Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

[Sean M. Pappalardo]

On 11/3/2012 9:24 PM, Nicola Ferralis wrote:

https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa

I created the cinelerra-cv  PPA repository for cases where multiple
version of cinelerra repositories were to be installed. However, that
created much trouble and the cinelerra-cv is now deprecated, and out of
date.


Does this apply to everyone? Like is the CV version itself no longer 
maintained and we should all use Heroine's version 4.x? If that's not 
the case, for those of us running straight Debian, is deb-multimedia 
still the recommended place to get the packages?


Thanks for the clarification.

Sincerely,
Sean M. Pappalardo


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Re: [CinCV] Color handling

[Herman Robak]

På Mon, 05 Nov 2012 05:43:49 +0100, skrev Monty Montgomery  
:



The real rub in all of this, and the impetus for getting me thinking
to start with, is filter operations using colorspaces with
singularities at black (like HSV).  When you don't know where black
is, any HSV operations are wrong at best and useless at worst.  Gamma
manipulation is also completely wrong when you don't know your black
and white points.


... and presenting 0.0 as black and 1.0 as white internally is
totally out of the question?  With your proposed studio swing
mapping most compositing and filtering operations have to scale
and bias to work right.  E.g. black + black + black will be a
shade of gray, unless a bias is subtracted.



I don't do any film at all, so that's part of why I was asking :-)
Given that it sounds like digital cinema has all gone to log curves,
if I'm going to use an assumed pipeline space, it sounds like it has
to be linear light :-(  ...how do log colorspaces handle color mixing?


I suppose it is always converted to 16 bit linear,
or linear float first.



2) Also making the pipeline a single assumed internal colorspace.  It
could be linear, log, gamma, whatever; we're in float, they're all
equivalent.  The rub here would be conversions; in some ways choosing
linear is the most extreme choice because it means lots of
reconversion (lossless reconversion, but burned CPU nonetheless).


How much is a lot?  One conversion entering the pipeline, and another
exiting the pipeline?



Perhaps the better idea is to be able to choose the pipeline working
colorspace, the way we currently choose the pipeline  pixelformat.


The dilemmas just won't end, will they? :-/

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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

[Basil Chupin]

On 05/11/12 20:26, Sean M. Pappalardo wrote:

On 11/3/2012 9:24 PM, Nicola Ferralis wrote:

https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa

I created the cinelerra-cv  PPA repository for cases where multiple
version of cinelerra repositories were to be installed. However, that
created much trouble and the cinelerra-cv is now deprecated, and out of
date.


Does this apply to everyone? Like is the CV version itself no longer 
maintained and we should all use Heroine's version 4.x? If that's not 
the case, for those of us running straight Debian, is deb-multimedia 
still the recommended place to get the packages?


Thanks for the clarification.


The CV is being developed day-by-day and is always ahead, in one way, of 
the heroinewarrier (v4.4) because hw only takes from CV what it 
considers to be relevant to it aims.


What your problem is is that the CV is not being compiled from source 
file for Ubuntu. On the other hand, I am using openSUSE and I have the 
very latest Cinelerra CV - released only a day or so ago - readily 
available (and installed).


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Re: [CinCV] Color handling

[Monty Montgomery]

> ... and presenting 0.0 as black and 1.0 as white internally is
> totally out of the question?

No. :-)

>  With your proposed studio swing
> mapping most compositing and filtering operations have to scale
> and bias to work right.  E.g. black + black + black will be a
> shade of gray, unless a bias is subtracted.

Yup.  I was suggesting it as something of a path of least resistance.
For the record, we already have this problem with studio swing.

> How much is a lot?  One conversion entering the pipeline, and another
> exiting the pipeline?

Any color filters that expect to operate on R'G'B' rather than RGB.  I
think in most cases, these operations only work on R'G'B' to avoid the
additional conversion, but there are probably at least a few that
really do want the gamma space.  They'd have to convert.

> The dilemmas just won't end, will they? :-/

If it was easy, it would be done already :-)

Monty

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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

[Raffaella Traniello]

Ciao!


