Stus-List FW: C&C 38 mk1 vs mk2m Response

[David via CnC-List]

To Jim and all C & C 38 owners...

See below from the "wise old C &C designer"



David F. Risch
1981 40-2
(401) 419-4650 (cell)


From: r...@edsonintl.com
To: davidrisc...@msn.com
Subject: RE: Stus-List C&C 38 mk1 vs mk2
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 08:24:58 -0400

I can’t figure out what 38 Mark 1 and Mark 2 are  . . . . I’m getting old you 
know  , . . . and I don’t have Jim’s e-mail address  . . . The comments he 
makes don’t fit my impression of the two 38’s that I’m thinking of . . . To me 
the Mark one was an IOR One Ton hull made into a racer cruiser . . . The Mark 
Two was the first design I did entirely on the computer and it is/was wildly 
different from the Mark One, and it is the widest boat (for its’ size) that I 
ever did, so the comments don’t fit . . .  The beam on Mark1 is 12.16 and the 
Mark 2 is 12.79 . . . So, there must be two versions of the original 38, that 
I’m forgetting, and a change of rudder and ballast is a realistic possibility – 
but the beam would be the same on both, and for sure the two keels cannot be 
that different.  I show the ballast as being 5980 lb. for the Mark 1 . . . So – 
I’d like more details . . . . I am quite sure we did not build even a hundred 
of what I think of as the mark 2  . . . .  Cheers, Rob Ball
Chief Design EngineerEdson International
Tel 508-995-9711
Fax 508-995-5021
Email: r...@edsonintl.comwww.edsonintl.com  From: David 
[mailto:davidrisc...@msn.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 4:32 PM
To: Rob Ball
Subject: FW: Stus-List C&C 38 mk1 vs mk2 Rob,

Forgive the last sentence  but could you shed some light on the topic below.

Thanks in advance.

David F. Risch
(401) 419-4650 (cell)

> Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:23:57 -0700
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C 38 mk1 vs mk2
> From: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> 
> When I was buying my 38 Mk 2 (hull #132) recently, the prior owner told 
> me the difference between the mk1 and mk2 was a deeper rudder and more 
> keel ballast on the mk2.
> He said those adjustments were made to try to provide better downwind 
> control in broachable conditions.
> 
> Sailboatdata.com seems to at least partially back him up though their 
> numbers are confusing. They have the mk2 with 6800 lbs of ballast 
> compared to the mk1 with 4400. Yet they both are listed with 
> displacements of 14,700. The other difference they show is a slightly 
> beamier mk1.
> 
> I agree that if the designs were even mildly different, the PHRFs would 
> likely reflect that and don't. So I probably just complicated this 
> search for Hoffa's remains but the subject has puzzled me as well, so 
> thought I'd throw in what I'd heard.
> 
> I wish there was a wise old C&C designer on this list to resolve such 
> mysteries.
> 
> Jim Lynch
> 
> Alcyone
> 1977 38-2
> Olympia, Wa
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Stus-List C&C 32 FatKat for sale in Swansee Mass

[David Knecht via CnC-List]

I have a friend who is considering purchase of a 1983 C&C 32 in Swansee MA 
named FatKat:
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1983/C%26c-32-2725152/MA/United-States
Does anyone know anything about the history of this boat, especially why there 
appears to be hull patches near the bow?  Thanks-Dave

Aries
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New London, CT



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Re: Stus-List Tacking the genoa

[Michael Brown via CnC-List]

Nothing will beat having some practice with an expert on board. Even designating
a observer to start taking measurements and notes is a great start.

For me there is four things to fiddle with.

1) rate of turn, could be considered the radius of the arc of the turn

2) shape of the arc

3) when the jib is released and how it comes across

4) sail trim and point coming out of the turn


For (1) generally the less time the boat is not powered up the better. It has 
to be
balanced with too much rudder acting as a brake, or using up some of the kinetic
energy to climb towards the mark.

(2) and (3) is were the skipper can be creative and gain some ground on tacks.
A common technique is to come up to head to wind, which hopefully is pointing
right at the windward mark, and coast up for a short distance. Works well in
lighter winds and flat water. A modification is were you can pinch up a while 
first
and see how long you can sail under some power. I can sometimes get a few
boat lengths as high as 25 - 28 degrees apparent before I lose too much speed.
Note that there is some interaction here, as the boat slows down the apparent
shifts back a bit. So where you may have been pointing at 45 TWA and 32 AWA
as you slow down you may get 28 AWA but 39 TWA. Here is were a tactician
looking at VMG can advise if it is helping or not. In one case, mirror flat 
water
and no shear I pinched heavily on a lift and managed to take a useful increase
in VMG while the lift persisted.

