Re: Stus-List New lines and hayalards

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

StaSet X has a different construction than a basic polyester double braid like 
XLE or StaSet.  The core of StaSetX is not braided but instead has parallel 
orientation of core fibers inside a polyester sleeve.  This construction allows 
for a higher tensile strength and less elongation under tension at the expense 
of better flexibility and twisting characteristics.   New StaSetX has a  
tendency to want to remain coiled or twisted when it comes off a winch which is 
one reason that it rarely is used for sheets and control lines requiring 
regular adjustments.  That said, it is the strongest construction for a 
polyester rope on a boat and if you are comfortable splicing it, it works well 
as a halyard.
https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/document.do?docId=930
Another difference is that StaSet X adds spun polyester fibers in the cover 
construction, which ostensibly makes the rope softer to the touch and a bit 
grippier in clutches.  My experience is that the cover tends to get fuzzy and 
picks up dirt and debris more readily as well as lacking abrasion resistance 
compared to filament cover yarns.  
As with most products, there are pluses and minuses.  Weighing cost vs 
performance is a wise practice.  As previously mentioned, some newer high tech 
and mid tech lines allow you to go down in size, but make sure the smaller size 
will grip properly in self tailers and your rope clutches.
If you are looking for Pre-made halyards and want to expand your search online, 
look at Defender Industries, APS, R&W Rope, Mauri Pro Sailing, Jamestown 
Distributors, and Torresen Marine.
Chuck Gilchrest 
S/V Half Magic
1983 35 Landfall 
Padanaram MA
Sent from my iPhone

> On May 14, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I'm hoping Chuck or others can chime in on this - At Cajun Ropes, they show 
> the XLE for halyards, and have a reasonable price for the halyards pre-made.  
> How does the XLE compare with New England Ropes Sta-Set X as far as 
> elongation and the feel is concerned?
> 
> I find the Sta-Set X to be stiff, though not untenable on our boat currently. 
> 
> If you would recommend the Argus, do you know someone who would premake the 
> halyards to the length I want at a reasonably low price?  
> 
> Thanks! 
>  
> Bruce Whitmore
> 
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> 1994 C&C 37/40+ "Astralis"
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
> 
> 
> From: Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Chuck Gilchrest 
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2018 8:02 AM
> Subject: Re: Stus-List New lines and hayalards
> 
> Cajun uses Novabraid Rope for their sheets and Halyards. Novabraid makes a 
> blended Spectra core rope called Argus that is less stretchy than polyester 
> double braid.  It’s what I use for halyards on Half Magic.  XLE is my choice 
> for jib sheets and Novalite HP for Spinnaker Sheets.  All Canadian made too!
> Full disclosure, I work for Novatec Braids Ltd in marketing and product 
> development...
> 
> Chuck Gilchrest 
> Half Magic
> 1983 35 Landfall 
> Padanaram MA
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 11, 2018, at 7:26 AM, ROD STRIGHT via CnC-List 
>>  wrote:
>> 
> 
> Check out Cajun Ropes in Yarmouth.
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of T power 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: January 11, 2018 7:30 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: T power 
> Subject: Stus-List New lines and hayalards
>  
> Hello everyone,
>  
> I'm thinking of replacing all of the sheets and halyards on Invictus, hoping 
> for some insight. 
>  
> Dennis of Touche posted a note about color designation that I thought was 
> interesting but I forgot to copy it.
>  
> Looking for recommendations of size type and color of lines and halyards for 
> a cruising sailboat that may enter a fun club race once in a while.
>  
> Thanks for any help,
>  
> Cheers.
>  
> Tom Power
> Invictus
> C&C 30 MK1
> Fredericton, NB
> 
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

I have the wire to rope sheaves on my  main and spin halyard 1982 C&C 37
Alsoa rookie here and no idea on size or material for my
Topping lift, Genoa sheets, spin halyard 
Lack of use by previous owner have most of them firm swollen and stiff and 
green !:( lol 
Would like to change out genoa sheets,  spin halyard (wire to rope) mainsheet, 
and traveler to start. 
Will race her a little but plans are ( for now) to only have this beauty for a 
few years so dont want to go too crazy
Thanks all!!

