Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

Compare the following prices:

New main and job for the 30 and the 42. The 42 sails are going to be at least 
double if not triple.

Replacement engine for the 30 and 42. The A4 that most 30s have can be replaced 
with a used one for $2K or so and a Moyer rebuild is about $6K. I would think 
the 42 isn’t going for less than $15K. 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 8:50 PM
To: Ryan Beckett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!

 

Small boat, small systems. Manual pumps, small lines, small sails, less 
maintenance, smaller slip fees, etc.

 

Big boat, big systems.  Electric pumps, electric shower sump, big expensive 
lines and sails, increased dockage, propane gas systems and solenoids, etc.  
lots of expensive stuff to break and replace. 

 

Small boat, good feel for the water. Fun to sail. Easy to dock. Easy to 
see/feel changes in sail trim.  Dinghies are a blast to sail!

 

Big boat (even a C&C), less feel for the water, harder to dock.  May or may not 
see/feel changes in sail trim. 

 

Summary, smaller boat = all the fun of sailing with less hassle. 

 

Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Ryan Beckett via CnC-List mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com> > wrote:

Hi All,

 

I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the brand 
of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the boat a 
couple months. 

 

I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may have 
been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for about the 
same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! 

 

What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my impulsiveness 
and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a sport/lifestyle/hobby for 
me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for such a great price is 
tempting!!!

 

Warm Regards, 

 




Ryan S. Beckett

Partner & Co-Founder

561.301.6337 mobile

 

   

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Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!

[Danny Haughey via CnC-List]

I'd be concerned on condition.  The great price might be offset by the fact 
that is needs a lot.  42 is a big boat!  You're leaning to sail now?  I'm a big 
fan of starting small and working your way up!  you have a working boat now, 
why not just go with that for a while and learn how to sail?  I started boating 
in a 16 footer and my first sailboat was a 22 footer. Being swamped by people 
in big ass boats because they were oblivious to their surroundings makes me 
believe that all boaters should start in small boats to gain that perspective 
and consideration.  Of course, that's more for power boaters... short rant 
over!  LOL DannyLolitaViking 33Westport Point, MA

-- Original Message --
From: Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
To: 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2014 10:36:10 -0400


Compare the following prices:
New main and job for the 30 and the 42. The 42 sails are going to be at least 
double if not triple.
Replacement engine for the 30 and 42. The A4 that most 30s have can be replaced 
with a used one for $2K or so and a Moyer rebuild is about $6K. I would think 
the 42 isn’t going for less than $15K. 
 
 
Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com
 
Coquina
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 8:50 PM
To: Ryan Beckett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
 
Small boat, small systems. Manual pumps, small lines, small sails, less 
maintenance, smaller slip fees, etc.
 
Big boat, big systems.  Electric pumps, electric shower sump, big expensive 
lines and sails, increased dockage, propane gas systems and solenoids, etc.  
lots of expensive stuff to break and replace. 
 
Small boat, good feel for the water. Fun to sail. Easy to dock. Easy to 
see/feel changes in sail trim.  Dinghies are a blast to sail!
 
Big boat (even a C&C), less feel for the water, harder to dock.  May or may not 
see/feel changes in sail trim. 
 
Summary, smaller boat = all the fun of sailing with less hassle. 
 
Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Ryan Beckett via CnC-List  
wrote:
Hi All,
 
I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the brand 
of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the boat a 
couple months.
 
I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may have 
been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for about the 
same about of money that I have into my 30 footer!
 
What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my impulsiveness 
and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a sport/lifestyle/hobby for 
me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for such a great price is 
tempting!!!
 
Warm Regards,
 
 
Ryan S. Beckett
Partner & Co-Founder
561.301.6337 mobile
 

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Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!

[Rich Knowles via CnC-List]

But the bragging rights are priceless!!

