Re: Stus-List Steering Quadrant

[Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR]

True, but it will likely be the last quadrant you ever buy.

That Edson stuff is very high quality, and they know their stuff.

-Keith


-Original Message-
From: Jim Watts [mailto:paradigmat...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 22:02
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Subject: Re: Stus-List Steering Quadrant

You may prefer a whole new boat when you see the quotes. 



On 26 June 2013 18:36, Chuck S  wrote:


Damien,
Check Edson.com
You will find a catalogue showing several systems and several
sized quadrants as diameter effects operation.  I believe they will bore
the right diameter quadrant to any diameter shaft, so measure the
diameter of the quadrant and the diameter of your shaft and call them.  

Naturally, check condition of cable, chain, gears, idler
pulleys, etc, because something else may have stressed the quadrant and
caused the failure.  Replace anything suspect.  You may prefer a whole
new system when you see the new design options?



Chuck
Resolute
1990 C&C 34R
Atlantic City, NJ



From: "Damien Morrissey" 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 7:50:23 AM
Subject: Stus-List Steering Quadrant


The problem is definitely the Quadrant.   It has snapped into 2
pieces from the shaft across to the curved grooved part that holds the
steering cable, the bolts are NOT missing.

I can not find any name or product numbers in the pieces to aid
in ordering the proper part from Edson or others.   My camera crapped
out yesterday so I will try again to get some pics.   It is cast
aluminum or white metal of some sort.

It is generally a pie shaped part with a hole for the rudder
post at one end.   This end is in 2 pieces to clamp around that rudder
post.There are 4 bolts to hold this together.   It is about 6 1/2 inches
across here with 2 eye bolts to attach the steering cable ends.   The
piece is about 10 inches from the rudder post end to the centre of the
curved groove end.The curved end has 2 grooves for the steering
cable and is about 12 1/2 inches across.   It is about 1 1/2  thick.

As a picture is worth a thousand words, I will cut the
description here and post a pic as soon as I can.   Until then, if
anyone can help, that would be great.   If it isn't an Edson part - who
else could be the manufacturer ?


Damien
"Melissa Anne"
Viking 33 - C&C Design
Bay of Islands Yacht Club

Corner Brook, NL


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Re: Stus-List Bow Rollers

[Eric Frank]

Stu,

I contacted several people a couple of years ago.  These contacts might help 
although their addresses may also be out of date.


Eric Frank
Cat's Paw
C&C 35 Mk II
Mattapoisett, MA

Hi Frank,
You will find pictures of the bow roller at:
https://picasaweb.google.com/102494727123155985813/AnchorBowRoller
Kingston anchor, http://www.kingstonanchors.com/  model BR-1. Pricey but works. 

To install we drilled two holes in the roller to match bolt holes in the bow 
stem - that's it.
Let me know if I can take more pictures or if you need more details.
Cheers,
Peter   Peter Deppisch 
S/V Tangerine
C&C35 MK II
Lion's Head, Ontario

or this, from Alan Bergen  Alan Bergen   He sent 
pictures which I can email you.

The material is 1/4" stainless.  I made a cardboard template and had it cut for 
me.  The shop drilled holes that were the correct size for tapping.  Then I use 
it for a guide to drill the aluminum stemhead fitting on the boat.  I tapped 
the holes in the stemhead fitting, and then drilled out the holes in the 
stainless plate for screw clearance.  I think the screws (stainless) are 1/4 - 
20.


Alan Bergen
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty
Rose City YC
Portland, OR




> Subject: Stus-List Bow Rollers
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> 
> If you look in the Do-it-yourself section of the Photo Album and Custom Bow 
> Rollers, there are several links to contact the owners of the specific 
> rollers.  Unfortunately, these links do not work anymore.
> 
> If you are still on the list, or know of these owners, please update me with 
> their current email addresses.
> 
> Tom ? Chameleon 
> Richard ? Anonymous
> Joe ? Moonlight
> Allan ? C&C 30 MKII
> Tom ? C&C 34
> 
> Thanx
> Stu


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Re: Stus-List Use of Cranes at Yacht Clubs

[Gary Nylander]

I belong to two yacht clubs, both with small cranes. The Miles River club's 
crane is only rated for 2000 pounds, thus is used by the Star fleet and a 
couple of light keel boats, boat owners operate it and the only problem is too 
many of them at one place at one time.

At Tred Avon, the crane is good for 6000 and is used by a few heavier boats, 
the club has a fleet of club owned Ideal 18's. The owners of a fleet of 
Shields, a couple of J-80's, Melges 24, J-24, etc. use it and have been 
'taught' by the other club members. Nothing heavy enough to cause major damage 
and few people use it to set masts - those that are set are quite light - 
anything bigger than that goes to real cranes at nearby boatyards. Plus, there 
are a lot of club 'regulars' around for assistance.

Gary Nylander
Maryland
  - Original Message - 
  From: Knowles Rich 
  To: cnc-list Cnc-List 
  Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 10:40 PM
  Subject: Re: Stus-List Use of Cranes at Yacht Clubs


  Thanks for this Bob. Agreed on most points. I was simply trying to find out 
what others are doing. We have had a few accidents over the years that could 
have been avoided if the individuals involved had had a bit of common sense or 
instruction, the latter being easier to administer.


  We met tonight and I think we have a pretty good handle on where we are 
going. No major deviations but some tightening up on who and how.


  Cheers


  Rich Knowles
  INDIGO LF38

  Halifax, NS.







  On 2013-06-26, at 11:30 PM, Robert Abbott  wrote:


  Rich:

  Regarding the use of the spar and jib cranes at our club, I believe the 
existing practices and policies are working quite well.  There is no 'official 
certification' or 'regulatory course'  or 'spar/jib crane operator's card' 
regarding the use of these cranes imposed upon the club and its members by any 
govt entity .nothing like a Small Pleasure Craft Operator's Card or 
driver's license.There is the 'certification of inspection' of the actual 
cranes under the Elevator and Lifts Act by the Department of Labor but it 
doesn't license and/or authorize who can use the cranes.  Therefore, that's why 
the club has its own practices and policies.we are self governing in this 
matter.

  First the spar crane, let assume there are approx. 250 'masts' at the 
club. I estimate 60% to 70% are stepped/unstepped by 'contractors'.  One 
contractor alone does approx. 100 yearly. These contractors appear to be very 
competent, but again, even they do not hold any 'official certification'.
  Then there are the masts serviced directly by 'owners' with their helpers.  
Many or most of these owners have been doing this for years and are just as 
competent/skilled as the contractors.
  This leaves the 'fringe group'who are they and how many?  Probably not a 
lot, if any, and probably do not have big masts.  And if they do have big masts 
with no experience, they probably wouldn't even attempt to do the mast.  As you 
know, if you don't know what you are doing, it can be quite intimidating.  
  How many of these have the Waterfront Committee, or the yard staff, 
witnessed?  It has been my experience, if the yard manager and staff observe 
the slightest area of concern when a 'crew' is servicing a mast, they 
intervene. The most common infraction I see is someone not wearing a 'hard hat' 
and when the yard staff observe it, they immediately intervene.

