Re: Stus-List Raymarine to octopus drive upgrade - UPDATE

[Dave S via CnC-List]

Had an exchange (after some effort) with the folks at octopus drives and here’s 
the result:



>> 
>>  
>> The boat is a 1985 C&c 33 mkii, and it displaces around 10,000 lbs.  it is 
>> currently fitted with a 2015 Raymarine ev100 wheelpilot system.  This system 
>> includes a control unit - the acu-100 - which can provide 7A of current to a 
>> drive unit.  the acu-100 has provision for a rudder position sensor, but one 
>> is not currently installed.   It does not have electrical connections for a 
>> clutch.
>> I am not happy with the wheel drive for a variety of reasons and would like 
>> to install a below-deck linear drive. 
>> Unfortunately, Most larger and especially hydraulic drives require more than 
>> the 7A current available from the ev-100, meaning I would have to upgrade to 
>> a larger unit (acu) in addition to acquiring the drive itself and hardware.
>>  
>> It appears however that the octopus RS drive is designed more or less for 
>> this sort of application, though I do have some questions and have been 
>> unable to find consistent application information.
>>  
>> -Is this drive compatible with the Raymarine system described above?
>> No it is not, I believe the EV100 does not have a solenoid/clutch output.. 
>> though the 7A max is no problem the EV200 would be the minimum requirement
>> -how does the clutch engage/disengage electrically?  Would assume 12v either 
>> engages or disengages the clutch, and this could be accomplished with a 
>> switch if necessary.
>> Engaged and disengaged by the ECU  
>> Is it even necessary given the “joggle the wheel” clutch disengagement 
>> feature of the RS drive?  (You could have the clutch engaged by the motor 
>> voltage, then disengage manually in the absence of that voltage, if I 
>> understand correctly)
>> It still requires a joggle of the wheel to disengage the pin activated by 
>> the solenoid
>> - is this the drive your experts would recommend for this application?   Is 
>> there a better option?
>> This is the preferred drive for smaller displacement sailboats due to its 
>> lower amp draw and less wheel resistance compared to the hydraulic linear 
>> drives
>> -Any other advice?
>> Upgrade to a EV200 or any other pilot with clutch/solenoid output
>> 
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Stus-List Gargantuan Power Boat

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Does anyone who has gone to the Sailboat Show know anything about the huge
boat in front of the Annapolis Yacht Club? You cannot even see the club
behind it!

Bill Coleman
Erie PA
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Re: Stus-List Gargantuan Power Boat

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I was gonna go to the show but with everything FLOODED I'm reconsidering.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 12:31 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Does anyone who has gone to the Sailboat Show know anything about the huge
> boat in front of the Annapolis Yacht Club? You cannot even see the club
> behind it!
>
> Bill Coleman
> Erie PA
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Re: Stus-List Gargantuan Power Boat

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

The floating dock area is fine

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661


From: CnC-List  on behalf of Josh Muckley via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:41 PM
To: C&C List
Cc: Josh Muckley
Subject: Re: Stus-List Gargantuan Power Boat

I was gonna go to the show but with everything FLOODED I'm reconsidering.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 12:31 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Does anyone who has gone to the Sailboat Show know anything about the huge boat 
in front of the Annapolis Yacht Club? You cannot even see the club behind it!

Bill Coleman
Erie PA
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Stus-List Andrew Burton - Urine

[Robert Gallagher via CnC-List]

Seems Andrew Burton got some good mention on the UTOOB !  Don't pee over
the side...hell if it's rough I just pee in a cockpit scupper, but I have
good aim.
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Re: Stus-List Gargantuan Power Boat

[Bill Coleman via CnC-List]

Yes, I don't think the oceans are rising that fast! That area where they
drop you off with the buses, front Street or something like that, really
had a lot of water yesterday around 6, It probably is settling from fill
dumpeded in there 300 years ago!

Bill

On Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 12:43 PM Neil Andersen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> The floating dock area is fine
>
> Neil Andersen
> 20691 Jamieson Rd
> Rock Hall, MD 21661
>
> --
> *From:* CnC-List  on behalf of Josh
> Muckley via CnC-List 
> *Sent:* Saturday, October 12, 2019 12:41 PM
> *To:* C&C List
> *Cc:* Josh Muckley
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Gargantuan Power Boat
>
> I was gonna go to the show but with everything FLOODED I'm reconsidering.
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
>
> On Sat, Oct 12, 2019, 12:31 PM Bill Coleman via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> Does anyone who has gone to the Sailboat Show know anything about the
>> huge boat in front of the Annapolis Yacht Club? You cannot even see the
>> club behind it!
>>
>> Bill Coleman
>> Erie PA
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine to octopus drive upgrade - UPDATE

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Dave,

Interested why you feel the current unit needs to be replaced. We put the ray 
system you have on Perception our 33-ll 3 years ago when we upgraded our 
electronics so far it’s performed as well as the Navico wheel pilot it 
replaced, and as Dennis has said they work well! With our short season I could 
not justify the expense and effort to put in the octopus unit, which I really 
wanted to use.