Rich

> On Jul 5, 2014, at 11:36, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Compare the following prices:
> New main and job for the 30 and the 42. The 42 sails are going to be at least 
> double if not triple.
> Replacement engine for the 30 and 42. The A4 that most 30s have can be 
> replaced with a used one for $2K or so and a Moyer rebuild is about $6K. I 
> would think the 42 isn’t going for less than $15K.
>  
>  
> Joe Della Barba
> j...@dellabarba.com
>  
> Coquina
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
> via CnC-List
> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 8:50 PM
> To: Ryan Beckett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
>  
> Small boat, small systems. Manual pumps, small lines, small sails, less 
> maintenance, smaller slip fees, etc.
>  
> Big boat, big systems.  Electric pumps, electric shower sump, big expensive 
> lines and sails, increased dockage, propane gas systems and solenoids, etc.  
> lots of expensive stuff to break and replace. 
>  
> Small boat, good feel for the water. Fun to sail. Easy to dock. Easy to 
> see/feel changes in sail trim.  Dinghies are a blast to sail!
>  
> Big boat (even a C&C), less feel for the water, harder to dock.  May or may 
> not see/feel changes in sail trim. 
>  
> Summary, smaller boat = all the fun of sailing with less hassle. 
>  
> Dennis C.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Ryan Beckett via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
>  
> I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the brand 
> of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the boat 
> a couple months.
>  
> I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may 
> have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for 
> about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer!
>  
> What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my 
> impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a 
> sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for 
> such a great price is tempting!!!
>  
> Warm Regards,
>  
> 
> Ryan S. Beckett
> Partner & Co-Founder
> 561.301.6337 mobile
>  
> 
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Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

A 42'er that's going to cost what you have in a 30'er is going to have some
serious problems which are going to cost many many dollars and hours of
your life to fix.

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On 5 July 2014 07:54, Rich Knowles via CnC-List 
wrote:

> But the bragging rights are priceless!!
>
> Rich
>
> On Jul 5, 2014, at 11:36, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Compare the following prices:
>
> New main and job for the 30 and the 42. The 42 sails are going to be at
> least double if not triple.
>
> Replacement engine for the 30 and 42. The A4 that most 30s have can be
> replaced with a used one for $2K or so and a Moyer rebuild is about $6K. I
> would think the 42 isn’t going for less than $15K.
>
>
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
>
>
> Coquina
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com
> ] *On Behalf Of *Dennis C. via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Friday, July 04, 2014 8:50 PM
> *To:* Ryan Beckett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
>
>
>
> Small boat, small systems. Manual pumps, small lines, small sails, less
> maintenance, smaller slip fees, etc.
>
>
>
> Big boat, big systems.  Electric pumps, electric shower sump, big
> expensive lines and sails, increased dockage, propane gas systems and
> solenoids, etc.  lots of expensive stuff to break and replace.
>
>
>
> Small boat, good feel for the water. Fun to sail. Easy to dock. Easy to
> see/feel changes in sail trim.  Dinghies are a blast to sail!
>
>
>
> Big boat (even a C&C), less feel for the water, harder to dock.  May or
> may not see/feel changes in sail trim.
>
>
>
> Summary, smaller boat = all the fun of sailing with less hassle.
>
>
>
> Dennis C.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Ryan Beckett via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the
> brand of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned
> the boat a couple months.
>
>
>
> I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may
> have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for
> about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer!
>
>
>
> What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my
> impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a
> sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for
> such a great price is tempting!!!
>
>
>
> Warm Regards,
>
>
>
>
> *Ryan S. Beckett*
>
> *Partner & Co-Founder*
>
> *561.301.6337 <561.301.6337> mobile*
>
>
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Stus-List It's Official - Cygnet is born

[Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List]

Any chance you'll be able to show her off at the August Rendezvous? 

http://members.shaw.ca/cncrdv/

Tom Buscaglia
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Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!

[Andrew Burton via CnC-List]

I  like all the advice you're getting about mastering the smaller boat.
Your 30 isn't much different from the C&C 27 my father taught hundreds to
sail aboard in Victoria. She is a sweetheart of a boat that gives you
really good feedback when you make adjustments to your sails. Once you get
a good handle on sailing her, you'll be able to tell when the main or jib
needs to come in or be eased, just by the feel of the helm. You learn
faster on a smaller boat, too.

There is also the handling factor. It's much, much harder to stop a
42-footer than a 30, and much easier to do really expensive damage with the
bigger boat. you may be familiar with the Cube-Square Law: if you double
the dimensions, you quadruple the area and octuple the mass.

