Re: Stus-List Kicker stay

[J.P.]

Um. that is . what is a kicker stay? I know what a jammer is.bad grammar.

 

J

 

JP

 

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Hi,

 

Gonna show some ignorance. on my C&C 34,  I have a jammer labeled "kicker
stay".. ok, what is it, and how do I use it?


JP

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Re: Stus-List Kicker stay

[J.P.]

Never mind,  got it.sheesh. so that's what that's called. I''ve always
called it a do-dad.

 


JP

 

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Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 12:05 AM
To: ja...@jpiworldwide.com; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: RE: Stus-List Kicker stay

 

Um. that is . what is a kicker stay? I know what a jammer is.bad grammar.

 

J

 

JP

 

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Hi,

 

Gonna show some ignorance. on my C&C 34,  I have a jammer labeled "kicker
stay".. ok, what is it, and how do I use it?


JP

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Stus-List two helms?

[Richard Walter]

Greetings,

Our new-boat quest has shown us that many new boats come with two helmseven 
in a 40-footer (ie Tartan 4000). Maybe we are just old-fashioned, but we don't 
think we want two helms. I imagine twice as much maintenance, twice as many 
instruments to purchase, and twice as much to go wrong. I know the design 
allows the boats to carry more beam aft and visibility increases.

Has anyone sailed a twin-helm boat? What were your impressions? Do we want one? 
Is this the future of boat design?

Thank you,
Richard
s/v INDIGO
1978 36-foot
Watch Hill
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Re: Stus-List two helms?

[Dennis C.]

Spent a week on a Beneteau 473 couple years ago. Didn't mind the double helm 
setup. What was more annoying was it drove like a bus compared to my 35-1. 

Life is a compromise. 

Dennis C. 
Touché 35-1 #83
Westbound in Marianne Channel
Mississippi Sound, MS

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 2, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Richard Walter  wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> Our new-boat quest has shown us that many new boats come with two 
> helmseven in a 40-footer (ie Tartan 4000). Maybe we are just 
> old-fashioned, but we don't think we want two helms. I imagine twice as much 
> maintenance, twice as many instruments to purchase, and twice as much to go 
> wrong. I know the design allows the boats to carry more beam aft and 
> visibility increases.
> 
> Has anyone sailed a twin-helm boat? What were your impressions? Do we want 
> one? Is this the future of boat design?
> 
> Thank you,
> Richard
> s/v INDIGO
> 1978 36-foot
> Watch Hill
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Re: Stus-List two helms?

[Knowles Rich]

I've sailed a few of them. Maintenance wise I don't see any major drawbacks, 
just a few more things to inspect and lubricate. Instruments may or may not be 
problematic depending if there is a centrally visible console or mounting 
location visible from both helms. The reality is that if you can afford a large 
enough boat to have twin helms, the additional instrumentation costs are small 
potatoes. 

My biggest whine is the additional momentum and inertia caused by having to 
drive the unmanned wheel. I find it annoying especially on an otherwise 
light-helmed boat. 

Other than that, not a big deal. 

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-09-02, at 11:56, "Dennis C."  wrote:

Spent a week on a Beneteau 473 couple years ago. Didn't mind the double helm 
setup. What was more annoying was it drove like a bus compared to my 35-1. 

Life is a compromise. 

Dennis C. 
Touché 35-1 #83
Westbound in Marianne Channel
Mississippi Sound, MS

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 2, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Richard Walter  wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> Our new-boat quest has shown us that many new boats come with two 
> helmseven in a 40-footer (ie Tartan 4000). Maybe we are just 
> old-fashioned, but we don't think we want two helms. I imagine twice as much 
> maintenance, twice as many instruments to purchase, and twice as much to go 
> wrong. I know the design allows the boats to carry more beam aft and 
> visibility increases.
> 
> Has anyone sailed a twin-helm boat? What were your impressions? Do we want 
> one? Is this the future of boat design?
> 
> Thank you,
> Richard
> s/v INDIGO
> 1978 36-foot
> Watch Hill
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Re: Stus-List two helms?

