Stus-List Wire-rope halyard

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I need to replace the genoa halyard on my boat and am wondering about the 
disadvantage of wire-rope over high tech line.  The original spec line is 
wire-rope.  From what I have priced, wire-rope from APS is cheaper than a 
dyneema type very low stretch line (Warp Speed/Endura) and about the same as 
somewhat low stretch line (VPC).  I see the advantages of wire-rope as price 
and essentially no stretch.  The only disadvantage I see is a bit more weight 
aloft, but as a percentage of the total weight aloft it seems insignificant.  
Am I missing something?  Dave

Aries
1990 C&C 34+
New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Wire-rope halyard

[dwight via CnC-List]

David

 

I like wire to rope, 7/16 inch braid to wire for genoa and main halyards on
Alianna, genoa blue tracer, main red tracer all cockpit led.I consider for
my purposes that the slight added weight aloft is insignificant especially
with the substantial stick on my 35 MKII.7/16 braid is easy on the hands and
works well on the winches and the masthead sheaves

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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Subject: Stus-List Wire-rope halyard

 

I need to replace the genoa halyard on my boat and am wondering about the
disadvantage of wire-rope over high tech line.  The original spec line is
wire-rope.  From what I have priced, wire-rope from APS is cheaper than a
dyneema type very low stretch line (Warp Speed/Endura) and about the same as
somewhat low stretch line (VPC).  I see the advantages of wire-rope as price
and essentially no stretch.  The only disadvantage I see is a bit more
weight aloft, but as a percentage of the total weight aloft it seems
insignificant.  Am I missing something?  Dave

 

Aries

1990 C&C 34+

New London, CT




 

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Re: Stus-List Wire-rope halyard

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

David

I'd consider Dyneema 75 with chafe covers at both ends. Very low stretch
and weight. Cheaper than. warp speed ( no offense Edd).

On Saturday, September 27, 2014, David Knecht via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> I need to replace the genoa halyard on my boat and am wondering about the
> disadvantage of wire-rope over high tech line.  The original spec line is
> wire-rope.  From what I have priced, wire-rope from APS is cheaper than a
> dyneema type very low stretch line (Warp Speed/Endura) and about the same
> as somewhat low stretch line (VPC).  I see the advantages of wire-rope as
> price and essentially no stretch.  The only disadvantage I see is a bit
> more weight aloft, but as a percentage of the total weight aloft it seems
> insignificant.  Am I missing something?  Dave
>
> Aries
> 1990 C&C 34+
> New London, CT
>
>
>

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Re: Stus-List Wire-rope halyard

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

I replaced all mine with Yale Crystaline.  Love the stuff.  When rope wears
it frays.  I can live with that.  When wire wears it makes fish hooks.
Ouch!  Wire also chews up the shives.  I can also end for end rope or
simply freshen up the ends if needed.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Sep 27, 2014 7:52 AM, "Joel Aronson via CnC-List" 
wrote:

> David
>
> I'd consider Dyneema 75 with chafe covers at both ends. Very low stretch
> and weight. Cheaper than. warp speed ( no offense Edd).
>
> On Saturday, September 27, 2014, David Knecht via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
>> I need to replace the genoa halyard on my boat and am wondering about the
>> disadvantage of wire-rope over high tech line.  The original spec line is
>> wire-rope.  From what I have priced, wire-rope from APS is cheaper than a
>> dyneema type very low stretch line (Warp Speed/Endura) and about the same
>> as somewhat low stretch line (VPC).  I see the advantages of wire-rope as
>> price and essentially no stretch.  The only disadvantage I see is a bit
>> more weight aloft, but as a percentage of the total weight aloft it seems
>> insignificant.  Am I missing something?  Dave
>>
>> Aries
>> 1990 C&C 34+
>> New London, CT
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Joel
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Stus-List C&C 37/40 + Pricing

[Robert Gallagher via CnC-List]

For the mast to be removed, the boat went into the water.  That seems like
an expensive proposition for a boat that size.