When I go offshore I will always pick a crewmember who has lots of
small-boat experience over one who has only sailed big boats. It scales up
easily, down; not so well. That being said, when you get comfortable with
the 30, by all means jump into a 42. Sure it's lots of extra work and
money, but personally I like working on my boat. I'm sure you will, too.

Andy
C&C 40
Peregrine



>
>


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Stus-List Charging problems 30-2 Yanmar 2 gm 20

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

On our anniversary sail up to Victoria, we pulled in to Gray's harbour, Wa
last night because the batteries are not charging. Looking for suggestions
of diagnosis / solutions. See below: thanks

The alternator belt was somewhat loose but I tightened it and no luck on
charging. Tested terminals on back of alternator and reading was same
before and after tightening... About 35 volts.

About to start this morning by checking / cleaning battery terminals and
other connections from alternator back. Hoping this could be the issue
because as I previously posted my starter has been giving me the clicks. I
have the faint glow on the Charging indicator lamp at the engine panel too.
I have a heart interface  "incharge " alternator regulator.

Any other suggestions?

Thanks
Kevin

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Re: Stus-List CnC-List Digest, Vol 102, Issue 6

[Ryan Beckett via CnC-List]

I did the Moyer rebuild already in my 30' and the 42' is 17,500 😳

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> But the bragging rights are priceless!!
>
> Rich
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> > On Jul 5, 2014, at 11:36, Joe Della Barba via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> >
> > Compare the following prices:
> > New main and job for the 30 and the 42. The 42 sails are going to be at
> least double if not triple.
> > Replacement engine for the 30 and 42. The A4 that most 30s have can be
> replaced with a used one for $2K or so and a Moyer rebuild is about $6K. I
> would think the 42 isn?t going for less than $15K.
> >
> >
> > Joe Della Barba
> > j...@dellabarba.com 
> >
> > Coquina
> > From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On
> Behalf Of Dennis C. via CnC-List
> > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 8:50 PM
> > To: Ryan Beckett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
> > Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!
> >
> > Small boat, small systems. Manual pumps, small lines, small sails, less
> maintenance, smaller slip fees, etc.
> >
> > Big boat, big systems.  Electric pumps, electric shower sump, big
> expensive lines and sails, increased dockage, propane gas systems and
> solenoids, etc.  lots of expensive stuff to break and replace.
> >
> > Small boat, good feel for the water. Fun to sail. Easy to dock. Easy to
> see/feel changes in sail trim.  Dinghies are a blast to sail!
> >
> > Big boat (even a C&C), less feel for the water, harder to dock.  May or
> may not see/feel changes in sail trim.
> >
> > Summary, smaller boat = all the fun of sailing with less hassle.
> >
> > Dennis C.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Ryan Beckett via CnC-List <
> cnc-list@cnc-list.com > wrote:
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the
> brand of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned
> the boat a couple months.
> >
> > I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer
> may have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me
> for about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer!
> >
> > What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my
> impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a
> sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for
> such a great price is tempting!!!
> >
> > Warm Regards,
> >
> >
> > Ryan S. Beckett
> > Partner & Co-Founder
> > 561.301.6337 mobile
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Re: Stus-List Charging problems 30-2 Yanmar 2 gm 20

[Jerome Tauber via CnC-List]

I f you have the old style Battery 1 - Battery2 - Both - switch you can blow 
out the alternator diodes by switching while the engine is running.   These 
diodes restrict the charging of the battery to DC.Before electricity can 
reach the battery, it must pass through the alternator's diodes, which are the 
most common cause of alternator failure. The diodes pass the electric current 
on to the positive battery cable, which eventually leads to the battery itself. 
However, the failure of the diodes to function properly will essentially 
disrupt this circuit.  Jerry
 

 

-Original Message-
From: Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
To: C&C List 
Sent: Sat, Jul 5, 2014 12:05 pm
Subject: Stus-List Charging problems 30-2 Yanmar 2 gm 20


