Stus-List Radar Reflector
Just finished a sail on Saturday p.m., started the motor and was standing in the cockpit with my back facing the bow when I heard a loud noise, what sounded like a 12 gauge gun go off behind me..felt something hit me in the back, turned around and saw 5 - 6 square pieces of aluminum on the deck and on the cockpit sole.scared the heck out of me.for a moment, had no idea what had just happened. Looked up to check things aloft and noticed my radar reflector (cylinder shaped) which I had attached to my lower shroud with four (4) zip ties (2 each top and bottom)..had been doing that for a dozen years with no issuesand it was goneall gonenothing left attached to the shroud.not the two black end pieces of the reflector or any of the 4 plastic zip ties.only thing(s) that remained were 6 pieces of the aluminum from inside the reflector that fell down.the rest must of went overboard. I have never heard of this happening, ever..the radar reflector simply exploded. And it was not full of water which might have expanded because some years ago when I took it off the boat in the Fall, there was a little water in it so I drilled a 3/16" hole in one side which always then became the 'bottom' when attaching to the shroud in the Spring. Has this ever happened to anyone else? Can anyone explain how a cylinder type radar reflector can explode like mine did? Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Radar Reflector
Any of your neighbors doing some target practice with their 12-gauge shotgun? :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( > On May 21, 2018, at 8:46 AM, robert via CnC-List > wrote: > > Just finished a sail on Saturday p.m., started the motor and was standing in > the cockpit with my back facing the bow when I heard a loud noise, what > sounded like a 12 gauge gun go off behind me..felt something hit me in > the back, turned around and saw 5 - 6 square pieces of aluminum on the deck > and on the cockpit sole.scared the heck out of me.for a moment, had > no idea what had just happened. > > Looked up to check things aloft and noticed my radar reflector (cylinder > shaped) which I had attached to my lower shroud with four (4) zip ties (2 > each top and bottom)..had been doing that for a dozen years with no > issuesand it was goneall gonenothing left attached to the > shroud.not the two black end pieces of the reflector or any of the 4 > plastic zip ties.only thing(s) that remained were 6 pieces of the > aluminum from inside the reflector that fell down.the rest must of went > overboard. > > I have never heard of this happening, ever..the radar reflector simply > exploded.And it was not full of water which might have expanded because > some years ago when I took it off the boat in the Fall, there was a little > water in it so I drilled a 3/16" hole in one side which always then became > the 'bottom' when attaching to the shroud in the Spring. > > Has this ever happened to anyone else? > > Can anyone explain how a cylinder type radar reflector can explode like mine > did? > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Stus-List Radar Reflector
That is a possibility, but not a probably.the reflector was on the lower port shroudthere was no one in front of or behind me and no sign of anything that might have hit the mast or either the port or starboard side. But that is what one of my marina neighbors suggested in jest!!! Rob On 2018-05-21 10:50 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: Any of your neighbors doing some target practice with their 12-gauge shotgun? :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On May 21, 2018, at 8:46 AM, robert via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Just finished a sail on Saturday p.m., started the motor and was standing in the cockpit with my back facing the bow when I heard a loud noise, what sounded like a 12 gauge gun go off behind me..felt something hit me in the back, turned around and saw 5 - 6 square pieces of aluminum on the deck and on the cockpit sole.scared the heck out of me.for a moment, had no idea what had just happened. Looked up to check things aloft and noticed my radar reflector (cylinder shaped) which I had attached to my lower shroud with four (4) zip ties (2 each top and bottom)..had been doing that for a dozen years with no issuesand it was goneall gonenothing left attached to the shroud.not the two black end pieces of the reflector or any of the 4 plastic zip ties.only thing(s) that remained were 6 pieces of the aluminum from inside the reflector that fell down.the rest must of went overboard. I have never heard of this happening, ever..the radar reflector simply exploded. And it was not full of water which might have expanded because some years ago when I took it off the boat in the Fall, there was a little water in it so I drilled a 3/16" hole in one side which always then became the 'bottom' when attaching to the shroud in the Spring. Has this ever happened to anyone else? Can anyone explain how a cylinder type radar reflector can explode like mine did? Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Larzarette Opening Modification on C&C 29 mk 2