I'm going to guess that the boat was recently launched and the rig taken
down for a survey under a purchase agreement.  If the deal fell through the
broker/owner would not bother spending the money to step the mast and rig
the boat.

If I'm correct, you might find out who owns that survey and purchase it
before going any further.

There is also the possibility that the survey was halted (some surveyors
will let you pay X amount and just pack it in if there are major defects
found early in the process) and no formal survey written.  If so, you might
be able to buy that information from the surveyor himself.

Anyway, if it were me and I was local, I would start sniffing around and
find out why a boat that big was suddenly launched, de-rigged, and then
hauled again.

Good luck,

Rob
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Re: Stus-List C&C 37/40 + Pricing

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

When we were looking for our boat we found one about 2000 km (1200 miles)
away that was out of the water for winter storage.  A surveyor there agreed
to survey just the hull to look for wet core or other issues.  He found no
problems so we continued negotiations and ultimately settled on a price,
contingent on the result of a full survey and sea trial.  A few small
problems were found in the full survey so an adjustment was made in the
purchase price to cover repairs the seller wasn't willing to make himself
(or that I would rather complete myself) and we bought the boat.

So surveyors will do part surveys if it suits the circumstances.

Ken H.

On 27 September 2014 09:06, Robert Gallagher via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> For the mast to be removed, the boat went into the water.  That seems like
> an expensive proposition for a boat that size.
>
> I'm going to guess that the boat was recently launched and the rig taken
> down for a survey under a purchase agreement.  If the deal fell through the
> broker/owner would not bother spending the money to step the mast and rig
> the boat.
>
> If I'm correct, you might find out who owns that survey and purchase it
> before going any further.
>
> There is also the possibility that the survey was halted (some surveyors
> will let you pay X amount and just pack it in if there are major defects
> found early in the process) and no formal survey written.  If so, you might
> be able to buy that information from the surveyor himself.
>
> Anyway, if it were me and I was local, I would start sniffing around and
> find out why a boat that big was suddenly launched, de-rigged, and then
> hauled again.
>
> Good luck,
>
> Rob
>
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Re: Stus-List 1985 C&c37 fs in Stamford ct

[Rick Brass via CnC-List]

Have you given thought to moving the boat instead of selling her?

Someone on the list has a boat on the Ohio River, IIRC. There are some really 
substantial sized lakes in western Kentucky that are a relatively short drive 
away. And, if all else fails, the Great Lakes are only 4 or 5 hours drive north.

Rick Brass

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> On Sep 26, 2014, at 21:47, William D. Hall via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> All,
> It's with a sad heart I list our boat. I bought her just 2 years ago and 
> racked up some big yard bills, thinking we'd have her forever. Now we're 
> moving to Cincinnati for work and it just doesn't make sense to manage a boat 
> from afar. So I'm listing her for what I paid for her, about half of what I 
> have into her. A really sweet boat. My 3 year old misses her almost as much 
> as I do. 
> 
> The listing is here:
> 
> http://m.yachtworld.com/mobile/boats/1985/C-%26-C-37-2764228/Lower/CT/United-States
> 
> I've really enjoyed the list, been a big help sorting out the boat. And for 
> just two years the bankers might laugh at me but I loved every minute if it. 
> 
> I hope you all keep enjoying your C&C's!
> 
> Bill Hall
> Starfire 
> 1985 C&C 37
> Stamford, CT
> 617 620 9078
> 
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Stus-List Fwd: C&C 37/40 + Pricing (

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

I intended to send this to the list and didn't hit "Reply to All", whoops.

Ken H.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Ken Heaton 
Date: 27 September 2014 09:20
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37/40 + Pricing (
To: John Pennie 


That isn't actually true John.  The draft of the rudder in those drawings
is 5' 6".  The draft of the CB version's keel is listed at 4' 11" so the CB
version has to use a shorter rudder.  Perhaps Ed can tell us the draft of
the rudder on the Enterprise?

Here is a photo of the CB version:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-w_2kz_b_09w/Tca8kZgc_SI/Bdg/PhjJ2NEmq2I/s1600/photo.JPG

Full Keel version here:
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-doNhtyaGUq4/TX__SDQGyKI/O-Y/IcZ6dV4z9oU/w1534-h1023-no/20101121_Salazar%2Bin%2BCradle_0013.JPG

Ken H.

