Re: Stus-List Navtec pump service
I can second the recommendation that you check a farm implement shop. Quick, easy cheap. Bill Walker CnC 36 Pentwater. Mi Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: "Charles Nelson via CnC-List" To: "Tracy Hirsh" , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Cc: "Robbie Epstein" Subject: Stus-List Navtec pump service Date: Wed, Feb 4, 2015 10:21 PM I may live so far out "...in the sticks..." in Eastern NC that "...we have to import the sticks 😄..." but we have many hydraulic shops, mostly because we have a lot of farm and logging equipment in use. I had my Navtec unit (after about 15 yrs in use) seals replaced, cylinders smoothed/rebored?, etc. for about $300 at one of these a few years ago. Compared to the size and complexity of most equipment these shops deal with, my Navtec unit was a piece of cake, especially to the "...good old boys..." who are used to more complexity and quicker turn-arounds. (If you have contracted with an equipment lessor to get your crop planted, fertilized, harvested, etc. during a certain time interval, you or they cannot afford to wait for a 2-3 week repair time!) With appreciation to those "actual rocket scientists" on the list, this repair/rebuild does not even approach rocket science. It's a hydraulic cylinder for Heavens sake! The fact that it is used on a sailboat may inflate the repair cost (if it is repaired by a rigging shop) but at the end of the day it is a simple hydraulic cylinder. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb Sent from my iPad .. > On Feb 4, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List > wrote: > > Thank you Robbie. > I got a suggestion from Francois Rivard to try Zern Rigging in Pensacola. I > will let you know how it goes - Rick Zern will be closer for you as well! > Tracy > >> On Feb 4, 2015 7:47 PM, "Robbie Epstein via CnC-List" >> wrote: >> I had my Navtec pump and back stay cylinder rebuilt at Florida Rigging in St >> Petersburg a couple of years ago. I live in Fort Walton and couldn't find >> anyone close by to do it. They were easy to work with, and did a great job. >> >> Robbie >> 1980 C&C 40, Thorfinn >> Fort Walton Beach, FL >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> > On Feb 4, 2015, at 2:28 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: >> > >> > Stus-List Navtec pump service on Upper Gulf Coast >> >> ___ >> >> Email address: >> CnC-List@cnc-list.com >> To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom >> of page at: >> http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com > ___ > > Email address: > CnC-List@cnc-list.com > To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom > of page at: > http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com >___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
Re: Stus-List Navtec pump service
Charlie, Just where in the sticks are you? Heck, I'm in Hertford and I thought we were in the sticks (Pine groves really). Allen Miles s/v Septima C&C 30-2 From: Charles Nelson via CnC-List Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2015 10:21 PM To: Tracy Hirsh ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Cc: Robbie Epstein Subject: Re: Stus-List Navtec pump service I may live so far out "...in the sticks..." in Eastern NC that "...we have to import the sticks 😄..." but we have many hydraulic shops, mostly because we have a lot of farm and logging equipment in use. I had my Navtec unit (after about 15 yrs in use) seals replaced, cylinders smoothed/rebored?, etc. for about $300 at one of these a few years ago. Compared to the size and complexity of most equipment these shops deal with, my Navtec unit was a piece of cake, especially to the "...good old boys..." who are used to more complexity and quicker turn-arounds. (If you have contracted with an equipment lessor to get your crop planted, fertilized, harvested, etc. during a certain time interval, you or they cannot afford to wait for a 2-3 week repair time!) With appreciation to those "actual rocket scientists" on the list, this repair/rebuild does not even approach rocket science. It's a hydraulic cylinder for Heavens sake! The fact that it is used on a sailboat may inflate the repair cost (if it is repaired by a rigging shop) but at the end of the day it is a simple hydraulic cylinder. Charlie Nelson Water Phantom C&C 36 XL/kcb Sent from my iPad .. On Feb 4, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List wrote: Thank you Robbie. I got a suggestion from Francois Rivard to try Zern Rigging in Pensacola. I will let you know how it goes - Rick Zern will be closer for you as well! Tracy On Feb 4, 2015 7:47 PM, "Robbie Epstein via CnC-List" wrote: I had my Navtec pump and back stay cylinder rebuilt at Florida Rigging in St Petersburg a couple of years ago. I live in Fort Walton and couldn't find anyone close by to do it. They were easy to work with, and did a great job. Robbie 1980 C&C 40, Thorfinn Fort Walton Beach, FL Sent from my iPad > On Feb 4, 2015, at 2:28 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Stus-List Navtec pump service on Upper Gulf Coast ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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You can always use an extra line to narrow the sheeting angle (the name escapes
me at the moment).
