Re: Stus-List Backstay tension

[dwight veinot]

Is it recommended to periodically replace the hydraulic fluid in the Navtec
backstay adjusters?  

 

If so is it a DIY project and what is the recommended replacement fluid? 

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson
Sent: November 26, 2012 11:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay tension

 

I have the same original unit as Jake.  The fluid apparently had never been
changed.  It was like molasses instead of looking like vegetable oil.  It
would have been cheaper to replace it, but I didn't know that going in, so I
had it all flushed and rebuilt.

 

If your hydraulic backstay has never been serviced, it may need attention.

Joel

35/3

Annapolis

Sent from my iPad


On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:46 PM, dwight veinot 
wrote:

Jake 

 

My Navtec adjuster is probably an older unit than what you have.  It came to
me with the boat so I am guessing it is probably around 15 or more years
old.  It is an integral unit and the gage and knob for the relief valve are
attached on opposite sides near the base of the square looking cylinder.  I
think it reads in psi and its readings correlate quite well at around
800-1200 psi when I check backstay tension with my Loos gage but my
inexpensive Loos gage max's out at around 1200 on 9/32 wire so it is not
useful for tension comparisons above that. I have tensioned the backstay
incrementally to 3000 lbs according to its gage but as I said earlier
tensions above 1200 psi has no noticeable effect on pointing ability or boat
speed but a slight effect on weather helm and head stay sag.  I spend my
cruising time fiddling around with a lot of adjustments and measurements but
I am happy to admit that I am still learning and very interested in what
others have to contribute. 

 

I guess I have been lucky that the hydraulic seals have lasted as long as
they have without problems.

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS


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From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jake
Brodersen
Sent: November 26, 2012 7:55 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay tension

 

Dwight,

 

If you Navtec gauge is like mine (in a panel), it probably reads direct
pressure, not the pressure exerted on the backstay.  They would be the same
if the piston area was 1 sq. inch, but otherwise the pressure times the
piston area will give you the tension on the backstay.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

"Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

 

 

 





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Re: Stus-List Backstay tension

[Joel Aronson]

Dwight,

Navtec sells a fluid in about a 32 ounce bottle.  I only found one rigger
in Annapolis who carried it.  Becasue my whole system needed to be flushed
and rebuilt I did not tackle it, but it seems like you should be able to
DIY.  On the system that I have there is a reservoir, pump and piston.  The
fluid was sticking to the inside of the reservoir, so that had to be
replaced too.
I don't know if there is a recommended service interval, but if the fluid
is cloudy I would seriously consider changing it.  If you have a newer
system that is all one unit it should be much easier.
Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:47 AM, dwight veinot  wrote:

> ** ** ** **
>
> Is it recommended to periodically replace the hydraulic fluid in the
> Navtec backstay adjusters?  
>
> ** **
>
> If so is it a DIY project and what is the recommended replacement fluid? *
> ***
>
> ** **
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>   --
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Aronson
> *Sent:* November 26, 2012 11:03 PM
>
> *To:* **cnc-list@cnc-list.com**
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Backstay tension
> 
>
>  ** **
>
> I have the same original unit as Jake.  The fluid apparently had never
> been changed.  It was like molasses instead of looking like vegetable oil.
>  It would have been cheaper to replace it, but I didn't know that going in,
> so I had it all flushed and rebuilt.
>
> ** **
>
> If your hydraulic backstay has never been serviced, it may need attention.
>
> Joel
>
> 35/3
>
> Annapolis
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:46 PM, dwight veinot 
> wrote:
>
>  Jake 
>
>  
>
> My Navtec adjuster is probably an older unit than what you have.  It came
> to me with the boat so I am guessing it is probably around 15 or more years
> old.  It is an integral unit and the gage and knob for the relief valve are
> attached on opposite sides near the base of the square looking cylinder.  I
> think it reads in psi and its readings correlate quite well at around
> 800-1200 psi when I check backstay tension with my Loos gage but my
> inexpensive Loos gage max’s out at around 1200 on 9/32 wire so it is not
> useful for tension comparisons above that. I have tensioned the backstay
> incrementally to 3000 lbs according to its gage but as I said earlier
> tensions above 1200 psi has no noticeable effect on pointing ability or
> boat speed but a slight effect on weather helm and head stay sag.  I spend
> my cruising time fiddling around with a lot of adjustments and measurements
> but I am happy to admit that I am still learning and very interested in
> what others have to contribute. 
>
>  
>
> I guess I have been lucky that the hydraulic seals have lasted as long as
> they have without problems.
>
>  
>
> Dwight Veinot
>
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
>
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
>   --
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Jake Brodersen
> *Sent:* November 26, 2012 7:55 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Backstay tension
>
>  
>
> Dwight,
>
>  
>
> If you Navtec gauge is like mine (in a panel), it probably reads direct
> pressure, not the pressure exerted on the backstay.  They would be the same
> if the piston area was 1 sq. inch, but otherwise the pressure times the
> piston area will give you the tension on the backstay.
>
>  
>
> Jake
>
>  
>
> *Jake Brodersen*
>
> *C&C 35 Mk-III*
>
> *"Midnight Mistress*
>
> *Hampton VA***
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
>
>
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Re: Stus-List Backstay tension