[Wally Bryant]

Double your pleasure, double your fun, with Doublemint Doublemint 
Doublemint gum.   (Sorry, but when I was 3 years old I had a real crush 
on those animated twins that danced across the TV...

which just goes to show the power of Madison Ave back then.)

You're right that you'll double the maintenance.  You would probably 
mount your expensive instruments on the back of the big party table, so 
you can see them from either helm, and put a simple multi-control by 
each wheel.


Some guys are really into big wide hineys, but I like them skinny.  They 
say that a wide stern surfs better downwind.  My skinny IOR boat surfs 
pretty darn well, and frankly has surfed through some pretty scary 
stuff.  When's the last time you saw a fat surfer?  


I think the point of dual wheels is so you can see well when heading to 
windward at a steep angle of heel.  If you have a lot of crew that makes 
sense, but if you're pleasure sailing you probably won't have a full 
crew.  If you're pleasure sailing you'll probably will have at least one 
type of self-steering system.  If you have a self-steering system, you 
can leave the helm alone and deal with lines, make a sandwich, or even 
take a good look around.


Madison Avenue strikes again...  Many new boats are designed to sell to 
retirees, who have seen pictures of 'round the world' racers on 
performance monohulls, which usually have two wheels. Then they get 
'practical' and order an in-mast furling system, which is convenient but 
really can't provide decent sail shape. Then they go out on the ocean 
and get scared witless and spend the rest of their retirement years 
motoring or at the dock.  But that big wide transom, and that big 
cockpit table, provides room for dock parties where they swap stories 
that they read about in Sail Magazine.  And even 32 foot boats have two 
'bathrooms.'


Uh oh, I think I'm ranting.  Gotta go.

Wal

PS.  Happy Labor Day.  BTW, it's called Labor Day because it's nine 
months after New Years Eve...  it actually has nothing to do with work.





Richard wrote:

I imagine twice as much maintenance, twice as many instruments to purchase, and twice 
as much to go wrong.  

Has anyone sailed a twin-helm boat? What were your impressions? Do we want one? 
Is this the future of boat design?



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Stus-List Deck fitting follow up.

[kelly petew]

Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 19:52:04 -0400
From: Joel Aronson 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Deck fitting follow up.
Message-ID: <-5893114886292795450@unknownmsgid>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Finally got the waste fitting replaced.  The OEM fitting is wider than
the fitting sold by West.  My mechanic found a generic one that was
wide enough for the screws to sink into the deck.

BTW, the Perko replacement caps don't fit either.

Joel
Sent from my iPad
  I've have a similar problem.  I've struggled to find the correct sized "O" 
ring for the diesel deck-fill.  West Marine doesn't have it.   I'm hoping the 
ones I bought at Fawcett's will work. Pete W.  Siren SongC&C 30MKIIDeltaville, 
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Re: Stus-List two helms?

[Pierre Tremblay]

Also, you have engine control on only one of the helm. And it will almost 
always be on the oposite side when you are docking.

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Re: Stus-List two helms?

[Colin Kilgour]

I sailed a double helm Pacer 42 from Tortola to Bermuda.  (It's pretty much
a fat-transomed South African sled).  From a driving perspective, the
double helm is really nice.  You can be high side or low side depending on
your preference and sight line requirements.

However, unless you're going to duplicate all instruments at each helm, you
may end up moving between them more more than you'd like to.  Putting the
instruments in the centre is a compromise that just means you won't be able
to see the instruments from either helm seat.  Keep in mind that we all
wear polarized sunglasses - so looking at the instruments from an angle all
the time will really piss you off in a hurry.

So basically, if you go the double helm route, budget for dual instrument
displays and you'll be happy.

Cheers,
Colin

PS - It's only 8 months after New Year's Eve.  (so much for Wal's math!)