Leslie
was Navigo 2 (C&C25)
On Wed, 2/4/15, Ed Dooley via CnC-List wrote:
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C24
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2015, 1:44 PM
Good
point. I'm a cruiser, but when my friend pulls up next
to me egging me on to race, it would be nice to
haveone more edge in my
favor.Ed
From: Gary Nylander
Date:
Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:22:54 -0500
To: Ed Dooley ,
Subject:
Re: Stus-List C&C24
The only suggestion I would have is to
consider
genoa tracks. The reason is our C&C's are rather
'fat' boats and sheeting
the genoa to the toe rail gives us a wider than optimum
sheeting angle for the
genoa. When I got my 30-1, I (had been to a couple of
seminars and was loaded??
with knowledge) IÂ calculated the sheeting angle for the
genoa was about
12-13 degrees and my impressive knowledge suggested it
should be around 10-11.
Thus, tracks. This gives you the opportunity to unhook the
genoa and run it back
to the rail when you want the best angle for reaching, thus
increasing the tasks
you can get your faithful crew to do. If you are cruising and are not
dedicated to
the
highest possible pointing angle, then disregard the above.
If not, then drill a
bunch of leaky holes in your deck and have the drips come
down
inside... Gary
- Original Message -
From:
Ed Dooley
via CnC-List
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday,
February 04, 2015 3:54
PM
Subject: Re:
Stus-List C&C24
My shins agree with the last comment. I have a
C&C24, but don't know
what might be different from the original.
Halyards to winches on the cabin top at the cockpit,
no genoa track (but
simple to adjust for whatever foresail I choose with
blocks clipped in to 2"
or so increments in the aluminum toe-rail.
One improvement (I don't think they were
original, but who knows?) are
the Barient self-tailing winches for the main sheets (nice
improvement!).
Teak grab rail on the cabin, split back stay with
adjuster, home-made
boom vang (not well thought out by previous owner). From
the brochures
on
Stu's site http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/
it looks
like, as Chris said, the early models had halyards to mast
base, not so on
later models where they go to winches on the cabin top, at
the cockpit.
Ed
From: Marek Dziedzic
Date:
Wed, 4 Feb 2015 15:21:48 -0500
To: "'Hoyt,
Mike'" ,
Subject:
Re: Stus-List C&C24
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One
of the big improvements was the change from the main
sheeting to the cabin top
(without the traveller) to a traveller in the cockpit.
That change improved
dramatically trimming of the main, even if some complained
that the traveller
was getting in the way of getting into the companion
way.
There
was a good picture on the boat for sail in BC (?) just a
week or so
ago.
Marek
(ex.
C&C 24 Fennel)
From:
CnC-List
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
Sent: February-04-15
14:28
To: chris hulett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject:
Re: Stus-List C&C24
Did
you take pictures prior to stripping off the hardware?Â
Some of the added hardware may be a big improvement on the
original as many of
the older C&Cs came with hayards led to mast base, no
boom vang, no
backstay adjuster, no genoa tracks etc and many boats have
been upgraded to
run lines to cockpit and added very necessary s
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Barber hauler
Joel
On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Leslie Paal via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> You can always use an extra line to narrow the sheeting angle (the name
> escapes me at the moment).
>
> Leslie
> was Navigo 2 (C&C25)
>
>
> On Wed, 2/4/15, Ed Dooley via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C24
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2015, 1:44 PM
>
> Good
> point. I'm a cruiser, but when my friend pulls up next
> to me egging me on to race, it would be nice to
> haveone more edge in my
> favor.Ed
> From: Gary Nylander
> Date:
> Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:22:54 -0500
> To: Ed Dooley ,
>
> Subject:
> Re: Stus-List C&C24
>
> The only suggestion I would have is to
> consider
> genoa tracks. The reason is our C&C's are rather
> 'fat' boats and sheeting
> the genoa to the toe rail gives us a wider than optimum
> sheeting angle for the
> genoa. When I got my 30-1, I (had been to a couple of
> seminars and was loaded??