[Edd Schillay]

Dwight,

I've replaced the fluid in my system and it was a pretty easy job to 
pump out the old fluid and replace it. 

Navtec does sell fluid, but you'd be better off dollar-wise getting 
standard hydraulic fluid at most larger auto supply stores. Autozone sells 
64-oz bottles at $20. It's the same stuff. 

All the best,

Edd


Edd M. Schillay
Starship Enterprise
C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website



On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Joel Aronson  wrote:

Dwight,

Navtec sells a fluid in about a 32 ounce bottle.  I only found one rigger in 
Annapolis who carried it.  Becasue my whole system needed to be flushed and 
rebuilt I did not tackle it, but it seems like you should be able to DIY.  On 
the system that I have there is a reservoir, pump and piston.  The fluid was 
sticking to the inside of the reservoir, so that had to be replaced too.
I don't know if there is a recommended service interval, but if the fluid is 
cloudy I would seriously consider changing it.  If you have a newer system that 
is all one unit it should be much easier.
Joel
35/3
Annapolis


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:47 AM, dwight veinot  
wrote:
Is it recommended to periodically replace the hydraulic fluid in the Navtec 
backstay adjusters? 

 

If so is it a DIY project and what is the recommended replacement fluid?

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson
Sent: November 26, 2012 11:03 PM


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay tension

 

I have the same original unit as Jake.  The fluid apparently had never been 
changed.  It was like molasses instead of looking like vegetable oil.  It would 
have been cheaper to replace it, but I didn't know that going in, so I had it 
all flushed and rebuilt.

 

If your hydraulic backstay has never been serviced, it may need attention.

Joel

35/3

Annapolis

Sent from my iPad


On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:46 PM, dwight veinot  wrote:

> Jake
> 
>  
> 
> My Navtec adjuster is probably an older unit than what you have.  It came to 
> me with the boat so I am guessing it is probably around 15 or more years old. 
>  It is an integral unit and the gage and knob for the relief valve are 
> attached on opposite sides near the base of the square looking cylinder.  I 
> think it reads in psi and its readings correlate quite well at around 
> 800-1200 psi when I check backstay tension with my Loos gage but my 
> inexpensive Loos gage max’s out at around 1200 on 9/32 wire so it is not 
> useful for tension comparisons above that. I have tensioned the backstay 
> incrementally to 3000 lbs according to its gage but as I said earlier 
> tensions above 1200 psi has no noticeable effect on pointing ability or boat 
> speed but a slight effect on weather helm and head stay sag.  I spend my 
> cruising time fiddling around with a lot of adjustments and measurements but 
> I am happy to admit that I am still learning and very interested in what 
> others have to contribute.
> 
>  
> 
> I guess I have been lucky that the hydraulic seals have lasted as long as 
> they have without problems.
> 
>  
> 
> Dwight Veinot
> 
> C&C 35 MKII, Alianna
> 
> Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS
> 
> From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jake 
> Brodersen
> Sent: November 26, 2012 7:55 PM
> To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay tension
> 
>  
> 
> Dwight,
> 
>  
> 
> If you Navtec gauge is like mine (in a panel), it probably reads direct 
> pressure, not the pressure exerted on the backstay.  They would be the same 
> if the piston area was 1 sq. inch, but otherwise the pressure times the 
> piston area will give you the tension on the backstay.
> 
>  
> 
> Jake
> 
>  
> 
> Jake Brodersen
> 
> C&C 35 Mk-III
> 
> "Midnight Mistress
> 
> Hampton VA
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 

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Re: Stus-List Backstay tension

[dwight veinot]

Thanks Joel

 

Mine is an older unit, a think maybe about 10-15 years old.  It has been
working fine and I don't really want to open it, which I will have to do to
see the fluid.  

