Stus-List Paws Electronics Upgrade Continues

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Just a quick update as so many folks here have been helpful in this project.  
The electronics upgrade continues and we’ve now completed the second milestone. 
 We got the new instruments in last fall (ugly project) and just today 
completed the chart plotter installation at the helm.  Hats off to Raymarine as 
this stuff really is plug and play.  We thought the hardest part would be 
running new wiring through the pedestal (and it was a bear) but that was 
nothing compared to pulling out all the old wiring.  They seemed to love wire 
ties, caulk and electrical tape and used all with abandon.  I was never overly 
pleased with the electrical and/or wiring work on my Tartan built C&C so 
yanking it all out was satisfying.  The built in GPS in the Ray A unit seems to 
work well so I don’t see a need for an additional GPS head. 

Next step is to resurrect the B&G autopilot and figure out to what extent I can 
interface it with the chart plotter.  It’s a 15 year old pilot but works well 
and I really don’t want to replace it. The B&G ram is a thing of beauty.  When 
we removed all the old B&G instruments last fall we cut the AP head off from a 
power source.  Apparently it’s not happy about that.  Will reinstall this week. 
 I really like the clean look of the helm with just the plotter so I’m hoping 
to find some other home for the AP head.  Just not sure how much control I can 
have via the plotter with just a nmea 183 interface.  Will hook it all up and 
see to what extent they talk to each other.

Hopefully the next update will be next weekend!

John




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Re: Stus-List Paws Electronics Upgrade Continues

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

John — which a Series plotter have you got?  The 7” variants do NOT have 
NMEA0183 on them, which you’ll need for the B&G pilot.  The larger a Series 
variants do have NMEA0183 on them.

As far as the extent of talking to each other, it’s going to be a one-way 
conversation; the MFD will output bearing to a waypoint and cross-track error, 
and the pilot will steer to it when enabled.  That’s it, unless you have a wind 
instrument tied to the plotter, and the B&G will steer to wind angle.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On May 14, 2016, at 4:43 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Just not sure how much control I can have via the plotter with just a nmea 
> 183 interface.  Will hook it all up and see to what extent they talk to each 
> other.

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Re: Stus-List Paws Electronics Upgrade Continues

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Thanks Fred.  It is a 9” plotter for that very reason.  It is connected to wind.

I’m not even thinking about steering to a waypoint - I just want a rudder angle 
display on the plotter! 

So I should not expect any input from the AP?

John

> On May 14, 2016, at 6:32 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> John — which a Series plotter have you got?  The 7” variants do NOT have 
> NMEA0183 on them, which you’ll need for the B&G pilot.  The larger a Series 
> variants do have NMEA0183 on them.
> 
> As far as the extent of talking to each other, it’s going to be a one-way 
> conversation; the MFD will output bearing to a waypoint and cross-track 
> error, and the pilot will steer to it when enabled.  That’s it, unless you 
> have a wind instrument tied to the plotter, and the B&G will steer to wind 
> angle.
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On May 14, 2016, at 4:43 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> 
>> Just not sure how much control I can have via the plotter with just a nmea 
>> 183 interface.  Will hook it all up and see to what extent they talk to each 
>> other.
> 
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Re: Stus-List Paws Electronics Upgrade Continues

[Frederick G Street via CnC-List]

John — you’ll have to check whatever documentation you can find on the B&G, and 
see if it: #1 — even has an NMEA0183 output; and #2 — can output the “RSA” 
(rudder sensor angle) sentence.

Usually, NMEA0183 implementation on older autopilots is limited to input of 
NMEA0183 sentences having to do with navigation to a waypoint.

If you find documentation and need some translation, let me know.

— Fred

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

> On May 14, 2016, at 6:00 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Fred.  It is a 9” plotter for that very reason.  It is connected to 
> wind.
> 
> I’m not even thinking about steering to a waypoint - I just want a rudder 
> angle display on the plotter! 
> 
> So I should not expect any input from the AP?
> 
> John
> 
>> On May 14, 2016, at 6:32 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> John — which a Series plotter have you got?  The 7” variants do NOT have 
>> NMEA0183 on them, which you’ll need for the B&G pilot.  The larger a Series 
>> variants do have NMEA0183 on them.
>> 
>> As far as the extent of talking to each other, it’s going to be a one-way 
>> conversation; the MFD will output bearing to a waypoint and cross-track 
>> error, and the pilot will steer to it when enabled.  That’s it, unless you 
>> have a wind instrument tied to the plotter, and the B&G will steer to wind 
>> angle.
>> 
>> — Fred
>> 
>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(

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Re: Stus-List Paws Electronics Upgrade Continues

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Thanks.   Just knowing “RSA” is a help!  Will let you know what I find out and 
how it all goes.