On our anniversary sail up to Victoria, we pulled in to Gray's harbour, Wa last 
night because the batteries are not charging. Looking for suggestions of 
diagnosis / solutions. See below: thanks
The alternator belt was somewhat loose but I tightened it and no luck on 
charging. Tested terminals on back of alternator and reading was same before 
and after tightening... About 35 volts. 
About to start this morning by checking / cleaning battery terminals and other 
connections from alternator back. Hoping this could be the issue because as I 
previously posted my starter has been giving me the clicks. I have the faint 
glow on the Charging indicator lamp at the engine panel too. I have a heart 
interface  "incharge " alternator regulator. 
Any other suggestions?
Thanks
Kevin

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Re: Stus-List Charging problems 30-2 Yanmar 2 gm 20

[Joe Della Barba via CnC-List]

35 VOLTS?

Is your boat a 32 volt boat

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Kevin 
Driscoll via CnC-List
Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 12:04 PM
To: C&C List
Subject: Stus-List Charging problems 30-2 Yanmar 2 gm 20

 

On our anniversary sail up to Victoria, we pulled in to Gray's harbour, Wa last 
night because the batteries are not charging. Looking for suggestions of 
diagnosis / solutions. See below: thanks

The alternator belt was somewhat loose but I tightened it and no luck on 
charging. Tested terminals on back of alternator and reading was same before 
and after tightening... About 35 volts. 

About to start this morning by checking / cleaning battery terminals and other 
connections from alternator back. Hoping this could be the issue because as I 
previously posted my starter has been giving me the clicks. I have the faint 
glow on the Charging indicator lamp at the engine panel too. I have a heart 
interface  "incharge " alternator regulator. 

Any other suggestions?

Thanks
Kevin

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Re: Stus-List Atkins & Hoyle hatch

[Martin DeYoung via CnC-List]

Also try Hammerhead Marine Systems.  I had them rebuild three A&H hatches and 
was fully satisfied.  The owner worked at A&H before starting Hammerhead.

Martin
Calypso
1971 C&C 43
Seattle


From: CnC-List [cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] on behalf of Dennis C. via 
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Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2014 9:43 PM
To: blhick...@yahoo.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Atkins & Hoyle hatch

Try hatchrepair.com

Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 3, 2014, at 9:28 PM, Barbara Hickson Fellers via CnC-List 
>  wrote:
>
> Joel,
>  Ouch!  Sorry for your broken frame. Glad you made it home safe! Bet you had 
> a good time. Bermuda's great.
> But the Atkins will be happy to sell you a new hatch. I've been just trying 
> to rebed a new lens in my 200 frame and it's been a nightmare to deal with 
> A&H.
> Last Feb., I told them I needed new pass through gaskets and a new hatch 
> gasket for the 200 frame built in'76. What they sent was 2 plastic handle 
> sleeves and two rubber bushings and the hatch gasket. They did not tell me 
> that they had redesigned the newer pass thru handles with a counter drilled 
> hole that required different kinds of gasketing and that's what they sent. I 
> already had the cast acrylic lens drilled and shaped (bought and machined 
> locally) as per the old lens template. AND as I was dismantling (ok, 
> grappling with) the handles from the old lens, one of the outside round 
> handles broke flat in two. So I order another one bout $100 and when it 
> comes, it is not exactly the same size interior hole as the original. Could 
> someone at A&H given me a heads up about this when I explained in detail what 
> I was doing the second time I called?!  Yes I spoke to Brian. Later I spoke 
> to Eric. Brian had originally given me a quote of $900 to refurb my hatch 
> cover, replacing gasket, lens,
  and through handle gaskets while using my original handles. Did not include 
shipping from SC to Ontario. So to add insult to injury, while researching 
Sikaflex vs. Dow 795 to bed the frigging lens, I come across SelectPlastics in 
Baltimore. They'll refurb the hatch for $595, shipping not included.  At this 
point, I'm already in this for $450.
> I will buy another matching round exterior handle from them and I will find 
> gaskets from a local hardware store that will not leak. I will make this 
> work. I love sailing and I love my boat.  I will focus on that.  And Arthur 
> is not affecting us much here in the lowcountry. . The tarp 
> is holding up well over the empty forward hatch. Happy sailing y'all,
> Barbara H. Fellers
>
>
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>> To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
>> Subject: Stus-List AH 4000 Questions
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>> up and let go at random times. The other one is despite the gasket looking 
>> good, water gets in the computer box. I have to drain it every now and then 
>> or it starts shorting out the buttons and making it do random things. Anyone 
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>>
>> Joe Della Barba
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>> C&C 35 MK I
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Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!