On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Wally Bryant  wrote:

> Double your pleasure, double your fun, with Doublemint Doublemint
> Doublemint gum.   (Sorry, but when I was 3 years old I had a real crush on
> those animated twins that danced across the TV...
> which just goes to show the power of Madison Ave back then.)
>
> You're right that you'll double the maintenance.  You would probably mount
> your expensive instruments on the back of the big party table, so you can
> see them from either helm, and put a simple multi-control by each wheel.
>
> Some guys are really into big wide hineys, but I like them skinny.  They
> say that a wide stern surfs better downwind.  My skinny IOR boat surfs
> pretty darn well, and frankly has surfed through some pretty scary stuff.
>  When's the last time you saw a fat surfer?  
>
> I think the point of dual wheels is so you can see well when heading to
> windward at a steep angle of heel.  If you have a lot of crew that makes
> sense, but if you're pleasure sailing you probably won't have a full crew.
>  If you're pleasure sailing you'll probably will have at least one type of
> self-steering system.  If you have a self-steering system, you can leave
> the helm alone and deal with lines, make a sandwich, or even take a good
> look around.
>
> Madison Avenue strikes again...  Many new boats are designed to sell to
> retirees, who have seen pictures of 'round the world' racers on performance
> monohulls, which usually have two wheels. Then they get 'practical' and
> order an in-mast furling system, which is convenient but really can't
> provide decent sail shape. Then they go out on the ocean and get scared
> witless and spend the rest of their retirement years motoring or at the
> dock.  But that big wide transom, and that big cockpit table, provides room
> for dock parties where they swap stories that they read about in Sail
> Magazine.  And even 32 foot boats have two 'bathrooms.'
>
> Uh oh, I think I'm ranting.  Gotta go.
>
> Wal
>
> PS.  Happy Labor Day.  BTW, it's called Labor Day because it's nine months
> after New Years Eve...  it actually has nothing to do with work.
>
>
>
>
> Richard wrote:
>
>> I imagine twice as much maintenance, twice as many instruments to
>> purchase, and twice as much to go wrong.  
>>
>>
>> Has anyone sailed a twin-helm boat? What were your impressions? Do we
>> want one? Is this the future of boat design?
>>
>
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Re: Stus-List Boating terms

[Bill Bina]

  
  
You can usually find more distant
  stations as well. My local one is on channel 27, but there is one
  about 20  miles from me on channel 24. I think the automated radio
  check is far superior to the old way. You not only don't waste
  time wondering if you got no response because something is wrong,
  but you also get a playback of your own audio as they received it,
  which is a lot more valuable than, "You sound okay over here
  somewhere near Charles Island". The other plus is that it greatly
  reduces the number of radio checks on 9 and 16, which can get
  pretty annoying to those who like to monitor those channels to
  know what is going on in the area. Most times you are going to get
  a human response from nearby anyway. May as well hear exactly what
  you sound like. I recently had my radio get soaked, and although I
  could reach both near and distant automated radio checks, it
  showed my that my modulation was low and unintelligible. Two days
  later, I was pleased to find the radio had dried out and the
  modulation was back to normal. 
  
  Bill Bina
  
  On 9/1/2013 11:41 AM, Indigo wrote:


  
  Dennis
  Re Automatic Radio Check - not sure how it works where you
are, but I believe that you only get a response from the NEAREST
Seatow (or BoatUS) station. I prefer to ask others on radio
watch to help me gauge the reach of my transmission - which
hopefully is farther than the Seatow station next door. - Am I
wrong?

--
Jonathan
Indigo C&C 35III
  SOUTHPORT CT
  

  


  


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Re: Stus-List Deck fitting follow up.

[Joel Aronson]

Mine did. Think they were 1.5 inch.

Joel Aronson


On Sep 2, 2013, at 11:27 AM, kelly petew  wrote:

  Date: Sun, 1 Sep 2013 19:52:04 -0400
From: Joel Aronson 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Deck fitting follow up.
Message-ID: <-5893114886292795450@unknownmsgid>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Finally got the waste fitting replaced. The OEM fitting is wider than
the fitting sold by West. My mechanic found a generic one that was
wide enough for the screws to sink into the deck.

BTW, the Perko replacement caps don't fit either.

Joel
Sent from my iPad


I've have a similar problem.
I've struggled to find the correct sized "O" ring for the diesel
deck-fill.
West Marine doesn't have it.

I'm hoping the ones I bought at Fawcett's will work.

