Re: Stus-List Play in the steering

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

Alan,

Are you able to reach all of the bolts through the access ports?  The nut
actually came off one of my forward bolts.  I'm going to try putting a nut
in a socket and hope I get lucky enough to have it catch.  I cant get my
hand in there.  (I was able to tighten the aft bolts.)  Any other
suggestions?

Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis


On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Alan Bergen via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

>
> David:
>
> Center the wheel and lock it in place with the brake.  Then tighten the
> four screws that hold the bearing around the rudder post to the cockpit
> floor.  You'll have to remove the helm seat in order to reach in through
> the access ports so you can hold the nuts with a wrench.  Once that is
> done, you can tighten the turnbuckles that are used to adjust the cable
> tension until you have the amount of play with which you are comfortable.
> You can reach the turnbuckles through the port cockpit locker, and possibly
> through the access panel in the back of the quarter berth.  Now would be a
> good time to check the cables to make sure they are not frayed.  Take a
> piece of facial tissue (Kleenex) and hold it loosely around the cable,
> while someone moves the wheel through it's full rotation.  If there is any
> fraying, the tissue will catch it, and it would be advisable to replace the
> cable.
>
> Alan Bergen
> 35 Mk III Thirsty
> Rose City YC
> Portland, OR
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Re: Stus-List Prop Grease

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

On my 35/3 it is set to 14 degrees.​  The Kanzai transmission is 2.6 to 1.
 The newer models can be adjusted under water.  The old ones cannot.

I agree that Fred Hutchinson is the best place to start.

Joel


On Mon, Jul 28, 2014 at 12:24 AM, Josh Muckley via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Some other things to consider.  Is the bottom clean?  It the 2000 rpm
> while tied to the dock?
>
> Josh
> On Jul 28, 2014 12:16 AM, "Bill Hoyne via CnC-List" 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>> I have a Max Prop of unknown diameter (forgot to measure when I had the
>> boat out of the water).  I also have a Volvo Penta 2003 and when I run the
>> engine in idle I get 3000+ RPM,s but when I run it in gear I only get
>> 1900-2000 RPM’s. I suspect the pitch is a little high. ( A dripless seal,
>> new shaft and cutless bering were installed last year and in the process
>> the max-prop was taken off and may not have been installed with the
>> original specs of which I don’t have from the PO.) My question in does
>> anybody out there know what the X,Y values should be for a typical C&C
>> MKII? I would like a starting point to compare what is in the prop now and
>> where I should head to. The other question is can I do thin in the water or
>> do I need to haul the boat?
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>>
>>
>>
>> *Bill Hoyne*
>> Mithrandir
>> ’74 C&C35 MkII
>> in Victoria,BC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 24, 2014, at 5:01 PM, Chuck S via CnC-List 
>> wrote:
>>
>> As stated before, I like to follow the manufacturer's recommendation and
>> use Lubriplate 130 AA for MaxProp.  It is a grease that works well on
>> bronze parts.  The base is the same for Lewmar winch grease.  I opened our
>> MaxProp this winter after 7 years on the boat, and found the metal clean,
>> bright gold in color, and shiny.  No oxidation at all.  Thanks, Lubriplate.
>>
>>
>>
>> Chuck
>> Resolute
>> 1990 C&C 34R
>> Broad Creek, Magothy River, Md
>>
>> --
>> *From: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
>> *To: *"CNC boat owners, cnc-list" 
>> *Sent: *Thursday, July 24, 2014 10:23:50 AM
>> *Subject: *Stus-List Prop Grease
>>
>> Subject change.
>>
>> Has anyone tried Krazy Grease, a waterproof grease in cartridges that is
>> advertised as being the greatest thing since short skirts?
>>
>> Might be good on MaxProps etc.
>>
>> See www.krazygrease.com
>>
>> Rich Knowles
>> INDIGO LF38
>> Halifax, NS.
>>
>>
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Re: Stus-List Prop Grease (Now Max-Prop settings)

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

I agree with Josh on contacting Hutch at PYI to get the best info. Your 
description of being unable to reach full RPM when in gear does sound like a 
reduction in pitch is called for.

I have changed the pitch on Calypso's MAX Prop several times including the 
original effort at installation.  For a few years I intentionally ran 10% over 
pitch to reduce cruise speed RPM.  Before we went around Vancouver Island 
(2011) I reduced pitch by one increment to be sure we could achieve full RPM 
(horsepower) when motoring into bigger waves and higher winds.  The reduction 
to cruise speed (at a smooth engine RPM) was about .2 knot with no measurable 
change in fuel consumption.

The MAX prop owner's manual has the chart that describes the X Y relationship 
to pitch.  I have heard tales of divers willing and able to change the pitch on 
a classic MAX prop underwater.  I would not attempt it myself and in the past 
set up a deal with a yard to haul and hold in the slings for the change then 
re-launch.  It may take several haul/launch cycles if you want to fully 
optimize the pitch.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh Muckley 
via CnC-List
Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:22 PM
To: C&C List; Bill Hoyne
Subject: Re: Stus-List Prop Grease (Now Max-Prop settings)


Bill,

Contact Fred "Hutch" Hutchinson at PYI.  He'll be able to tell you immediately 
where to start.