John
S/V Halcyon

John Conklin


> On May 14, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> If your boat still has the right sheaves, then wire and rope combination 
> halyards are still a viable  option. There is very little stretch and 
> polyester has the best hand in my opinion. No issues to speak of with eye 
> splices either. Also relatively low cost. 
> 
> Steve Thomas
> 
> C&C36
> Merritt Island, FL
> 
> C&C27 MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
> 
>  Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List  wrote: 
> Hello all,
> We have a 1994 C&C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The 
> halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the core 
> is showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current halyards are 
> Sta-Set X.
> We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't mean 
> I want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.  
> 
> On my last boat (a C&C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or so, 
> and didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in the 
> clutches as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the line is 
> old...
> I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.
> 
> What do you recommend for halyards and why?
> Thanks!  
>  Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C&C 37/40+ "Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL 34677
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
> 
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Re: Stus-List Barient winch parts

[John Conklin via CnC-List]

And what do i replace my stiff dried out old blue top jaw barient with new 
jaws/ top section,  or just go for whole winch ( main halyard) at this point ?
Also no clutches is this a big deal to add? And should I bother or stick with 
the ole jam cleat ? Thanks

john c
s/v Halcyon 

John Conklin


> On May 14, 2018, at 12:20 PM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> I believe ARCO and the Australian Yacht Winch Co. may be one in the same. 
> They now also go by Hutton.
> 
> I also purchased a pair of self-tailing jaws.  The first one was lost 
> clearing Customs and is probably sitting in a warehouse in California. 
> Customs and the Post Office pointed fingers about who was to blame.  The 
> replacement package arrived no problem.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Steve Thomas via CnC-List
> Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 12:13 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Steve Thomas
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient winch parts
> 
> 
> I got a pair of self tailing "jaws" from these guys. Shipped through the 
> post, which was not cheap or fast, but they did get here and no one else had 
> what I needed.
> 
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> 
> Steve Thomas
> 
> C&C36
> Merritt Island, FL
> 
> C&C27 MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
> 
> 
>  svrebeccaleah via CnC-List  wrote:
> In cleaning and lubing my barient winches I found one with the self tailer 
> tension screws broken. Does any one know where the might be found? I need 
> minimum 2 screws and 2 springs for a 21ST. I haven't checked to see if they 
> are the same size on all of my winches.
> 
> 
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Re: Stus-List Barient winch parts

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

John,

You can replace the rubber ring.  Barton makes them.

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 8:07 AM John Conklin via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> And what do i replace my stiff dried out old blue top jaw barient with new
> jaws/ top section,  or just go for whole winch ( main halyard) at this
> point ?
> Also no clutches is this a big deal to add? And should I bother or stick
> with the ole jam cleat ? Thanks
>
> john c
> s/v Halcyon
>
> John Conklin
>
>
> > On May 14, 2018, at 12:20 PM, Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> >
> > I believe ARCO and the Australian Yacht Winch Co. may be one in the
> same. They now also go by Hutton.
> >
> > I also purchased a pair of self-tailing jaws.  The first one was lost
> clearing Customs and is probably sitting in a warehouse in California.
> Customs and the Post Office pointed fingers about who was to blame.  The
> replacement package arrived no problem.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Steve Thomas via CnC-List
> > Sent: Monday, May 14, 2018 12:13 PM
> > To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> > Cc: Steve Thomas
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Barient winch parts
> >
> >
> > I got a pair of self tailing "jaws" from these guys. Shipped through the
> post, which was not cheap or fast, but they did get here and no one else
> had what I needed.
> >
> >
> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.arco-winches.com%2Fproducts%2Fspares&data=02%7C01%7C%7Cc41b203f321a46ea3d3608d5b9b6a5a1%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636619116467885530&sdata=Ay6mKRx5eWjfYb8XXt8CS67CbUkGx9fhXdY%2BQ8Nioac%3D&reserved=0
> >
> > Steve Thomas
> >
> > C&C36
> > Merritt Island, FL
> >
> > C&C27 MKIII
> > Port Stanley, ON
> >
> >
> >  svrebeccaleah via CnC-List  wrote:
> > In cleaning and lubing my barient winches I found one with the self
> tailer tension screws broken. Does any one know where the might be found? I
> need minimum 2 screws and 2 springs for a 21ST. I haven't checked to see if
> they are the same size on all of my winches.
> >
> >
> > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE DeviceDoug Mountjoy POYC Rebecca Leah Lf39
> >
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Bruce,

First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.