On 26 September 2014 23:35, John Pennie  wrote:

> Great comparison.  More interesting - take a look at the rudder.  In all
> cases they have the shoal draft rudder which would work with the
> centerboard model.  This is the same thing we saw on our 51 of similar
> vintage.  Apparently they would change the keel but not alter the rudder.
> Rob Ball hand some interesting thoughts on that when I spoke to him in the
> early 2000’s about redesigning the rudder.  Curious if that is just
> drawings or in fact held true in production.
>
> John
>
>
>
> On Sep 26, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Take a look at the three illustrations linked below:
>
> This is the drawing for the 37+ (also known as the 37/40+, and after 1992,
> the 40+)
>
> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5997
>
> Notice the "Beaver Tail" on the bottom of the keel.  This is the 7' 3" (or
> 4") draft keel.
>
> Now look at this one.  This is the 37XL, (also known as the 37/40XL, and
> after 1992, the 40XL)
>
> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5998
>
> Notice it is a bit deeper and has no "Beaver Tail" and has somewhere
> between 7' 10" to 8' 2" of draft.
>
> Finally, the 37R (also known as the 37/40R)
>
> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2563
>
> Same keel as the XL, more or less.
>
> The wing keels were fitted to both the 37+ and XL if you ordered it that
> way.  Same for the Centreboard Keel as far as I know.
>
> I have photos online somewhere, I'll have a look.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 37/40 + Pricing (

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Ken,

Never measured the draft of the rudder on the Enterprise, but I would 
say it’s very close to the keel depth of 4.92 feet. When the boat out of the 
water and the keel is on blocks, the rudder is pretty close to ground.

I can measure it for you when the boat hauls in 2 weeks :-(


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log

On Sep 27, 2014, at 9:33 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List  
wrote:

I intended to send this to the list and didn't hit "Reply to All", whoops.

Ken H.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Ken Heaton 
Date: 27 September 2014 09:20
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37/40 + Pricing (
To: John Pennie 


That isn't actually true John.  The draft of the rudder in those drawings is 5' 
6".  The draft of the CB version's keel is listed at 4' 11" so the CB version 
has to use a shorter rudder.  Perhaps Ed can tell us the draft of the rudder on 
the Enterprise?

Here is a photo of the CB version: 
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-w_2kz_b_09w/Tca8kZgc_SI/Bdg/PhjJ2NEmq2I/s1600/photo.JPG

Full Keel version here: 
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-doNhtyaGUq4/TX__SDQGyKI/O-Y/IcZ6dV4z9oU/w1534-h1023-no/20101121_Salazar%2Bin%2BCradle_0013.JPG

Ken H.

On 26 September 2014 23:35, John Pennie  wrote:
Great comparison.  More interesting - take a look at the rudder.  In all cases 
they have the shoal draft rudder which would work with the centerboard model.  
This is the same thing we saw on our 51 of similar vintage.  Apparently they 
would change the keel but not alter the rudder.  Rob Ball hand some interesting 
thoughts on that when I spoke to him in the early 2000’s about redesigning the 
rudder.  Curious if that is just drawings or in fact held true in production.

John



On Sep 26, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List  
wrote:

> Take a look at the three illustrations linked below:
> 
> This is the drawing for the 37+ (also known as the 37/40+, and after 1992, 
> the 40+)
> 
> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5997
> 
> Notice the "Beaver Tail" on the bottom of the keel.  This is the 7' 3" (or 
> 4") draft keel.
> 
> Now look at this one.  This is the 37XL, (also known as the 37/40XL, and 
> after 1992, the 40XL)
> 
> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5998
> 
> Notice it is a bit deeper and has no "Beaver Tail" and has somewhere between 
> 7' 10" to 8' 2" of draft.
> 
> Finally, the 37R (also known as the 37/40R)
> 
> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2563
> 
> Same keel as the XL, more or less.
> 
> The wing keels were fitted to both the 37+ and XL if you ordered it that way. 
>  Same for the Centreboard Keel as far as I know.
> 
> I have photos online somewhere, I'll have a look.
> 
> Ken H.
> 



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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 37/40 + Pricing (

[Edd Schillay via CnC-List]

Ken,

To see what I mean, please see my launching video from this past May 
(http://youtu.be/lV2KBUMb6IY) — seems like only yesterday — I need to move 
south. 