Pete W.

Siren Song
C&C 30MKII
Deltaville, VA

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Re: Stus-List two helms?

[sam . c . salter]

I've sailed a lot of twin helmed Benneteau's and Jenneau's while chartering.  I like how they open up the cockpit; Give straight through access to the transom deck; Provide a ‎space for the helmsman that's out of the cockpit traffic ; Put you out to weather when you're on the helm.I've also sailed a C&C 115 with the biggest mf helm you ever saw. Lovely boat to sail but when in port the cockpit space is a pain in the arse. Remember you spend a lot of time on the dock.Think about the sort of sailing you do and who you do it with. Do you spend a lot of time in dock/ in the cockpit? Are you a racer? ‎Sail a twin helmed boat - it might be just what you / your wife is looking for! (if it's good enough for Dennis Connor etc. etc.. sam :-) From: Colin KilgourSent: Monday, September 2, 2013 9:41 AMTo: w...@wbryant.com; C&C ListReply To: cnc-list@cnc-list.comSubject: Re: Stus-List two helms?I sailed a double helm Pacer 42 from Tortola to Bermuda.  (It's pretty much a fat-transomed South African sled).  From a driving perspective, the double helm is really nice.  You can be high side or low side depending on your preference and sight line requirements.  
However, unless you're going to duplicate all instruments at each helm, you may end up moving between them more more than you'd like to.  Putting the instruments in the centre is a compromise that just means you won't be able to see the instruments from either helm seat.  Keep in mind that we all wear polarized sunglasses - so looking at the instruments from an angle all the time will really piss you off in a hurry.  
So basically, if you go the double helm route, budget for dual instrument displays and you'll be happy.Cheers,ColinPS - It's only 8 months after New Year's Eve.  (so much for Wal's math!)  
On Mon, Sep 2, 2013 at 11:12 AM, Wally Bryant  wrote:
Double your pleasure, double your fun, with Doublemint Doublemint Doublemint gum.   (Sorry, but when I was 3 years old I had a real crush on those animated twins that danced across the TV...
which just goes to show the power of Madison Ave back then.)

You're right that you'll double the maintenance.  You would probably mount your expensive instruments on the back of the big party table, so you can see them from either helm, and put a simple multi-control by each wheel.


Some guys are really into big wide hineys, but I like them skinny.  They say that a wide stern surfs better downwind.  My skinny IOR boat surfs pretty darn well, and frankly has surfed through some pretty scary stuff.  When's the last time you saw a fat surfer?  


I think the point of dual wheels is so you can see well when heading to windward at a steep angle of heel.  If you have a lot of crew that makes sense, but if you're pleasure sailing you probably won't have a full crew.  If you're pleasure sailing you'll probably will have at least one type of self-steering system.  If you have a self-steering system, you can leave the helm alone and deal with lines, make a sandwich, or even take a good look around.


Madison Avenue strikes again...  Many new boats are designed to sell to retirees, who have seen pictures of 'round the world' racers on performance monohulls, which usually have two wheels. Then they get 'practical' and order an in-mast furling system, which is convenient but really can't provide decent sail shape. Then they go out on the ocean and get scared witless and spend the rest of their retirement years motoring or at the dock.  But that big wide transom, and that big cockpit table, provides room for dock parties where they swap stories that they read about in Sail Magazine.  And even 32 foot boats have two 'bathrooms.'


Uh oh, I think I'm ranting.  Gotta go.

Wal

PS.  Happy Labor Day.  BTW, it's called Labor Day because it's nine months after New Years Eve...  it actually has nothing to do with work.




Richard wrote:

I imagine twice as much maintenance, twice as many instruments to purchase, and twice as much to go wrong.  

Has anyone sailed a twin-helm boat? What were your impressions? Do we want one? Is this the future of boat design?



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Stus-List Selling my J/24. Know anyone who wants one?

[Colin Kilgour]

Folks,

It's time for me to reduce the size of the Kilgour navy. With soccer
coaching duties, work, the cottage, Bojangles and more, I just don't have
the time to sail this one. If you know of anyone looking for a J24, here's
a good one for sale. Please pass this along.