Neil
1982 C&C32
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661

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CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 8:02:08 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Conklin
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

I have the wire to rope sheaves on my  main and spin halyard 1982 C&C 37
Alsoa rookie here and no idea on size or material for my
Topping lift, Genoa sheets, spin halyard
Lack of use by previous owner have most of them firm swollen and stiff and 
green !:( lol
Would like to change out genoa sheets,  spin halyard (wire to rope) mainsheet, 
and traveler to start.
Will race her a little but plans are ( for now) to only have this beauty for a 
few years so dont want to go too crazy
Thanks all!!

John
S/V Halcyon

John Conklin


> On May 14, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>
> If your boat still has the right sheaves, then wire and rope combination 
> halyards are still a viable  option. There is very little stretch and 
> polyester has the best hand in my opinion. No issues to speak of with eye 
> splices either. Also relatively low cost.
>
> Steve Thomas
>
> C&C36
> Merritt Island, FL
>
> C&C27 MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>  Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List  wrote:
> Hello all,
> We have a 1994 C&C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The 
> halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the core 
> is showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current halyards are 
> Sta-Set X.
> We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't mean 
> I want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.
>
> On my last boat (a C&C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or so, 
> and didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in the 
> clutches as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the line is 
> old...
> I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.
>
> What do you recommend for halyards and why?
> Thanks!
>  Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C&C 37/40+ "Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL 34677
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope because
the sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.

Is this wrong?

 

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil
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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil Andersen 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Bruce,

 

First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.

 

Neil

1982 C&C32

Rock Hall, MD

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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before
switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the
rope you want to use.

Joel

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope
> because the sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.
>
> Is this wrong?
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Neil
> Andersen via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Neil Andersen 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> Bruce,
>
>
>
> First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.
>
>
>
> Neil
>
> 1982 C&C32
>
> Rock Hall, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Many of the wire-rope sheeves are a v-groove.  While not perfect the
v-groove is designed to accommodate both wire and rope.  They can "box" the
rope over time but won't cause significant degradation or wear.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD

On Tue, May 15, 2018, 8:47 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope
> because the sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.
>
> Is this wrong?
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Neil
> Andersen via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Neil Andersen 
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> Bruce,
>
>
>
> First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.
>
>
>
> Neil
>
> 1982 C&C32
>
> Rock Hall, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List New lines and hayalards

[ALAN BERGEN via CnC-List]

I recently replaced my double braid main halyard with Sta-set X.  It was
more difficult to splice than double braid, but I was able to do a
reasonable job.  Definitely less stretch, and I'm pleased with the
results.  If you Google New England Ropes, you can download their booklet
on splicing.

Alan Bergen
35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR


On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 4:06 AM, Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> StaSet X has a different construction than a basic polyester double braid
> like XLE or StaSet.  The core of StaSetX is not braided but instead has
> parallel orientation of core fibers inside a polyester sleeve.  This
> construction allows for a higher tensile strength and less elongation under
> tension at the expense of better flexibility and twisting characteristics.
>   New StaSetX has a  tendency to want to remain coiled or twisted when it
> comes off a winch which is one reason that it rarely is used for sheets and
> control lines requiring regular adjustments.  That said, it is the
> strongest construction for a polyester rope on a boat and if you are
> comfortable splicing it, it works well as a halyard.
> https://www.jamestowndistributors.com/userportal/document.do?docId=930
> 
> Another difference is that StaSet X adds spun polyester fibers in the
> cover construction, which ostensibly makes the rope softer to the touch and
> a bit grippier in clutches.  My experience is that the cover tends to get
> fuzzy and picks up dirt and debris more readily as well as lacking abrasion
> resistance compared to filament cover yarns.
> As with most products, there are pluses and minuses.  Weighing cost vs
> performance is a wise practice.  As previously mentioned, some newer high
> tech and mid tech lines allow you to go down in size, but make sure the
> smaller size will grip properly in self tailers and your rope clutches.
> If you are looking for Pre-made halyards and want to expand your search
> online, look at Defender Industries, APS, R&W Rope, Mauri Pro Sailing,
> Jamestown Distributors, and Torresen Marine.
> Chuck Gilchrest
> S/V Half Magic
> 1983 35 Landfall
> Padanaram MA
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 14, 2018, at 12:34 PM, Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I'm hoping Chuck or others can chime in on this - At Cajun Ropes, they
> show the XLE for halyards, and have a reasonable price for the halyards
> pre-made.  How does the XLE compare with New England Ropes Sta-Set X as far
> as elongation and the feel is concerned?
>
> I find the Sta-Set X to be stiff, though not untenable on our boat
> currently.
>
> If you would recommend the Argus, do you know someone who would premake
> the halyards to the length I want at a reasonably low price?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Bruce Whitmore
>
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> 1994 C&C 37/40+ "Astralis"
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
>
>
> --
> *From:* Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List 
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Chuck Gilchrest 
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 11, 2018 8:02 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List New lines and hayalards
>
> Cajun uses Novabraid Rope for their sheets and Halyards. Novabraid makes a
> blended Spectra core rope called Argus that is less stretchy than polyester
> double braid.  It’s what I use for halyards on Half Magic.  XLE is my
> choice for jib sheets and Novalite HP for Spinnaker Sheets.  All Canadian
> made too!
> Full disclosure, I work for Novatec Braids Ltd in marketing and product
> development...
>
> Chuck Gilchrest
> Half Magic
> 1983 35 Landfall
> Padanaram MA
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 11, 2018, at 7:26 AM, ROD STRIGHT via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Check out Cajun Ropes in Yarmouth.
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *T power via CnC-List
> *Sent:* January 11, 2018 7:30 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* T power 
> *Subject:* Stus-List New lines and hayalards
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I'm thinking of replacing all of the sheets and halyards on Invictus,
> hoping for some insight.
>
> Dennis of Touche posted a note about color designation that I thought was
> interesting but I forgot to copy it.
>
> Looking for recommendations of size type and color of lines and halyards
> for a cruising sailboat that may enter a fun club race once in a while.
>
> Thanks for any help,
>
> Cheers.
>
> Tom Power
> Invictus
> C&C 30 MK1
> Fredericton, NB
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem. 

