selling Tips
Jake, Have you gotten any calls at all? If not then your add and/or photos are not working. Was your broker able to give you a sold boats comparison of C&Cs like yours? That week help you know if your pricing is reasonable. If you are getting calls and showings then, there is something with the boat. Do you have maintenance records? When's the last time the rig was serviced/replaced. How old are the sails, life lines, cushions, head hoses etc... clean clean clean. Does it have that gross old boat smell? Scrub the bilge. That really helps. If the boat needs sails & standing rigging you should adjust your price too allow for those or do it yourself and out that in the ad. I replaced sails and standing rigging on a Viking 33 and the cost was almost $6k. I certainly take all this into considering when I've been boat shopping. So many people defer defer defer and then expect high market value. My Viking was clean had new everything, including a new engine and I got high market value in 6 weeks on the market. I sold it myself. I listed everywhere. SailboatOwners, sailboatlistings, sailboatdata, Craigslist, anywhere i could find. I paid some for preferred listings. Take pictures that will show as much of the whole interior spaces as possible. Close ups of the range and locker ands head do nothing to paint an overall picture. Some brokers use fish eye lenses, don't do that. Those photos are awful. I can't stress enough that a clean oder free boat is essential. Keep the boat looking as though you just left not like you've walked away from a foreclosure. Take everything off and leave only the bare essentials and well organised. Then, a potential buyer will think, "the person who owned this boat was very particular" So it's either amazing condition or great pricing that will attract a buyer. Thanks, Danny Original message From: Jake Brodersen via CnC-List Date: 10/20/19 10:10 AM (GMT-05:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: captain_j...@cox.net Subject: Stus-List Boat Selling Tips Hi guys,I’ve been lurking for quite some time, but still have an interest for this great group. Having purchased a larger cruising boat last year (Bavaria 44), I have tried for over a year to sell my 1986 C&C Mk-III. I initially tried to sell it myself. I listed it on Craigslist, advertised on the FSBO web site (for sale by owner), and spread the word through my local sailors.When summer turned to fall and no action, I enlisted a reputable local broker to list my boat. After listing it on Yacht World for over a year, we have yet to have a single buyer interested enough to even come take a look at it. The boat is well equipped for racing and cruising and comes with a ton of equipment. I’ve dropped the price over $10K and still no interest. What does it take to sell a boat these days? Any suggestions would be appreciated.Thanks,Jake Brodersen1986 C&C 35 Mk-III“Midnight Mistress”Hampton VA Why Metformin Makes You Sick simplebloodsugarfix.com http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5dad023f927bc23d16best04vuc___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List The rendezvous
Great!!Who ever chose st Michaels island was right on. Great place to visit. Weather was great..until sunday.Loved seeing everyone and putting a face to the names. The museum and distillery were great. Only outdone by the gumbo!Josh will have hard work to outdo for next year. But I'm expecting good things from him.Look forward to Rendezvous 2020.Jim SchwartzSEA YA !38 landfall Washington nc Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List The rendezvous
BTW, just ordered a copy of Chesapeake Rum Runners of the Roaring Twenties from Amazon suggested by Don Wagner who I met at the rendezvous. Chuck S > On October 20, 2019 at 9:11 PM detroito91 via CnC-List > wrote: > > Great!! > Who ever chose st Michaels island was right on. Great place to visit. > Weather was great..until sunday. > Loved seeing everyone and putting a face to the names. The museum and > distillery were great. Only outdone by the gumbo! > Josh will have hard work to outdo for next year. But I'm expecting good > things from him. > Look forward to Rendezvous 2020. > Jim Schwartz > SEA YA ! > 38 landfall > Washington nc > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