Anyways, starting at about the 2:05 mark, you can see the depth of the 
rudder as compared to the keel. They are very close. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log

On Sep 27, 2014, at 10:03 AM, Edd Schillay via CnC-List  
wrote:

Ken,

Never measured the draft of the rudder on the Enterprise, but I would 
say it’s very close to the keel depth of 4.92 feet. When the boat out of the 
water and the keel is on blocks, the rudder is pretty close to ground.

I can measure it for you when the boat hauls in 2 weeks :-(


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log

On Sep 27, 2014, at 9:33 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List  
wrote:

I intended to send this to the list and didn't hit "Reply to All", whoops.

Ken H.


-- Forwarded message --
From: Ken Heaton 
Date: 27 September 2014 09:20
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37/40 + Pricing (
To: John Pennie 


That isn't actually true John.  The draft of the rudder in those drawings is 5' 
6".  The draft of the CB version's keel is listed at 4' 11" so the CB version 
has to use a shorter rudder.  Perhaps Ed can tell us the draft of the rudder on 
the Enterprise?

Here is a photo of the CB version: 
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-w_2kz_b_09w/Tca8kZgc_SI/Bdg/PhjJ2NEmq2I/s1600/photo.JPG

Full Keel version here: 
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-doNhtyaGUq4/TX__SDQGyKI/O-Y/IcZ6dV4z9oU/w1534-h1023-no/20101121_Salazar%2Bin%2BCradle_0013.JPG

Ken H.

On 26 September 2014 23:35, John Pennie  wrote:
Great comparison.  More interesting - take a look at the rudder.  In all cases 
they have the shoal draft rudder which would work with the centerboard model.  
This is the same thing we saw on our 51 of similar vintage.  Apparently they 
would change the keel but not alter the rudder.  Rob Ball hand some interesting 
thoughts on that when I spoke to him in the early 2000’s about redesigning the 
rudder.  Curious if that is just drawings or in fact held true in production.

John



On Sep 26, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List  
wrote:

> Take a look at the three illustrations linked below:
> 
> This is the drawing for the 37+ (also known as the 37/40+, and after 1992, 
> the 40+)
> 
> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5997
> 
> Notice the "Beaver Tail" on the bottom of the keel.  This is the 7' 3" (or 
> 4") draft keel.
> 
> Now look at this one.  This is the 37XL, (also known as the 37/40XL, and 
> after 1992, the 40XL)
> 
> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5998
> 
> Notice it is a bit deeper and has no "Beaver Tail" and has somewhere between 
> 7' 10" to 8' 2" of draft.
> 
> Finally, the 37R (also known as the 37/40R)
> 
> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2563
> 
> Same keel as the XL, more or less.
> 
> The wing keels were fitted to both the 37+ and XL if you ordered it that way. 
>  Same for the Centreboard Keel as far as I know.
> 
> I have photos online somewhere, I'll have a look.
> 
> Ken H.
> 



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Re: Stus-List 1985 C&c37 fs in Stamford ct

[Rick Taillieu via CnC-List]

Nice boat Bill but do yourself a favour and have someone with a decent camera 
re-take the photos.

Those ones are horrible and don’t do the boat justice.

 

Good luck with the sale.

 

Rick Taillieu

Nemesis

'75 C&C 25  #371

Shearwater Yacht Club

Halifax, NS.

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of William D. 
Hall via CnC-List
Sent: September-26-14 22:48
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 1985 C&c37 fs in Stamford ct

 

All,

It's with a sad heart I list our boat. I bought her just 2 years ago and racked 
up some big yard bills, thinking we'd have her forever. Now we're moving to 
Cincinnati for work and it just doesn't make sense to manage a boat from afar. 
So I'm listing her for what I paid for her, about half of what I have into her. 
A really sweet boat. My 3 year old misses her almost as much as I do. 