Gary

30-1

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
To: cnc-list 
Cc: Joel Aronson 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before 
switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the rope 
you want to use.

 

Joel

 

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope because the 
sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.

Is this wrong?

 

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

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 ] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  ; 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Neil Andersen mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Bruce,

 

First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.

 

Neil

1982 C&C32

Rock Hall, MD

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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Is rope suitable for furling sails that might not come down more than once a 
year?

 

Coquina

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

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Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Gary Nylander 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem. 

Gary

30-1

 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before 
switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the rope 
you want to use.

 

Joel

 

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope because the 
sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.

Is this wrong?

 

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

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 ] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via CnC-List
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cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Neil Andersen mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Bruce,

 

First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.

 

Neil

1982 C&C32

Rock Hall, MD

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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

IMO Absolutely.  But even more argument for low stretch and low slip... ie
"high tech/high performance".

Josh

On Tue, May 15, 2018, 10:12 AM Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Is rope suitable for furling sails that might not come down more than once
> a year?
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Gary
> Nylander via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:27 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Gary Nylander 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem.
>
> Gary
>
> 30-1
>
>
>
> *From:* CnC-List  *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Aronson via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
> *To:* cnc-list 
> *Cc:* Joel Aronson 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before
> switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the
> rope you want to use.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope
> because the sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.
>
> Is this wrong?
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Neil
> Andersen via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Cc:* Neil Andersen 
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> Bruce,
>
>
>
> First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.
>
>
>
> Neil
>
> 1982 C&C32
>
> Rock Hall, MD
>
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

I have raced on a couple of J-80’s and now on a C&C115. All have rope – all 
have furlers, and they don’t take anything down during the season.

Don’t see a problem.

 

Gary

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Is rope suitable for furling sails that might not come down more than once a 
year?

 

Coquina

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Gary Nylander mailto:gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem. 

Gary

30-1

 

From: CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> > On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before 
switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the rope 
you want to use.

 

Joel

 

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope because the 
sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.

Is this wrong?

 

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  ; 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Neil Andersen mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Bruce,

 

First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.

 

Neil

1982 C&C32

Rock Hall, MD

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Stus-List 37 line Recommendations?

[pete.shelquist--- via CnC-List]

John - 
Here's a reference to help you with loads.
http://www.harken.com/Calculators/ 

I race and typically go with smaller diameter lines to help them run more
smoothly.  3/8" (10mm) for almost everything except the main halyard is
7/16".  But that also means I upgrade the type of line to reduce stretch and
hopefully improve longevity.  Don't ask what type of line I bought.  It was
3 yrs ago and I don't remember.  Somewhere mid-way between the really
expensive stuff and the not as expensive stuff and within the WL of the
line. 