Used the saved funds towards the rest of the electronics upgrade.

Paul

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Dave S via CnC-List 

Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 11:13:56 AM
To: C&c Stus List 
Cc: Dave S 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine to octopus drive upgrade - UPDATE

Had an exchange (after some effort) with the folks at octopus drives and here’s 
the result:





The boat is a 1985 C&c 33 mkii, and it displaces around 10,000 lbs.  it is 
currently fitted with a 2015 Raymarine ev100 wheelpilot system.  This system 
includes a control unit - the acu-100 - which can provide 7A of current to a 
drive unit.  the acu-100 has provision for a rudder position sensor, but one is 
not currently installed.   It does not have electrical connections for a clutch.
I am not happy with the wheel drive for a variety of reasons and would like to 
install a below-deck linear drive.
Unfortunately, Most larger and especially hydraulic drives require more than 
the 7A current available from the ev-100, meaning I would have to upgrade to a 
larger unit (acu) in addition to acquiring the drive itself and hardware.

It appears however that the octopus RS drive is designed more or less for this 
sort of application, though I do have some questions and have been unable to 
find consistent application information.

-Is this drive compatible with the Raymarine system described above?
No it is not, I believe the EV100 does not have a solenoid/clutch output.. 
though the 7A max is no problem the EV200 would be the minimum requirement
-how does the clutch engage/disengage electrically?  Would assume 12v either 
engages or disengages the clutch, and this could be accomplished with a switch 
if necessary.
Engaged and disengaged by the ECU
Is it even necessary given the “joggle the wheel” clutch disengagement feature 
of the RS drive?  (You could have the clutch engaged by the motor voltage, then 
disengage manually in the absence of that voltage, if I understand correctly)
It still requires a joggle of the wheel to disengage the pin activated by the 
solenoid
- is this the drive your experts would recommend for this application?   Is 
there a better option?
This is the preferred drive for smaller displacement sailboats due to its lower 
amp draw and less wheel resistance compared to the hydraulic linear drives
-Any other advice?
Upgrade to a EV200 or any other pilot with clutch/solenoid output

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Stus-List Arid bilge/Dry bilge alternative

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I always hate the remaining water left in the bilge after the pump looses
suction.  I have been interested in 2 different professional systems for
some time but the price was just not easy to justify.  I recently found an
article on a Catalina forum that purported to be cheap and functional so I
decided to give it a try.  I built it and tested it with a bucket of
water.  Here's the video.

https://youtu.be/mEFCPYiqdbg

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List C&C Lister Roll Call

[Michael Brannon via CnC-List]

Mike Brannon / Virginia Lee / C&C 36 MK1 CB / 1978 / 93297 / Virginia Beach, VA

Mike Brannon
Virginia Lee 93295
C&C 36 CB
Virginia Beach, VA


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Stus-List Sea level going up

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Had to walk through floods at boat show yesterday.  In Rock Hall now and 
flooded here too!   Joe
Coquina
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 12, 2019, at 18:29, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> I always hate the remaining water left in the bilge after the pump looses 
> suction.  I have been interested in 2 different professional systems for some 
> time but the price was just not easy to justify.  I recently found an article 
> on a Catalina forum that purported to be cheap and functional so I decided to 
> give it a try.  I built it and tested it with a bucket of water.  Here's the 
> video.
> 
> https://youtu.be/mEFCPYiqdbg
> 
> Josh Muckley 
> S/V Sea Hawk 
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD 
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine to octopus drive upgrade - UPDATE

[Dave via CnC-List]

It’s a fair question as the wheelpilot works fine in gentle conditions.
I generally sail singlehanded and sometimes in rough or breezy conditions it 
unlatches or partially unlatches itself.  This has been quite a surprise a few 
times, not always a safe one.Have read that many owners rig a bungee cord 
to hold the latch closed.  
I realize it can be adjusted though the plastic bits and means of adjustment 
seem really Marginal to me.   maybe I haven’t spent enough time playing with it.
I don’t like the motor noise.  (Lol)
I’m hoping the drive will be faster, which would help a bit off the wind in 
rougher conditions, which is also when it unlatches.  Again to be fair I 
sometimes carry quite a bit of sail, part of the fun for me.
I guess in the end it doesn’t seem as bulletproof or effective  as the other 
work or upgrades I’ve done, (which, to your point, come at a price) and I don’t 
quite trust it.  
It it fails and I’m solo that would be a real nuisance for me, and I’m 
progressing through longer passages in more challenging conditions as I learn.
I welcome any comments or suggestions.
Dave