John

> On May 14, 2016, at 7:30 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> John — you’ll have to check whatever documentation you can find on the B&G, 
> and see if it: #1 — even has an NMEA0183 output; and #2 — can output the 
> “RSA” (rudder sensor angle) sentence.
> 
> Usually, NMEA0183 implementation on older autopilots is limited to input of 
> NMEA0183 sentences having to do with navigation to a waypoint.
> 
> If you find documentation and need some translation, let me know.
> 
> — Fred
> 
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
>> On May 14, 2016, at 6:00 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List > > wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Fred.  It is a 9” plotter for that very reason.  It is connected to 
>> wind.
>> 
>> I’m not even thinking about steering to a waypoint - I just want a rudder 
>> angle display on the plotter! 
>> 
>> So I should not expect any input from the AP?
>> 
>> John
>> 
>>> On May 14, 2016, at 6:32 PM, Frederick G Street via CnC-List 
>>> mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> John — which a Series plotter have you got?  The 7” variants do NOT have 
>>> NMEA0183 on them, which you’ll need for the B&G pilot.  The larger a Series 
>>> variants do have NMEA0183 on them.
>>> 
>>> As far as the extent of talking to each other, it’s going to be a one-way 
>>> conversation; the MFD will output bearing to a waypoint and cross-track 
>>> error, and the pilot will steer to it when enabled.  That’s it, unless you 
>>> have a wind instrument tied to the plotter, and the B&G will steer to wind 
>>> angle.
>>> 
>>> — Fred
>>> 
>>> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
>>> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- on the hard in Bayfield, WI   :^(
> 
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Stus-List Paws Electronics Upgrade Continues

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Thanks again Fred.  I don’t think I’ll be able to do what I was hoping. Bellow 
is a summary from the B&G manual.  It’s a circa 1999 H1000 system.  I was just 
going to connect the wires and see what data is available - maybe I have a 
newer version than detailed below (don’t crush my dreams!).  All of this is a 
bit greedy - just trying to eliminate one display head from the helm.  Really 
don’t want to spend the boat dollars on a new AP and I need another project 
like a hole in the head.

John


NMEA output (transmitted) summary


NMEA Sentence


Message Description

DPT

Transducer Depth and Offset

GGA

Global Positioning System Fix Data

GLL

Geographic Position, Latitude and Longitude

HDG

Heading Magnetic, Deviation and Variation

HDM

Heading, Magnetic

HDT

Heading, True

MT W

Water Temperature, °C

MWD

Wind Direction and Speed (TWD °M / °T and TWS)

MW V

Wind Speed and Angle (AWS and AWA, flag set to R) 

RMB

Recommended minimum navigation information

RMC

Recommended minimum specific GNSS data

VHW

Water Speed and Heading (°M / °T)

VLW

Distance Travelled through the Water

VT G

Course Over Ground and Speed Over Ground

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Stus-List C&c 36 questions

[Adam Hayden via CnC-List]

Hello there.   I was just wondering if any of the C&C 36 owners could send me 
off list a picture of their main sheet block set up as well as the boom vang.  

Thanks

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Re: Stus-List Lifeline netting

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Best lifeline netting I’ve seen was on a boat in the marina I manage. Made from 
the material used for backstop netting in baseball diamonds, by a company whose 
primary business was sports backstops. Order a kit by size needed, and IIRC 
cost a bit over $100 to do a Morgan OI41. 

 

Black in color so one does not see it. UV resistant for very long life. 
Something like a 3” square pattern of fabric reinforced by a nylon thread. Came 
with rings to attach  to the lifelines and toe rails. Can’t recall the name of 
the manufacturer, but have it in a file on the boat somewhere.

 

For the time being, I use the technique Dennis suggested: Dacron luff cord 
woven in a diamond pattern in the lifelines.

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Petar 
Horvatic via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2016 8:37 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Cc: Petar Horvatic ; 'Ryan Doyle' 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Lifeline netting

 

That stuff is exposed to the elements.  Ive had netting since 2006.  I bought 
the first one from Holland marine.  Few years in the tropics deteriorated it 
pretty good.   I am now on my second set.  This time from defender.  I would 
say if you try the cheap route you are going to be redoing it faster than you 
want.  Also in the offseason, if you don’t shrink-wrap the boat, I would take 
the netting off.  It’s a pain but it saves years of weathering. 

 

Petar Horvatic

Sundowner

76 C&C 38MkII

On the hard at Stanleys in barrington

 

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Doyle 
via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 5:41 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Cc: Ryan Doyle
Subject: Stus-List Lifeline netting

 

Hey guys, 

 

Anyone here buy lifeline netting recently?  I'm looking at 24" netting from 
Seamar Sports Netting - www.seamarnets.com  .  It's 
significantly cheaper than West Marine and the other suppliers I've found.  

 

Anyone have experience with this stuff?  

 

Thanks,

Ryan

Nobody's Bargain

1976 C&C 30mki

New York

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