Pete
'84 37
  

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of John Conklin via
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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:02 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: John Conklin 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

I have the wire to rope sheaves on my  main and spin halyard 1982 C&C 37
Alsoa rookie here and no idea on size or material for my Topping lift, Genoa
sheets, spin halyard Lack of use by previous owner have most of them firm
swollen and stiff and green !:( lol Would like to change out genoa sheets,
spin halyard (wire to rope) mainsheet, and traveler to start. 
Will race her a little but plans are ( for now) to only have this beauty for
a few years so dont want to go too crazy Thanks all!!

John
S/V Halcyon

John Conklin


> On May 14, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Steve Thomas via CnC-List
 wrote:
> 
> If your boat still has the right sheaves, then wire and rope combination
halyards are still a viable  option. There is very little stretch and
polyester has the best hand in my opinion. No issues to speak of with eye
splices either. Also relatively low cost. 
> 
> Steve Thomas
> 
> C&C36
> Merritt Island, FL
> 
> C&C27 MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
> 
>  Bruce Whitmore via CnC-List  wrote: 
> Hello all,
> We have a 1994 C&C 37/40+.  We've owned the boat for about a year.  The
halyards are badly faded from the sun, and we noticed an area where the core
is showing at the eye splice around the shackles.  The current halyards are
Sta-Set X.
> We don't race, so super high-tech line is unnecessary, but that doesn't
mean I want have to re-tension the halyards when I'm sailing, either.  
> 
> On my last boat (a C&C 27 MKIII), I tried the Sta-Set X 15 years ago or
so, and didn't like the feel, and I think I remember the line slipping in
the clutches as well.   That has not been the case on this boat, but the
line is old...
> I've seen some recommendations for NE Ropes VPC.
> 
> What do you recommend for halyards and why?
> Thanks!  
>  Bruce Whitmore
> 1994 C&C 37/40+ "Astralis"Madeira Beach, FL 34677
> (847) 404-5092 (mobile)
> bwhitm...@sbcglobal.net
> 
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Neil Andersen via CnC-List]

Joe,

The sheaves are designed for both.  I transitioned to all rope and have never 
looked back.

Neil
1982 C&C32 FoxFire
Rock Hall, MD

Neil Andersen
20691 Jamieson Rd
Rock Hall, MD 21661

From: CnC-List  on behalf of Joe Della Barba via 
CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:47:07 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope because the 
sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.
Is this wrong?

Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Neil 
Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Neil Andersen 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

Bruce,

First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.

Neil
1982 C&C32
Rock Hall, MD
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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Steve Thomas via CnC-List]

I don't see the point in changing to all rope on a cruising boat with roller 
furling. Set it and forget it, and no worries about chafe or UV degradation up 
at the top. Wire lasts longer than anything in that sort of service. 

Steve Thomas

C&C36
Merritt Island, FL

C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Gary Nylander via CnC-List  wrote: 
I have raced on a couple of J-80’s and now on a C&C115. All have rope – all 
have furlers, and they don’t take anything down during the season.

Don’t see a problem.

 

Gary

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Is rope suitable for furling sails that might not come down more than once a 
year?

 

Coquina

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Gary Nylander mailto:gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem. 

Gary

30-1

 

From: CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> > On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before 
switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the rope 
you want to use.

 

Joel

 

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope because the 
sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.

Is this wrong?

 

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com 
 ] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  ; 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Neil Andersen mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Bruce,

 

First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.

 

Neil

1982 C&C32

Rock Hall, MD

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Re: Stus-List [EXTERNAL] Re: Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Della Barba, Joe via CnC-List]

The halyard I am replacing was last replaced in 1987, so we did get our money's 
worth out of the wire. The wire is actually fine, the rope is what is beat.
Joe
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve Thomas 
via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 1:15 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas 
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

I don't see the point in changing to all rope on a cruising boat with roller 
furling. Set it and forget it, and no worries about chafe or UV degradation up 
at the top. Wire lasts longer than anything in that sort of service. 

Steve Thomas

C&C36
Merritt Island, FL

C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Gary Nylander via CnC-List  wrote: 
I have raced on a couple of J-80’s and now on a C&C115. All have rope – all 
have furlers, and they don’t take anything down during the season.

Don’t see a problem.

 

Gary

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Is rope suitable for furling sails that might not come down more than once a 
year?

 

Coquina

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Gary Nylander mailto:gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem. 