On 11/3/2012 9:24 PM, Nicola Ferralis wrote:

https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa
I created the cinelerra-cv  PPA repository for cases where multiple
version of cinelerra repositories were to be installed. However, that
created much trouble and the cinelerra-cv is now deprecated, and out of
date.


I remember the discussion of a few year ago about the confusion between 
Cinelerra HV and Cinelerra CV, especially for packaging. At the time 
both packages were available for Ubuntu.

Then we decided to call the community version
cinelerra-cv
and the original upstream
cinelerra

The website title was renamed accordingly
http://cinelerra.org/

and so the git repo
http://git.cinelerra.org/gitweb?p=CinelerraCV.git;a=summary

That cleared the confusion.

I'm in favour of maintaining this tradition and naming all packages of 
the community version cinelerra-cv.
I'd prefer the PPA containing the community version to be called 
cinelerra-cv

A PPA called cinelerra should contain the HV version.

Ciao!
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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

[Murray Strome]

 From: Basil Chupin 
To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no 
Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 5:02:17 AM
Subject: Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV
 

On 05/11/12 20:26, Sean M. Pappalardo wrote:

On 11/3/2012 9:24 PM, Nicola Ferralis wrote: 
>
>https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa 
>>
>>I created the cinelerra-cv  PPA repository for cases where
multiple 
>>version of cinelerra repositories were to be installed. However,
that 
>>created much trouble and the cinelerra-cv is now deprecated, and
out of 
>>date. 
>>
>Does this apply to everyone? Like is the CV version itself no
  longer maintained and we should all use Heroine's version 4.x? If
  that's not the case, for those of us running straight Debian, is
  deb-multimedia still the recommended place to get the packages? 
>
>Thanks for the clarification. 
>
The CV is being developed day-by-day and is always ahead, in one
way, of the heroinewarrier (v4.4) because hw only takes from CV what
it considers to be relevant to it aims.

What your problem is is that the CV is not being compiled from
source file for Ubuntu. On the other hand, I am using openSUSE and I
have the very latest Cinelerra CV - released only a day or so ago -
readily available (and installed).

BC

I am using Ubuntu 12.10 and would not want to change distributions simply to be 
able to use Cinelerra-CV. I am getting the impression that the CV version is 
not being kept up to date for Ubuntu, and perhaps not for many other 
distributions such as Debian.  Is that correct? If so, I guess I will have to 
stick with the HW Version.
Murray

Re: [CinCV] Color handling

[Keith Gudger]

I hope this isn't off topic, but for those of us still using SD formats, 
we need YUV and not RGB.  I tried RGBA for a while, but I always got 
artifacts, so I went back to YUV.  No artifacts.


Keith

On 11/05/2012 05:27 AM, Monty Montgomery wrote:

... and presenting 0.0 as black and 1.0 as white internally is
totally out of the question?

No. :-)


  With your proposed studio swing
mapping most compositing and filtering operations have to scale
and bias to work right.  E.g. black + black + black will be a
shade of gray, unless a bias is subtracted.

Yup.  I was suggesting it as something of a path of least resistance.
For the record, we already have this problem with studio swing.


How much is a lot?  One conversion entering the pipeline, and another
exiting the pipeline?

Any color filters that expect to operate on R'G'B' rather than RGB.  I
think in most cases, these operations only work on R'G'B' to avoid the
additional conversion, but there are probably at least a few that
really do want the gamma space.  They'd have to convert.


The dilemmas just won't end, will they? :-/

If it was easy, it would be done already :-)

Monty

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Re: [CinCV] Color handling

[Herman Robak]

På Mon, 05 Nov 2012 16:54:15 +0100, skrev Keith Gudger :

I hope this isn't off topic, but for those of us still using SD formats,  
we need YUV and not RGB.  I tried RGBA for a while, but I always got  
artifacts, so I went back to YUV.  No artifacts.


RGB8, I presume?  The artifacts may be due to lossy and buggy conversion
between YUV8 and RGB8 in Cinelerra.  RGB FLOAT will not suffer from that.