 

The listing is here:

 

http://m.yachtworld.com/mobile/boats/1985/C-%26-C-37-2764228/Lower/CT/United-States

 

I've really enjoyed the list, been a big help sorting out the boat. And for 
just two years the bankers might laugh at me but I loved every minute if it. 

 

I hope you all keep enjoying your C&C's!

 

Bill Hall

Starfire 

1985 C&C 37

Stamford, CT

617 620 9078

 

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Stus-List San Francisco sailing opportunities this weekend

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

My wife and I are in San Francisco for the weekend and wondered if anyone would 
be out on the water today Saturday or tomorrow Sunday. If you have room on deck 
our need a grinder we would be happy to get out on the water. 

Off course if you are traveling through Portland we would be happy to get 
another listener out.

Best
KeVin
5038753493
C&C 30 mkII
Portland, Or
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Re: Stus-List Fwd: C&C 37/40 + Pricing (

[Ken Heaton via CnC-List]

Hey Edd,

Looks pretty much the same to me, I'm guessing perhaps an inch or two less
so perhaps 4' 9" of draft for the CB rudder?

Boat haul-out dates at the Ben Eoin Yacht Cub have been set for October 4
and October 18.  Too soon...

Ken H.

On 27 September 2014 11:03, Edd Schillay  wrote:

> Ken,
>
> Never measured the draft of the rudder on the Enterprise, but I would say
> it’s very close to the keel depth of 4.92 feet. When the boat out of the
> water and the keel is on blocks, the rudder is pretty close to ground.
>
> I can measure it for you when the boat hauls in 2 weeks :-(
>
>
> All the best,
>
> Edd
>
>
> Edd M. Schillay
> Starship Enterprise
> C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
> City Island, NY
> Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log 
>
> On Sep 27, 2014, at 9:33 AM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> I intended to send this to the list and didn't hit "Reply to All", whoops.
>
> Ken H.
>
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Ken Heaton 
> Date: 27 September 2014 09:20
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37/40 + Pricing (
> To: John Pennie 
>
>
> That isn't actually true John.  The draft of the rudder in those drawings
> is 5' 6".  The draft of the CB version's keel is listed at 4' 11" so the CB
> version has to use a shorter rudder.  Perhaps Ed can tell us the draft of
> the rudder on the Enterprise?
>
> Here is a photo of the CB version:
> http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-w_2kz_b_09w/Tca8kZgc_SI/Bdg/PhjJ2NEmq2I/s1600/photo.JPG
>
> Full Keel version here:
> https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-doNhtyaGUq4/TX__SDQGyKI/O-Y/IcZ6dV4z9oU/w1534-h1023-no/20101121_Salazar%2Bin%2BCradle_0013.JPG
>
> Ken H.
>
> On 26 September 2014 23:35, John Pennie  wrote:
>
>> Great comparison.  More interesting - take a look at the rudder.  In all
>> cases they have the shoal draft rudder which would work with the
>> centerboard model.  This is the same thing we saw on our 51 of similar
>> vintage.  Apparently they would change the keel but not alter the rudder.
>> Rob Ball hand some interesting thoughts on that when I spoke to him in the
>> early 2000’s about redesigning the rudder.  Curious if that is just
>> drawings or in fact held true in production.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 9:19 PM, Ken Heaton via CnC-List <
>> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>>
>> Take a look at the three illustrations linked below:
>>
>> This is the drawing for the 37+ (also known as the 37/40+, and after
>> 1992, the 40+)
>>
>> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5997
>>
>> Notice the "Beaver Tail" on the bottom of the keel.  This is the 7' 3"
>> (or 4") draft keel.
>>
>> Now look at this one.  This is the 37XL, (also known as the 37/40XL, and
>> after 1992, the 40XL)
>>
>> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=5998
>>
>> Notice it is a bit deeper and has no "Beaver Tail" and has somewhere
>> between 7' 10" to 8' 2" of draft.
>>
>> Finally, the 37R (also known as the 37/40R)
>>
>> http://sailboatdata.com/viewrecord.asp?class_id=2563
>>
>> Same keel as the XL, more or less.
>>
>> The wing keels were fitted to both the 37+ and XL if you ordered it that
>> way.  Same for the Centreboard Keel as far as I know.
>>
>> I have photos online somewhere, I'll have a look.
>>
>> Ken H.
>>
>>
>>
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Stus-List Battery Charger