When coasting up you may want to hold the jib back from tacking, barely cross
the wind to get just a hint of backwind, and hold it there for a boat length or 
so.
The thing you do not want to do is to release the jib and have a few hundred
sq. feet of sail hung up on the shrouds / mast acting as a brake. When the
jib starts to back wind much it will turn the boat for you and save using the 
rudder.

(4) is by far the most critical area to practice. I see the general technique of
falling off a bit after a tack to build speed, then coming up as velocity 
builds.
It works, and helps a lot in a race. It may not be optimal depending on the
boat and sails. Again, because boat speed is down the apparent has gone
back a bit. Also, with racer / cruisers that do not point above 45 TWA every
degree fallen off is a bigger distance to the mark. 5 extra degrees, from
45 TWA to 50 TWA hurts a lot more that dropping from 40 TWA to 45 TWA.

A different technique is to use some of the energy to coast up, then complete
the tack but stay up. During the tack the crew gets to the low side to help out,
moves the jib car slightly forward. The main trimmer ( maybe ) eases the
outhaul and the backstay. Make sure the main does not get trimmed up too
aggressively before the jib is flowing, need to keep the rudder straight
and the boat balanced. With the extra depth in the sails trim in for power
but keep the boat pointing close to normal. Let the boat speed build, then
start tightening the backstay first to maintain point as the apparent shifts 
forward.
Then adjust the jib car, and finally the outhaul as speed returns to normal.

The concept is adding some depth to the sail but staying closer to correct 
course
may work better that having flat ( over trimmed ) sails and falling off.
Depends on the boat and the sails.

> On the genoa, the issue is 
> how to get the new sheet in as far as possible as fast as possible to 
> minimize grinding on the new tack.

When double handing in normal wind and wave conditions we prep for a tack
by centering the main traveler ( easing the boom away from windward )
a second before the tack or as the tack has started. With the other hand
I take the jib sheet off the clam cleat and pass it back to the helms person.
The lee side jib car has already been adjusted forward, and as soon as
the jib sheet is released helm eases the backstay. As we tack over I start
tailing the new jib sheet in, and helm is ready to steer down if required to
clear the jib past the shrouds. I switch to using the winch as pressure builds
and pass the sheet back to helm for tailing. As soon as we have the jib
flowing I pull the main up a bit on the traveler, then go back to trimming
in the jib. One thing that helps is the ARCO 40 winches I have are 1:1 on
the direct side, so I can get a lot of sheet in quickly. When the sail is loaded
helm may pinch up for a couple of seconds to help out while I am still 1:1.
Note that we are not falling off much to build speed, which does work but
tends to load the jib a lot more.  From there on it is trimming as we build 
speed.

> When it is blowing over 10, it is 
> really hard to pull the traveller up each time.

Try easing the main sheet out, letting the vang off slightly to get some twist
and then adjust the traveler. Finish off by tightening the main sheet. On my
C&C 30-1 I switched to the Harken big boat track and car, have two single
blocks separate location on the boom, a 4:1 main sheet with an additional
4:1 tweaker. Overall the

Re: Stus-List Teak

[Peter Fell via CnC-List]

Around here the ‘teak’ furniture seems to be commanding top dollar, thanks to 
craigslist and some active local stores that specialize in it and do a fair bit 
of advertising. Even the thrift shops have gotten into the act. Most of the 
stuff I’ve seen is veneer ... occasionally with solid teak edges.

You still find the occasional piece that is reasonable and I suppose the garage 
sale / estate sale route is still a source.

Luckily I have a small stash of actual solid teak from a couple old couches my 
inlaws had.

Peter Fell
Sidney, BC
C&C 27 MkIII

From: Graham Collins via CnC-List 
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 1:08 PM
To: Stevan Plavsa ; cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Teak

I recently cut up a bedroom set from the 60s that was solid teak, so the stuff 
is out there - check drawers, underside of tops, etc and see if it is solid and 
is in fact teak.