 

For others on the list who have one installed: is periodic inspection and/or
replacement of the fluid usual practice?

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

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Aronson
Sent: November 27, 2012 10:06 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay tension

 

Dwight,

 

Navtec sells a fluid in about a 32 ounce bottle.  I only found one rigger in
Annapolis who carried it.  Becasue my whole system needed to be flushed and
rebuilt I did not tackle it, but it seems like you should be able to DIY.
On the system that I have there is a reservoir, pump and piston.  The fluid
was sticking to the inside of the reservoir, so that had to be replaced too.

I don't know if there is a recommended service interval, but if the fluid is
cloudy I would seriously consider changing it.  If you have a newer system
that is all one unit it should be much easier.

Joel

35/3

Annapolis

 

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:47 AM, dwight veinot
 wrote:

Is it recommended to periodically replace the hydraulic fluid in the Navtec
backstay adjusters?  

 

If so is it a DIY project and what is the recommended replacement fluid? 

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

  _  

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel
Aronson
Sent: November 26, 2012 11:03 PM


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay tension

 

I have the same original unit as Jake.  The fluid apparently had never been
changed.  It was like molasses instead of looking like vegetable oil.  It
would have been cheaper to replace it, but I didn't know that going in, so I
had it all flushed and rebuilt.

 

If your hydraulic backstay has never been serviced, it may need attention.

Joel

35/3

Annapolis

Sent from my iPad


On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:46 PM, dwight veinot 
wrote:

Jake 

 

My Navtec adjuster is probably an older unit than what you have.  It came to
me with the boat so I am guessing it is probably around 15 or more years
old.  It is an integral unit and the gage and knob for the relief valve are
attached on opposite sides near the base of the square looking cylinder.  I
think it reads in psi and its readings correlate quite well at around
800-1200 psi when I check backstay tension with my Loos gage but my
inexpensive Loos gage max's out at around 1200 on 9/32 wire so it is not
useful for tension comparisons above that. I have tensioned the backstay
incrementally to 3000 lbs according to its gage but as I said earlier
tensions above 1200 psi has no noticeable effect on pointing ability or boat
speed but a slight effect on weather helm and head stay sag.  I spend my
cruising time fiddling around with a lot of adjustments and measurements but
I am happy to admit that I am still learning and very interested in what
others have to contribute. 

 

I guess I have been lucky that the hydraulic seals have lasted as long as
they have without problems.

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS


  _  


From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Jake
Brodersen
Sent: November 26, 2012 7:55 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay tension

 

Dwight,

 

If you Navtec gauge is like mine (in a panel), it probably reads direct
pressure, not the pressure exerted on the backstay.  They would be the same
if the piston area was 1 sq. inch, but otherwise the pressure times the
piston area will give you the tension on the backstay.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

"Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

 

 

 

 


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Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera

[Della Barba, Joe]

You could set up a PC with cameras and any other kind of sensor and use 
PC-Anywhere to log into it.

Joe Della Barba

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joe Della 
Barba
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:01 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera

I have one of these:
https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=155&osCsid=g3bfk35sja8qgvckk9c6svjk90

This would also work:
http://www.byonics.com/tinytrak4/



Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera
Joe,

What system do you use?  I remember you setting it up.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Della Barba, Joe 
mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>> wrote:
I monitor my cabin temp and battery voltage.
See http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/findcoquina1.html
Sooner or later I will add a bilge alarm to this setup and maybe shorepower 
voltage.
I have a couple of these cameras at home as so far it is a major PITA trying to 
get them through the local ISP so I can see them from outside my home LAN. You 
would need to arrange port forwarding with the marina more than likely. What I 
do now is FTP every 5 minutes or so.
http://www.amazon.com/Wansview-Outdoor-Waterproof-Wireless-Detection/dp/B0047CKAN4/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&qid=1353956311&sr=8-33&keywords=wifi+camera



Joe Della Barba
Coquina C&C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera

Joel,

Unless you're watching, it won't help.  There are wireless bilge and boat 
systems monitors available.  They will alert you when a problem is observed.  
Do some research to see if one satisfies your needs.

Dennis


From: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:19 AM
Subject: Stus-List Surveillance camera

Because I'm leaving my boat in the water this winter I'm thinking of adding one 
of these:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=841297&is=REG&A=details&Q=

I have internet access from the marina.  I could leave the bilge open and check 
on the boat remotely.
Has anyone done anything similar?