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Anyone have suggestions about which brand of battery charger I should look at?  

I am replacing a 23 yr old Freedom/Heart 50 amp charger/inverter.  

Will probably go to a 40 or 50 amp charger only and get a separate 1000 watt 
inverter.

Stephen Thorne
C&C 34+
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Stus-List C&C 37/40 + Pricing

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

When we first saw Alera she was on the hard in November at Niagara on 
the Lake.  We had settled on getting a 37+ and all of the ones here 
in the PNW were problematic, including Paikea, which we put an offer 
on that failed the sea trial (over 3 years later she is still for 
sale).  Doing a servey on the hard without a sea trial or even and 
engine start was stupid, but she only had 480 hours on the engine and 
in inspection looked pretty much brand new.  Besides, I was in love 
and would not listen to reason.  So, we agreed on a price, I got what 
could only be described as a superficial survey (but it was from Gert 
Tiel!) and pulled the trigger.  She didn't get out to Seattle unti 
the following February, but I have had no regrets.


She has a fin keel with a 5'6" draft 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/37365243@N00/616609/in/set-72157629350057893


She points well and handles great, though I don't really have 
anything comparable to compare her to.


That said, my advice is to make sure y0u get a solid understanding of 
the costs to get the boat into the condition you find acceptable and 
push the price as low as possible.  Seems that all things considered, 
you're be looking  a a great deal of work and a refit that could 
possibly cost as much as 30-40k.  This puts the value of the boat at 
around 50K...though that is going to be a tough sell.  Doing a worst 
case restoration budget and putting in front of the broker might help 
you get the best deal.


One things for sure, I am totally pleased with Alera and it's hard to 
find any 37+ owner that's not still in love with their vessel.


Tom B


At 07:14 AM 9/27/2014, you wrote:

From: Ken Heaton 
Date: 27 September 2014 09:20
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 37/40 + Pricing (
To: John Pennie 


That isn't actually true John.  The draft of the rudder in those 
drawings is 5' 6".  The draft of the CB version's keel is listed at 
4' 11" so the CB version has to use a shorter rudder.  Perhaps Ed 
can tell us the draft of the rudder on the Enterprise?


Here is a photo of the CB version: 
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-w_2kz_b_09w/Tca8kZgc_SI/Bdg/PhjJ2NEmq2I/s1600/photo.JPG


Full Keel version here: 
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-doNhtyaGUq4/TX__SDQGyKI/O-Y/IcZ6dV4z9oU/w1534-h1023-no/20101121_Salazar%2Bin%2BCradle_0013.JPG


Ken H.

On 26 September 2014 23:35, John Pennie  wrote:
Great comparison.  More interesting - take a look at the rudder.  In 
all cases they have the shoal draft rudder which would work with the 
centerboard model.  This is the same thing we saw on our 51 of 
similar vintage.  Apparently they would change the keel but not 
alter the rudder.  Rob Ball hand some interesting thoughts on that 
when I spoke to him in the early 2000?s about redesigning the 
rudder.  Curious if that is just drawings or in fact held true in production.


John



Tom Buscaglia
SV Alera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon Island WA
(206) 463-9200
www.sv-alera.com
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Re: Stus-List Battery Charger

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

I have been very happy with my ProMariner, although I think you'll be 
happy with any of these new solid state chargers.  You'll also get some 
waterline back.   Separating the charger and inverter is a great 
idea. I'm glad I wired the boat for that, even though I had a Heart 
Freedom at the time.


The Sterling charger is the exact same thing under a different brand and 
might be cheaper. 