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 12, 2019, at 6:13 PM, Paul Fountain  wrote:
> 
> Dave,
> 
> Interested why you feel the current unit needs to be replaced. We put the ray 
> system you have on Perception our 33-ll 3 years ago when we upgraded our 
> electronics so far it’s performed as well as the Navico wheel pilot it 
> replaced, and as Dennis has said they work well! With our short season I 
> could not justify the expense and effort to put in the octopus unit, which I 
> really wanted to use.
> 
> Used the saved funds towards the rest of the electronics upgrade. 
> 
> Paul
> From: CnC-List  on behalf of Dave S via 
> CnC-List 
> Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2019 11:13:56 AM
> To: C&c Stus List 
> Cc: Dave S 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Raymarine to octopus drive upgrade - UPDATE
>  
> Had an exchange (after some effort) with the folks at octopus drives and 
> here’s the result:
> 
> 
> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> The boat is a 1985 C&c 33 mkii, and it displaces around 10,000 lbs.  it is 
>>> currently fitted with a 2015 Raymarine ev100 wheelpilot system.  This 
>>> system includes a control unit - the acu-100 - which can provide 7A of 
>>> current to a drive unit.  the acu-100 has provision for a rudder position 
>>> sensor, but one is not currently installed.   It does not have electrical 
>>> connections for a clutch.
>>> I am not happy with the wheel drive for a variety of reasons and would like 
>>> to install a below-deck linear drive. 
>>> Unfortunately, Most larger and especially hydraulic drives require more 
>>> than the 7A current available from the ev-100, meaning I would have to 
>>> upgrade to a larger unit (acu) in addition to acquiring the drive itself 
>>> and hardware.
>>>  
>>> It appears however that the octopus RS drive is designed more or less for 
>>> this sort of application, though I do have some questions and have been 
>>> unable to find consistent application information.
>>>  
>>> -Is this drive compatible with the Raymarine system described above?
>>> No it is not, I believe the EV100 does not have a solenoid/clutch output.. 
>>> though the 7A max is no problem the EV200 would be the minimum requirement
>>> -how does the clutch engage/disengage electrically?  Would assume 12v 
>>> either engages or disengages the clutch, and this could be accomplished 
>>> with a switch if necessary.
>>> Engaged and disengaged by the ECU  
>>> Is it even necessary given the “joggle the wheel” clutch disengagement 
>>> feature of the RS drive?  (You could have the clutch engaged by the motor 
>>> voltage, then disengage manually in the absence of that voltage, if I 
>>> understand correctly)
>>> It still requires a joggle of the wheel to disengage the pin activated by 
>>> the solenoid
>>> - is this the drive your experts would recommend for this application?   Is 
>>> there a better option?
>>> This is the preferred drive for smaller displacement sailboats due to its 
>>> lower amp draw and less wheel resistance compared to the hydraulic linear 
>>> drives
>>> -Any other advice?
>>> Upgrade to a EV200 or any other pilot with clutch/solenoid output
>>> 
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Re: Stus-List Raymarine to octopus drive upgrade - UPDATE

[Bradley Lumgair via CnC-List]

Hello Dave
I am following with interest as you work through this, I also have the 33/2 and 
the EV100 wheel, which I am NOT happy with. It doesn’t steer in less than ideal 
conditions and has taken to skipping recently, at very least I need to tear the 
drive apart and see what’s going on. Last winter at the TO boat show the 
Ray-rep suggested all I needed was to upgrade the software, which I can’t seem 
to do through my smart phone and chart plotter for some reason.
Thanks for keeping us updated
Brad
Pulse C&C 33/2
Lake Huron 
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Re: Stus-List Sea level going up

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

Floods done tonight. All normal tomorrow. Check water.weather.gov for forecast 
levels. 

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI 
USA 02842

+401 965 5260
https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/



> On Oct 12, 2019, at 18:35, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Had to walk through floods at boat show yesterday.  In Rock Hall now and 
> flooded here too!   Joe
> Coquina
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 12, 2019, at 18:29, Josh Muckley via CnC-List  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I always hate the remaining water left in the bilge after the pump looses 
>> suction.  I have been interested in 2 different professional systems for 
>> some time but the price was just not easy to justify.  I recently found an 
>> article on a Catalina forum that purported to be cheap and functional so I 
>> decided to give it a try.  I built it and tested it with a bucket of water.  
>> Here's the video.
>> 
>> https://youtu.be/mEFCPYiqdbg
>> 
>> Josh Muckley 
>> S/V Sea Hawk 
>> 1989 C&C 37+
>> Solomons, MD 
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Re: Stus-List Sea level going up

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

Crazy today ! Most of booths by dock forced to close  around 3:30 no access !

John Conklin
S/V Halcyon

On Oct 12, 2019, at 8:00 PM, Andrew Burton via CnC-List  
wrote:

 Floods done tonight. All normal tomorrow. Check 
water.weather.gov for forecast levels.

Andrew Burton
139 Tuckerman Ave
Middletown, RI
USA 02842

+401 965 5260
https://sites.google.com/site/andrewburtonyachtservices/



On Oct 12, 2019, at 18:35, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


Had to walk through floods at boat show yesterday.  In Rock Hall now and 
flooded here too!   Joe
Coquina
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 12, 2019, at 18:29, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:


I always hate the remaining water left in the bilge after the pump looses 
suction.  I have been interested in 2 different professional systems for some 
time but the price was just not easy to justify.  I recently found an article 
on a Catalina forum that purported to be cheap and functional so I decided to 
give it a try.  I built it and tested it with a bucket of water.  Here's the 
video.

https://youtu.be/mEFCPYiqdbg

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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