> with knowledge) I calculated the sheeting angle for the
> genoa was about
> 12-13 degrees and my impressive knowledge suggested it
> should be around 10-11.
> Thus, tracks. This gives you the opportunity to unhook the
> genoa and run it back
> to the rail when you want the best angle for reaching, thus
> increasing the tasks
> you can get your faithful crew to do. If you are cruising and are not
> dedicated to
> the
> highest possible pointing angle, then disregard the above.
> If not, then drill a
> bunch of leaky holes in your deck and have the drips come
> down
> inside... Gary
>- Original Message -
>
>From:
>Ed Dooley
>via CnC-List
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
>Sent: Wednesday,
> February 04, 2015 3:54
>PM
>Subject: Re:
> Stus-List C&C24
>
>
>My shins agree with the last comment. I have a
> C&C24, but don't know
>what might be different from the original.
>Halyards to winches on the cabin top at the cockpit,
> no genoa track (but
>simple to adjust for whatever foresail I choose with
> blocks clipped in to 2"
>or so increments in the aluminum toe-rail.
>One improvement (I don't think they were
> original, but who knows?) are
>the Barient self-tailing winches for the main sheets (nice
> improvement!).
>Teak grab rail on the cabin, split back stay with
> adjuster, home-made
>boom vang (not well thought out by previous owner). From
> the brochures
> on
>Stu's site http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/
> it looks
>like, as Chris said, the early models had halyards to mast
> base, not so on
>later models where they go to winches on the cabin top, at
> the cockpit.
>Ed
>
>
>From: Marek Dziedzic
> Date:
> Wed, 4 Feb 2015 15:21:48 -0500
> To: "'Hoyt,
> Mike'" ,
>
> Subject:
> Re: Stus-List C&C24
>
>
>
>
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>One
>of the big improvements was the change from the main
> sheeting to the cabin top
>(without the traveller) to a traveller in the cockpit.
> That change improved
>dramatically trimming of the main, even if some complained
> that the traveller
>was getting in the way of getting into the companion
> way.
>
>There
>was a good picture on the boat for sail in BC (?) just a
> week or so
>ago.
>
>Marek
>(ex.
>C&C 24 Fennel)
>
>
>
>From:
> CnC-List
>[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
>On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
> Sent: February-04-15
>14:28
> To: chris hulett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subj
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
I had a C&C 24 and added genoa tracks inboard. I put and aluminum bar underneath and epoxied all holes. Worked well. If I were to do it now I would use setup on my 27V and put short tracks on the coaming. You can also add a traveler across the seats. Jerry C&C 27mkV J&J. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Inhauler, which doesn't work with a genny that's below cabin top, I don't
think.
Ed
On 2/5/15 2:56 PM, "Leslie Paal" wrote:
>You can always use an extra line to narrow the sheeting angle (the name
>escapes me at the moment).
>
>Leslie
>was Navigo 2 (C&C25)
>
>
>On Wed, 2/4/15, Ed Dooley via CnC-List wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C24
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2015, 1:44 PM
>
> Good
> point. I'm a cruiser, but when my friend pulls up next
> to me egging me on to race, it would be nice to
> haveone more edge in my
> favor.Ed
> From: Gary Nylander
> Date:
> Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:22:54 -0500
> To: Ed Dooley ,
>
> Subject:
> Re: Stus-List C&C24
>
> The only suggestion I would have is to
> consider
> genoa tracks. The reason is our C&C's are rather
> 'fat' boats and sheeting
> the genoa to the toe rail gives us a wider than optimum
> sheeting angle for the
> genoa. When I got my 30-1, I (had been to a couple of
> seminars and was loaded??
> with knowledge) I calculated the sheeting angle for the
> genoa was about
> 12-13 degrees and my impressive knowledge suggested it
> should be around 10-11.
> Thus, tracks. This gives you the opportunity to unhook the
> genoa and run it back
> to the rail when you want the best angle for reaching, thus
> increasing the tasks
> you can get your faithful crew to do. If you are cruising and are not
>dedicated to
> the
> highest possible pointing angle, then disregard the above.