If the integral echo charger in your Freedom still works, pull the case 
off and remove the echo charger.  It's on a little heat sink of its own, 
and comes out with four screws.  It's worth money or gift karma points, 
even if you don't need it yourself.


I kept my Link 2000-R monitor, and the shunts and everything.

I'd also recommend the remote control panel for the nav station. I 
didn't get it, because it's not available in Mexico, and because my 
charger's mounted under the nav station and it's no big deal to look 
down and see the front panel.  There might be more configuration options 
available with the remote panel -- don't know.  The only thing I don't 
like -- and it's really minor -- is that it gets fooled easily by house 
loads and thus doesn't drop into float mode when I think it should.  
That's just the way I use it, though, since I'll fire up the Honda 2000 
when on the hook, and when I do that I'll run the watermaker and defrost 
the freezer which makes the compressor run max RPM, and so on.  That 
makes the charger think that the batteries are still accepting 15 amps 
when actually they're full.  No big deal.


Wal

Stephen wrote:

Anyone have suggestions about which brand of battery charger I should look at?

I am replacing a 23 yr old Freedom/Heart 50 amp charger/inverter.

Will probably go to a 40 or 50 amp charger only and get a separate 1000 watt 
inverter.



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Re: Stus-List Battery Charger

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

+1 on the ProNauticP

http://promariner.com/products/dry-mount-marine-battery-chargers/pronauticp-series/

I have been very happy with my 60amp 3 bank version.  It is buried in the
boat so I got the remote operating panel too.  I recommend it.

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Sep 27, 2014 1:21 PM, "Stephen Thorne via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>
> Anyone have suggestions about which brand of battery charger I should look
> at?
>
> I am replacing a 23 yr old Freedom/Heart 50 amp charger/inverter.
>
> Will probably go to a 40 or 50 amp charger only and get a separate 1000
> watt inverter.
>
> Stephen Thorne
> C&C 34+
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Stus-List c&c 43 custom design by cuthbertson&cassian 1966

[Jimmy Kelly via CnC-List]

it sure is a c&c  ...one done for prominent yachtman of the timesailed
on her 1970..was greatlater raced against her.on redline 41two
great performance yachts...still competative in phrf racing..price appears
very reasonable
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Re: Stus-List Battery Charger

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Choose the max charging amps as a percentage of the smallest battery bank
capacity.

Wet cell = 25%  (200amp-hour = 50amp charger)
Gell cell = 30%
AGM = 40%

Josh
 On Sep 27, 2014 1:21 PM, "Stephen Thorne via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
>
> Anyone have suggestions about which brand of battery charger I should look
> at?
>
> I am replacing a 23 yr old Freedom/Heart 50 amp charger/inverter.
>
> Will probably go to a 40 or 50 amp charger only and get a separate 1000
> watt inverter.
>
> Stephen Thorne
> C&C 34+
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Stus-List C&C in Montevideo Uruguay

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Anybody know this boat?

We saw it on a recent trip to Uraguay.  It is US flagged and I think I
recall Delaware on the transom.

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yRXdscnhWQnlYSFk/edit?usp=docslist_api

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
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Stus-List Battery charger

[Patrick Wesley via CnC-List]

Helped by comments from the list I recently had a ProMariner installed. The 
installer placed it vertically and I thought nothing of this until I read the 
manual. On page 13 it clearly states "install horizontally". Spoke to their 
help line technician, he said only requirement is for plenty of air circulation 
to dissipate the hydrogen produced during charging. So why print the vertical 
requirement!?

Btw, seems to be working well. 

Patrick Wesley, The Boat. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Anybody know this boat?
> 
> We saw it on a recent trip to Uraguay.  It is US flagged and I think I recall 
> Delaware on the transom.
> 
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yRXdscnhWQnlYSFk/edit?usp=docslist_api
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List Battery charger

[Josh Muckley via CnC-List]

Seems odd.  Hydrogen is produced at/in the batteries not the charger.  The
two could be (in my case are) separated by a significant distance.

