[CentOS] CentOS 7 Cloudstack templates

[Nux!]

Hi,

Just letting everyone know I've made some CentOS 7 templates for Cloudstack 
available at:
http://dl.openvm.eu/cloudstack/centos/vanilla/7/x86_64/

Any feedback welcome.

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Re: [CentOS] Cloud Images

[Karanbir Singh]

Hi Tim

On 07/14/2014 07:27 AM, Tim Bell wrote:
> Any chance of a refresh of the cloud image 
> (http://buildlogs.centos.org/centos/7/cloud/) and including cloud-init and 
> the repos ? 
> 
> With this, we can start asking our end users to give CentOS 7 a spin on the 
> cloud..

Coming in the next few days, the big blocker has been working out what
andhowto handle cloud-init, and I think there is some clarity on that
now. Will post to the centos-devel list with a few options ( and we
might just execute on all of them ).


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Re: [CentOS] Command Line Commands Aren't Working.....

[Scott Robbins]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:48:26AM -0400, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> On 07/13/2014 10:07 PM, Fred Smith wrote:

> Well it's like I had said before.when the USB boots up, it doesn't 
> give me any type of real options except to install the OSor "Test" 
> the media and THEN install the os. when I select "Install the OS" it 
> automatically scrolls through a whole lot of lines of code and things 
> its doing...and then "drops" me to the "#" command prompt. Maybe I'll 
> download the CD/DVD iso and try again with the LiveUSB creator. 

It sounds as if it's not a live USB.  Is there a live CD or USB for CentOS
7 yet? 
As for it dropping you to a root prompt, not sure what's 
goin on there.  For me, when I used the netinstall, after various and
sundry things, it opens to an Anaconda (the GUI installer) window and
begins to install (after waiting for various input from me.)

If there is less than a certain amount of memory, it will then go through
the crippled text install which doesn't allow you to do any customization
unless you've set up a kickstart file.

So, if it's just dropping to a root prompt and not doing very much,
something might be broken. 

However, a description, even if brief, of the "things it's doing" might be
useful. 


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Re: [CentOS] centos plus kernel - moving it in and back out again

[Elias Persson]

On 2014-07-12 09:26, Frank Cox wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2014 17:19:22 -0600
> Frank Cox wrote:
>
>> My main computer has a Logitech wireless mouse that's likely affected by the
>> bug, though I haven't tried it yet to verify that.
>
> My Logitech wireless mouse model M510 is NOT affected by this bug.  I just 
> plugged it into my laptop that I have Centos 7 installed on, and it works 
> perfectly.
>

M510 is as affected as anything else with the tiny unified receiver. 
It's a race condition though, so sometimes it works, sometimes it 
doesn't. It's more likely to happen on boot, I think.
 From what I can recall of the Fedora days with the relevant kernels, 
un- and re-plugging the receiver or un- and re-loading the module would 
typically get things working again, though it could take a few attempts.
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Re: [CentOS] Installing CentOS-7 but keeping CentOS-6.5

[Ted Miller]

On 07/13/2014 01:01 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> I'm having trouble installing CentOS-7 on my HP MicroServer.
> I've tried with KDE LiveCD and Netinstall (both on USB sticks),
> and now I'm going to try with the DVD ISO.
>
> But I want to be quite sure I can return to CentOS-6.5
> if things go wrong, so I'm wondering what precisely I need to copy
> (eg the MBR and a bit more) so that I could get back to things as they were.
> Is this documented anywhere?
>
> Actually, both failed installations did give a boot menu
> including the old 6.5 system,
> but I'm afraid sometime this might not work,
> and I will be cut off from the world.
>
> Incidentally, the "Repair" option on the netinstall system
> was not as useful as I expected,
> or perhaps I don't know how to use it properly.
> It entered the new CentOS-7 system OK on chroot-ing,
> even mounting other partitions listed in /etc/fstab .
> And I was able to bring up the interfaces with "service network restart".
> But although I ran grub2-install , this did not help matters.
>
> Is there anything else one can do after chrooting into a system?
> Eg, can one boot the system in any way?
>
> Any advice or suggestions gratefully received.