> If not, then drill a
> bunch of leaky holes in your deck and have the drips come
> down
> inside... Gary
> - Original Message -
>
> From:
> Ed Dooley
> via CnC-List
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
>
> Sent: Wednesday,
> February 04, 2015 3:54
> PM
> Subject: Re:
> Stus-List C&C24
>
>
> My shins agree with the last comment. I have a
> C&C24, but don't know
> what might be different from the original.
> Halyards to winches on the cabin top at the cockpit,
> no genoa track (but
> simple to adjust for whatever foresail I choose with
> blocks clipped in to 2"
> or so increments in the aluminum toe-rail.
> One improvement (I don't think they were
> original, but who knows?) are
> the Barient self-tailing winches for the main sheets (nice
> improvement!).
> Teak grab rail on the cabin, split back stay with
> adjuster, home-made
> boom vang (not well thought out by previous owner). From
> the brochures
> on
> Stu's site http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/
> it looks
> like, as Chris said, the early models had halyards to mast
> base, not so on
> later models where they go to winches on the cabin top, at
> the cockpit.
> Ed
>
>
> From: Marek Dziedzic
> Date:
> Wed, 4 Feb 2015 15:21:48 -0500
> To: "'Hoyt,
> Mike'" ,
>
> Subject:
> Re: Stus-List C&C24
>
>
>
>
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> One
> of the big improvements was the change from the main
> sheeting to the cabin top
> (without the traveller) to a traveller in the cockpit.
> That change improved
> dramatically trimming of the main, even if some complained
> that the traveller
> was getting in the way of getting into the companion
> way.
>
> There
> was a good picture on the boat for sail in BC (?) just a
> week or so
> ago.
>
> Marek
> (ex.
> C&C 24 Fennel)
>
>
>
> From:
> CnC-List
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
> Sent: February-04-15
> 14:28
> To: chris hulett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject:
> Re: Stus-List C&C24
>
> Did
> you take pictures prior to stripping off
Re: Stus-List Navtec pump service
gentle reminder about 'not rocket science'. The Challenger tragedy occurred because of a simple seal failure. Leslie retired from JPL/NASA of course the scale of potential damage is not comparable. On Wed, 2/4/15, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote: Subject: Re: Stus-List Navtec pump service To: "Tracy Hirsh" , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Cc: "Robbie Epstein" Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2015, 7:21 PM I may live so far out "...in the sticks..." in Eastern NC that "...we have to import the sticks 😄..." but we have many hydraulic shops, mostly because we have a lot of farm and logging equipment in use. I had my Navtec unit (after about 15 yrs in use) seals replaced, cylinders smoothed/rebored?, etc. for about $300 at one of these a few years ago. Compared to the size and complexity of most equipment these shops deal with, my Navtec unit was a piece of cake, especially to the "...good old boys..." who are used to more complexity and quicker turn-arounds. (If you have contracted with an equipment lessor to get your crop planted, fertilized, harvested, etc. during a certain time interval, you or they cannot afford to wait for a 2-3 week repair time!) With appreciation to those "actual rocket scientists" on the list, this repair/rebuild does not even approach rocket science. It's a hydraulic cylinder for Heavens sake! The fact that it is used on a sailboat may inflate the repair cost (if it is repaired by a rigging shop) but at the end of the day it is a simple hydraulic cylinder. Charlie NelsonWater PhantomC&C 36 XL/kcb Sent from my iPad.. On Feb 4, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List wrote: Thank you Robbie. I got a suggestion from Francois Rivard to try Zern Rigging in Pensacola. I will let you know how it goes - Rick Zern will be closer for you as well! Tracy On Feb 4, 2015 7:47 PM, "Robbie Epstein via CnC-List" wrote: I had my Navtec pump and back stay cylinder rebuilt at Florida Rigging in St Petersburg a couple of years ago. I live in Fort Walton and couldn't find anyone close by to do it. They were easy to work with, and did a great job. Robbie 1980 C&C 40, Thorfinn Fort Walton Beach, FL Sent from my iPad > On Feb 4, 2015, at 2:28 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Stus-List Navtec pump service on Upper Gulf Coast ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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If you Google C&C 24 images, there is even one with the traveller over the cabin top. Marek (in Ottawa) -Original Message- From: Jerome Tauber via CnC-List Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 3:19 PM To: Joel Aronson ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C24 I had a C&C 24 and added genoa tracks inboard. I put and aluminum bar underneath and epoxied all holes. Worked well. If I were to do it now I would use setup on my 27V and put short tracks on the coaming. You can also add a traveler across the seats. Jerry C&C 27mkV J&J. ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
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It is a barber hauler, but you have to have something to attach it to that
is closer to the cabin, thus a hole or ring, or something.