I must have missed that in the instructions.  (Would have helped if I read
them.)  Mine is installed vertically with no problems.  Ventilation is not
horrible but could be better...still no problems.

Josh
On Sep 27, 2014 6:19 PM, "Patrick Wesley"  wrote:

> Helped by comments from the list I recently had a ProMariner installed.
> The installer placed it vertically and I thought nothing of this until I
> read the manual. On page 13 it clearly states "install horizontally". Spoke
> to their help line technician, he said only requirement is for plenty of
> air circulation to dissipate the hydrogen produced during charging. So why
> print the vertical requirement!?
>
> Btw, seems to be working well.
>
> Patrick Wesley, The Boat.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Anybody know this boat?
>
> We saw it on a recent trip to Uraguay.  It is US flagged and I think I
> recall Delaware on the transom.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yRXdscnhWQnlYSFk/edit?usp=docslist_api
>
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
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Re: Stus-List 1985 C&c37 fs in Stamford ct

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Wow thanks those are bad. I'll ask the broker to get some good ones. 



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> On Sep 27, 2014, at 10:21 AM, Rick Taillieu via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nice boat Bill but do yourself a favour and have someone with a decent camera 
> re-take the photos.
> Those ones are horrible and don’t do the boat justice.
>  
> Good luck with the sale.
>  
> Rick Taillieu
> Nemesis
> '75 C&C 25  #371
> Shearwater Yacht Club
> Halifax, NS.
>  
>  
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of William D. 
> Hall via CnC-List
> Sent: September-26-14 22:48
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> Subject: Stus-List 1985 C&c37 fs in Stamford ct
>  
> All,
> It's with a sad heart I list our boat. I bought her just 2 years ago and 
> racked up some big yard bills, thinking we'd have her forever. Now we're 
> moving to Cincinnati for work and it just doesn't make sense to manage a boat 
> from afar. So I'm listing her for what I paid for her, about half of what I 
> have into her. A really sweet boat. My 3 year old misses her almost as much 
> as I do. 
>  
> The listing is here:
>  
> http://m.yachtworld.com/mobile/boats/1985/C-%26-C-37-2764228/Lower/CT/United-States
>  
> I've really enjoyed the list, been a big help sorting out the boat. And for 
> just two years the bankers might laugh at me but I loved every minute if it. 
>  
> I hope you all keep enjoying your C&C's!
>  
> Bill Hall
> Starfire 
> 1985 C&C 37
> Stamford, CT
> 617 620 9078
> 
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Re: Stus-List Battery charger

[Patrick Wesley via CnC-List]

Josh, you are course correct. I was focusing more on the irrelevant wording in 
the manual. Patrick 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2014, at 3:43 PM, Josh Muckley  wrote:
> 
> Seems odd.  Hydrogen is produced at/in the batteries not the charger.  The 
> two could be (in my case are) separated by a significant distance.
> 
> I must have missed that in the instructions.  (Would have helped if I read 
> them.)  Mine is installed vertically with no problems.  Ventilation is not 
> horrible but could be better...still no problems.
> 
> Josh
> 
>> On Sep 27, 2014 6:19 PM, "Patrick Wesley"  wrote:
>> Helped by comments from the list I recently had a ProMariner installed. The 
>> installer placed it vertically and I thought nothing of this until I read 
>> the manual. On page 13 it clearly states "install horizontally". Spoke to 
>> their help line technician, he said only requirement is for plenty of air 
>> circulation to dissipate the hydrogen produced during charging. So why print 
>> the vertical requirement!?
>> 
>> Btw, seems to be working well. 
>> 
>> Patrick Wesley, The Boat. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 27, 2014, at 2:20 PM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Anybody know this boat?
>>> 
>>> We saw it on a recent trip to Uraguay.  It is US flagged and I think I 
>>> recall Delaware on the transom.
>>> 
>>> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B8pEh5lnvP1yRXdscnhWQnlYSFk/edit?usp=docslist_api
>>> 
>>> Josh Muckley
>>> S/V Sea Hawk
>>> 1989 C&C 37+
>>> Solomons, MD
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