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Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera

[Joel Aronson]

I might try that first.  I have an old laptop with a camera.  Aim it into
the bilge with a ruler in the bilge so I can see if the pump is working.
 Its not as good as an alarm, but its better than not having anything.


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Della Barba, Joe
wrote:

> You could set up a PC with cameras and any other kind of sensor and use
> PC-Anywhere to log into it.
>
> ** **
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe
> Della Barba
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 7:01 PM
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera
>
> ** **
>
> I have one of these:
>
>
> https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=155&osCsid=g3bfk35sja8qgvckk9c6svjk90
> 
>
>  
>
> This would also work:
>
> http://www.byonics.com/tinytrak4/
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
>  
>
> ** **
> --
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 2:14 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera
>
> Joe, 
>
> ** **
>
> What system do you use?  I remember you setting it up.  
>
> ** **
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Della Barba, Joe 
> wrote:
>
> I monitor my cabin temp and battery voltage.
>
> See http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/findcoquina1.html
>
> Sooner or later I will add a bilge alarm to this setup and maybe
> shorepower voltage.
>
> I have a couple of these cameras at home as so far it is a major PITA
> trying to get them through the local ISP so I can see them from outside my
> home LAN. You would need to arrange port forwarding with the marina more
> than likely. What I do now is FTP every 5 minutes or so.
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Wansview-Outdoor-Waterproof-Wireless-Detection/dp/B0047CKAN4/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&qid=1353956311&sr=8-33&keywords=wifi+camera
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina C&C 35 MK I*
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C.
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 1:47 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera
>
>  
>
> Joel,
>
>  
>
> Unless you're watching, it won't help.  There are wireless bilge and boat
> systems monitors available.  They will alert you when a problem is
> observed.  Do some research to see if one satisfies your needs.
>
>  
>
> Dennis
>
>  
> --
>
> *From:* Joel Aronson 
> *To:* "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 11:19 AM
> *Subject:* Stus-List Surveillance camera
>
>  
>
> Because I'm leaving my boat in the water this winter I'm thinking of
> adding one of these:
>
>  
>
>
> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=841297&is=REG&A=details&Q
> =
>
>  
>
> I have internet access from the marina.  I could leave the bilge open and
> check on the boat remotely.
>
> Has anyone done anything similar?
> 
>
>  
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
>
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Re: Stus-List 35 MK I water tank and pump + filters

[Lee Youngblood]

That was a good one Joe - at least you weren't offshore when you 
found the water in the boat.  I did a winter delivery once, woke up 
and the boat felt sluggish.  When I stepped into the water and turned 
on my headlight, the floorboards were floating almost up to the 
settee cushions.  Could be worse. . .


We use a household water filter from Home Depot on the fill, before 
the water goes into the tank.  The tanks have been cleaned, once, and 
because we live aboard, we run more water through the system in a 
month than most summer sailors do in a year.  Works for us.


Lee & Kathleen
sv Simplicity
C&C35-II
Seattle


I was filling my bow water tank the other day and was thinking it 
was taking a long time.  Hmmm? No water coming out the vent. I 
decided to go below and take a look and the cabin was ankle deep!
After pumping the bilge, I could find nothing wrong and the tank was 
full to the brim. WTF? Where was it leaking? I put the hose in again 
and discovered the FILL HOSE was coming apart under pressure and 
dumping all the water in the bilge and then coming back together 
afterwards. Got that all straight and then the pump died :(


Now I have a new pump I am getting inspired to move it someplace 
forward. Right now it is under the starboard cockpit locker which 
routes the water hoses part the engine. This water gets quite hit 
from being near the engine and I wonder if it contributes to bad 
taste to be heated like that. I was thinking of moving the pump 
someplace forward.


Question: Is anyone running filters? I have a carbon filter in the 
line to the head sink and it seems to work well for a couple months 
and then start making the water worse instead of better. Is there a 
better way to do this?


Joe Della Barba
Coquina
C&C 35 MK I
www.dellabarba.com


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Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera

[Della Barba, Joe]

Where is your boat?

Joe Della Barba

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:09 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera

I might try that first.  I have an old laptop with a camera.  Aim it into the 
bilge with a ruler in the bilge so I can see if the pump is working.  Its not 
as good as an alarm, but its better than not having anything.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Della Barba, Joe 
mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>> wrote:
You could set up a PC with cameras and any other kind of sensor and use 
PC-Anywhere to log into it.