  Regarding the jib crane, again 'no official certification'it's use is 
almost exclusively by boat owners.  The 'yard staff' use it on a regular basis 
but they do not hold any 'official certification.'  In my opinion, the majority 
of boats owners using the spar crane can do it better than the yard 
staff.they do it on a regular basismany weekly.

  Maybe the old saying comes into play here"If it ain't broke, don't fix 
it".

  Maybe from a liability perspective, anyone using these cranes must sign a 
waiver.club not responsible for members' use of cranesmake it an 
automatic part of club membership like buying a ski ticket.this way, there 
is no extra administration involved for anyone.  

  Bob Abbott
  AZURA
  C&C 32 - 84
  Halifax, N.S. 


  On 2013/06/26 12:39 PM, Knowles Rich wrote:

I'm on the Waterfront Committee at our yacht club and am reviewing the 
club's policies relating to use of the spar and jib cranes. The spar crane's 
capacity is 1,400# and the jib crane's 10,000#. The club permits members to 
work on their own boats including re and re spars and launching and retrieving 
boats that can be lifted by the jib crane. Many of the boats such as J24's that 
fit within the jib crane's capacity are dry sailed.


Our current practise is for members and know contractors to attend a 
briefing course on both cranes at least once every two years before they be 
allowed to use them. We have the usual cordoned off areas and hard hat rules.


There are infrequent almost-accidents, occasional mino

Re: Stus-List Bow Rollers

[Frederick G Street]

Stu -- I'll try to track down Joe Longtin of Moonlight while I'm up in Bayfield 
this next week.  He's been off the list for a few years; he was getting 
overwhelmed with daily emails and needed to cut back somewhere.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Jun 26, 2013, at 11:19 AM, Stu  wrote:

> If you look in the Do-it-yourself section of the Photo Album and Custom Bow 
> Rollers, there are several links to contact the owners of the specific 
> rollers.  Unfortunately, these links do not work anymore.
>  
> If you are still on the list, or know of these owners, please update me with 
> their current email addresses.
>  
> Tom – Chameleon
> Richard – Anonymous
> Joe – Moonlight
> Allan – C&C 30 MKII
> Tom – C&C 34
>  
> Thanx
> Stu

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Re: Stus-List What did our 70's/80's boats cost new?

[kelly petew]

pulled out papers from POs on my 30MKII and found original invoice.$84K was 
total, which included $4K in Md. taxes and about $5K in options.That works out 
to $2.8K/ ft.  Assuming inflation @ 3%, the implied replacement cost today 
would be about $160K. Pete W. Siren Song C&C 30MKIIDeltaville, VA.
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Stus-List WestMarine has 40% off of bulk lines

[dreuge]

Hi,

I noticed that WestMarine is having a 40% off sale on all bulk rope, but for 
today only.The website claims that this include brands like New England and 
Sampson.  

I have been planning on changing my old bloated reefing lines for some time 
now.   I have been looking online for good deals.  As you likely know, WM 
prices tend to be high, but at 44¢/ft for 3/8" Samson LS, I purchased 105" of 
it this morning(shipped to store).   The website main page has a banner 
announcement of the deal, but the online prices did not reflect the discount.   
I called WM, and they confirmed a glitch, and I ordered the line over the phone.

Thought I would pass this info along.  

http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DealsView?langId=-1&storeId=11151&catalogId=10001


-
Paul E.
1979 C&C 29 Mk1
S/V Johanna Rose
Carrabelle, FL


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Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

[Curtis]

New to this boat, I have been told that it is not a good choice for
off-shore day sails. That it may not be a safe boat.
Well here is the thing. I have been over the last year in some good puffs
and this boat seams very capable of handling 30 to 35 wit the correct sails
and reefed properly. She handles the chop in the Port royal Sound on the
fetch as well. rolling seas off the coast of 5 to 6 she takes of the nose
and still stays dry? With her deep draw and stiff build one would guess she
was a capable boat?
   Have any of you been an a long trip in a 30MK1 if so
please describe the experience. A blog would be great. Just trying to learn
all I can about my new old boat.

Thanks Capt, Curt

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the realist adjusts the sails.”
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Re: Stus-List Forgot -- There's Another Enterprise YouTube Video

[Hoyt, Mike]

"That symbol looks like a "
 
Love it!



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Edd
Schillay
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 12:33 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List Forgot -- There's Another Enterprise YouTube Video


This is from July 19, 2006 -- and I had nothing to do with it.  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJu2Yco-sxk

Someone was out filming the races, saw my boat for the first time, and
then did some editing on his own . . . 




All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
 

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Re: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

[Gary Nylander]

Someone did the Atlantic on a 30-1. The only concern I would have taking mine 
out for a long trip is the single lower shrouds, but I don't know why - they 
are tied into a pretty stout chainplate which is bolted (eight or ten or so) 
through a bulkhead. I would inspect that stuff, I would add a couple of 
additional cockpit drains, as the little originals seem to be a bit small. 
Other than that 

The boatyard owner has a Cal 40 (been to Bermuda a few times) and the mast 
section on that one is about the same size as a 30-1 and it only has single 
spreaders and the wall thickness on the Cal is actually thinner than that of 
the 30, so I doubt that a prudent sailor wouldn't be able to take a 30 anywhere.

Gary Nylander
#593
  - Original Message - 
  From: Curtis 
  To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com 
  Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:24 AM
  Subject: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?




  New to this boat, I have been told that it is not a good choice for off-shore 
day sails. That it may not be a safe boat. 
  Well here is the thing. I have been over the last year in some good puffs and 
this boat seams very capable of handling 30 to 35 wit the correct sails and 
reefed properly. She handles the chop in the Port royal Sound on the fetch as 
well. rolling seas off the coast of 5 to 6 she takes of the nose and still 
stays dry? With her deep draw and stiff build one would guess she was a capable 
boat? 
 Have any of you been an a long trip in a 30MK1 if so 
please describe the experience. A blog would be great. Just trying to learn all 
I can about my new old boat. 


  Thanks Capt, Curt



  -- 
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the realist adjusts the sails.” 


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Re: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

[Nate Flesness]

the photoalbum diagram shows she is one of the stiffest boats C&C built.
Mast, boom, standing rigging all overbuilt as well.
Have not heard of structural failures other than the mast step
deteriorating.
I think, for her size range, she is unusually capable.
In our case, I'm sure she can take more than her crew can.
We've sailed all day (and enjoyed it) in sustained 30 knots and 7-8 foot
waves on cold Lake Superior...
and of course the photoalbum has the story of an Atlantic crossing - but
note the observation "like sleeping in a washing machine"
They're great for a 30' boat...but they're still 30'.