Thanks, that's exactly what I ended up doing and I didn't even have to hack into the tank as the sheet metal was held together with screws. I then only had to get to 13 and 5/8 inches so that only required taking of about 1/8 inch from either side which had plenty of lip to spare. The new West Marine is less tall and more stout, so it takes up a bit more room in the locker. Sadly, I'm also less tall and more stout, so we are competing for space when I squeeze down there (mainly to access the stuffing box). Thanks, Gene Fodor Hawk C&C 29 - 2 On Sun, May 20, 2018 at 8:39 AM, robert wrote: > Eugene, > > If I am not mistake, the Raritan water heater can be disassemblede.g. > the outer aluminum casing can be taken apart for easier removal from the > lazarette.or just get sawzall and cut it up in a few minutes.a club > member removed his that way with little effort. > > Can't help with the new West Marine rectangular box..maybe it comes > apart also and can be reassembled in the lazarette or maybe you have to > open the lazarette to make it fit. > > Rob Abbott > AZURA > C&C 32 - 84 > Halifax, N.S. > > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Radar Reflector
Besides for everything else, those "reflectors" don't actually do anything involving reflecting radar. Joe Coquina C&C 35 MK I On 5/21/2018 10:14 AM, robert via CnC-List wrote: That is a possibility, but not a probably.the reflector was on the lower port shroudthere was no one in front of or behind me and no sign of anything that might have hit the mast or either the port or starboard side. But that is what one of my marina neighbors suggested in jest!!! Rob On 2018-05-21 10:50 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: Any of your neighbors doing some target practice with their 12-gauge shotgun? :^) Fred Street -- Minneapolis S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( On May 21, 2018, at 8:46 AM, robert via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote: Just finished a sail on Saturday p.m., started the motor and was standing in the cockpit with my back facing the bow when I heard a loud noise, what sounded like a 12 gauge gun go off behind me..felt something hit me in the back, turned around and saw 5 - 6 square pieces of aluminum on the deck and on the cockpit sole.scared the heck out of me.for a moment, had no idea what had just happened. Looked up to check things aloft and noticed my radar reflector (cylinder shaped) which I had attached to my lower shroud with four (4) zip ties (2 each top and bottom)..had been doing that for a dozen years with no issuesand it was goneall gonenothing left attached to the shroud.not the two black end pieces of the reflector or any of the 4 plastic zip ties.only thing(s) that remained were 6 pieces of the aluminum from inside the reflector that fell down.the rest must of went overboard. I have never heard of this happening, ever..the radar reflector simply exploded. And it was not full of water which might have expanded because some years ago when I took it off the boat in the Fall, there was a little water in it so I drilled a 3/16" hole in one side which always then became the 'bottom' when attaching to the shroud in the Spring. Has this ever happened to anyone else? Can anyone explain how a cylinder type radar reflector can explode like mine did? Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution --https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 30-2, Rod rigging tension and rake.
I had that happen when my wooden mast step started bowing; shrouds got looser.Replaced the step (it was epoxied oak) with an oily Mexican wood called "paela" (sp?). Extremely dense, and a bear to cut; wouldn't float. Also placed a third support between the other two to, hopefully, prevent a similar occurrence.RonWild CheriC&C 30-1STL On Saturday, May 19, 2018, 5:34:33 PM CDT, Chad Osmond via CnC-List wrote: Hi all, our 30-2 is due to splash in a week, and this is the second full season for us owning it, and it's our first boat, so I'm full of questions. Originally, a rigger helping us move our boat mentioned he thought the rigging was too loose and could use a few turns to tighten it up, so we tightened across the board a few turns. This year, I plan on using the Selden method, of attaching a dowel 2M up from the turnbuckles and measuring the stretch in the rods and backstays to get a better idea of tension, but I'm afraid that I may run out of turnbuckle length, we were very close to bottoming out the turnbuckles last year, and we still had floppy lowers at 15 knots close hauled. Is this rod stretch? fiberglass creeping? Our chain plates are in excellent condition, so it doesn't seem to be anything related to rot in the plates. Could the core / aft placement of the mast chocks cause this? How does one position the mast using the chocks? Equal amounts of space in the deck opening? level mast (level to what?) Also, does anyone know the suggested rake for a 30-2? Thanks,Chad ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 30-2, Rod rigging tension and rake.