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RE: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

[Nicola Ferralis]

BC

Once again, the current cinelerra PPA is compiled from source (CV) for Ubuntu, 
in fact it is for pretty much every recent release. The current binaries are 
based on the codebase 2.2 with the recent patches. I am not sure why you keep 
saying that CV is not compiled from source for CV.

I have no interest nor motivation to make another ppa for the HW, maybe someone 
else can take that task. When time will allow me, I will try to modify the 
package names to reflect that what is in the PPA really is cinelerra-cv.

NF

 

From: wmstr...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV
To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 07:21:42 -0800



From: Basil Chupin 
 To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no 
 Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 5:02:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV
   

  

  
  
On 05/11/12 20:26, Sean M. Pappalardo
  wrote:


On
  11/3/2012 9:24 PM, Nicola Ferralis wrote:
  

  https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa




I created the cinelerra-cv  PPA repository for cases where
multiple


version of cinelerra repositories were to be installed. However,
that


created much trouble and the cinelerra-cv is now deprecated, and
out of


date.


  
  

  Does this apply to everyone? Like is the CV version itself no
  longer maintained and we should all use Heroine's version 4.x? If
  that's not the case, for those of us running straight Debian, is
  deb-multimedia still the recommended place to get the packages?
  

  

  Thanks for the clarification.
  




The CV is being developed day-by-day and is always ahead, in one
way, of the heroinewarrier (v4.4) because hw only takes from CV what
it considers to be relevant to it aims.



What your problem is is that the CV is not being compiled from
source file for Ubuntu. On the other hand, I am using openSUSE and I
have the very latest Cinelerra CV - released only a day or so ago -
readily available (and installed).



BC

I am using Ubuntu 12.10 and would not want to change distributions simply to be 
able to use Cinelerra-CV. I am getting the impression that the CV version is 
not being kept up to date for Ubuntu, and perhaps not for many other 
distributions such as Debian.  Is that correct? If so, I guess I will have to 
stick with the HW Version.
Murray
  

RE: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

[Nicola Ferralis]

Furthermore, as suggested, if one prefers, compiling cinelerra (either version, 
really) it's simple enough.

 

From: feran...@hotmail.com
To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
Subject: RE: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:03:13 -0800




BC

Once again, the current cinelerra PPA is compiled from source (CV) for Ubuntu, 
in fact it is for pretty much every recent release. The current binaries are 
based on the codebase 2.2 with the recent patches. I am not sure why you keep 
saying that CV is not compiled from source for CV.

I have no interest nor motivation to make another ppa for the HW, maybe someone 
else can take that task. When time will allow me, I will try to modify the 
package names to reflect that what is in the PPA really is cinelerra-cv.

NF

 


From: wmstr...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV
To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 07:21:42 -0800



From: Basil Chupin 
 To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no 
 Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 5:02:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV
   

  

  
  
On 05/11/12 20:26, Sean M. Pappalardo
  wrote:


On
  11/3/2012 9:24 PM, Nicola Ferralis wrote:
  

  https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa




I created the cinelerra-cv  PPA repository for cases where
multiple


version of cinelerra repositories were to be installed. However,
that


created much trouble and the cinelerra-cv is now deprecated, and
out of


date.


  
  

  Does this apply to everyone? Like is the CV version itself no
  longer maintained and we should all use Heroine's version 4.x? If
  that's not the case, for those of us running straight Debian, is
  deb-multimedia still the recommended place to get the packages?
  

  

  Thanks for the clarification.
  




The CV is being developed day-by-day and is always ahead, in one
way, of the heroinewarrier (v4.4) because hw only takes from CV what
it considers to be relevant to it aims.



What your problem is is that the CV is not being compiled from
source file for Ubuntu. On the other hand, I am using openSUSE and I
have the very latest Cinelerra CV - released only a day or so ago -
readily available (and installed).