Nate
"Sarah Jean"
1980 30-1
Siskiwit Bay Marina
Lake Superior
Cornucopia, WI




On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 9:24 AM, Curtis  wrote:

> New to this boat, I have been told that it is not a good choice for
> off-shore day sails. That it may not be a safe boat.
> Well here is the thing. I have been over the last year in some good puffs
> and this boat seams very capable of handling 30 to 35 wit the correct sails
> and reefed properly. She handles the chop in the Port royal Sound on the
> fetch as well. rolling seas off the coast of 5 to 6 she takes of the nose
> and still stays dry? With her deep draw and stiff build one would guess she
> was a capable boat?
>Have any of you been an a long trip in a 30MK1 if so
> please describe the experience. A blog would be great. Just trying to learn
> all I can about my new old boat.
>
> Thanks Capt, Curt
>
> --
> “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to
> change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
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Re: Stus-List Forgot -- There's Another Enterprise YouTube Video

[Edd Schillay]

Graham,

Our shirts are burgundy-colored. Since we're now on the Enterprise-B, 
we wanted crew shirts that matched the uniforms of the time.

See: 
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_-uUkf_pHt-Y/SZshR4_yfaI/DQ0/SALYywbdsDo/s400/star_trek_vi.jpg
 

And: https://www.dropbox.com/s/dkkiisjl2lt056r/CommanderRichard.jpg

If you're going to go geek, go all in. 


All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website

On Jun 26, 2013, at 8:22 PM, Graham Collins  wrote:

> Edd, I can not believe you guys were wearing red shirts, only Ensign Toast is 
> supposed to wear those and the results are predictable!
> Graham Collins
> Secret Plans
> C&C 35-III #11
> On 2013-06-26 12:32 PM, Edd Schillay wrote:
>> This is from July 19, 2006 -- and I had nothing to do with it. 
>> 
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJu2Yco-sxk
>> 
>> Someone was out filming the races, saw my boat for the first time, and then 
>> did some editing on his own . . . 
>> 
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> 
>>  All the best,
>> 
>>  Edd
>> 
>> 
>>  Edd M. Schillay
>>  Starship Enterprise
>>  C&C 37+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
>>  City Island, NY 
>>   Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website
>> 
>> 
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Re: Stus-List Forgot -- There's Another Enterprise YouTube Video

[Frederick G Street]

THAT'S where that page went; it disappeared from the web for a while.  Nice to 
see it's back!

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Jun 26, 2013, at 6:36 PM, schiller  wrote:

> Have you considered this approach?
> 
> http://www.thebeachcats.com/OnTheWire/westnet/_lpm/hobie/archives/v1-i2/humor.html

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Re: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

[Steve Thomas]

You have a better boat than the advice you were given, unless your boat has 
suffered some specific damage.
In good shape, I can't think of any boat that is both suitable for "off-shore 
day sails" and more seaworthy in any significant
way.


-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Curtis
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:24 AM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Subject: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?


New to this boat, I have been told that it is not a good choice for off-shore 
day sails. That it may not be a safe boat.
Well here is the thing. I have been over the last year in some good puffs and 
this boat seams very capable of handling 30 to 35
wit the correct sails and reefed properly. She handles the chop in the Port 
royal Sound on the fetch as well. rolling seas off the
coast of 5 to 6 she takes of the nose and still stays dry? With her deep draw 
and stiff build one would guess she was a capable
boat?
   Have any of you been an a long trip in a 30MK1 if so please 
describe the experience. A blog would be great.
Just trying to learn all I can about my new old boat.


Thanks Capt, Curt



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Re: Stus-List Steering Quadrant (Morgenstern, Keith E CIV SEA 08 NR)

[JPD]

almost-accidents, occasional minor gear and boat
damage and an accompanying ongoing concern about safety. The one serious
accident that I can recall involved a member getting whacked in the head by
an errant mast. His hard head saved him, but he did have to wear a neck
brace for some time. He was fortunate.
> 
> Your comments are welcome.
> 
> Rich.
> 
> Rich Knowles
> INDIGO LF38
> Halifax, NS.
> 
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I finally got the maps off of the cd I got.  There are maps for the entire
west coast of North and South America.  So worse case I have them on my PC
should I want to look at them in Mapsource.

After that the first challenge was the Garmin card reader uses a driver that
only works on 32 bit machines.  So after much todo I loaded it on an older
computer.  And burned some of the maps onto your chip.  Seemed to work fine.
The maps are on there (unfortunately your old maps aren't any longer).

But when I took it to the boat it said the were locked for that device.  The
issue is it has to be configured to work on my GPS which is controlled by
Mapsource.  You can only register two GPS's.  Not problem I've only
registered one, so I try and register the other.  Two, or was it three,
hours later still not registered.  Get half way through the nightmare and it
crashes.

So, I'm going to take everything back to the bare bones and start again -
i.e. revert to earlier versions of the software.  Then I'm going to try and
register my second GPS before I upgrade maps, etc.  

I'm likely going to need that cable to get my old GPS on the system and my
old map.  This will allow me to go after Garmin support.  Did you have an
extra on your boat?

The guy I got it from says he can do it for me if all else fails, but I'm
suspicious he won't run into the same problems.

Don


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I just sent a message to this list by accident, how I don't know.  Please
disregard it.  Sorry for the inconvenience.

 

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It's ok, Don. It was like watching a robbery in progress. No cops so far

Rich Knowles
Indigo. LF38
Halifax

On 2013-06-27, at 0:31, "Don Jonsson"  wrote:

Hello
 
I just sent a message to this list by accident, how I don?t know.  Please
disregard it.  Sorry for the inconvenience.
 
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Re: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

[Ronald B. Frerker]

Sailed the Chi-Mac race on a shoal draft 30-1 (4ft 6in) with 6 folks.  Started 
with light air but finished with some strong winds, a storm and pelting rain 
before clearing as we raced to the finish after Grey's reef.
Boat performed well but was not happy with the real light stuff (under 5).  
When the wind picked up we had the leeward stern rail 10ft above the water one 
minute and at water level next.  Don't know what that makes the wave height.  
Made bladder draining interesting.
On a close reach, a Peterson 34 had a terrible time passing us.
Boat was dry (except for the rain) and sailed easily.
Only tough part was trying to sleep six comfortably at Mackinaw island.  Some 
of us just crashed on deck.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30
STL





 From: Curtis 
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:24 AM
Subject: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?
 


New to this boat, I have been told that it is not a good choice for off-shore 
day sails. That it may not be a safe boat. 
Well here is the thing. I have been over the last year in some good puffs and 
this boat seams very capable of handling 30 to 35 wit the correct sails and 
reefed properly. She handles the chop in the Port royal Sound on the fetch as 
well. rolling seas off the coast of 5 to 6 she takes of the nose and still 
stays dry? With her deep draw and stiff build one would guess she was a capable 
boat? 
                   Have any of you been an a long trip in a 30MK1 if so please 
describe the experience. A blog would be great. Just trying to learn all I can 
about my new old boat. 

