Re: Stus-List remove head sink on c n c 32?

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

My 35/3 has a molded insert for the vanity, sink etc.  Working on the pump
is a PIA!  I've had to replace the pump twice in the last 2 years.  The
Jabsco pumps with the quick release hose fittings make it a little less
painful.   My only advice is to get a good cushion to kneel on and a wide
angle flashlight.

Joel


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 12:23 PM, McElwreath, Daniel via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>  Before going in the water this Spring I replaced all the  waste hose and
> ran thru the vanity in head.  This week I had to rebuild the par shower
> drain pump so I had to remove that.  My question:  Can the head sink be
> removed to allow access?  Working thru the small vanity door is an absolute
> BEAR.  I have been reluctant to try and put the pump back, only because it
> is such a pain.  I was even thinking of cutting the vanity wall out,
> including the little door, and then reglassing when finished.  But I know
> what that would look like.  Thanks for any advice.  Dan Mc on Tively II in
> City Island, NY
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Re: Stus-List remove head sink on c n c 32?

[David Jacobs via CnC-List]

 

 

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McElwreath, Daniel via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List remove head sink on c n c 32?

 

Before going in the water this Spring I replaced all the  waste hose and ran
thru the vanity in head.  This week I had to rebuild the par shower drain
pump so I had to remove that.  My question:  Can the head sink be removed to
allow access?  Working thru the small vanity door is an absolute BEAR.  I
have been reluctant to try and put the pump back, only because it is such a
pain.  I was even thinking of cutting the vanity wall out, including the
little door, and then reglassing when finished.  But I know what that would
look like.  Thanks for any advice.  Dan Mc on Tively II in City Island, NY

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Re: Stus-List remove head sink on c n c 32?

[John Russo via CnC-List]

I would try removing the door to the vanity and the door to the head to
allow alternate access angles and plenty of padding as has been suggested. I
have approached this lying on my side.

 

John

Arpeggio

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Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 10:32 AM
To: 'McElwreath, Daniel'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List remove head sink on c n c 32?

 

 

 

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McElwreath, Daniel via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 12:24 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List remove head sink on c n c 32?

 

Before going in the water this Spring I replaced all the  waste hose and ran
thru the vanity in head.  This week I had to rebuild the par shower drain
pump so I had to remove that.  My question:  Can the head sink be removed to
allow access?  Working thru the small vanity door is an absolute BEAR.  I
have been reluctant to try and put the pump back, only because it is such a
pain.  I was even thinking of cutting the vanity wall out, including the
little door, and then reglassing when finished.  But I know what that would
look like.  Thanks for any advice.  Dan Mc on Tively II in City Island, NY

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Stus-List Sailcloth - Cruising Laminate

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Hello all

I was taking my summer hiatus from the list but something has come up…

For financial reasons I had delayed new sails this winter.  Just too many other 
projects going on.  Browsing Bacon’s listings I came across a jib (130%) which 
is virtually new.  Dimensions are near perfect, luff tape is the correct size, 
suncover is on the correct side and even the right color.  I know Bacon well 
and have no concerns there.  Here’s the rub…

The sail is listed as a “cruise laminate” by Quantum.  Again I have no concerns 
with either of those pieces of information.  Would love to know what the the 
laminate is but that information is not available.  Assume some blend of 
polyester, mylar and something for strength.  My concern is that cloth weight 
is listed as 4.75 ounce.  This for a 40’ boat with a tall rig.  Even by Long 
Island Sound standards that seems terribly light.  Price is now down to just 
over 1/3 the price of a new sail.  Any thoughts?

John


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Re: Stus-List Sailcloth - Cruising Laminate

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

I bought a Pentax sail from Quantum Port Washington for my C&C 29 considered 
cruising sail.  Might be Pentax.  Jerry. C&C 27 v J&J.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 29, 2014, at 8:15 PM, John Pennie via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all
> 
> I was taking my summer hiatus from the list but something has come up…
> 
> For financial reasons I had delayed new sails this winter.  Just too many 
> other projects going on.  Browsing Bacon’s listings I came across a jib 
> (130%) which is virtually new.  Dimensions are near perfect, luff tape is the 
> correct size, suncover is on the correct side and even the right color.  I 
> know Bacon well and have no concerns there.  Here’s the rub…
> 
> The sail is listed as a “cruise laminate” by Quantum.  Again I have no 
> concerns with either of those pieces of information.  Would love to know what 
> the the laminate is but that information is not available.  Assume some blend 
> of polyester, mylar and something for strength.  My concern is that cloth 
> weight is listed as 4.75 ounce.  This for a 40’ boat with a tall rig.  Even 
> by Long Island Sound standards that seems terribly light.  Price is now down 
> to just over 1/3 the price of a new sail.  Any thoughts?
> 
> John
> 
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Re: Stus-List Sailcloth - Cruising Laminate