<
http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-boats-watercraft-sailboats-J24-sailboat-and-trailer-very-good-condition-W0QQAdIdZ472548520QQfeaturedAdZtrue
>

Don't worry though, the Kilgour navy is still a force to be reckoned with.
Bojangles remains the 22 ton flagship, followed by a Laser, Opti, Walker
Bay Rib, 20ft Chris Craft, 14ft tinner, a canoe and a kayak.

Cheers,
Colin
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Stus-List dumb question time...INDIGO

[Richard Walter]

Greetings,

Here is an interesting solution to updating some of INDIGO's gear, particularly 
the rigging.

We have an opportunity to buy a boat like ours (same year/model). However, the 
available boat has a new mast, boom, standing rigging, furler, sails, etc. 
There are some new winches, pedestal, etc. All this for $15K. Is it feasible to 
buy the second boat, swap the newer gear for our older gear (that we're 
preparing to replace anyway), put our older gear on the second boat and either 
part it out or donate it? Maybe our yard would not do this work for us.

Anybody wanna free boat?

Richard
s/v INDIGO
1978 36-foot
Watch Hill
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Stus-List C&C smile

[Bill Connon]

I've been fixing the smile with Bondo over the past few years. This 
season I've noticed that I'm getting some sea water into the bilge ( 
along with rainwater that comes down the mast ). On haulout this year 
I'm planning on making a more permanent fix. Has anybody used G-Flex 
epoxy for this project? I plan on using thickened epoxy to fill the gap 
and then use wetted out fibreglass tape to strengthen the joint. 
Comments, ideas and suggestions would be appreciated.


Bill
Caprice 1
1978 C&C 36

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Re: Stus-List dumb question time...INDIGO

[Joel Aronson]

Rich,

I would think you could swap masts for about 600-800.  You could do the
winches.  No idea about the pedestal.  You would have to store and register
two boats.

Joel
Sent from my iPad

On Sep 2, 2013, at 12:27 PM, Richard Walter  wrote:

Greetings,

Here is an interesting solution to updating some of INDIGO's gear,
particularly the rigging.

We have an opportunity to buy a boat like ours (same year/model). However,
the available boat has a new mast, boom, standing rigging, furler, sails,
etc. There are some new winches, pedestal, etc. All this for $15K. Is it
feasible to buy the second boat, swap the newer gear for our older gear
(that we're preparing to replace anyway), put our older gear on the second
boat and either part it out or donate it? Maybe our yard would not do this
work for us.

Anybody wanna free boat?

Richard
s/v INDIGO
1978 36-foot
Watch Hill

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Re: Stus-List two helms?

[Persuasion]

I believe the proper spelling is LABOUR Day.  ;)


Mike
S/V Persuasion
C&C 37 Keel/CB
Long Sault
-Original Message- 
From: Wally Bryant

Sent: Monday, September 2, 2013 11:12 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List two helms?

Double your pleasure, double your fun, with Doublemint Doublemint
Doublemint gum.   (Sorry, but when I was 3 years old I had a real crush
on those animated twins that danced across the TV...
which just goes to show the power of Madison Ave back then.)

You're right that you'll double the maintenance.  You would probably
mount your expensive instruments on the back of the big party table, so
you can see them from either helm, and put a simple multi-control by
each wheel.

Some guys are really into big wide hineys, but I like them skinny.  They
say that a wide stern surfs better downwind.  My skinny IOR boat surfs
pretty darn well, and frankly has surfed through some pretty scary
stuff.  When's the last time you saw a fat surfer?  

I think the point of dual wheels is so you can see well when heading to
windward at a steep angle of heel.  If you have a lot of crew that makes
sense, but if you're pleasure sailing you probably won't have a full
crew.  If you're pleasure sailing you'll probably will have at least one
type of self-steering system.  If you have a self-steering system, you
can leave the helm alone and deal with lines, make a sandwich, or even
take a good look around.