BC

I am using Ubuntu 12.10 and would not want to change distributions simply to be 
able to use Cinelerra-CV. I am getting the impression that the CV version is 
not being kept up to date for Ubuntu, and perhaps not for many other 
distributions such as Debian.  Is that correct? If so, I guess I will have to 
stick with the HW Version.
Murray

  

Re: [CinCV] Color handling

[Herman Robak]

På Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:27:02 +0100, skrev Monty Montgomery  
:



How much is a lot?  One conversion entering the pipeline, and another
exiting the pipeline?


Any color filters that expect to operate on R'G'B' rather than RGB.  I
think in most cases, these operations only work on R'G'B' to avoid the
additional conversion, but there are probably at least a few that
really do want the gamma space.  They'd have to convert.


I suppose linear light is the "native" space of many (most?) common
operations.  Blurring and resampling/scaling will get funny shifts
in brightness if they operate on non-linear samples, for example.

So maybe there is a lot of conversion going on already, and using
linear light could _reduce_ that?  Or, a lot of conversion _should_
have been going on, and we see wonky and imprecise results because
they are missing?

Just speculating...

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Re: [CinCV] Color handling

[Monty Montgomery]

> I suppose linear light is the "native" space of many (most?) common
> operations.  Blurring and resampling/scaling will get funny shifts
> in brightness if they operate on non-linear samples, for example.

Yes, full agreement.  But given that many [most] tools don't operate
in linear space, users may have come to expect the odd behavior of
blending in nonlinear-space to be 'normal'.

> So maybe there is a lot of conversion going on already, and using
> linear light could _reduce_ that?  Or, a lot of conversion _should_
> have been going on, and we see wonky and imprecise results because
> they are missing?

Mostly the latter.

Linear-space float RGB with black point at 0. and white point at 1.
suits me fine, BTW.  It's conceptually the simplest/most correct
option.  I'm just worried about practicality issues I'm too dumb see
until I get there.

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RE: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

[Nicola Ferralis]

Due to the confusion over the two repositories, I am updating the cinelerra-cv 
ppa with the latest builds (currently building, available in a few hours):

A: https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/cinelerra-cv

The only difference (to the user) between these builds and those in the main PPA

B: https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa


is the different name for cinelerra (now cinelerra-cv). I would appreciate if 
anybody interested could test these new builds. A few precautions:

1. Uninstall the current cinelerra you might have from the PPA. 
2. Disable the main PPA (B, above).
3. Enable the cinelerra-ppa PPA (A, above)
4. Install cinelerra-cv. 

If no issues are found, I will port those builds to the official PPA, so that 
the only available build will be, cinelerra-cv.

Thanks,
Nicola

 

From: feran...@hotmail.com
To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
Subject: RE: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:04:36 -0800




Furthermore, as suggested, if one prefers, compiling cinelerra (either version, 
really) it's simple enough.

 


From: feran...@hotmail.com
To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
Subject: RE: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 08:03:13 -0800




BC

Once again, the current cinelerra PPA is compiled from source (CV) for Ubuntu, 
in fact it is for pretty much every recent release. The current binaries are 
based on the codebase 2.2 with the recent patches. I am not sure why you keep 
saying that CV is not compiled from source for CV.

I have no interest nor motivation to make another ppa for the HW, maybe someone 
else can take that task. When time will allow me, I will try to modify the 
package names to reflect that what is in the PPA really is cinelerra-cv.

NF

 


From: wmstr...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV
To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
Date: Mon, 5 Nov 2012 07:21:42 -0800



From: Basil Chupin 
 To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no 
 Sent: Monday, November 5, 2012 5:02:17 AM
 Subject: Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV
   

  

  
  
On 05/11/12 20:26, Sean M. Pappalardo
  wrote:


On
  11/3/2012 9:24 PM, Nicola Ferralis wrote:
  

  https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa




I created the cinelerra-cv  PPA repository for cases where
multiple


version of cinelerra repositories were to be installed. However,
that


created much trouble and the cinelerra-cv is now deprecated, and
out of


date.