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

‎Here:
http://www.dimension-polyant.com/en/Laminate_Cruising_2_3_1.php

It's high tech / lightweight s*#t, so it's going to be much lighter than Dacron.
I bought a full laminate genoa last season - it's half the Weight (...or less) 
of my old Dacron 135%.
Cruising laminate is going to be somewhere in between.

So with a bit of research you can determine if it's going to hold up.

A word of warning - don't know about cruising laminate, but regular high tech 
sails don't slowly blow out over time like Dacron ‎- they suddenly explode!

sam :-)
  Original Message  
From: John Pennie via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:15 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Reply To: John Pennie
Subject: Stus-List Sailcloth - Cruising Laminate

Hello all

I was taking my summer hiatus from the list but something has come up…

For financial reasons I had delayed new sails this winter. Just too many other 
projects going on. Browsing Bacon’s listings I came across a jib (130%) which 
is virtually new. Dimensions are near perfect, luff tape is the correct size, 
suncover is on the correct side and even the right color. I know Bacon well and 
have no concerns there. Here’s the rub…

The sail is listed as a “cruise laminate” by Quantum. Again I have no concerns 
with either of those pieces of information. Would love to know what the the 
laminate is but that information is not available. Assume some blend of 
polyester, mylar and something for strength. My concern is that cloth weight is 
listed as 4.75 ounce. This for a 40’ boat with a tall rig. Even by Long Island 
Sound standards that seems terribly light. Price is now down to just over 1/3 
the price of a new sail. Any thoughts?

John


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Re: Stus-List Sailcloth - Cruising Laminate

[davidrisch75 via CnC-List]

Yea they explode.  Boy do they explode. 8k of carbon fibre explode.  2 seasons 
and a lifetime  of lessons.  Never again

1981 40-2.


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 Original message From: Sam Salter via CnC-List 
 Date:07/29/2014  9:38 PM  (GMT-05:00) 
To: CnC  Subject: Re: Stus-List 
Sailcloth - Cruising Laminate 

‎Here:
http://www.dimension-polyant.com/en/Laminate_Cruising_2_3_1.php

It's high tech / lightweight s*#t, so it's going to be much lighter than Dacron.
I bought a full laminate genoa last season - it's half the Weight (...or less) 
of my old Dacron 135%.
Cruising laminate is going to be somewhere in between.

So with a bit of research you can determine if it's going to hold up.

A word of warning - don't know about cruising laminate, but regular high tech 
sails don't slowly blow out over time like Dacron ‎- they suddenly explode!

sam :-)
  Original Message
From: John Pennie via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:15 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Reply To: John Pennie
Subject: Stus-List Sailcloth - Cruising Laminate

Hello all

I was taking my summer hiatus from the list but something has come up…

For financial reasons I had delayed new sails this winter. Just too many other 
projects going on. Browsing Bacon’s listings I came across a jib (130%) which 
is virtually new. Dimensions are near perfect, luff tape is the correct size, 
suncover is on the correct side and even the right color. I know Bacon well and 
have no concerns there. Here’s the rub…

The sail is listed as a “cruise laminate” by Quantum. Again I have no concerns 
with either of those pieces of information. Would love to know what the the 
laminate is but that information is not available. Assume some blend of 
polyester, mylar and something for strength. My concern is that cloth weight is 
listed as 4.75 ounce. This for a 40’ boat with a tall rig. Even by Long Island 
Sound standards that seems terribly light. Price is now down to just over 1/3 
the price of a new sail. Any thoughts?

John


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Re: Stus-List Sailcloth - Cruising Laminate

[John Pennie via CnC-List]

Thanks folks. So its very light, worry of mold followed by a big bang?  So a 
little more than  half the weight of what one would normally expect in Dacron 
is the norm?