Madison Avenue strikes again...  Many new boats are designed to sell to
retirees, who have seen pictures of 'round the world' racers on
performance monohulls, which usually have two wheels. Then they get
'practical' and order an in-mast furling system, which is convenient but
really can't provide decent sail shape. Then they go out on the ocean
and get scared witless and spend the rest of their retirement years
motoring or at the dock.  But that big wide transom, and that big
cockpit table, provides room for dock parties where they swap stories
that they read about in Sail Magazine.  And even 32 foot boats have two
'bathrooms.'

Uh oh, I think I'm ranting.  Gotta go.

Wal

PS.  Happy Labor Day.  BTW, it's called Labor Day because it's nine
months after New Years Eve...  it actually has nothing to do with work.




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I imagine twice as much maintenance, twice as many instruments to 
purchase, and twice as much to go wrong.  


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Re: Stus-List two helms?

[Rick Brass]

I sailed on a 46 Bavaria a couple of years ago. It had twin helms, with
wheels somewhere between 48 and 60 inch diameter - and still had room for
the crew to walk between then to get to the swim platform and the transom
shower. Visibility is improved, as well as traffic flow in the cockpit.

 

As far as maintenance, I suppose you should re-tension and lube the cables
every year, so there is twice the maintenance. But the Edson steering on my
38 lasted for about 34 years before I replaced any cables or idlers, so I
don't suppose the extra maintenance is intolerable.

 

As far as steering effort goes, the big wheels on the Bavaria and regular
lubrication kept the helm pretty light. I've sailed a friends Pearson 30
with an 18 or 24 inch wheel that required more effort than the much bigger
Bavaria.

 

The Bavaria also had an instrument pod mounted forward of the wheels and on
the centerline. Engine controls, VHF, windlass control, etc were on the back
of the pod, and the top of the pod was designed to swing from side to side
so the instruments like radar, sounder, speed log, and wind were facing
toward the wheel you were using. You manually moved instrument pod when you
switched the wheels.

 

It was a well done arrangement and contributed to a huge cockpit. I suppose
if I had the money to buy a big Oyster, a Swan 65,  or even a 46 Bavaria,
I'd opt for the twin wheels. But I don't see myself buying anything much
larger than my 38 because I enjoy sailing single- handed or with short crew.
So I don't need the extra hassles of crew, cost, and upkeep that a big
Oyster would mean. OTOH, IMHO the Swan 65 may just be the prettiest girl in
the ocean, not just the harbor, and that might make the hassle more
palatable. 

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Walter
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 10:20 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List two helms?

 

Greetings,

 

Our new-boat quest has shown us that many new boats come with two
helmseven in a 40-footer (ie Tartan 4000). Maybe we are just
old-fashioned, but we don't think we want two helms. I imagine twice as much
maintenance, twice as many instruments to purchase, and twice as much to go
wrong. I know the design allows the boats to carry more beam aft and
visibility increases.

 

Has anyone sailed a twin-helm boat? What were your impressions? Do we want
one? Is this the future of boat design?

Thank you,

Richard

s/v INDIGO

1978 36-foot

Watch Hill

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Re: Stus-List dumb question time...INDIGO

[Rick Brass]

Any reason why you wouldn't just buy the 2nd boat, rename her Indigo, and
sell your current boat for $10-12k? Seems a lot easier to switch stuff from
the current Indigo to a better boat than to go through the hassles and cost
of rebuilding two boats.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Walter
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 12:28 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List dumb question time...INDIGO

 

Greetings,

 

Here is an interesting solution to updating some of INDIGO's gear,
particularly the rigging.

 

We have an opportunity to buy a boat like ours (same year/model). However,
the available boat has a new mast, boom, standing rigging, furler, sails,
etc. There are some new winches, pedestal, etc. All this for $15K. Is it
feasible to buy the second boat, swap the newer gear for our older gear
(that we're preparing to replace anyway), put our older gear on the second
boat and either part it out or donate it? Maybe our yard would not do this
work for us.

 

Anybody wanna free boat?