  
  

  Does this apply to everyone? Like is the CV version itself no
  longer maintained and we should all use Heroine's version 4.x? If
  that's not the case, for those of us running straight Debian, is
  deb-multimedia still the recommended place to get the packages?
  

  

  Thanks for the clarification.
  




The CV is being developed day-by-day and is always ahead, in one
way, of the heroinewarrier (v4.4) because hw only takes from CV what
it considers to be relevant to it aims.



What your problem is is that the CV is not being compiled from
source file for Ubuntu. On the other hand, I am using openSUSE and I
have the very latest Cinelerra CV - released only a day or so ago -
readily available (and installed).



BC

I am using Ubuntu 12.10 and would not want to change distributions simply to be 
able to use Cinelerra-CV. I am getting the impression that the CV version is 
not being kept up to date for Ubuntu, and perhaps not for many other 
distributions such as Debian.  Is that correct? If so, I guess I will have to 
stick with the HW Version.
Murray

  

Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

[Sean M. Pappalardo]

On 11/05/2012 02:02 PM, Basil Chupin wrote:

The CV is being developed day-by-day and is always ahead, in one way, of
the heroinewarrier (v4.4) because hw only takes from CV what it
considers to be relevant to it aims.


Okay, so we needn't worry about the different version numbers then? So 
Cin-CV built on 7 Aug 2012, though version 2.2 still has many/most 
features as Cin-HV 4.4 built on 12 Sept 2012? (The cinelerra.org home 
page doesn't have any posts since 2011.)


Sincerely,
Sean M. Pappalardo



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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

[Herman Robak]

På Mon, 05 Nov 2012 14:02:17 +0100, skrev Basil Chupin :
The CV is being developed day-by-day and is always ahead, in one
way, of the heroinewarrier (v4.4) because hw only takes from CV what
it considers to be relevant to it aims.
Nope.  CinHV used to be "upstream", which CinCV _followed_, by merging with CinHV's releases.  CinHV has progressed faster most of the time between those merges. And CinCV broke off with upstream after CinHV 4.0, because merging became hard.  Since then CinCV must have fallen behind quite considerably, though I have not tested CinHV lately to see how big the difference is.-- Herman Robak

Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

[Raffaella Traniello]

Ciao!

> And CinCV broke off with upstream after CinHV 4.0, because

merging became hard.  Since then CinCV must have fallen
behind quite considerably,


I don't think so.
They diverged.
CV has some feature that are not in HV
and HV has some features that are not on CV.

A clear distinction on the website is needed.

Anyone here is using both Cinelerras?
Can we make a collection of differences?

Ciao!
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[CinCV] Attempting Build on Ubuntu 12.04 with external ffmpeg

[Tom Judge]

If anyone can assist me with this error (2) trying to build cinelerra usiong 
external ffmpeg



see error below and thanks :0:0:0

 2 -MT qtffmpeg.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/qtffmpeg.Tpo -c qtffmpeg.c -o 
.libs/qtffmpeg.o
qtffmpeg.c: In function 'quicktime_new_ffmpeg':
qtffmpeg.c:71:3: warning: 'avcodec_alloc_context' is deprecated (declared at 
/usr/local/include/libavcodec/avcodec.h:3485) [-Wdeprecated-declarations]
qtffmpeg.c:94:26: error: 'CODEC_FLAG_H263P_SLICE_STRUCT' undeclared (first use 
in this function)
qtffmpeg.c:94:26: note: each undeclared identifier is reported only once for 
each function it appears in
qtffmpeg.c:99:3: warning: 'avcodec_open' is deprecated (declared at 
/usr/local/include/libavcodec/avcodec.h:3631) [-Wdeprecated-declarations]
make[3]: *** [qtffmpeg.lo] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/judget/cinelerra-cv/quicktime'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/judget/cinelerra-cv/quicktime'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/judget/cinelerra-cv'
make: *** [all] Error 2
judget@tjlaptop:~/cinelerra-cv$ ^C



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[CinCV] Cinelerra Build for Ubuntu 12.10

[Tom Judge]