[dwight via CnC-List]

Sorry guys; but there are some positives about owning a bigger boat none of
which have been mentioned.because of where I sail and what my sailing agenda
is about nowadays and at my age I wish I still had my C&C 30, which I
consider the best boat ever built for my venue and my sailing wishes.however
if the dude wants a Landfall 42 for whatever reason let him go for it.it's a
C&C and a good boat and it offers a lot for those who need a 42 footer to be
happy and for a single guy this boat may make him very happy especially if
he can get his close friends to help with sailing it and with upkeep.those
ones would be keepers in my humble opinion

 

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della
Barba via CnC-List
Sent: July 5, 2014 11:36 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!

 

Compare the following prices:

New main and job for the 30 and the 42. The 42 sails are going to be at
least double if not triple.

Replacement engine for the 30 and 42. The A4 that most 30s have can be
replaced with a used one for $2K or so and a Moyer rebuild is about $6K. I
would think the 42 isn't going for less than $15K. 

 

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

 

Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C.
via CnC-List
Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 8:50 PM
To: Ryan Beckett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!

 

Small boat, small systems. Manual pumps, small lines, small sails, less
maintenance, smaller slip fees, etc.

 

Big boat, big systems.  Electric pumps, electric shower sump, big expensive
lines and sails, increased dockage, propane gas systems and solenoids, etc.
lots of expensive stuff to break and replace. 

 

Small boat, good feel for the water. Fun to sail. Easy to dock. Easy to
see/feel changes in sail trim.  Dinghies are a blast to sail!

 

Big boat (even a C&C), less feel for the water, harder to dock.  May or may
not see/feel changes in sail trim. 

 

Summary, smaller boat = all the fun of sailing with less hassle. 

 

Dennis C.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Ryan Beckett via CnC-List
 wrote:

Hi All,

 

I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the
brand of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned
the boat a couple months. 

 

I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may
have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for
about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! 

 

What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my
impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a
sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for
such a great price is tempting!!!

 

Warm Regards, 

 




Ryan S. Beckett

Partner & Co-Founder

561.301.6337 mobile

 

   

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Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!

[Gary Nylander via CnC-List]

On the other hand. being a 30-1 owner for 20+ years, it is a boat which he 
and his sweetie can sail without additional help in most conditions. A bigger 
boat means more effort, maybe more people, more expense.

If he is looking for a party boat (bunches aboard for the weekend) then a 42 
would be a better deal, but for getting away for a cozy weekend and, as 
mentioned many times, the outlay for everything for a 30 is considerably less.

We haven't heard where he sails, what type of sailing he would like to do, etc. 
He didn't mention if he had had other boats in the past and is now deciding the 
cruising life is his goal or whatever he mentioned the Landfall, so I 
surmise he is interested in cruising, maybe in luxury, and in that case a 42 
would be a better deal. Live aboard???

I'm still a little suspicious of a 42 for the price of an early 30... problems?

But, his brand choice is a great one.

Gary 
30-1
Maryland
  - Original Message - 
  From: dwight via CnC-List 
  To: j...@dellabarba.com ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 2:08 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!


  Sorry guys; but there are some positives about owning a bigger boat none of 
which have been mentioned.because of where I sail and what my sailing agenda is 
about nowadays and at my age I wish I still had my C&C 30, which I consider the 
best boat ever built for my venue and my sailing wishes.however if the dude 
wants a Landfall 42 for whatever reason let him go for it.it's a C&C and a good 
boat and it offers a lot for those who need a 42 footer to be happy and for a 
single guy this boat may make him very happy especially if he can get his close 
friends to help with sailing it and with upkeep.those ones would be keepers in 
my humble opinion

   


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  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della 
Barba via CnC-List
  Sent: July 5, 2014 11:36 AM
  To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!

   

  Compare the following prices:

  New main and job for the 30 and the 42. The 42 sails are going to be at least 
double if not triple.