You asked what to keep to be able to boot C6.  From your narrative, it 
seems that the legacy grub boot for C6 is already gone (blown away) by your 
C7 install.  I haven't figured out enough about grub2 to be able to tell 
you how to preserve your current grub2 configuration, but here are some 
possible ways to keep C6 accessible:

1. The Super Grub2 Disk from http://www.supergrubdisk.org seems to be 
pretty good at finding any and all possibilities for booting using new and 
old versions of grub.

2. If you are reinstalling into exactly the same location as your previous 
C7 attempts (same devices for boot and root), just don't let the installer 
update the boot information.  Since you know it boots both versions now, it 
should still boot both versions after the install.

Not knowing what your installation problem is, I can't tell (and you may 
not be able to tell either) if anything is wrong with your boot 
information, or if that is OK.

3. From C3, install legacy grub onto a USB stick, which would allow you to 
boot directly to C6, without any requirement for anything to be on a hard 
drive.

4. It is also possible to set up a CD that will boot your computer, but I 
don't remember the details of that.

Hope one of these, or something someone else chimes in, will help you. 
Also hope you get the C7 install figured out.  So far I have only done it 
from DVD, and those went well for me.

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Steve Clark]

On 07/12/2014 11:08 AM, Lamar Owen wrote:
> [I wasn't going to reply; but after thinking about it for quite a while,
> there are a few points here that deserve just a bit of level-headed
> attention.]
>
> On 07/11/2014 10:53 AM, David G. Miller wrote:
>> Les Mikesell  writes:
>>
>>> Or, if you want things to respawn, the original init handled that
>>> very nicely via inittab.
> Replying to Les' comment:  the original inittab respawn method is
> completely brain-dead, blindly respawning without any thought for what
> conditions might need to be checked, etc.
>
>> Just pointing out one of several approaches to respawning a daemon without
>> the overhead of systemd.
> Replying to David: So you'd prefer the overhead of cron plus shells plus
> a bit of arcane syntax?  When I first replied to this crontab line, I
> honestly thought you were being tongue-in-cheek.
>
> I have a similar sort of kluge in place, on a CentOS 6 system at a
> client, that uses the autossh package to hold open ssh reverse tunnels;
> reverse tunnels are great when the client's machine is behind a
> known-to-change-frequently dynamic address.
>> I went with this approach since the problem is not
>> with radvd or its init script but with my IPv6 tunnel provider.
> Sounds like something that systemd's concept of process dependencies
> could solve for you with an easier (and non-executable) syntax. Systemd
> provides an 'OnFailure' directive that allows you to do whatever you'd
> like upon failure of an particular 'unit.'  That sort of mechanism might
> allow you to implement the process equivalent of Cisco IOS' IP SLA's.
> (You could mount /etc (and /var) noexec and have /usr and friends
> mounted read-only, even.)
>
>> I wanted
>> something that didn't require modifying any of the installed bits.
> This is why sysadmin configs for systemd are in /etc and the OS-supplied
> configs are in /usr.  Your /etc 'units' to systemd will override the OS
> installed ones, and are all collected together in one well-defined and
> standard place.
>
>> This
>> approach also means that updates to radvd and friends don't overwrite my
>> modifications.
> This is why sysadmin configs for systemd are in /etc and the OS-supplied
> configs are in /usr.  Your /etc 'units' for systemd will not be touched
> by the updates to the OS-supplied ones.
>
>
>> Just "playing with" the IPv6 stuff so having it down for up
>> to five minutes also isn't a problem.  The source of the problem goes away
>> when my ISP provides IPv6 and I don't need to tunnel IPv6 in IPv4 anymore.
> If you can figure out IPv6 then systemd should be no sweat.
>
>> I look at systemd as being yet another nuclear fly swatter.  Overkill for
>> simple problems that can and should be be addressed at the problem without a
>> sweeping, system level change.
> I have done all of the various init styles at various times, so I make
> this statement having 27 years of experience dealing with Unix-like
> systems (I won't bore anyone with the list): in my quick perusal of
> systemd and its documentation, I'm cautiously optimistic that maybe
> finally we have something that a sysadmin can really make sing.  Time
> will tell, of course, whether systemd actually addresses the core
> problems or not; we've already had one round of an init replacement,
> Upstart, that didn't succeed in fully addressing the core problems (but
> will be with us until 2020 as part of EL6).  And I always reserve the
> right to be wrong.
>
> But traditional SystemV init last appears in EL5, which, while it is
> still supported until 2017, is two major versions old at this point. And
> in case you missed the announcement from Red Hat, EL5.11 is the last
> minor version update of EL5, with subsequent updates being released as
> they come and not batched into point releases.  (I now know my last
> targeted version for IA64 rebuilding, which is good.as long as I can
> put in some automation to grab updates from then on).
>
Hi Lamar,