You're not going to appreciably change the rake without shortening/lengthening the forestay and then you'll have to change the placement of the mast shoe on the mast step since the mast will pivot at the partners (deck penetration). The chain plates can look fine but their attachment to the knees and the knees attachment to the hull can be compromised. Have you checked? I think Ron is probably on to it with the possibility of a determining mast step. Many many owners have posed various repairs and replacement techniques. I would avoid using any form of wood. Mine is an aluminum beam from the factory. It could be manufactured pretty easily by a machinist or welder. If I had to do it myself I would use multiple layers of G10 FRP. Be careful to retain the same fore/aft and side to side placement of the mast shoe. You should be able to inspect the step for deterioration by pulling the floor boards and then use a straightedge to determine step depression. Josh Muckley S/V Sea Hawk 1989 C&C 37+ Solomons, MD On Sat, May 19, 2018, 6:34 PM Chad Osmond via CnC-List < cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote: > Hi all, our 30-2 is due to splash in a week, and this is the second full > season for us owning it, and it's our first boat, so I'm full of questions. > > Originally, a rigger helping us move our boat mentioned he thought the > rigging was too loose and could use a few turns to tighten it up, so we > tightened across the board a few turns. > > This year, I plan on using the Selden method, of attaching a dowel 2M up > from the turnbuckles and measuring the stretch in the rods and backstays to > get a better idea of tension, but I'm afraid that I may run out of > turnbuckle length, we were very close to bottoming out the turnbuckles last > year, and we still had floppy lowers at 15 knots close hauled. > > > Is this rod stretch? fiberglass creeping? Our chain plates are in > excellent condition, so it doesn't seem to be anything related to rot in > the plates. > > Could the core / aft placement of the mast chocks cause this? How does one > position the mast using the chocks? Equal amounts of space in the deck > opening? level mast (level to what?) > > Also, does anyone know the suggested rake for a 30-2? > > > Thanks, > Chad > > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each > and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - > use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Radar Reflector
Joe I was going to say the same. Years ago Practical Sailor tested radar reflectors and those type tested poorly. Consider it a blessing now you can get a proper one. Mike PERSUASION C&C 37 K/CB Long Sault > On May 21, 2018, at 11:27 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List > wrote: > > Besides for everything else, those "reflectors" don't actually do anything > involving reflecting radar. > > Joe > > Coquina > > C&C 35 MK I > >> On 5/21/2018 10:14 AM, robert via CnC-List wrote: >> That is a possibility, but not a probably.the reflector was on the lower >> port shroudthere was no one in front of or behind me and no sign of >> anything that might have hit the mast or either the port or starboard side. >> >> But that is what one of my marina neighbors suggested in jest!!! >> >> Rob >> >>> On 2018-05-21 10:50 AM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List wrote: >>> Any of your neighbors doing some target practice with their 12-gauge >>> shotgun? :^) >>> >>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis >>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI :^( >>> On May 21, 2018, at 8:46 AM, robert via CnC-List wrote: Just finished a sail on Saturday p.m., started the motor and was standing in the cockpit with my back facing the bow when I heard a loud noise, what sounded like a 12 gauge gun go off behind me..felt something hit me in the back, turned around and saw 5 - 6 square pieces of aluminum on the deck and on the cockpit sole.scared the heck out of me.for a moment, had no idea what had just happened. Looked up to check things aloft and noticed my radar reflector (cylinder shaped) which I had attached to my lower shroud with four (4) zip ties (2 each top and bottom)..had been doing that for a dozen years with no issuesand it was goneall gonenothing left attached to the shroud.not the two black end pieces of the reflector or any of the 4 plastic zip ties.only thing(s) that remained were 6 pieces of the aluminum from inside the reflector that fell down.the rest must of went overboard. I have never heard of this happening, ever..the radar reflector simply exploded.And it was not full of water which might have expanded because some years ago when I took it off the boat in the