  Replacement engine for the 30 and 42. The A4 that most 30s have can be 
replaced with a used one for $2K or so and a Moyer rebuild is about $6K. I 
would think the 42 isn't going for less than $15K. 

   

   

  Joe Della Barba

  j...@dellabarba.com

   

  Coquina

  From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Dennis C. 
via CnC-List
  Sent: Friday, July 04, 2014 8:50 PM
  To: Ryan Beckett; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Talk some sense into me please!

   

  Small boat, small systems. Manual pumps, small lines, small sails, less 
maintenance, smaller slip fees, etc.

   

  Big boat, big systems.  Electric pumps, electric shower sump, big expensive 
lines and sails, increased dockage, propane gas systems and solenoids, etc.  
lots of expensive stuff to break and replace. 

   

  Small boat, good feel for the water. Fun to sail. Easy to dock. Easy to 
see/feel changes in sail trim.  Dinghies are a blast to sail!

   

  Big boat (even a C&C), less feel for the water, harder to dock.  May or may 
not see/feel changes in sail trim. 

   

  Summary, smaller boat = all the fun of sailing with less hassle. 

   

  Dennis C.

  Sent from my iPhone


  On Jul 4, 2014, at 12:59 PM, Ryan Beckett via CnC-List 
 wrote:

Hi All,

 

I am a new owner of a 1973 C&C 30 Mk1. I have fallen in a love with the 
brand of C&C and am really enjoying sailing even though I have only owned the 
boat a couple months. 

 

I am a single 31 year old guy, but I have been thinking a 35-45 footer may 
have been a better move. There was a 1980 42' foot Landfall sent to me for 
about the same about of money that I have into my 30 footer! 

 

What is every one's thoughts and advice? I am trying to temper my 
impulsiveness and just learn on and enjoy my 30' to make sure its a 
sport/lifestyle/hobby for me but dangling the Landfall in front of me for such 
a great price is tempting!!!

 

Warm Regards, 

 




Ryan S. Beckett

Partner & Co-Founder

561.301.6337 mobile

 



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Re: Stus-List Charging problems 30-2 Yanmar 2 gm 20

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

No but voltage at rear end of the Hitachi alternator read s 35-36 volts
with engine running.

Cleaned and reset all battery connections and seem to be fine. It seems
like staying battery may be getting a charge since it is quite warm to when
engine is on. (2) house batteries are not warm at all. They were also lower
voltage.

However, the batteries come up to voltage when on shore power. Is it fair
to assume batteries are fine then?

Sent from a mobile device.
On Jul 5, 2014 9:43 AM, "Joe Della Barba"  wrote:

> 35 VOLTS?
>
> Is your boat a 32 volt boat
>
>
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin
> Driscoll via CnC-List
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 05, 2014 12:04 PM
> *To:* C&C List
> *Subject:* Stus-List Charging problems 30-2 Yanmar 2 gm 20
>
>
>
> On our anniversary sail up to Victoria, we pulled in to Gray's harbour, Wa
> last night because the batteries are not charging. Looking for suggestions
> of diagnosis / solutions. See below: thanks
>
> The alternator belt was somewhat loose but I tightened it and no luck on
> charging. Tested terminals on back of alternator and reading was same
> before and after tightening... About 35 volts.
>
> About to start this morning by checking / cleaning battery terminals and
> other connections from alternator back. Hoping this could be the issue
> because as I previously posted my starter has been giving me the clicks. I
> have the faint glow on the Charging indicator lamp at the engine panel too.
> I have a heart interface  "incharge " alternator regulator.
>
> Any other suggestions?
>
> Thanks
> Kevin
>
> Sent from my Tablet
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Re: Stus-List Charging problems 30-2 Yanmar 2 gm 20

[Jim Watts via CnC-List]

You should be able to check for charging voltage at the batteries. It
should be over 13 volts, depending on your battery type and regulator
settings. Your shorepower charging circuit may be different from your
alternator charging circuit.

Do you have a diode or combiner in between your start and house batteries,
or is it all dependent on main switch position?