Gary

30-1

 

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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before 
switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the rope 
you want to use.

 

Joel

 

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope because the 
sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.

Is this wrong?

 

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

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 ] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  ; 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Neil Andersen mailto:neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Bruce,

 

First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.

 

Neil

1982 C&C32

Rock Hall, MD

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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Or a boat that races with RF credit.

-Original Message- 
From: Steve Thomas via CnC-List

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

I don't see the point in changing to all rope on a cruising boat with roller 
furling. Set it and forget it, and no worries about chafe or UV degradation 
up at the top. Wire lasts longer than anything in that sort of service.


Steve Thomas

C&C36
Merritt Island, FL

C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Gary Nylander via CnC-List  wrote:
I have raced on a couple of J-80’s and now on a C&C115. All have rope – all 
have furlers, and they don’t take anything down during the season.


Don’t see a problem.



Gary



From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba 
via CnC-List

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?



Is rope suitable for furling sails that might not come down more than once a 
year?




Coquina



Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List

Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Gary Nylander  >

Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?



I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem.

Gary

30-1



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Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?



If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before 
switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the 
rope you want to use.




Joel



On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:


My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope because 
the sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.


Is this wrong?



Coquina

C&C 35 MK I



Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com 

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 ] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via 
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To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  ; 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: Neil Andersen  >

Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?



Bruce,



First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.



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Rock Hall, MD

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Stus-List Harken original roller furler parts

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Listers:

   Due to the inability to replace a broken torque tube, I am upgrading 
from a Harken original roller furler (1980s vintage MK 1, but not called 
that), Unit 2, to the newer Harken model.  The new one is nearly finished, 
and I cut up/recycled the old foils.  Before I recycle the rest of the old 
parts, does anyone have an interest in them (aside from the broken torque 
tube)?  Please advise if you do.  Thanks.


Matt Wolford
C&C 42 Custom 



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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Steve, you make a reasonable point.  If someone is changing their halyards
just to change them then it makes little or no sense.  If the halyard needs
replaced, then replacing with all rope is easier and possibly cheaper.  You
can do it without special splices and It also allows freshening the nib at
the shackle or doing an end for end swap.  As rope ages and where's out it
won't get fish hooks and it won't eat metal components like sheaves and
exit boxes.

The advantages of wire-rope halyards were always limited to low stretch and
reduced weight aloft.  Those advantages have been more or less eliminated
by modern day fiber technology.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD



On Tue, May 15, 2018, 12:15 PM Steve Thomas via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I don't see the point in changing to all rope on a cruising boat with
> roller furling. Set it and forget it, and no worries about chafe or UV
> degradation up at the top. Wire lasts longer than anything in that sort of
> service.
>
> Steve Thomas
>
> C&C36
> Merritt Island, FL
>
> C&C27 MKIII
> Port Stanley, ON
>
>  Gary Nylander via CnC-List  wrote:
> I have raced on a couple of J-80’s and now on a C&C115. All have rope –
> all have furlers, and they don’t take anything down during the season.
>
> Don’t see a problem.
>
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
> From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Joe Della
> Barba via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:12 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Cc: Joe Della Barba 
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> Is rope suitable for furling sails that might not come down more than once
> a year?
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com 
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary
> Nylander via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:27 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Gary Nylander  gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem.
>
> Gary
>
> 30-1
>
>
>
> From: CnC-List  cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> > On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
> To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
> Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before
> switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the
> rope you want to use.
>
>
>
> Joel
>
>
>
> On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com  > wrote:
>
> My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope
> because the sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.
>
> Is this wrong?
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
> C&C 35 MK I
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com 
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com  cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> ] On Behalf Of Neil Andersen via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  ;
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> Cc: Neil Andersen  neil.eric.ander...@gmail.com> >
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?
>
>
>
> Bruce,
>
>
>
> First thing is to replace the wire/rope with all rope.
>
>
>
> Neil
>
> 1982 C&C32
>
> Rock Hall, MD
>
> every one is greatly appreciated.  If you want to support the list - use
> PayPal to send contribution --   https://www.paypal.me/stumurray
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>
>
>
>
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>
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>
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Stus-List Halyard Tension

[Barry Lenoble via CnC-List]

Hey,

What does 'set it and forget it' mean?

No offense, but if you sail in 5 kts of wind and also in 20 kts of wind you
really should be adjusting halyard tension (even on a boat with roller
furling). 