John

On Jul 29, 2014, at 9:38 PM, Sam Salter via CnC-List  
wrote:

> ‎Here:
> http://www.dimension-polyant.com/en/Laminate_Cruising_2_3_1.php
> 
> It's high tech / lightweight s*#t, so it's going to be much lighter than 
> Dacron.
> I bought a full laminate genoa last season - it's half the Weight (...or 
> less) of my old Dacron 135%.
> Cruising laminate is going to be somewhere in between.
> 
> So with a bit of research you can determine if it's going to hold up.
> 
> A word of warning - don't know about cruising laminate, but regular high tech 
> sails don't slowly blow out over time like Dacron ‎- they suddenly explode!
> 
> sam :-)
>   Original Message  
> From: John Pennie via CnC-List
> Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:15 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Reply To: John Pennie
> Subject: Stus-List Sailcloth - Cruising Laminate
> 
> Hello all
> 
> I was taking my summer hiatus from the list but something has come up…
> 
> For financial reasons I had delayed new sails this winter. Just too many 
> other projects going on. Browsing Bacon’s listings I came across a jib (130%) 
> which is virtually new. Dimensions are near perfect, luff tape is the correct 
> size, suncover is on the correct side and even the right color. I know Bacon 
> well and have no concerns there. Here’s the rub…
> 
> The sail is listed as a “cruise laminate” by Quantum. Again I have no 
> concerns with either of those pieces of information. Would love to know what 
> the the laminate is but that information is not available. Assume some blend 
> of polyester, mylar and something for strength. My concern is that cloth 
> weight is listed as 4.75 ounce. This for a 40’ boat with a tall rig. Even by 
> Long Island Sound standards that seems terribly light. Price is now down to 
> just over 1/3 the price of a new sail. Any thoughts?
> 
> John
> 
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Re: Stus-List Sailcloth - Cruising Laminate

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

John,

The Quantum cruising laminate that they sell now has alight layer of dacron
to add UV protection to the mylar film.  I could look at it for you, but I
am a lousy judge of old sails.  The weight is probably the weight of the
dacron and has nothing to do with strength.

Joel

On Tuesday, July 29, 2014, John Pennie via CnC-List 
wrote:

> Hello all
>
> I was taking my summer hiatus from the list but something has come up…
>
> For financial reasons I had delayed new sails this winter.  Just too many
> other projects going on.  Browsing Bacon’s listings I came across a jib
> (130%) which is virtually new.  Dimensions are near perfect, luff tape is
> the correct size, suncover is on the correct side and even the right color.
>  I know Bacon well and have no concerns there.  Here’s the rub…
>
> The sail is listed as a “cruise laminate” by Quantum.  Again I have no
> concerns with either of those pieces of information.  Would love to know
> what the the laminate is but that information is not available.  Assume
> some blend of polyester, mylar and something for strength.  My concern is
> that cloth weight is listed as 4.75 ounce.  This for a 40’ boat with a tall
> rig.  Even by Long Island Sound standards that seems terribly light.  Price
> is now down to just over 1/3 the price of a new sail.  Any thoughts?
>
> John
>
>
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Stus-List Looking for sails

[Stephen Thorne via CnC-List]

Fellow C&C'rs,

I am in the market for a new suit of sails for my 1990 34+.  I like what I have 
read about UK Tape Drive sails and was wondering if anyone has owned this brand 
and could give feedback?  

Also I would consider a used set of racing sails if anyone has a set for this 
particular model.  