Jim Watts
Paradigm Shift
C&C 35 Mk III
Victoria, BC


On 5 July 2014 13:37, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List 
wrote:

> No but voltage at rear end of the Hitachi alternator read s 35-36 volts
> with engine running.
>
> Cleaned and reset all battery connections and seem to be fine. It seems
> like staying battery may be getting a charge since it is quite warm to when
> engine is on. (2) house batteries are not warm at all. They were also lower
> voltage.
>
> However, the batteries come up to voltage when on shore power. Is it fair
> to assume batteries are fine then?
>
> Sent from a mobile device.
> On Jul 5, 2014 9:43 AM, "Joe Della Barba"  wrote:
>
>> 35 VOLTS?
>>
>> Is your boat a 32 volt boat
>>
>>
>>
>> Joe Della Barba
>>
>> j...@dellabarba.com
>>
>> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Kevin
>> Driscoll via CnC-List
>> *Sent:* Saturday, July 05, 2014 12:04 PM
>> *To:* C&C List
>> *Subject:* Stus-List Charging problems 30-2 Yanmar 2 gm 20
>>
>>
>>
>> On our anniversary sail up to Victoria, we pulled in to Gray's harbour,
>> Wa last night because the batteries are not charging. Looking for
>> suggestions of diagnosis / solutions. See below: thanks
>>
>> The alternator belt was somewhat loose but I tightened it and no luck on
>> charging. Tested terminals on back of alternator and reading was same
>> before and after tightening... About 35 volts.
>>
>> About to start this morning by checking / cleaning battery terminals and
>> other connections from alternator back. Hoping this could be the issue
>> because as I previously posted my starter has been giving me the clicks. I
>> have the faint glow on the Charging indicator lamp at the engine panel too.
>> I have a heart interface  "incharge " alternator regulator.
>>
>> Any other suggestions?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Kevin
>>
>> Sent from my Tablet
>>
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Stus-List c&c 30 move to40plus ft

[Jimmy Kelly via CnC-List]

if you have the moneyget a good  marine inspection..so you know your
total costs  ..dont worry about sailing itfurling head sail makes this
possible...basic autopilot...some good used  ap availablereliable
engine...this particular model a single handlers dream if fitted out..start
first with light winds to get feel of boat...this model sails well with
just foresail...get dock easy to land.&allow you  to drift ...down on
landing.always go slow just minimum amount of way when landing.many
sailors some experts...fell this to large for beginners..but ..a number of
lower experience sailors have begun with 48fters  two older friends started
each with c&c39s when they were plus 60 yrs old  ..the older c&c hulls1975
& earlier  are easier to sail single handed  as a rule ...under body design
more conservativeexamples newport 41s,redline 41s,crusader40s,landfall
38,&42s,early40s...dont follow so called experts  ...who dont have larger
boats but follow your feelingsa 40 plus footer is a whole different
experience.happy sailing...where are you located?
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Stus-List About bigger boats

[Dennis C. via CnC-List]

I'm sitting on a balcony watching the sunset at a friend's condo overlooking 
the beginning of Rocky Bayou on the northern reaches of Choctowatchee Bay at 
Niceville, Fla. I'm pondering the recent thread on a bigger boat. 

This venue is lovely. We've watched a lot of sailboats and power boats come and 
go to/from the the marina a bit north. 

If I was to bring Touché here it would take 5 days. A 30 would only take 3 
days. I can't get Touché under the ICW bridges at Navarre Beach or Fort Walton. 
Similarly, I can't get under the East Pass bridge coming in from the gulf at 
Destin. 

I'd have to transit all the way to Panama City, enter St. Andrews Bay then come 
back west via the ICW to get into Chocotowatchee Bay. That's an extra 2 days. 

Friend of mine traded his Beneteau 47 for an Island Packet 485. Now he can't 
get under the Pensacola Beach bridge to sail Santa Rosa Sound, some really 
prime sailing waters. 

So, there are some disadvantages to a bigger boat. 

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, La

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Re: Stus-List It's Official - Cygnet is born

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

I'm working on that.

-Original Message- 
From: Tom Buscaglia via CnC-List

Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2014 8:42 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List It's Official - Cygnet is born

Any chance you'll be able to show her off at the August Rendezvous?

http://members.shaw.ca/cncrdv/

Tom Buscaglia
S/V Arera
1990 C&C 37+/40
Vashon WA
P 206.463.9200



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