Thanks Capt, Curt

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realist adjusts the sails.” 
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Re: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

[Della Barba, Joe]

The C&C 30 is the most stable boat of any C&C built. I would have no problem 
sailing one to Bermuda or Europe except the generic one of being used to 5 more 
feet. C&C really has very few boats, if any, that are not SAFE offshore. 
Comfortable and dry – that is another thing entirely ;)


· Note these are ALL old boats now and could have any number of issues. 
A good survey is a good idea.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Ronald B. 
Frerker
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:25 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

Sailed the Chi-Mac race on a shoal draft 30-1 (4ft 6in) with 6 folks.  Started 
with light air but finished with some strong winds, a storm and pelting rain 
before clearing as we raced to the finish after Grey's reef.
Boat performed well but was not happy with the real light stuff (under 5).  
When the wind picked up we had the leeward stern rail 10ft above the water one 
minute and at water level next.  Don't know what that makes the wave height.  
Made bladder draining interesting.
On a close reach, a Peterson 34 had a terrible time passing us.
Boat was dry (except for the rain) and sailed easily.
Only tough part was trying to sleep six comfortably at Mackinaw island.  Some 
of us just crashed on deck.
Ron
Wild Cheri
C&C 30
STL




From: Curtis mailto:cpt.b...@gmail.com>>
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 9:24 AM
Subject: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

New to this boat, I have been told that it is not a good choice for off-shore 
day sails. That it may not be a safe boat.
Well here is the thing. I have been over the last year in some good puffs and 
this boat seams very capable of handling 30 to 35 wit the correct sails and 
reefed properly. She handles the chop in the Port royal Sound on the fetch as 
well. rolling seas off the coast of 5 to 6 she takes of the nose and still 
stays dry? With her deep draw and stiff build one would guess she was a capable 
boat?
   Have any of you been an a long trip in a 30MK1 if so please 
describe the experience. A blog would be great. Just trying to learn all I can 
about my new old boat.

Thanks Capt, Curt

--
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realist adjusts the sails.”

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Re: Stus-List WestMarine has 40% off of bulk lines

[Chuck Saur]

Hi gang from sunny Michigan...

Yes, I can relate to bad lines in need of upgrade, and the prices look good
for what I need...now...my line length table from my manual is up north on
the boat, of course.  Having it just hanging around here did not make
sense, eh?Does anyone have access to the page in the manual that lists
line diameter and length info for running rigging?  Most of the lines were
50 feet if I recall, and 3/8 inch the dominant diameter.  This is for my 35
mk3.

Help?


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:21 AM,  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I noticed that WestMarine is having a 40% off sale on all bulk rope, but
> for today only.The website claims that this include brands like New
> England and Sampson.
>
> I have been planning on changing my old bloated reefing lines for some
> time now.   I have been looking online for good deals.  As you likely know,
> WM prices tend to be high, but at 44¢/ft for 3/8" Samson LS, I purchased
> 105" of it this morning(shipped to store).   The website main page has a
> banner announcement of the deal, but the online prices did not reflect the
> discount.   I called WM, and they confirmed a glitch, and I ordered the
> line over the phone.
>
> Thought I would pass this info along.
>
>
> http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DealsView?langId=-1&storeId=11151&catalogId=10001
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1979 C&C 29 Mk1
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
>
>
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Michigan Department of Education,
Office of Special Education
cs...@cenmi.org
(517)490-5926 cell preferred
(517)908-3919 office

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Fitzgerald
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Re: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

[Joseph Bognar]

Curt: There is a boat Called Siggys Dancer out of the National Yacht Club in
Toronto. He was the winner in all of his races and then he sailed her to
florida. The only thing that he did was re inforce the knees for the
chainplates. If the photos are still up on the Photo album have a look there
> I have a 1979 era 30 and it is a really stiff boat. Every time I reef I
end up taking it out as the wind changes. I usually sail her with a 135
genoa in heavy air. I have a Gennaker with a sock that is easy to fly and
douse . The Shark a 24 ft hinterholler design and part of the C&C family
sailed to Australia with a family of four. There is a page called sharkbites
and the story is on there .Have fun with your boat and as long as the motor
and rigging is sound go have fun with it .

 

Joe Bognar

In Luff Again II 

Grimsby,On

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Thomas
Sent: June-27-13 11:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

 

You have a better boat than the advice you were given, unless your boat has
suffered some specific damage. 

In good shape, I can't think of any boat that is both suitable for
"off-shore day sails" and more seaworthy in any significant way. 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Curtis
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:24 AM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com  
Subject: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

New to this boat, I have been told that it is not a good choice for
off-shore day sails. That it may not be a safe boat.  

Well here is the thing. I have been over the last year in some good puffs
and this boat seams very capable of handling 30 to 35 wit the correct sails
and reefed properly. She handles the chop in the Port royal Sound on the
fetch as well. rolling seas off the coast of 5 to 6 she takes of the nose
and still stays dry? With her deep draw and stiff build one would guess she
was a capable boat? 

   Have any of you been an a long trip in a 30MK1 if so
please describe the experience. A blog would be great. Just trying to learn
all I can about my new old boat. 

 

Thanks Capt, Curt


 

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the realist adjusts the sails." 

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Re: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

[Joseph Bognar]

Curt: There is a boat Called Siggys Dancer out of the National Yacht Club in
Toronto. He was the winner in all of his races and then he sailed her to
florida. The only thing that he did was re inforce the knees for the
chainplates. If the photos are still up on the Photo album have a look there
> I have a 1979 era 30 and it is a really stiff boat. Every time I reef I
end up taking it out as the wind changes. I usually sail her with a 135
genoa in heavy air. I have a Gennaker with a sock that is easy to fly and
douse . The Shark a 24 ft hinterholler design and part of the C&C family
sailed to Australia with a family of four. There is a page called sharkbites
and the story is on there .Have fun with your boat and as long as the motor
and rigging is sound go have fun with it .

 

Joe Bognar

In Luff Again II 

Grimsby,On

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Thomas
Sent: June-27-13 11:11 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

 

You have a better boat than the advice you were given, unless your boat has
suffered some specific damage. 

In good shape, I can't think of any boat that is both suitable for
"off-shore day sails" and more seaworthy in any significant way. 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Curtis
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:24 AM
To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com  
Subject: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

New to this boat, I have been told that it is not a good choice for
off-shore day sails. That it may not be a safe boat.  

Well here is the thing. I have been over the last year in some good puffs
and this boat seams very capable of handling 30 to 35 wit the correct sails
and reefed properly. She handles the chop in the Port royal Sound on the
fetch as well. rolling seas off the coast of 5 to 6 she takes of the nose
and still stays dry? With her deep draw and stiff build one would guess she
was a capable boat? 

   Have any of you been an a long trip in a 30MK1 if so
please describe the experience. A blog would be great. Just trying to learn
all I can about my new old boat. 

 

Thanks Capt, Curt


 

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the realist adjusts the sails." 

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Re: Stus-List WestMarine has 40% off of bulk lines

[Joel Aronson]

Chuck,

Don't have my manual.  I went with 7/16 VPC for halyards.  They were less
stretchy than Sta-Set without breaking the bank.  Obviously, you could go
high tech and strip covers if you want to spend the money.
I think the main and jib halyards were 115 feet each to cabin-top clutches
and winches.

Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis



On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Chuck Saur  wrote:

> Hi gang from sunny Michigan...
>
> Yes, I can relate to bad lines in need of upgrade, and the prices look
> good for what I need...now...my line length table from my manual is up
> north on the boat, of course.  Having it just hanging around here did not
> make sense, eh?Does anyone have access to the page in the manual that
> lists line diameter and length info for running rigging?  Most of the lines
> were 50 feet if I recall, and 3/8 inch the dominant diameter.  This is for
> my 35 mk3.
>
> Help?
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:21 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I noticed that WestMarine is having a 40% off sale on all bulk rope, but
>> for today only.The website claims that this include brands like New
>> England and Sampson.
>>
>> I have been planning on changing my old bloated reefing lines for some
>> time now.   I have been looking online for good deals.  As you likely know,
>> WM prices tend to be high, but at 44¢/ft for 3/8" Samson LS, I purchased
>> 105" of it this morning(shipped to store).   The website main page has a
>> banner announcement of the deal, but the online prices did not reflect the
>> discount.   I called WM, and they confirmed a glitch, and I ordered the
>> line over the phone.
>>
>> Thought I would pass this info along.
>>
>>
>> http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DealsView?langId=-1&storeId=11151&catalogId=10001
>>
>>
>> -
>> Paul E.
>> 1979 C&C 29 Mk1
>> S/V Johanna Rose
>> Carrabelle, FL
>>
>>
>> ___
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> *Chuck Saur*
> Director,
> Michigan Transition Outcomes Project (MI-TOP)
> Michigan Department of Education,
> Office of Special Education
> cs...@cenmi.org
> (517)490-5926 cell preferred
> (517)908-3919 office
>
> "...we are holding our own."   -Capt Earnest McSorley, M/V Edumund
> Fitzgerald
>
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>


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Stus-List Bermuda to Norfolk

[Joel Aronson]

I completed my sail yesterday on a Pacific Seacraft 37.  We saw almost
everything in terms of weather- winds from 0 to 60, seas, 0 to 10!  I've
read about Gulf crossings with heavy wind and seas and thunderstorms from
out of nowhere.  We hit the trifecta - had all 3.  Details are probably too
long to post, but are at at www.facebook.com/TheOffice35.

It will be different next year when I do the A2B!

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301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List WestMarine has 40% off of bulk lines

[Stevan Plavsa]

Try looking at Cajun's site, they have rigging kits for our boats and they
list what's in the kit, length and diameter .. if I'm not mistaken!

Steve
Suhana, C&C 32
Toronto



On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Joel Aronson wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> Don't have my manual.  I went with 7/16 VPC for halyards.  They were less
> stretchy than Sta-Set without breaking the bank.  Obviously, you could go
> high tech and strip covers if you want to spend the money.
> I think the main and jib halyards were 115 feet each to cabin-top clutches
> and winches.
>
> Joel
> 35/3
> The Office
> Annapolis
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 1:19 PM, Chuck Saur  wrote:
>
>> Hi gang from sunny Michigan...
>>
>> Yes, I can relate to bad lines in need of upgrade, and the prices look
>> good for what I need...now...my line length table from my manual is up
>> north on the boat, of course.  Having it just hanging around here did not
>> make sense, eh?Does anyone have access to the page in the manual that
>> lists line diameter and length info for running rigging?  Most of the lines
>> were 50 feet if I recall, and 3/8 inch the dominant diameter.  This is for
>> my 35 mk3.
>>
>> Help?
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:21 AM,  wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I noticed that WestMarine is having a 40% off sale on all bulk rope, but
>>> for today only.The website claims that this include brands like New
>>> England and Sampson.
>>>
>>> I have been planning on changing my old bloated reefing lines for some
>>> time now.   I have been looking online for good deals.  As you likely know,
>>> WM prices tend to be high, but at 44¢/ft for 3/8" Samson LS, I purchased
>>> 105" of it this morning(shipped to store).   The website main page has a
>>> banner announcement of the deal, but the online prices did not reflect the
>>> discount.   I called WM, and they confirmed a glitch, and I ordered the
>>> line over the phone.
>>>
>>> Thought I would pass this info along.
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DealsView?langId=-1&storeId=11151&catalogId=10001
>>>
>>>
>>> -
>>> Paul E.
>>> 1979 C&C 29 Mk1
>>> S/V Johanna Rose
>>> Carrabelle, FL
>>>
>>>
>>> ___
>>> This List is provided by the C&C Photo Album
>>> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com
>>> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> *Chuck Saur*
>> Director,
>> Michigan Transition Outcomes Project (MI-TOP)
>> Michigan Department of Education,
>> Office of Special Education
>> cs...@cenmi.org
>> (517)490-5926 cell preferred
>> (517)908-3919 office
>>
>> "...we are holding our own."   -Capt Earnest McSorley, M/V Edumund
>> Fitzgerald
>>
>> ___
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>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
>
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Re: Stus-List Bermuda to Norfolk

[Frederick G Street]

Here are the numbers for my slightly larger LF38; all lines led back to the 
cockpit.  This is from an order I placed with Cajun Ropes in 2007 -- they had 
all the lengths on file.  I have since upsized the mainsheet from 3/8" to 
7/16", as it was slipping in the clutch:

> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38)
> 
> 
> Main halyard:  105 feet of 7/16" XLE, white w/blue
> flecks, headboard  shackle
> 
> Jib halyard (port):  110 feet of 7/16" XLE, white w/red
> flecks, swivel  snap shackle
> 
> Jib halyard (starboard):  110 feet of 7/16" XLE, green
> w/white flecks,  swivel snap shackle
> 
> Spinnaker halyard:  110 feet of 7/16" XLE, blue w/white
> flecks, swivel  snap shackle
> 
> Spinnaker pole lift:  80 feet of 3/8" XLE, white w/blue
> flecks, swivel  snap shackle
> 
> Reef 1:  50 feet of 3/8" XLE, white w/green flecks,
> whipped ends
> 
> Reef 2:  75 feet of 3/8" XLE, white w/red flecks,
> whipped ends
> 
> Mainsheet:  55 feet of 3/8" XLE, white w/red flecks,
> small eye one end
> 
> Port traveler:  20 feet of 3/8" XLE, white w/red
> flecks, small eye one  end
> 
> Starboard traveler:  20 feet of 3/8" XLE, white w/red
> flecks, small eye  one end
> 
> Furling line:  60 feet of 5/16" XLE, red w/white flecks
> 
> Jib sheets:  (2) x 45 feet of 9/16" XLE, white w/red
> flecks, whipped  ends
> 
> Outhaul:  15 feet of 5/16" XLE, white w/red flecks
> 
> 
> Regards
> Gary d'Entremont
> 
> -- 
> Cajun Trading Company Ltd.
> Custom Yacht Rigging
> www.cajuntrading.ca
> 1-888-ASK-CAJUN (275-2258)


Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI



On Jun 27, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

> I completed my sail yesterday on a Pacific Seacraft 37.  We saw almost 
> everything in terms of weather- winds from 0 to 60, seas, 0 to 10!  I've read 
> about Gulf crossings with heavy wind and seas and thunderstorms from out of 
> nowhere.  We hit the trifecta - had all 3.  Details are probably too long to 
> post, but are at at www.facebook.com/TheOffice35.
> 
> It will be different next year when I do the A2B!
> 
> -- 
> Joel 
> 301 541 8551
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Re: Stus-List Bermuda to Norfolk

[Joel Aronson]

Fred,

Actually your stick is the same height as a 35/3.