Gary
- Original Message -
From: "Leslie Paal via CnC-List"
To: "Ed Dooley" ;
Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C24
You can always use an extra line to narrow the sheeting angle (the name
escapes me at the moment).
Leslie
was Navigo 2 (C&C25)
On Wed, 2/4/15, Ed Dooley via CnC-List wrote:
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C24
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2015, 1:44 PM
Good
point. I'm a cruiser, but when my friend pulls up next
to me egging me on to race, it would be nice to
haveone more edge in my
favor.Ed
From: Gary Nylander
Date:
Wed, 4 Feb 2015 16:22:54 -0500
To: Ed Dooley ,
Subject:
Re: Stus-List C&C24
The only suggestion I would have is to
consider
genoa tracks. The reason is our C&C's are rather
'fat' boats and sheeting
the genoa to the toe rail gives us a wider than optimum
sheeting angle for the
genoa. When I got my 30-1, I (had been to a couple of
seminars and was loaded??
with knowledge) I calculated the sheeting angle for the
genoa was about
12-13 degrees and my impressive knowledge suggested it
should be around 10-11.
Thus, tracks. This gives you the opportunity to unhook the
genoa and run it back
to the rail when you want the best angle for reaching, thus
increasing the tasks
you can get your faithful crew to do. If you are cruising and are not
dedicated to
the
highest possible pointing angle, then disregard the above.
If not, then drill a
bunch of leaky holes in your deck and have the drips come
down
inside... Gary
- Original Message -
From:
Ed Dooley
via CnC-List
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Wednesday,
February 04, 2015 3:54
PM
Subject: Re:
Stus-List C&C24
My shins agree with the last comment. I have a
C&C24, but don't know
what might be different from the original.
Halyards to winches on the cabin top at the cockpit,
no genoa track (but
simple to adjust for whatever foresail I choose with
blocks clipped in to 2"
or so increments in the aluminum toe-rail.
One improvement (I don't think they were
original, but who knows?) are
the Barient self-tailing winches for the main sheets (nice
improvement!).
Teak grab rail on the cabin, split back stay with
adjuster, home-made
boom vang (not well thought out by previous owner). From
the brochures
on
Stu's site http://www.cncphotoalbum.com/
it looks
like, as Chris said, the early models had halyards to mast
base, not so on
later models where they go to winches on the cabin top, at
the cockpit.
Ed
From: Marek Dziedzic
Date:
Wed, 4 Feb 2015 15:21:48 -0500
To: "'Hoyt,
Mike'" ,
Subject:
Re: Stus-List C&C24
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One
of the big improvements was the change from the main
sheeting to the cabin top
(without the traveller) to a traveller in the cockpit.
That change improved
dramatically trimming of the main, even if some complained
that the traveller
was getting in the way of getting into the companion
way.
There
was a good picture on the boat for sail in BC (?) just a
week or so
ago.
Marek
(ex.
C&C 24 Fennel)
From:
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[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
On Behalf Of Hoyt, Mike via CnC-List
Sent: February-04-15
14:28
To: chris hulett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject:
Re: Stus-List C&C24
Did
you take pictures prior to stripping off the hardware?