In low wind you want the halyard 'soft' so the sail has more draft and
generates more power. In high wind you want a lot of halyard tension - to
flatten the sail and depower it. Then, before you furl it, ease the halyard
to have moderate tension. Your sail will furl easier and the sail and furler
will last longer too. 

Barry

Barry Lenoble
leno...@optonline.net
Deep Blue C, C&C 110
Mt. Sinai, NY

From: Steve Thomas via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 1:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Steve Thomas
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

I don't see the point in changing to all rope on a cruising boat with roller

furling. Set it and forget it, and no worries about chafe or UV degradation 
up at the top. Wire lasts longer than anything in that sort of service.

Steve Thomas

C&C36
Merritt Island, FL

C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON



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Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

[Chuck Gilchrest via CnC-List]

Steve,
There are several reasons to go to an all rope halyard for a cruising boat:
1.  While wire does indeed have low stretch, 1/2 of the rope will still be made 
from all polyester.  In a 45' mast, with a potential 3% elongation at 30% load, 
that still translates to nearly 1.5' of stretch.  Not insignificant.  Most high 
modulus ropes stretch around .4% which is far more manageable.  
2. A wire halyard fixed in place on a sheave over a long period of time will 
exhibit wear and eventually part on the outer radius where it goes around the 
sheave.  While most stainless wire won't show excessive external corrosion, 
stainless isn't corrosion free (check your lifelines sometime to confirm).  
When wire wears or frays, it gets nasty meathooks that will wear down sheaves 
(usually aluminum) and can shred bare skin like a razor blade
3.  Wire is heavy.  High modulus rope is light and even in some cases buoyant.  
Most folks don't think about adding weight to a cruising boat, but weight aloft 
makes for more heel and less stability.  As you move away from the center of 
gravity of a sailing vessel, the weight of an object gets amplified by the 
distance from the CG.  Which is why you always need to compensate with a deeper 
or heavier keel if you increase your mast height.  Adding weight aloft makes 
more of a difference than one would think.
4. Sail shape is important whether you race or cruise.  I'll support the 
rope/wire halyard logic if you still have the old dacron sails that your boat 
came with.  Pillow case shaped sails can be adjusted with virtually any type of 
ropes or wires.  But if you've made the investment to upgrade your sails to 
something that has some shape for upwind performance, keeping the sails 
properly trimmed will make the best of your investment.  Old wire halyards 
grinding on 35 year old worn wire sheaves aren't going to be likely to turn 
easily under loads, which mean your "set it and forget it" jib will have far 
too little tension in a blow OR way too tight in light airs.  
5.  Old rope/wire halyards are likely worn elsewhere beyond the masthead.  
Anywhere you can find flat spots, broken fibers on the cover or lumps inside 
the rope means that overall strength of the rope is compromised.  Some folks 
will end for end a rope halyard which extends the life of a rope by changing 
out the wear segments (rope clutch for example) to a new section on the line.  
You can't do that with halyards made with wire.
6.  Technology improvements.  Lighter, stronger, better handling, less hassle 
(let me know how much fun it was doing a wire to rope splice).  Even though I 
can listen to AM radio in my car, I prefer the better sound quality of FM or 
digital music sources that can connect via Bluetooth devices.  Yes, the sound 
system probably added to the price of the vehicle, but it was worth it.
Chuck Gilchrest
S/V Half Magic 
1983 35 Landfall 
Padanaram, MA

I don't see the point in changing to all rope on a cruising boat with roller 
furling. Set it and forget it, and no worries about chafe or UV degradation up 
at the top. Wire lasts longer than anything in that sort of service. 

Steve Thomas

C&C36
Merritt Island, FL

C&C27 MKIII
Port Stanley, ON

 Gary Nylander via CnC-List  wrote: 
I have raced on a couple of J-80’s and now on a C&C115. All have rope – all 
have furlers, and they don’t take anything down during the season.

Don’t see a problem.

 

Gary

 

From: CnC-List  On Behalf Of Joe Della Barba via 
CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Joe Della Barba 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

Is rope suitable for furling sails that might not come down more than once a 
year?

 

Coquina

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Gary 
Nylander via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:27 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Gary Nylander mailto:gnylan...@atlanticbb.net> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

I switched from wire/rope to rope without a problem. 