Joel


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Frederick G Street wrote:

> Here are the numbers for my slightly larger LF38; all lines led back to
> the cockpit.  This is from an order I placed with Cajun Ropes in 2007 --
> they had all the lengths on file.  I have since upsized the mainsheet from
> 3/8" to 7/16", as it was slipping in the clutch:
>
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38)
>
>
> Main halyard:  105 feet of 7/16" XLE, white w/blue
> flecks, headboard  shackle
>
> Jib halyard (port):  110 feet of 7/16" XLE, white w/red
> flecks, swivel  snap shackle
>
> Jib halyard (starboard):  110 feet of 7/16" XLE, green
> w/white flecks,  swivel snap shackle
>
> Spinnaker halyard:  110 feet of 7/16" XLE, blue w/white
> flecks, swivel  snap shackle
>
> Spinnaker pole lift:  80 feet of 3/8" XLE, white w/blue
> flecks, swivel  snap shackle
>
> Reef 1:  50 feet of 3/8" XLE, white w/green flecks,
> whipped ends
>
> Reef 2:  75 feet of 3/8" XLE, white w/red flecks,
> whipped ends
>
> Mainsheet:  55 feet of 3/8" XLE, white w/red flecks,
> small eye one end
>
> Port traveler:  20 feet of 3/8" XLE, white w/red
> flecks, small eye one  end
>
> Starboard traveler:  20 feet of 3/8" XLE, white w/red
> flecks, small eye  one end
>
> Furling line:  60 feet of 5/16" XLE, red w/white flecks
>
> Jib sheets:  (2) x 45 feet of 9/16" XLE, white w/red
> flecks, whipped  ends
>
> Outhaul:  15 feet of 5/16" XLE, white w/red flecks
>
>
> Regards
> Gary d'Entremont
>
> --
> Cajun Trading Company Ltd.
> Custom Yacht Rigging
> www.cajuntrading.ca
> 1-888-ASK-CAJUN (275-2258)
>
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
>
>
> On Jun 27, 2013, at 12:49 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:
>
> I completed my sail yesterday on a Pacific Seacraft 37.  We saw almost
> everything in terms of weather- winds from 0 to 60, seas, 0 to 10!  I've
> read about Gulf crossings with heavy wind and seas and thunderstorms from
> out of nowhere.  We hit the trifecta - had all 3.  Details are probably too
> long to post, but are at at www.facebook.com/TheOffice35.
>
> It will be different next year when I do the A2B!
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
> ___
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> http://www.cncphotoalbum.com
> CnC-List@cnc-list.com
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Bermuda to Norfolk

[Frederick G Street]

Don't get personal -- I hardly know you…   :^)

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI

On Jun 27, 2013, at 2:14 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

> Fred,
> 
> Actually your stick is the same height as a 35/3.

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Re: Stus-List Bermuda to Norfolk

[Joel Aronson]

I thought it was a complement! :)


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:16 PM, Frederick G Street wrote:

> Don't get personal -- I hardly know you…   :^)
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Jun 27, 2013, at 2:14 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:
>
> Fred,
>
> Actually your stick is the same height as a 35/3.
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Bermuda to Norfolk

[Frederick G Street]

How did you like St George's?  Were you at the Dinghy Club, or just anchored 
out?  And BTW, yes the food at Wahoo is good.

Fred Street -- Minneapolis
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On Jun 27, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

> I thought it was a complement! :)

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Re: Stus-List Bermuda to Norfolk

[Joel Aronson]

Fred,
I was only there for about 20 hours and spent 18 on the boat getting it
ready or sleeping.  I liked what little I saw.  Even the Customs agents
were friendly.
We were at the Dinghy Club by ourselves, as the 1-2 racers had left that
morning.
Joel


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Frederick G Street wrote:

> How did you like St George's?  Were you at the Dinghy Club, or just
> anchored out?  And BTW, yes the food at Wahoo is good.
>
>
> Fred Street -- Minneapolis
> S/V Oceanis (1979 C&C Landfall 38) -- Bayfield, WI
>
> On Jun 27, 2013, at 2:17 PM, Joel Aronson  wrote:
>
> I thought it was a complement! :)
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

[Curtis]

That’s great to know. Like I said this is a 1981 boat. the PO raced
her a bit but never hurt it. Is seems to be very stiff in the hull and
the standing rigging is tight with little signs of wear. I cut off all
the white covering from the OEM Stainless life lines they looked good
as well. They were a bit stretched so I replaced it with Amsteel blue
rope. It sails remarkable close to the wind and seems to like the
heavy stuff.
It’s hard to get moving in light air. Over all, I love it. I was just
not sure if it could stand a strand day like 20 0R 30 miles out.
I also have a asymmetrical in a dousing sock that has not been flown.
I want to use it. Should I pick a light wind day to try this sail?


On 6/27/13, Joseph Bognar  wrote:
> Curt: There is a boat Called Siggys Dancer out of the National Yacht Club
> in
> Toronto. He was the winner in all of his races and then he sailed her to
> florida. The only thing that he did was re inforce the knees for the
> chainplates. If the photos are still up on the Photo album have a look
> there
>> I have a 1979 era 30 and it is a really stiff boat. Every time I reef I
> end up taking it out as the wind changes. I usually sail her with a 135
> genoa in heavy air. I have a Gennaker with a sock that is easy to fly and
> douse . The Shark a 24 ft hinterholler design and part of the C&C family
> sailed to Australia with a family of four. There is a page called
> sharkbites
> and the story is on there .Have fun with your boat and as long as the motor
> and rigging is sound go have fun with it .
>
>
>
> Joe Bognar
>
> In Luff Again II
>
> Grimsby,On
>
>
>
>
>
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Steve
> Thomas
> Sent: June-27-13 11:11 AM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?
>
>
>
> You have a better boat than the advice you were given, unless your boat has
> suffered some specific damage.
>
> In good shape, I can't think of any boat that is both suitable for
> "off-shore day sails" and more seaworthy in any significant way.
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]On Behalf Of Curtis
> Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 10:24 AM
> To: CnC-List@cnc-list.com 
> Subject: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?
>
> New to this boat, I have been told that it is not a good choice for
> off-shore day sails. That it may not be a safe boat.
>
> Well here is the thing. I have been over the last year in some good puffs
> and this boat seams very capable of handling 30 to 35 wit the correct sails
> and reefed properly. She handles the chop in the Port royal Sound on the
> fetch as well. rolling seas off the coast of 5 to 6 she takes of the nose
> and still stays dry? With her deep draw and stiff build one would guess she
> was a capable boat?
>
>Have any of you been an a long trip in a 30MK1 if so
> please describe the experience. A blog would be great. Just trying to learn
> all I can about my new old boat.
>
>
>
> Thanks Capt, Curt
>
>
>
>
> --
> "The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change;
> the realist adjusts the sails."
>
>


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Re: Stus-List WestMarine has 40% off of bulk lines

[Dennis C.]