I also tried to do a build without usiong the external ffmpeg and that make 
went thruough without errors but the make install had the following errors
so now I have no cinelerra on my ubuntu 12.10 at all :(

libtool: relink: gcc -shared  -fPIC -DPIC  .libs/atom.o .libs/avcc.o 
.libs/avi_hdrl.o .libs/avi_idx1.o .libs/avi_movi.o .libs/avi_strl.o 
.libs/avi_odml.o .libs/avi_ix.o .libs/avi_indx.o .libs/avi_riff.o 
.libs/cmodel_default.o .libs/cmodel_float.o .libs/cmodel_yuv420p.o 
.libs/cmodel_yuv422.o .libs/codecs.o .libs/colormodels.o .libs/ctab.o 
.libs/dinf.o .libs/dref.o .libs/edts.o .libs/elst.o .libs/esds.o 
.libs/graphics.o .libs/hdlr.o .libs/ima4.o .libs/interlacemodes.o .libs/jpeg.o 
.libs/libdv.o .libs/libmjpeg.o .libs/matrix.o .libs/mdat.o .libs/mdhd.o 
.libs/mdia.o .libs/minf.o .libs/moov.o .libs/mp4a.o .libs/mvhd.o .libs/plugin.o 
.libs/qtcache.o .libs/qtdv.o .libs/qtffmpeg.o .libs/qth264.o .libs/qtpng.o 
.libs/qtmp3.o .libs/quicktime.o .libs/raw.o .libs/rawaudio.o .libs/rle.o 
.libs/smhd.o .libs/sowt.o .libs/stbl.o .libs/stco.o .libs/stsc.o .libs/stsd.o 
.libs/stsdtable.o .libs/stss.o .libs/stsz.o .libs/stts.o .libs/tkhd.o 
.libs/trak.o .libs/twos.o .libs/udta.o .libs/ulaw.o .libs/util.o .libs/v308.o 
.libs/v408.o .libs/v410.o .libs/vmhd.o .libs/vbraudio.o .libs/vorbis.o 
.libs/workarounds.o .libs/yuv2.o .libs/yuv4.o .libs/yv12.o .libs/wmx2.o 
.libs/wma.o .libs/mpeg4.o  -Wl,--whole-archive encore50/.libs/libencore.a 
-Wl,--no-whole-archive  -L../quicktime/ffmpeg/libavcodec -lavcodec-cinelerra 
-L../quicktime/ffmpeg/libavutil -lavutil-cinelerra -L/usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu 
-lvorbisenc -lvorbisfile -lvorbis -ltheora -logg /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.a 
-lfaad -lfaac -L/usr/local/lib -lmpeg3hv -lx264 -ldv -ljpeg -lpng -lz -lm -ldl 
-lpthread  -O2 -Wl,--no-undefined   -Wl,-soname -Wl,libquicktimehv-1.6.0.so.1 
-o .libs/libquicktimehv-1.6.0.so.1.0.0
.libs/qth264.o: In function `encode':
/home/judget/cinelerra-cv/quicktime/qth264.c:158: undefined reference to 
`x264_encoder_open_128'
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
libtool: install: error: relink `libquicktimehv.la' with the above command 
before installing it
make[3]: *** [install-libLTLIBRARIES] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/judget/cinelerra-cv/quicktime'
make[2]: *** [install-am] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/judget/cinelerra-cv/quicktime'
make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/judget/cinelerra-cv/quicktime'
make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
judget@tjlaptop:~/cinelerra-cv$ 

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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

[Basil Chupin]

On 06/11/12 03:03, Nicola Ferralis wrote:

BC

Once again, the current cinelerra PPA is compiled from source (CV) for 
Ubuntu, in fact it is for pretty much every recent release. The 
current binaries are based on the codebase 2.2 with the recent 
patches. I am not sure why you keep saying that CV is not compiled 
from source for CV.


I have no interest nor motivation to make another ppa for the HW, 
maybe someone else can take that task. When time will allow me, I will 
try to modify the package names to reflect that what is in the PPA 
really is cinelerra-cv.