Gary

30-1

 

From: CnC-List mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com> > On Behalf Of Joel Aronson via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 10:00 AM
To: cnc-list mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> >
Cc: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com> >
Subject: Re: Stus-List Time for new halyard... Recommendations?

 

If there are rough spots on the sheaves they need to be replaced before 
switching.  Also, you need to make sure the sheave is wide enough for the rope 
you want to use.

 

Joel

 

On Tue, May 15, 2018 at 9:47 AM, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

My jib halyard is shot. I always assumed I needed another wire/rope because the 
sheaves are made for wire and would damage an all rope halyard.

Is this wrong?

 

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

 

Joe Della Barba

j...

Re: Stus-List Harken original roller furler parts

[svrebeccaleah via CnC-List]

Matt, were your foils aka torque tube connections secures with rivets or 
screws? I need 6 screws for my old harken furler. 



Doug Mountjoy Rebecca Leah LF39 POYC, WA.


 Original message From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" 
 Date: 5/15/18  10:42  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford"  Subject: 
Stus-List Harken original roller furler parts 
Listers:

    Due to the inability to replace a broken torque tube, I am upgrading 
from a Harken original roller furler (1980s vintage MK 1, but not called 
that), Unit 2, to the newer Harken model.  The new one is nearly finished, 
and I cut up/recycled the old foils.  Before I recycle the rest of the old 
parts, does anyone have an interest in them (aside from the broken torque 
tube)?  Please advise if you do.  Thanks.

Matt Wolford
C&C 42 Custom 


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Re: Stus-List Harken original roller furler parts

[Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List]

Screws.  I should have asked sooner – as I said, I already cut up and recycled 
the foils.  I did not think to remove the screws first (which were secured with 
red Loctite).  Sorry.

With the exception of the foil pieces, I do have the other various screws.  
Does that help?

From: svrebeccaleah via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:40 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: svrebeccaleah 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Harken original roller furler parts

Matt, were your foils aka torque tube connections secures with rivets or 
screws? I need 6 screws for my old harken furler. 




Doug Mountjoy 
Rebecca Leah 
LF39 
POYC, WA.



 Original message 
From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List"  
Date: 5/15/18 10:42 (GMT-08:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford"  
Subject: Stus-List Harken original roller furler parts 

Listers:

Due to the inability to replace a broken torque tube, I am upgrading 
from a Harken original roller furler (1980s vintage MK 1, but not called 
that), Unit 2, to the newer Harken model.  The new one is nearly finished, 
and I cut up/recycled the old foils.  Before I recycle the rest of the old 
parts, does anyone have an interest in them (aside from the broken torque 
tube)?  Please advise if you do.  Thanks.

Matt Wolford
C&C 42 Custom 


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Re: Stus-List Harken original roller furler parts

[svrebeccaleah via CnC-List]

Thanks for the offer but all I need is the foil screws. I hope. Pulling my mast 
in July. 


Doug Mountjoy Rebecca Leah LF39 POYC, WA.


 Original message From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List" 
 Date: 5/15/18  18:43  (GMT-08:00) To: 
cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford"  Subject: Re: 
Stus-List Harken original roller furler parts 



Screws.  I should have asked sooner – as I said, I already cut up and 
recycled the foils.  I did not think to remove the screws first (which were 
secured with red Loctite).  Sorry.
 
With the exception of the foil pieces, I do have the other various 
screws.  Does that help?


 

From: svrebeccaleah via CnC-List 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:40 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: svrebeccaleah 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Harken original roller furler 
parts
 

Matt, were your foils aka torque tube connections secures with rivets or 
screws? I need 6 screws for my old harken furler. 
 
 
 
 

Doug Mountjoy 
Rebecca Leah 
LF39 
POYC, WA.
 
 
 

 Original message 
From: "Matthew L. Wolford via CnC-List"  

Date: 5/15/18 10:42 (GMT-08:00) 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Cc: "Matthew L. Wolford"  
Subject: Stus-List Harken original roller furler parts 
 Listers:

    Due to the inability 
to replace a broken torque tube, I am upgrading 
from a Harken original 
roller furler (1980s vintage MK 1, but not called 
that), Unit 2, to the 
newer Harken model.  The new one is nearly finished, 
and I cut 
up/recycled the old foils.  Before I recycle the rest of the old 
parts, 
does anyone have an interest in them (aside from the broken torque 

tube)?  Please advise if you do.  Thanks.

Matt 
Wolford
C&C 42 Custom 



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