Chuck,

I wouldn't use the original line specs.  Those were written years ago.  Lines 
are better and stronger now.  I'd go to New England Ropes or apsltd.com and use 
their line selector.  You may end up a size smaller than the manual specs.  


For my 35-1, I'm looking at 10 mm (3/8) VPC for jib sheets.  I use StaSet X 
Plus for halyards.  I usually buy an extra 10-15 feet so I can end for end any 
lines that get damaged on the active end.  This policy has saved me $$ over the 
years.

Dennis C.
Touche' 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA





>
> From: Chuck Saur 
>To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
>Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:19 PM
>Subject: Re: Stus-List WestMarine has 40% off of bulk lines
> 
>
>
>Hi gang from sunny Michigan...
>
>
>Yes, I can relate to bad lines in need of upgrade, and the prices look good 
>for what I need...now...my line length table from my manual is up north on the 
>boat, of course.  Having it just hanging around here did not make sense, eh?   
> Does anyone have access to the page in the manual that lists line diameter 
>and length info for running rigging?  Most of the lines were 50 feet if I 
>recall, and 3/8 inch the dominant diameter.  This is for my 35 mk3.
>
>
>Help?
>
>
>
>On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:21 AM,  wrote:
>
>Hi,
>>
>>I noticed that WestMarine is having a 40% off sale on all bulk rope, but for 
>>today only.    The website claims that this include brands like New England 
>>and Sampson.
>>
>>I have been planning on changing my old bloated reefing lines for some time 
>>now.   I have been looking online for good deals.  As you likely know, WM 
>>prices tend to be high, but at 44¢/ft for 3/8" Samson LS, I purchased 105" of 
>>it this morning(shipped to store).   The website main page has a banner 
>>announcement of the deal, but the online prices did not reflect the discount. 
>>  I called WM, and they confirmed a glitch, and I ordered the line over the 
>>phone.
>>
>>Thought I would pass this info along.
>>
>>http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DealsView?langId=-1&storeId=11151&catalogId=10001
>>
>>
>>-
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>>1979 C&C 29 Mk1
>>S/V Johanna Rose
>>Carrabelle, FL
>>
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Re: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

[Antoine Rose]

Curt,
Who ever told you this boat is not a good choice for offshore didn't know what 
he was talking about.
I sailed this boat (1973 vintage) across the Atlantic twice, with a crew of 
three in 2008 to Europe and singlehanded back in 2010. I've never be been 
worried about the safety and seaworthiness of the boat. No wave ever made it to 
the cockpit, except once when the boat was almost knocked down in the Gulf of 
Biscay
Now, that being said, the fact that a C&C 30 did that does not mean that you 
can take any C&C 30 and leave tomorrow morning. The boat has to be in good 
shape and prepared for the intended navigation.
Often, people focus too much on the quality of boats, leaving aside 
competencies of the crew. Boats are most often more endurable than the crew. 
For the ocean, here are some items that were fixed:
- Redid mast step, essential to get a stiff rigging.
- Change the whole rigging using stalock fittings and added a removable inner 
forestay for heavy sails.
- Dismantled and checked chainplates
- Re laminated the starboard bulkhead near the stove
- Dismantled the whole rudder system for inspection and stiffening
- Changed the sails
- Installed a windvane
- Redid the whole electrical system (wires, panel, battery, charging system and 
wind generator)
- Replaced all thruhulls and related plumbing
- Built a new septic tank and replace the toilet. Won't buy a Jabsco again, 
would go for higher quality on the ocean.
There are many other things, but I'll stop here for now.
I would go back on the ocean anytime with this boat.

Antoine (C&C 30 Cousin)

Le 2013-06-27 à 10:24, Curtis a écrit :

> New to this boat, I have been told that it is not a good choice for off-shore 
> day sails. That it may not be a safe boat. 
> Well here is the thing. I have been over the last year in some good puffs and 
> this boat seams very capable of handling 30 to 35 wit the correct sails and 
> reefed properly. She handles the chop in the Port royal Sound on the fetch as 
> well. rolling seas off the coast of 5 to 6 she takes of the nose and still 
> stays dry? With her deep draw and stiff build one would guess she was a 
> capable boat? 
>Have any of you been an a long trip in a 30MK1 if so 
> please describe the experience. A blog would be great. Just trying to learn 
> all I can about my new old boat. 
> 
> Thanks Capt, Curt
> 
> -- 
> “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to change; 
> the realist adjusts the sails.”
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Re: Stus-List WestMarine has 40% off of bulk lines

[Chuck Saur]

Thanks all...I recall a grid that had lengths for reef/outhaul/etc control
lines.  Just needed that stuff right now.  And...with the 'new' VPC and
StaSet, do we need to worry at all about changing sheaves from wire to
nylon, etc?Thanks again.  Waiting to press the "send" button to put the
WM sales quota over the top for today;-)

Chuck Saur
35-3 Morning Sky

On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Dennis C.  wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> I wouldn't use the original line specs.  Those were written years ago.
> Lines are better and stronger now.  I'd go to New England Ropes or
> apsltd.com and use their line selector.  You may end up a size smaller
> than the manual specs.  
>
> For my 35-1, I'm looking at 10 mm (3/8) VPC for jib sheets.  I use StaSet
> X Plus for halyards.  I usually buy an extra 10-15 feet so I can end for
> end any lines that get damaged on the active end.  This policy has saved me
> $$ over the years.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>   --
>  *From:* Chuck Saur 
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:19 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List WestMarine has 40% off of bulk lines
>
> Hi gang from sunny Michigan...
>
> Yes, I can relate to bad lines in need of upgrade, and the prices look
> good for what I need...now...my line length table from my manual is up
> north on the boat, of course.  Having it just hanging around here did not
> make sense, eh?Does anyone have access to the page in the manual that
> lists line diameter and length info for running rigging?  Most of the lines
> were 50 feet if I recall, and 3/8 inch the dominant diameter.  This is for
> my 35 mk3.
>
> Help?
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:21 AM,  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I noticed that WestMarine is having a 40% off sale on all bulk rope, but
> for today only.The website claims that this include brands like New
> England and Sampson.
>
> I have been planning on changing my old bloated reefing lines for some
> time now.   I have been looking online for good deals.  As you likely know,
> WM prices tend to be high, but at 44¢/ft for 3/8" Samson LS, I purchased
> 105" of it this morning(shipped to store).   The website main page has a
> banner announcement of the deal, but the online prices did not reflect the
> discount.   I called WM, and they confirmed a glitch, and I ordered the
> line over the phone.
>
> Thought I would pass this info along.
>
>
> http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DealsView?langId=-1&storeId=11151&catalogId=10001
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1979 C&C 29 Mk1
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
>
>
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Re: Stus-List C&C30 MK1 5' draw on the keel?