Some of the added hardware may be a big improvement on the
original as many of
the older C&Cs came with hayards led to mast base, no
boom vang, no
backstay adjuster, no genoa tra
Re: Stus-List Navtec pump service
My two cents; The backstay ram is meant to add tension, not remove all slop from a poorly adjusted rig. The rig should be adjusted so when the ram is relaxed and full length, it is not so slack that the mast is jeopardized. Also, if you start with some tension on, without hydraulic pressure, you can get by with less pressure on the seal, when sailing. Again, while at the dock, common sense suggests you remove tension on the ram to make this initial adjustment, like crank down on the mainsheet, to pull the mast back, check your rake, prebend, etc, headstay tension, adjust the backstay rod adjustment to this starting point. Then if the ram has a problem, the rig stays in the boat. Losing the function of the ram will still allow you to sail. You just may have fuller sails than otherwise. Before I had my ram repaired, my system leaked fluid at the remote pump station and at the O-ring at the top end of the ram cylinder. It still functioned but wouldn't hold pressure for long. You could pump it up to 2500# but it would lose all pressure and within less than 20 minutes, would be at zero. My local Hydraulics guy pressure tested his work for me and showed me how well it held pressure. We pumped up the pressure to 2 x normal and watched it for 30 minutes. He said I could come back the next day, but convinced me it was good. And it's been very reliable holding pressure for weeks when I'm away from the boat. That repair was done seven years ago. BTW, the Challenger tragedy, seal failure happened because they launched when it was too cold, and ice formed under the seal causing the failure. The warning from the builder was ignored. Chuck Resolute 1990 C&C 34R Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md - Original Message - From: "Leslie Paal via CnC-List" To: "Charles Nelson" , cnc-list@cnc-list.com Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2015 3:30:11 PM Subject: Re: Stus-List Navtec pump service gentle reminder about 'not rocket science'. The Challenger tragedy occurred because of a simple seal failure. Leslie retired from JPL/NASA of course the scale of potential damage is not comparable. On Wed, 2/4/15, Charles Nelson via CnC-List wrote: Subject: Re: Stus-List Navtec pump service To: "Tracy Hirsh" , "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" Cc: "Robbie Epstein" Date: Wednesday, February 4, 2015, 7:21 PM I may live so far out "...in the sticks..." in Eastern NC that "...we have to import the sticks 😄..." but we have many hydraulic shops, mostly because we have a lot of farm and logging equipment in use. I had my Navtec unit (after about 15 yrs in use) seals replaced, cylinders smoothed/rebored?, etc. for about $300 at one of these a few years ago. Compared to the size and complexity of most equipment these shops deal with, my Navtec unit was a piece of cake, especially to the "...good old boys..." who are used to more complexity and quicker turn-arounds. (If you have contracted with an equipment lessor to get your crop planted, fertilized, harvested, etc. during a certain time interval, you or they cannot afford to wait for a 2-3 week repair time!) With appreciation to those "actual rocket scientists" on the list, this repair/rebuild does not even approach rocket science. It's a hydraulic cylinder for Heavens sake! The fact that it is used on a sailboat may inflate the repair cost (if it is repaired by a rigging shop) but at the end of the day it is a simple hydraulic cylinder. Charlie NelsonWater PhantomC&C 36 XL/kcb Sent from my iPad.. On Feb 4, 2015, at 9:15 PM, Tracy Hirsh via CnC-List wrote: Thank you Robbie. I got a suggestion from Francois Rivard to try Zern Rigging in Pensacola. I will let you know how it goes - Rick Zern will be closer for you as well! Tracy On Feb 4, 2015 7:47 PM, "Robbie Epstein via CnC-List" wrote: I had my Navtec pump and back stay cylinder rebuilt at Florida Rigging in St Petersburg a couple of years ago. I live in Fort Walton and couldn't find anyone close by to do it. They were easy to work with, and did a great job. Robbie 1980 C&C 40, Thorfinn Fort Walton Beach, FL Sent from my iPad > On Feb 4, 2015, at 2:28 PM, cnc-list-requ...@cnc-list.com wrote: > > Stus-List Navtec pump service on Upper Gulf Coast ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list p
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Good evening. Its too cold outside and I'm too lazy to climb under Wild Rover's tarp to measure the forehatch. Anyone know the size of it on a 27 MkV? Im replacing it this year. The glass is translucent, the hardware is all bunged up and after last year it leaks like horrendously. Inexpensive model suggestions will be appreciated too. Thanks Brent Driedger 27-5 #15 Lake Winnipeg. Sent from my iPhone ___ Email address: CnC-List@cnc-list.com To change your list preferences, including unsubscribing -- go to the bottom of page at: http://cnc-list.com/mailman/listinfo/cnc-list_cnc-list.com