Richard

s/v INDIGO

1978 36-foot

Watch Hill

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Re: Stus-List dumb question time...INDIGO

[Joe Della Barba]

I have thought of this - I can buy ANOTHER C&C 35 with a diesel, newish
sails, and newish interior for less than I can do that to my boat.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Brass
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 3:04 PM
To: 'Richard Walter'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List dumb question time...INDIGO

 

Any reason why you wouldn't just buy the 2nd boat, rename her Indigo, and
sell your current boat for $10-12k? Seems a lot easier to switch stuff from
the current Indigo to a better boat than to go through the hassles and cost
of rebuilding two boats.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Richard
Walter
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 12:28 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com  
Subject: Stus-List dumb question time...INDIGO

 

Greetings,

 

Here is an interesting solution to updating some of INDIGO's gear,
particularly the rigging.

 

We have an opportunity to buy a boat like ours (same year/model). However,
the available boat has a new mast, boom, standing rigging, furler, sails,
etc. There are some new winches, pedestal, etc. All this for $15K. Is it
feasible to buy the second boat, swap the newer gear for our older gear
(that we're preparing to replace anyway), put our older gear on the second
boat and either part it out or donate it? Maybe our yard would not do this
work for us.

 

Anybody wanna free boat?

Richard

s/v INDIGO

1978 36-foot

Watch Hill

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Stus-List self-cleaning shaft

[Joe Della Barba]

I had a diver give me a scrub before Labor Day. He said the good news was my
shaft was spotless. The bad news was the reason - the zinc was loose and
evidently every forward-reverse shift slid it back and forth and scrubbed
all the growth off!

 

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com  

 

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

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Re: Stus-List C&C smile

[John and Maryann Read]

Hi Bill

If your keelboats are leaking, then your smile has progressed to the point
of more than stuffing in some bondo and the need for some redoing the keel /
sump seal itself to prevent leaks.  Remember that the keel bolts are
stainless which will degrade when wet in an oxygen deprived environment
which is what happens when the keel / sump seal is compromised.  A good
starting place would be get the opinion of your local fiberglass repair
shop.  I believe this subject is also well covered in the archives of this
list as well as the DIY section of the photoalbum.

To be absolutely sure, the preferred process at haul out would be to 1)
lower the keel, 2)  clean, fair and prep the mating surfaces, 3)  reattach
the keel with a preferred adhesive / sealant, 4)  properly torque the keel
bolts, 5) grind and fair both sides of the joint by at least a foot, 6)
apply fiberglass as a fairing, 7)  fair the fiberglass, 8)  apply several
coats of barrier coat then bottom paint.

If this is too much, then you can try digging out all bondo and as best you
can expose the joint as deeply as possible.  Clean it to provide a good
sealing surface.  Stuff in your sealant, then proceed at step 4.

Fiberglass tape provides negligible structural integrity.  The keel bolts
and adhesive at the sump / keel joint do that.  The tape is to fair the
joint.  If there is insufficient structural integrity, the keel will flex
and break the tape bond.

Hope this helps



John and Maryann
Legacy III
1982 C&C 34
Noank, CT
-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Connon
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 1:26 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C smile

I've been fixing the smile with Bondo over the past few years. This season
I've noticed that I'm getting some sea water into the bilge ( along with
rainwater that comes down the mast ). On haulout this year I'm planning on
making a more permanent fix. Has anybody used G-Flex epoxy for this project?
I plan on using thickened epoxy to fill the gap and then use wetted out
fibreglass tape to strengthen the joint. 
Comments, ideas and suggestions would be appreciated.

Bill
Caprice 1
1978 C&C 36

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Re: Stus-List [SPAM] self-cleaning shaft

[Jake Brodersen]

Joe,

 

That's all good.  A self-cleaning shaft.  I need to go clean my boat, as it
hasn't moved since Screwpile.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

   

cid:image001.png@01CE3D06.5A990940

 

 

 

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Barba
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 4:09 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: [SPAM]Stus-List self-cleaning shaft

 

I had a diver give me a scrub before Labor Day. He said the good news was my
shaft was spotless. The bad news was the reason - the zinc was loose and
evidently every forward-reverse shift slid it back and forth and scrubbed
all the growth off!