Graham Collins
Secret Plans
C&C 35-III #11On 2014-06-25 3:17 PM, Stevan Plavsa via CnC-List wrote:

  Hi All. Old boat ownership related... 

  I've been searching the local classifieds for a piece of furniture for my 
sister and I keep noticing "teak" furniture. Some of it is really cheap, today 
I found a rather large solid looking shelf/cabinet thing that's going free... 
"teak".

  I'm probably just dreaming that these people have actual solid teak 
furniture, right? Is old "teak" furniture a good source for teak? Or is the 
word "teak" when discussing furniture just another word for veneer?

  Thanks,
  Steve
  Suhana, C&C 32
  Toronto


   

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Stus-List VHF trouble

[Joel Aronson via CnC-List]

My fixed VHF is not transmitting as it should. The antenna and wire in the
mast are 2 years old as is the VHF.  I tried it with and without the AIS
splitter. Same result. It receives audio and AIS comes up on the plotter so
I don't think it is the antenna.
Next steps?

Joel


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Re: Stus-List VHF trouble

[Steve Sharkey via CnC-List]

Joel,

I have an SWR meter if you want to test the wire and antenna performance.
 You could also see how the radio performance is using the emergency VHF
antenna that you probably have as part of the race equipment.  My emergency
antenna is very easy to hook up if you want to try it.

Steve


On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 11:05 AM, Joel Aronson via CnC-List <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> My fixed VHF is not transmitting as it should. The antenna and wire in the
> mast are 2 years old as is the VHF.  I tried it with and without the AIS
> splitter. Same result. It receives audio and AIS comes up on the plotter so
> I don't think it is the antenna.
> Next steps?
>
> Joel
>
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List VHF trouble

[Rich Knowles via CnC-List]

You don't have the transmit in Low power by chance...???

Rich

> On Jun 26, 2014, at 12:05, Joel Aronson via CnC-List  
> wrote:
> 
> My fixed VHF is not transmitting as it should. The antenna and wire in the 
> mast are 2 years old as is the VHF.  I tried it with and without the AIS 
> splitter. Same result. It receives audio and AIS comes up on the plotter so I 
> don't think it is the antenna. 
> Next steps?
> 
> Joel
> 
> 
> -- 
> Joel 
> 301 541 8551
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Stus-List 1985 C&C-33-2 Front Plastic Mast Insert

[Raymond Macklin via CnC-List]

Anyone:

I have 1985 C&C-33-2 and in the front of the mast there is around a one
inch plastic insert that runs the length of the mast.  What is this for.
If it is for a T-Track then what is the width of the track that belongs on
the boat?  Any information would be great.

Ray
LakeHouse
Libertyville, IL
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Stus-List 1985 - C&C 33-2 Mast Manufacturer?

[Raymond Macklin via CnC-List]

Who was the Manufacturer of the 1985 - C&C 33-2 Mast and how would I reach
them?

Ray
LakeHouse
Libertyville
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Re: Stus-List 1985 C&C-33-2 Front Plastic Mast Insert

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

Raymond,

We also have a 1985 C&C 33-II. The plastic insert covers the spinnaker pole 
track that is part of the mast extrusion. My understanding is C&C made the 
spars, for parts try South Shore Yachts  http://southshoreyachts.com/  talk to 
Rob Maclachlan, he used to work for C&C.


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Raymond 
Macklin via CnC-List
Sent: June 26, 2014 1:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 1985 C&C-33-2 Front Plastic Mast Insert

Anyone:
I have 1985 C&C-33-2 and in the front of the mast there is around a one inch 
plastic insert that runs the length of the mast.  What is this for.  If it is 
for a T-Track then what is the width of the track that belongs on the boat?  
Any information would be great.
Ray
LakeHouse
Libertyville, IL
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Re: Stus-List 1985 C&C-33-2 Front Plastic Mast Insert

[J.R. Farrar via CnC-List]

I recently purchased from SouthShore (last year) the pole car that fits that 
internal track. You should find stopper screws at the top and bottom that stop 
the car.

 

J.R.

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
Fountain via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:13 PM
To: Raymond Macklin; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1985 C&C-33-2 Front Plastic Mast Insert

 

Raymond,

 

We also have a 1985 C&C 33-II. The plastic insert covers the spinnaker pole 
track that is part of the mast extrusion. My understanding is C&C made the 
spars, for parts try South Shore Yachts    
http://southshoreyachts.com/  talk to Rob Maclachlan, he used to work for C&C.