[Curtis]

Well that is great news. I don't think I will ever be able to make an
Atlantic crossing. I do want to be able to take her up and down the eastern
seaboard for the next 15 to 20 years. My wife will retire in the next 5 -8
years if all goes as expected. We hope to have a $20,000 a year kitty to
sail on for the first 10years.



I picked up this boat from a family that's Father purchased the boat new in
1981. In his 80's now and stage 3 Alzheimer’s he had many stories to tell
me of the boat and the many races he won… He just could not remember
telling me the stories and would re tell the story in the next 15 minutes.
It was quite sad, but at the same time you could tell he had a love affair
with this boat, and was so happy to see it go to someone that would love it
like him. Your experience along with his stories gives me confidence that
the boat will out last me by decades. If you have a blog, I would love to
read about your adventures and hopefully learn from it as well. I want to
start this out right. I don’t want to scare my wife by making dumb
mistakes. I don’t want to do it alone and she is all about it right now.
Thanks again for your time and Here is a link to my blog you
can see the my boat and all the work I pit into her. She looks good after
sitting for 5 years on the hook.

Cheers,   http://eastcostlady.blogspot.com/

Capt, Curt


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Antoine Rose wrote:

> Curt,
> Who ever told you this boat is not a good choice for offshore didn't know
> what he was talking about.
> I sailed this boat (1973 vintage) across the Atlantic twice, with a crew
> of three in 2008 to Europe and singlehanded back in 2010. I've never be
> been worried about the safety and seaworthiness of the boat. No wave ever
> made it to the cockpit, except once when the boat was almost knocked down
> in the Gulf of Biscay
> Now, that being said, the fact that a C&C 30 did that does not mean that
> you can take any C&C 30 and leave tomorrow morning. The boat has to be in
> good shape and prepared for the intended navigation.
> Often, people focus too much on the quality of boats, leaving aside
> competencies of the crew. Boats are most often more endurable than the crew.
> For the ocean, here are some items that were fixed:
> - Redid mast step, essential to get a stiff rigging.
> - Change the whole rigging using stalock fittings and added a removable
> inner forestay for heavy sails.
> - Dismantled and checked chainplates
> - Re laminated the starboard bulkhead near the stove
> - Dismantled the whole rudder system for inspection and stiffening
> - Changed the sails
> - Installed a windvane
> - Redid the whole electrical system (wires, panel, battery, charging
> system and wind generator)
> - Replaced all thruhulls and related plumbing
> - Built a new septic tank and replace the toilet. Won't buy a Jabsco
> again, would go for higher quality on the ocean.
> There are many other things, but I'll stop here for now.
> I would go back on the ocean anytime with this boat.
>
> Antoine (C&C 30 Cousin)
>
> Le 2013-06-27 à 10:24, Curtis a écrit :
>
> > New to this boat, I have been told that it is not a good choice for
> off-shore day sails. That it may not be a safe boat.
> > Well here is the thing. I have been over the last year in some good
> puffs and this boat seams very capable of handling 30 to 35 wit the correct
> sails and reefed properly. She handles the chop in the Port royal Sound on
> the fetch as well. rolling seas off the coast of 5 to 6 she takes of the
> nose and still stays dry? With her deep draw and stiff build one would
> guess she was a capable boat?
> >Have any of you been an a long trip in a 30MK1 if so
> please describe the experience. A blog would be great. Just trying to learn
> all I can about my new old boat.
> >
> > Thanks Capt, Curt
> >
> > --
> > “The pessimist complains about the wind; the optimist expects it to
> change; the realist adjusts the sails.”
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Re: Stus-List WestMarine has 40% off of bulk lines

[Joel Aronson]

If sheaves are smooth you can use them.

Joel Aronson


On Jun 27, 2013, at 9:41 PM, Chuck Saur  wrote:

Thanks all...I recall a grid that had lengths for reef/outhaul/etc control
lines.  Just needed that stuff right now.  And...with the 'new' VPC and
StaSet, do we need to worry at all about changing sheaves from wire to
nylon, etc?Thanks again.  Waiting to press the "send" button to put the
WM sales quota over the top for today;-)

Chuck Saur
35-3 Morning Sky

On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Dennis C.  wrote:

> Chuck,
>
> I wouldn't use the original line specs.  Those were written years ago.
> Lines are better and stronger now.  I'd go to New England Ropes or
> apsltd.com and use their line selector.  You may end up a size smaller
> than the manual specs.  
>
> For my 35-1, I'm looking at 10 mm (3/8) VPC for jib sheets.  I use StaSet
> X Plus for halyards.  I usually buy an extra 10-15 feet so I can end for
> end any lines that get damaged on the active end.  This policy has saved me
> $$ over the years.
>
> Dennis C.
> Touche' 35-1 #83
> Mandeville, LA
>
>
>   --
>  *From:* Chuck Saur 
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 27, 2013 12:19 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List WestMarine has 40% off of bulk lines
>
> Hi gang from sunny Michigan...
>
> Yes, I can relate to bad lines in need of upgrade, and the prices look
> good for what I need...now...my line length table from my manual is up
> north on the boat, of course.  Having it just hanging around here did not
> make sense, eh?Does anyone have access to the page in the manual that
> lists line diameter and length info for running rigging?  Most of the lines
> were 50 feet if I recall, and 3/8 inch the dominant diameter.  This is for
> my 35 mk3.
>
> Help?
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 10:21 AM,  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I noticed that WestMarine is having a 40% off sale on all bulk rope, but
> for today only.The website claims that this include brands like New
> England and Sampson.
>
> I have been planning on changing my old bloated reefing lines for some
> time now.   I have been looking online for good deals.  As you likely know,
> WM prices tend to be high, but at 44¢/ft for 3/8" Samson LS, I purchased
> 105" of it this morning(shipped to store).   The website main page has a
> banner announcement of the deal, but the online prices did not reflect the
> discount.   I called WM, and they confirmed a glitch, and I ordered the
> line over the phone.
>
> Thought I would pass this info along.
>
>
> http://www.westmarine.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/DealsView?langId=-1&storeId=11151&catalogId=10001
>
>
> -
> Paul E.
> 1979 C&C 29 Mk1
> S/V Johanna Rose
> Carrabelle, FL
>
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Stus-List Spinnakers available

[Dennis C.]

I received this from a friend. 

   I have 2 racing spinnakers from my old Tartan 33 Esprit De Vie boat for 
sale: One is a 0.5 oz (light air) blue sym spinnaker with 22’8” foot and 
44’4”luff & leach. The other is a 1.5 oz green sym spinnaker with 21’10” foot & 
44’1” luff/leach. 

I know nothing about these chutes.  I don't know what they are worth or how 
much he wants.  If you are interested, reply to me off list and I will forward 
your interest to my friend. 

Dennis C.
Touché 35-1 #83
Mandeville, LA

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