Joe Della Barba

From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Joe Della Barba
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:01 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera

I have one of these:
https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=155&osCsid=g3bfk35sja8qgvckk9c6svjk90

This would also work:
http://www.byonics.com/tinytrak4/



Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera
Joe,

What system do you use?  I remember you setting it up.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Della Barba, Joe 
mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>> wrote:
I monitor my cabin temp and battery voltage.
See http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/findcoquina1.html
Sooner or later I will add a bilge alarm to this setup and maybe shorepower 
voltage.
I have a couple of these cameras at home as so far it is a major PITA trying to 
get them through the local ISP so I can see them from outside my home LAN. You 
would need to arrange port forwarding with the marina more than likely. What I 
do now is FTP every 5 minutes or so.
http://www.amazon.com/Wansview-Outdoor-Waterproof-Wireless-Detection/dp/B0047CKAN4/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&qid=1353956311&sr=8-33&keywords=wifi+camera



Joe Della Barba
Coquina C&C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera

Joel,

Unless you're watching, it won't help.  There are wireless bilge and boat 
systems monitors available.  They will alert you when a problem is observed.  
Do some research to see if one satisfies your needs.

Dennis


From: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:19 AM
Subject: Stus-List Surveillance camera

Because I'm leaving my boat in the water this winter I'm thinking of adding one 
of these:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=841297&is=REG&A=details&Q=

I have internet access from the marina.  I could leave the bilge open and check 
on the boat remotely.
Has anyone done anything similar?

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Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera

[Joel Aronson]

Joe,

I just moved her to Chesapeake Harbour.  She'll be there until a slip opens
up at Orchard Beach Marina on Mill Creek.  At least I'm near Fawcetts and
West if I need something.

Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Della Barba, Joe
wrote:

> Where is your boat?
>
> ** **
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Aronson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:09 AM
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera
>
> ** **
>
> I might try that first.  I have an old laptop with a camera.  Aim it into
> the bilge with a ruler in the bilge so I can see if the pump is working.
>  Its not as good as an alarm, but its better than not having anything.  **
> **
>
> ** **
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Della Barba, Joe 
> wrote:
>
> You could set up a PC with cameras and any other kind of sensor and use
> PC-Anywhere to log into it.
>
>  
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
>  
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe
> Della Barba
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 7:01 PM
>
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera
>
>  
>
> I have one of these:
>
>
> https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=155&osCsid=g3bfk35sja8qgvckk9c6svjk90
> 
>
>  
>
> This would also work:
>
> http://www.byonics.com/tinytrak4/
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
>  
>
>  
> --
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 2:14 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera
>
> Joe, 
>
>  
>
> What system do you use?  I remember you setting it up.  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Della Barba, Joe 
> wrote:
>
> I monitor my cabin temp and battery voltage.
>
> See http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/findcoquina1.html
>
> Sooner or later I will add a bilge alarm to this setup and maybe
> shorepower voltage.
>
> I have a couple of these cameras at home as so far it is a major PITA
> trying to get them through the local ISP so I can see them from outside my
> home LAN. You would need to arrange port forwarding with the marina more
> than likely. What I do now is FTP every 5 minutes or so.
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Wansview-Outdoor-Waterproof-Wireless-Detection/dp/B0047CKAN4/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&qid=1353956311&sr=8-33&keywords=wifi+camera
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina C&C 35 MK I*
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C.
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 1:47 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera
>
>  
>
> Joel,
>
>  
>
> Unless you're watching, it won't help.  There are wireless bilge and boat
> systems monitors available.  They will alert you when a problem is
> observed.  Do some research to see if one satisfies your needs.
>
>  
>
> Dennis
>
>  
> --
>
> *From:* Joel Aronson 
> *To:* "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 11:19 AM
> *Subject:* Stus-List Surveillance camera
>
>  
>
> Because I'm leaving my boat in the water this winter I'm thinking of
> adding one of these:
>
>  
>
>
> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=841297&is=REG&A=details&Q
> =
>
>  
>
> I have internet access from the marina.  I could leave the bilge open and
> check on the boat remotely.
>
> Has anyone done anything similar?
> 
>
>  
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
>
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>  
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Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera

[Della Barba, Joe]

I would rig a loud alarm to a float switch higher than the normal one that runs 
the pump(s). If for no other reason than to see what is annoying them, someone 
will come down and check it out.