hu...@pyiinc.com

Josh Muckley
S/V Sea Hawk
1989 C&C 37+
Solomons, MD
On Jul 28, 2014 12:16 AM, "Bill Hoyne via CnC-List" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>> wrote:
Hi All,
I have a Max Prop of unknown diameter (forgot to measure when I had the boat 
out of the water).  I also have a Volvo Penta 2003 and when I run the engine in 
idle I get 3000+ RPM,s but when I run it in gear I only get 1900-2000 RPM's. I 
suspect the pitch is a little high. ( A dripless seal, new shaft and cutless 
bering were installed last year and in the process the max-prop was taken off 
and may not have been installed with the original specs of which I don't have 
from the PO.) My question in does anybody out there know what the X,Y values 
should be for a typical C&C MKII? I would like a starting point to compare what 
is in the prop now and where I should head to. The other question is can I do 
thin in the water or do I need to haul the boat?
Thanks,
Bill

Bill Hoyne
Mithrandir
'74 C&C35 MkII
in Victoria,BC

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Re: Stus-List Prop Grease (Now Max-Prop settings)

[Bill Hoyne via CnC-List]

I think that will be the plan of attack. 

On Jul 28, 2014, at 10:24 AM, Martin DeYoung via CnC-List 
 wrote:

> I agree with Josh on contacting Hutch at PYI to get the best info. Your 
> description of being unable to reach full RPM when in gear does sound like a 
> reduction in pitch is called for.
>  
> I have changed the pitch on Calypso’s MAX Prop several times including the 
> original effort at installation.  For a few years I intentionally ran 10% 
> over pitch to reduce cruise speed RPM.  Before we went around Vancouver 
> Island (2011) I reduced pitch by one increment to be sure we could achieve 
> full RPM (horsepower) when motoring into bigger waves and higher winds.  The 
> reduction to cruise speed (at a smooth engine RPM) was about .2 knot with no 
> measurable change in fuel consumption.
>  
> The MAX prop owner’s manual has the chart that describes the X Y relationship 
> to pitch.  I have heard tales of divers willing and able to change the pitch 
> on a classic MAX prop underwater.  I would not attempt it myself and in the 
> past set up a deal with a yard to haul and hold in the slings for the change 
> then re-launch.  It may take several haul/launch cycles if you want to fully 
> optimize the pitch.
>  
> Martin
> Calypso
> 1971 C&C 43
> Seattle
> 
> 
>  
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Josh 
> Muckley via CnC-List
> Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2014 9:22 PM
> To: C&C List; Bill Hoyne
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Prop Grease (Now Max-Prop settings)
>  
> Bill,
> 
> Contact Fred "Hutch" Hutchinson at PYI.  He'll be able to tell you 
> immediately where to start.
> 
> hu...@pyiinc.com
> 
> Josh Muckley
> S/V Sea Hawk
> 1989 C&C 37+
> Solomons, MD
> 
> On Jul 28, 2014 12:16 AM, "Bill Hoyne via CnC-List"  
> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I have a Max Prop of unknown diameter (forgot to measure when I had the boat 
> out of the water).  I also have a Volvo Penta 2003 and when I run the engine 
> in idle I get 3000+ RPM,s but when I run it in gear I only get 1900-2000 
> RPM’s. I suspect the pitch is a little high. ( A dripless seal, new shaft and 
> cutless bering were installed last year and in the process the max-prop was 
> taken off and may not have been installed with the original specs of which I 
> don’t have from the PO.) My question in does anybody out there know what the 
> X,Y values should be for a typical C&C MKII? I would like a starting point to 
> compare what is in the prop now and where I should head to. The other 
> question is can I do thin in the water or do I need to haul the boat? 
> Thanks,
> Bill
>  
> Bill Hoyne
> Mithrandir
> ’74 C&C35 MkII
> in Victoria,BC
>  
> 
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Re: Stus-List Play in the steering

[Wally Bryant via CnC-List]

I have a selection of ratchet extenders on board, from 12" to 3", and 
have used them more than once to place nuts on my boat.  Handy ratchet 
extenders, in my opinion, have rounded ends that allow a bit of play so 
you don't have to line up the ratchet just exactly perfect.  However, if 
you need more than one extender, it's best to only have one rounded one 
in the series, else it's hard to control.  I've also found it useful to 
stick a glob of masking tape, or chewing gum, in the socket to hold the 
nut in place.  I actually have a few sockets packed with glop and look 
at them fondly, although I can't remember when or why.


Wal

Joel wrote:

Are you able to reach all of the bolts through the access ports?  The nut
actually came off one of my forward bolts.  I'm going to try putting a nut
in a socket and hope I get lucky enough to have it catch.  I cant get my
hand in there.  (I was able to tighten the aft bolts.)  Any other
suggestions?




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Re: Stus-List Play in the steering

[Jake Brodersen via CnC-List]

Joel,

 

You might have to break down and go through the lazarette.  It’s really not 
that bad once you remove the port scupper drain.  I checked the screws on my 
rudder post.  They are all perfectly aligned with the boat centerline, just the 
way the factory left them.  Now I need to find out if the nuts are still tight!

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

“Midnight Mistress”

C&C 35 Mk-III

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson 
via CnC-List
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2014 9:36 AM
To: Alan Bergen; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Play in the steering

 

Alan,

 

Are you able to reach all of the bolts through the access ports?  The nut 
actually came off one of my forward bolts.  I'm going to try putting a nut in a 
socket and hope I get lucky enough to have it catch.  I cant get my hand in 
there.  (I was able to tighten the aft bolts.)  Any other suggestions? 

 

Joel

35/3

The Office

Annapolis

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