NF


Ummm, what would you compile it from other than the source? :-)

I looked at this-

http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php

which shows that Cinelerra CV has not been compiled for Ubuntu for quite 
some time - but I got my copy updated only a few hours ago with the 
latest update release made available only some 4 hours ago (at the time 
of writing this).


BC

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Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

[Basil Chupin]

On 06/11/12 02:21, Murray Strome wrote:




*From:* Basil Chupin 
*To:* cinelerra@skolelinux.no
*Sent:* Monday, November 5, 2012 5:02:17 AM
*Subject:* Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

On 05/11/12 20:26, Sean M. Pappalardo wrote:

On 11/3/2012 9:24 PM, Nicola Ferralis wrote:
https://launchpad.net/~cinelerra-ppa/+archive/ppa 



I created the cinelerra-cv  PPA repository for cases where multiple
version of cinelerra repositories were to be installed. However, that
created much trouble and the cinelerra-cv is now deprecated, and out of
date.


Does this apply to everyone? Like is the CV version itself no longer 
maintained and we should all use Heroine's version 4.x? If that's not 
the case, for those of us running straight Debian, is deb-multimedia 
still the recommended place to get the packages?


Thanks for the clarification.


The CV is being developed day-by-day and is always ahead, in one way, 
of the heroinewarrier (v4.4) because hw only takes from CV what it 
considers to be relevant to it aims.


What your problem is is that the CV is not being compiled from source 
file for Ubuntu. On the other hand, I am using openSUSE and I have the 
very latest Cinelerra CV - released only a day or so ago - readily 
available (and installed).


BC

I am using Ubuntu 12.10 and would not want to change distributions 
simply to be able to use Cinelerra-CV. I am getting the impression 
that the CV version is not being kept up to date for Ubuntu, and 
perhaps not for many other distributions such as Debian.  Is that 
correct? If so, I guess I will have to stick with the HW Version.

Murray


Which distro you use is not for me to say but I have tried (almost) all 
of them and there is nothing as good as... :-) .


I looked here to see which versions were available for which distro-

http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php

Whether this list is up to date, I don' know.

BC

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RE: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV

[Nicola Ferralis]

Basil,

If you refer to packages in in the official Ubuntu repositories, well you won't 
find any. That is why I made the PPA in first place. 
Regarding cinelerra.org, I don't really know what is in the official website 
other than links to various sources. All I know is that the PPA offers builds 
with the current version of the source for git (with patches of 09/24/2012). In 
fact these binaries were compiled on the 10/10/2012. 

Now, you may have a source that is newer than the official git in 
cinelerra.org. All I know is that the last update on it was on 09/24. The next 
time an the git tree is update, you will find a new build for Ubuntu in the 
PPA. This obviously doesn't prevent people from compiling their own packages.

Regards,
Nicola


 

From: blchu...@iinet.net.au
To: cinelerra@skolelinux.no
Subject: Re: [CinCV] Cinelerra vs Cinelerra-CV
Date: Tue, 6 Nov 2012 15:20:16 +1100


  

  
  
On 06/11/12 03:03, Nicola Ferralis
  wrote:



  
  BC



Once again, the current cinelerra PPA is compiled from source
(CV) for Ubuntu, in fact it is for pretty much every recent
release. The current binaries are based on the codebase 2.2 with
the recent patches. I am not sure why you keep saying that CV is
not compiled from source for CV.



I have no interest nor motivation to make another ppa for the
HW, maybe someone else can take that task. When time will allow
me, I will try to modify the package names to reflect that what
is in the PPA really is cinelerra-cv.



NF

  



Ummm, what would you compile it from other than the source?  :-) 



I looked at this-



http://cinelerra.org/getting_cinelerra.php



which shows that Cinelerra CV has not been compiled for Ubuntu for
quite some time - but I got my copy updated only a few hours ago
with the latest update release made available only some 4 hours ago
(at the time of writing this).



BC

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AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor
16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel Corsair "Vengeance" RAM
Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX550Ti 1GB DDR5 GPU