Joe Della Barba
Coquina

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:03 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera

Joe,

I just moved her to Chesapeake Harbour.  She'll be there until a slip opens up 
at Orchard Beach Marina on Mill Creek.  At least I'm near Fawcetts and West if 
I need something.

Joel
35/3
The Office
Annapolis

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Della Barba, Joe 
mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>> wrote:
Where is your boat?

Joe Della Barba

From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Joel Aronson
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:09 AM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera

I might try that first.  I have an old laptop with a camera.  Aim it into the 
bilge with a ruler in the bilge so I can see if the pump is working.  Its not 
as good as an alarm, but its better than not having anything.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Della Barba, Joe 
mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>> wrote:
You could set up a PC with cameras and any other kind of sensor and use 
PC-Anywhere to log into it.

Joe Della Barba

From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Joe Della Barba
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 7:01 PM

To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera

I have one of these:
https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=155&osCsid=g3bfk35sja8qgvckk9c6svjk90

This would also work:
http://www.byonics.com/tinytrak4/



Joe Della Barba
j...@dellabarba.com



From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of Joel Aronson
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 2:14 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera
Joe,

What system do you use?  I remember you setting it up.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Della Barba, Joe 
mailto:joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov>> wrote:
I monitor my cabin temp and battery voltage.
See http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/findcoquina1.html
Sooner or later I will add a bilge alarm to this setup and maybe shorepower 
voltage.
I have a couple of these cameras at home as so far it is a major PITA trying to 
get them through the local ISP so I can see them from outside my home LAN. You 
would need to arrange port forwarding with the marina more than likely. What I 
do now is FTP every 5 minutes or so.
http://www.amazon.com/Wansview-Outdoor-Waterproof-Wireless-Detection/dp/B0047CKAN4/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&qid=1353956311&sr=8-33&keywords=wifi+camera



Joe Della Barba
Coquina C&C 35 MK I
From: CnC-List 
[mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On 
Behalf Of Dennis C.
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 1:47 PM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera

Joel,

Unless you're watching, it won't help.  There are wireless bilge and boat 
systems monitors available.  They will alert you when a problem is observed.  
Do some research to see if one satisfies your needs.

Dennis


From: Joel Aronson mailto:joel.aron...@gmail.com>>
To: "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
mailto:cnc-list@cnc-list.com>>
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 11:19 AM
Subject: Stus-List Surveillance camera

Because I'm leaving my boat in the water this winter I'm thinking of adding one 
of these:

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=841297&is=REG&A=details&Q=

I have internet access from the marina.  I could leave the bilge open and check 
on the boat remotely.
Has anyone done anything similar?

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Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera

[Joel Aronson]

A car alarm on the float switch would work.  On the other hand, the alarm
might annoy someone to the point where they make sure the boats sinks!


On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Della Barba, Joe
wrote:

> I would rig a loud alarm to a float switch higher than the normal one that
> runs the pump(s). If for no other reason than to see what is annoying them,
> someone will come down and check it out.
>
> ** **
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> Coquina
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Aronson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:03 PM
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera
>
> ** **
>
> Joe,
>
> ** **
>
> I just moved her to Chesapeake Harbour.  She'll be there until a slip
> opens up at Orchard Beach Marina on Mill Creek.  At least I'm near Fawcetts
> and West if I need something.
>
> ** **
>
> Joel
>
> 35/3
>
> The Office
>
> Annapolis
>
> ** **
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 11:48 AM, Della Barba, Joe <
> joe.della.ba...@ssa.gov> wrote:
>
> Where is your boat?
>
>  
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
>  
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joel
> Aronson
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:09 AM
>
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera
>
>  
>
> I might try that first.  I have an old laptop with a camera.  Aim it into
> the bilge with a ruler in the bilge so I can see if the pump is working.
>  Its not as good as an alarm, but its better than not having anything.  **
> **
>
>  
>
> On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:54 AM, Della Barba, Joe 
> wrote:
>
> You could set up a PC with cameras and any other kind of sensor and use
> PC-Anywhere to log into it.
>
>  
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
>  
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Joe
> Della Barba
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 7:01 PM
>
>
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera
>
>  
>
> I have one of these:
>
>
> https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=155&osCsid=g3bfk35sja8qgvckk9c6svjk90
> 
>
>  
>
> This would also work:
>
> http://www.byonics.com/tinytrak4/
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Joe Della Barba
>
> j...@dellabarba.com
>
>  
>
>  
> --
>
> *From:* CnC-List 
> [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com]
> *On Behalf Of *Joel Aronson
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 2:14 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera
>
> Joe, 
>
>  
>
> What system do you use?  I remember you setting it up.  
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Della Barba, Joe 
> wrote:
>
> I monitor my cabin temp and battery voltage.
>
> See http://www.dellabarba.com/sailing/findcoquina1.html
>
> Sooner or later I will add a bilge alarm to this setup and maybe
> shorepower voltage.
>
> I have a couple of these cameras at home as so far it is a major PITA
> trying to get them through the local ISP so I can see them from outside my
> home LAN. You would need to arrange port forwarding with the marina more
> than likely. What I do now is FTP every 5 minutes or so.
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/Wansview-Outdoor-Waterproof-Wireless-Detection/dp/B0047CKAN4/ref=sr_1_33?ie=UTF8&qid=1353956311&sr=8-33&keywords=wifi+camera
> 
>
>  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Joe Della Barba*
>
> *Coquina C&C 35 MK I*
>
> *From:* CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] *On Behalf Of *Dennis
> C.
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 1:47 PM
> *To:* cnc-list@cnc-list.com
> *Subject:* Re: Stus-List Surveillance camera
>
>  
>
> Joel,
>
>  
>
> Unless you're watching, it won't help.  There are wireless bilge and boat
> systems monitors available.  They will alert you when a problem is
> observed.  Do some research to see if one satisfies your needs.
>
>  
>
> Dennis
>
>  
> --
>
> *From:* Joel Aronson 
> *To:* "cnc-list@cnc-list.com" 
> *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 11:19 AM
> *Subject:* Stus-List Surveillance camera
>
>  
>
> Because I'm leaving my boat in the water this winter I'm thinking of
> adding one of these:
>
>  
>
>
> http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=841297&is=REG&A=details&Q
> =
>
>  
>
> I have internet access from the marina.  I could leave the bilge open and
> check on the boat remotely.
>
> Has anyone done anything similar?
> 
>
>  
>
> --
> Joel
> 301 541 8551
>
>
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Stus-List Backstay ram rebuild & fluid

[Chuck S]

Navtec Backstay Ram 
Years ago the seal started leaking on the backstay ram. Chesapeake Rigging 
wanted $795 to inspect and rebuild it, and the work may reveal more expensive 
parts will be needed. (A new ram would cost a little over a grand.) Instead, I 
took the unit to a local hydraulic repair shop. They said the O-ring hailed 
because the sun's UV. They replaced all of the O-rings and bench tested the 
unit to 2x max pressure in front of me. The technicain said the O-rings cost 
him about 50 cents total and $5.00 would cover the work. I gave him the $5 and 
a $20 for beer. 

He told me to drain the red auto transmission fluid from the system and replace 
with 10 weight non-detergent oil from NAPA, which I did. 


Chuck 
Resolute 
1990 C&C 34R 
Atlantic City, NJ 
- Original Message -
From: "Edd Schillay"  
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 9:18:00 AM 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay tension 

Dwight, 


I've replaced the fluid in my system and it was a pretty easy job to pump out 
the old fluid and replace it. 


Navtec does sell fluid, but you'd be better off dollar-wise getting standard 
hydraulic fluid at most larger auto supply stores. Autozone sells 64-oz bottles 
at $20. It's the same stuff. 




All the best, 


Edd 




Edd M. Schillay 
Starship Enterprise 
C&C 37/40+ | Sail No: NCC-1701-B 
City Island, NY 
Starship Enterprise's Captain's Log Website 






On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Joel Aronson < joel.aron...@gmail.com > wrote: 
Dwight, 


Navtec sells a fluid in about a 32 ounce bottle. I only found one rigger in 
Annapolis who carried it. Becasue my whole system needed to be flushed and 
rebuilt I did not tackle it, but it seems like you should be able to DIY. On 
the system that I have there is a reservoir, pump and piston. The fluid was 
sticking to the inside of the reservoir, so that had to be replaced too. 
I don't know if there is a recommended service interval, but if the fluid is 
cloudy I would seriously consider changing it. If you have a newer system that 
is all one unit it should be much easier. 
Joel 
35/3 
Annapolis 



On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:47 AM, dwight veinot < dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca > 
wrote: 






Is it recommended to periodically replace the hydraulic fluid in the Navtec 
backstay adjusters? 



If so is it a DIY project and what is the recommended replacement fluid? 