 

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

 

Coquina

C&C 35 MK I

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Re: Stus-List dumb question time...INDIGO ... Now replace vs upgrade your boat

[Rick Brass]

Joe;

 

FWIW, there is a 35-2 over in Cambridge, MD that looks pretty nice - at
least according to the photos on the yacht broker's website. Her name is Air
Force, and the price has recently been cut to $19k. A buddy down here wants
badly to buy her, if he can sell his J/30.

 

The link to the boat information is:
http://www.curtisstokes.net/pdf/sailing-yacht-for-sale-air-force2.pdf 

 

Rick Brass

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della
Barba
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 4:00 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List dumb question time...INDIGO

 

I have thought of this - I can buy ANOTHER C&C 35 with a diesel, newish
sails, and newish interior for less than I can do that to my boat.

 

Joe Della Barba

j...@dellabarba.com

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Brass
Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 3:04 PM
To: 'Richard Walter'; cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List dumb question time...INDIGO

 

Any reason why you wouldn't just buy the 2nd boat, rename her Indigo, and
sell your current boat for $10-12k? Seems a lot easier to switch stuff from
the current Indigo to a better boat than to go through the hassles and cost
of rebuilding two boats.

 

 

Rick Brass

Washington, NC

 

 

 

 

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Re: Stus-List Fixed my Raymarine E7 plotter!

[Bob Moriarty]

A variation of the ol' reboot. That would make me nervous on commercial
hardware.

Ox 33-1
Jax, FL


On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 7:53 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

> The touchscreen function on my plotter stopped working.  Ran the
> touchscreen alignment program and I'm back in business!
>
> Joel
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Re: Stus-List dumb question time...INDIGO

[Brent Driedger]

Tell you what... Haul both boats to Manitoba, I offer the full use of my 
acreage to complete the work. I'll rent the crane and provide unlimited labour 
for the switchover and in return you leave the other boat here when we are 
done! 
I'll even provide the beer. 

Brent Driedger
s/v Wild Rover
27-5
Lake Winnipeg 

Sent from my iPhone

On 2013-09-02, at 11:27 AM, Richard Walter  wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> Here is an interesting solution to updating some of INDIGO's gear, 
> particularly the rigging.
> 
> We have an opportunity to buy a boat like ours (same year/model). However, 
> the available boat has a new mast, boom, standing rigging, furler, sails, 
> etc. There are some new winches, pedestal, etc. All this for $15K. Is it 
> feasible to buy the second boat, swap the newer gear for our older gear (that 
> we're preparing to replace anyway), put our older gear on the second boat and 
> either part it out or donate it? Maybe our yard would not do this work for us.
> 
> Anybody wanna free boat?
> 
> Richard
> s/v INDIGO
> 1978 36-foot
> Watch Hill
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Re: Stus-List self-cleaning shaft

[Rick Bushie]

Joe,
How much does a bottom cleaning run?
Rick
Anchovy

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Re: Stus-List C&C smile

[William D. Hall]

Mine hasn't leaked yet - but have you torqued the keel bolts? My boat had a big 
smile when I got it last year. I hired a yard to redo things. They torqued up 
the bolts, re-faired with epoxy and filler (and we did a barrier coat), and so 
far so good (looking and feeling as closely as I can while diving). They did 
not drop the keel. But, the sump was in great shape, and the bolts took the 
torque with no problem. 
On my boat the rig had to come out to get all the bolts, but I wanted to do 
that anyway to get a thorough inspection. 

Bill
1985 C&c37 Starfire
Stamford, ct
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On Sep 2, 2013, at 1:26 PM, Bill Connon  wrote:

> I've been fixing the smile with Bondo over the past few years. This season 
> I've noticed that I'm getting some sea water into the bilge ( along with 
> rainwater that comes down the mast ). On haulout this year I'm planning on 
> making a more permanent fix. Has anybody used G-Flex epoxy for this project? 
> I plan on using thickened epoxy to fill the gap and then use wetted out 
> fibreglass tape to strengthen the joint. Comments, ideas and suggestions 
> would be appreciated.
> 
> Bill
> Caprice 1
> 1978 C&C 36
> 
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