Stephen Thorne
C&C 34+
Deja Vu



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>   2.  tight reaching (Pete Shelquist)
>   3. Re:  tight reaching (Josh Muckley)
>   4. Re:  tight reaching (Chuck S)
>   5. Re:  tight reaching (cenel...@aol.com)
>   6. Re:  tight reaching (Andrew Burton)
>   7. Re:  Stus-Maine Cruise (Richard N. Bush)
>   8. Re:  Stus-Maine Cruise (davidrisch75)
>   9. Re:  tight reaching (Dennis C.)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2014 16:23:43 +
> From: "McElwreath, Daniel" 
> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> Subject: Stus-List remove head sink on c n c 32?
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> 
> Before going in the water this Spring I replaced all the  waste hose and ran 
> thru the vanity in head.  This week I had to rebuild the par shower drain 
> pump so I had to remove that.  My question:  Can the head sink be removed to 
> allow access?  Working thru the small vanity door is an absolute BEAR.  I 
> have been reluctant to try and put the pump back, only because it is such a 
> pain.  I was even thinking of cutting the vanity wall out, including the 
> little door, and then reglassing when finished.  But I know what that would 
> look like.  Thanks for any advice.  Dan Mc on Tively II in City Island, NY
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> From: "Pete Shelquist" 
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> I recently had a mid-distance race in which a majority of the race was tight
> reaching in flat water, 10-15 breeze.   We had our heavy #1 up.  A number of
> boats (C&C39, C&C38, Sabre 36, Tarten Ten) worked up on us pretty well in
> those conditions.   I obviously need to trim the sails differently and am
> looking for suggestions.
> 
> 
> 
> We mostly eased the sheet and moved the car forward, but we did try barber
> hauling.  We did not try bringing the clew right out to the toe rail.  
> 
> 
> 
> Any thoughts or suggestions is appreciated.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> 
> Pete
> 
> 1984 C&C 37
> 
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> To: "C&C List" ,   Pete Shelquist
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> How much backstay?  How much babystay?  How tight was the outhaul and
> halyards?  Speed bubble in the main?  How much heel?  How much rudder?  How
> much weight on board?  Crew hiking out?  When was the bottom last cleaned?
> What type of paint?  You might need to come off the wind just a few degrees
> and/or let the sails breath just a bit.
> 
> At 10-15 kts you should have been able to reach hull speed...~6-7kts.  If
> not then something was wrong.  You might even want to consider a #2 if you
> were being blown over too much.
> 
> As you can see there is just no simple answer.  Keep racing and you'll
> learn all of those minute characteristics.
> 
> Happy to discuss off list.
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> On Jul 27, 2014 1:02 PM, "Pete Shelquist via CnC-List" <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
> 
>> I recently had a mid-distance race in which a majority of the race was
>> tight reaching in flat water, 10-15 breeze.   We had our heavy #1 up.  A
>> number of boats (C&C39, C&C38, Sabre 36, Tarten Ten) worked up on us

Re: Stus-List Sailcloth - Cruising Laminate

[coltrek via CnC-List]

Careful Dave, I got yelled at for talking like that!

Bill Coleman
C&C 39



 Original message From: davidrisch75 via 
CnC-List  Date:07/29/2014  9:49 PM  
(GMT-05:00) To: sam.c.sal...@gmail.com, CnC  
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sailcloth - Cruising Laminate 
Yea they explode.  Boy do they explode. 8k of carbon fibre explode.  2 
seasons and a lifetime  of lessons.  Never again

1981 40-2.  


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 Original message 
From: Sam Salter via CnC-List
Date:07/29/2014 9:38 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: CnC
Subject: Re: Stus-List Sailcloth - Cruising Laminate

‎Here:
http://www.dimension-polyant.com/en/Laminate_Cruising_2_3_1.php

It's high tech / lightweight s*#t, so it's going to be much lighter than Dacron.
I bought a full laminate genoa last season - it's half the Weight (...or less) 
of my old Dacron 135%.
Cruising laminate is going to be somewhere in between.

So with a bit of research you can determine if it's going to hold up.

A word of warning - don't know about cruising laminate, but regular high tech 
sails don't slowly blow out over time like Dacron ‎- they suddenly explode!

sam :-)
  Original Message  
From: John Pennie via CnC-List
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2014 6:15 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Reply To: John Pennie
Subject: Stus-List Sailcloth - Cruising Laminate

Hello all

I was taking my summer hiatus from the list but something has come up…

For financial reasons I had delayed new sails this winter. Just too many other 
projects going on. Browsing Bacon’s listings I came across a jib (130%) which 
is virtually new. Dimensions are near perfect, luff tape is the correct size, 
suncover is on the correct side and even the right color. I know Bacon well and 
have no concerns there. Here’s the rub…

The sail is listed as a “cruise laminate” by Quantum. Again I have no concerns 
with either of those pieces of information. Would love to know what the the 
laminate is but that information is not available. Assume some blend of 
polyester, mylar and something for strength. My concern is that cloth weight is 
listed as 4.75 ounce. This for a 40’ boat with a tall rig. Even by Long Island 
Sound standards that seems terribly light. Price is now down to just over 1/3 
the price of a new sail. Any thoughts?

John


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