Dwight Veinot 

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna 

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS 




From: CnC-List [mailto: cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Joel 
Aronson 
Sent: November 26, 2012 11:03 PM 


To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay tension 








I have the same original unit as Jake. The fluid apparently had never been 
changed. It was like molasses instead of looking like vegetable oil. It would 
have been cheaper to replace it, but I didn't know that going in, so I had it 
all flushed and rebuilt. 





If your hydraulic backstay has never been serviced, it may need attention. 

Joel 


35/3 


Annapolis 


Sent from my iPad 



On Nov 26, 2012, at 7:46 PM, dwight veinot < dwightvei...@hfx.eastlink.ca > 
wrote: 




Jake 



My Navtec adjuster is probably an older unit than what you have. It came to me 
with the boat so I am guessing it is probably around 15 or more years old. It 
is an integral unit and the gage and knob for the relief valve are attached on 
opposite sides near the base of the square looking cylinder. I think it reads 
in psi and its readings correlate quite well at around 800-1200 psi when I 
check backstay tension with my Loos gage but my inexpensive Loos gage max’s out 
at around 1200 on 9/32 wire so it is not useful for tension comparisons above 
that. I have tensioned the backstay incrementally to 3000 lbs according to its 
gage but as I said earlier tensions above 1200 psi has no noticeable effect on 
pointing ability or boat speed but a slight effect on weather helm and head 
stay sag. I spend my cruising time fiddling around with a lot of adjustments 
and measurements but I am happy to admit that I am still learning and very 
interested in what others have to contribute. 



I guess I have been lucky that the hydraulic seals have lasted as long as they 
have without problems. 




Dwight Veinot 

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna 

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS 




From: CnC-List [ mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com ] On Behalf Of Jake 
Brodersen 
Sent: November 26, 2012 7:55 PM 
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com 
Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay tension 



Dwight, 



If you Navtec gauge is like mine (in a panel), it probably reads direct 
pressure, not the pressure exerted on the backstay. They would be the same if 
the piston area was 1 sq. inch, but otherwise the pressure times the piston 
area will give you the tension on the backstay. 



Jake 



Jake Brodersen 

C&C 35 Mk-III 

"Midnight Mistress 

Hampton VA 














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Re: Stus-List Backstay tension

[Jake Brodersen]

Dwight,

 

I replaced mine several years ago.  I had the backstay cylinder off the boat
for repair.  I needed a new O ring or two.  The North loft did the repairs.
It wasn't too terrible on price, but I can't recall what it was.  No leaks
since.

 

I don't think the replacement interval is very frequent, unless the fluid
gets contaminated.  Mine was black, milky, and just bad looking.  I opened
the ports on the backstay and vang (alternately) and pushed new fluid
through the system.  It was very easy.  The only hard part is filling the
fluid tank.  Mine is tucked up on a shelf in the port cockpit locker with
only a few inches above it to access the fill port.

 

Jake

 

Jake Brodersen

C&C 35 Mk-III

"Midnight Mistress

Hampton VA

 

 

 

From: CnC-List [mailto:cnc-list-boun...@cnc-list.com] On Behalf Of dwight
veinot
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 8:48 AM
To: cnc-list@cnc-list.com
Subject: Re: Stus-List Backstay tension

 

Is it recommended to periodically replace the hydraulic fluid in the Navtec
backstay adjusters?  

 

If so is it a DIY project and what is the recommended replacement fluid? 

 

Dwight Veinot

C&C 35 MKII, Alianna

Head of St. Margaret's Bay, NS

 

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Re: Stus-List Backstay ram rebuild & fluid

[Alan Bergen]

I have a hydraulic backstay and vang, with a unit (I don't know what it's 
called) in the cockpit that switches between the two. A year-and-a-half ago, 
the unit failed, and I had it and the vang rebuilt by a hydraulic shop 
(recommended by Navtec) in Seattle. Lew Townsend did a thorough job, and even 
made a new hydraulic line (he noticed it going bad from the picture I sent) 
while I waited. I asked him about the hydraulic fluid I was using, and he 
recommended I use a different kind. Then he dumped what I had, and gave me 
enough to fill the reservoir in my boat. If anyone needs hydraulic work done, I 
highly recommend him. (contact info below) 


Alan Bergen 
C&C 35 Mk III Thirsty 
Rose City YC 
Portland, OR 

Lew Townsend 
3426 63rd Avenue 
Seattle, WA 98116 
(h) (206) 935-4678 
(c) (206) 498-7282 
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