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Raymond 
Macklin via CnC-List
Sent: June 26, 2014 1:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 1985 C&C-33-2 Front Plastic Mast Insert

 

Anyone:

I have 1985 C&C-33-2 and in the front of the mast there is around a one inch 
plastic insert that runs the length of the mast.  What is this for.  If it is 
for a T-Track then what is the width of the track that belongs on the boat?  
Any information would be great.

Ray

LakeHouse

Libertyville, IL

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Re: Stus-List 1985 C&C-33-2 Front Plastic Mast Insert

[Paul Fountain via CnC-List]

We have the turning blocks for the mast end up and down control at the top and 
bottom of the track.

Paul

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of J.R. Farrar 
via CnC-List
Sent: June 26, 2014 4:13 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1985 C&C-33-2 Front Plastic Mast Insert

I recently purchased from SouthShore (last year) the pole car that fits that 
internal track. You should find stopper screws at the top and bottom that stop 
the car.

J.R.


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Paul 
Fountain via CnC-List
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 2:13 PM
To: Raymond Macklin; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List 1985 C&C-33-2 Front Plastic Mast Insert

Raymond,

We also have a 1985 C&C 33-II. The plastic insert covers the spinnaker pole 
track that is part of the mast extrusion. My understanding is C&C made the 
spars, for parts try South Shore Yachts  http://southshoreyachts.com/  talk to 
Rob Maclachlan, he used to work for C&C.


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Raymond 
Macklin via CnC-List
Sent: June 26, 2014 1:52 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List 1985 C&C-33-2 Front Plastic Mast Insert

Anyone:
I have 1985 C&C-33-2 and in the front of the mast there is around a one inch 
plastic insert that runs the length of the mast.  What is this for.  If it is 
for a T-Track then what is the width of the track that belongs on the boat?  
Any information would be great.
Ray
LakeHouse
Libertyville, IL
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Re: Stus-List 1985 - C&C 33-2 Mast Manufacturer?

[Sam Salter via CnC-List]

‎Check out the Rig-Rite site, odds on you'll find it there. Or talk to Holland Marine or South Shore Yachts.   sam :-) From: Raymond Macklin via CnC-ListSent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 12:04 PMTo: cnc-list@cnc-list.comReply To: Raymond MacklinSubject: Stus-List 1985 - C&C 33-2 Mast Manufacturer?Who was the Manufacturer of the 1985 - C&C 33-2 Mast and how would I reach them?RayLakeHouseLibertyville
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Stus-List Crab pot free / tow lane - Columbia River to Victoria

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

Does anyone have coordinates our a good source for the crab pot free zone
on the Oregon coast ? My wife and I are heading up to Victoria and Canadian
Gulf Islands on the 4th of July for a few weeks on our 30-2. I would like
to follow the land up the coast weather/wind permitting.

Anybody on this list in Astoria Or, or Victoria BC or there abouts in the
next few weeks?

Thanks!
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Re: Stus-List Crab pot free / tow lane - Columbia River to Victoria

[Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List]

That is "lane" up the coast... I have a Yanmar question as well but I will
post separately.

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On Jun 26, 2014 9:57 PM, "Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List" <
cnc-list@cnc-list.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have coordinates our a good source for the crab pot free zone
> on the Oregon coast ? My wife and I are heading up to Victoria and Canadian
> Gulf Islands on the 4th of July for a few weeks on our 30-2. I would like
> to follow the land up the coast weather/wind permitting.
>
> Anybody on this list in Astoria Or, or Victoria BC or there abouts in the
> next few weeks?
>
> Thanks!
> Sent from my Tablet
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Re: Stus-List Crab pot free / tow lane - Columbia River to Victoria

[Paul Baker via CnC-List]

We're just north of there, Sidney.
Cheers,
Paul.


On 14-06-26 09:56 PM, Kevin Driscoll via CnC-List wrote:


Does anyone have coordinates our a good source for the crab pot free 
zone on the Oregon coast ? My wife and I are heading up to Victoria 
and Canadian Gulf Islands on the 4th of July for a few weeks on our 
30-2. I would like to follow the land up the coast weather/wind 
permitting.


Anybody on this list in Astoria Or, or Victoria BC or there abouts in 
the next few weeks?





Thanks!
Sent from my Tablet



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