Fall, there was a little water in it so I drilled a 3/16" hole in one side which always then became the 'bottom' when attaching to the shroud in the Spring. Has this ever happened to anyone else? Can anyone explain how a cylinder type radar reflector can explode like mine did? Rob Abbott AZURA C&C 32 - 84 Halifax, N.S. >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> >>> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >>> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >>> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >>> >> >> >> >> ___ >> >> Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and >> every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use >> PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray >> > > ___ > > Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and > every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use > PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Reading lines
The sail area on your LF39 is actually slightly less than the sail area on my 38-2 – and your main is smaller than mine because of the center cockpit. FWIW, all of my reefing lines are 3/8” diameter – Sta-Set if I recall correctly. Rick Brass Washington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of svrebeccaleah via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 6:53 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: svrebeccaleah Subject: Stus-List Reading lines Looking for advice. I need to replace the main reefing lines on my LF39. Currently I have for #1 reef pt is a 9/16 line and #2 &3 are 1/2 line, not sure of line type. Want something thinner and lighter. I don't race, just go cruising. Plan on a lot of offshore in near future. What are your expert opinions? Doug Mountjoy POYC Rebecca Leah Lf39 ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List Reading lines
Thanks to all for the info on my reading lines. Reefing lines. Stupid spell check. Doug Mountjoy Rebecca Leah LF39 POYC, WA. Original message From: Rick Brass via CnC-List Date: 5/21/18 15:32 (GMT-08:00) To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Rick Brass Subject: Re: Stus-List Reading lines The sail area on your LF39 is actually slightly less than the sail area on my 38-2 – and your main is smaller than mine because of the center cockpit. FWIW, all of my reefing lines are 3/8” diameter – Sta-Set if I recall correctly. Rick BrassWashington, NC From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of svrebeccaleah via CnC-List Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2018 6:53 PM To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: svrebeccaleah Subject: Stus-List Reading lines Looking for advice. I need to replace the main reefing lines on my LF39. Currently I have for #1 reef pt is a 9/16 line and #2 &3 are 1/2 line, not sure of line type. Want something thinner and lighter. I don't race, just go cruising. Plan on a lot of offshore in near future. What are your expert opinions? Doug Mountjoy POYC Rebecca Leah Lf39___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 30-2, Rod rigging tension and rake.
I'll take a look at the mast shoe, I'm not sure what the 30-2 mast step is made from, but it did seem a lot easier to access the the 30-1 photos I've seen. > ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
Re: Stus-List 30-2, Rod rigging tension and rake.
Chad, The mast step on our 30-2 is aluminum, I would imagine that was the standard from the factory. On mine, I have a good amount of room on the turnbuckles for the larger rod, but the smaller rod is getting closer. I would think that one stretches a bit more with the smaller diameter rod. One thing I have noticed with the rod is that once it gets tight, the tension changes rapidly, a 1/4 turn can move the needle on my Loos gauge, so you might have more adjustment left than you think. I struggled with how to adjust my rig until I borrowed the right Loos gauge from a list member and then bought one when I figured out what a difference it made. I wish they were cheaper, but there is no real substitute. There was one on eBay recently, so they do show up there once in a while. Jim ReinardyC&C 30-2 “Firewater”Milwaukee, WI Get Outlook for iOS On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 9:25 PM -0500, "Chad Osmond via CnC-List" wrote: I'll take a look at the mast shoe, I'm not sure what the 30-2 mast step is made from, but it did seem a lot easier to access the the 30-1 photos I've seen. ___ Thanks everyone for supporting this list with your contributions. Each and every one is greatly appreciated. If you want to support the list - use PayPal to send contribution -- https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