Having been working with UNIX like systems since 1985
my biggest complaint with systemd is it so intrusive, it wants to be everything 
which makes
it vulnerable to bugs and exploits - umm.. like Windoze!

My $.02

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Always Learning]

On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 06:42 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:

> Having been working with UNIX like systems since 1985
> my biggest complaint with systemd is it so intrusive, it wants to be
> everything which makes
> it vulnerable to bugs and exploits - umm.. like Windoze!

> My $.02

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[William Woods]

On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Always Learning  wrote:

> 
> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 06:42 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
> 
>> Having been working with UNIX like systems since 1985
>> my biggest complaint with systemd is it so intrusive, it wants to be
>> everything which makes
>> it vulnerable to bugs and exploits - umm.. like Windoze!
> 
>> My $.02
> 
> + $ 10.00 :-)

Because UNIX has never had a bug or exploit right ?

> 
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Always Learning]

On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 07:18 -0500, William Woods wrote:
> 
> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Always Learning  wrote:
> 
> > 
> > On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 06:42 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
> > 
> >> Having been working with UNIX like systems since 1985
> >> my biggest complaint with systemd is it so intrusive, it wants to be
> >> everything which makes
> >> it vulnerable to bugs and exploits - umm.. like Windoze!
> > 
> >> My $.02
> > 
> > + $ 10.00 :-)
> 
> Because UNIX has never had a bug or exploit right ?

There is an old English saying "Never put all your eggs in the same
basket."

If systemd has a bug or is exploited, because it does so many different
things, the resulting "damage" to a working system is potentially
significantly greater than if systemd did less functions.  As previously
stated by JH, its in RH so its in Centos. We have to accept it or go
elsewhere.


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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[m . roth]

William Woods wrote:
> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Always Learning  wrote:
>> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 06:42 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
>>
>>> Having been working with UNIX like systems since 1985
>>> my biggest complaint with systemd is it so intrusive, it wants to be
>>> everything which makes
>>> it vulnerable to bugs and exploits - umm.. like Windoze!
>>
>>> My $.02
>>
>> + $ 10.00 :-)
>
> Because UNIX has never had a bug or exploit right ?
>

Well... we know that > 50% of the Web and 'Net runs on Linux and other
unices. Compare and contrast the number of Windows Server vulnerabilities
that have been exploited to those of *Nix... and, for extra credit, how
fast they were admitted, and fixed.

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[William Woods]

Like OpenSSL ?

On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:48 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:

> William Woods wrote:
>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Always Learning  wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 06:42 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
>>> 
 Having been working with UNIX like systems since 1985
 my biggest complaint with systemd is it so intrusive, it wants to be
 everything which makes
 it vulnerable to bugs and exploits - umm.. like Windoze!
>>> 
 My $.02
>>> 
>>> + $ 10.00 :-)
>> 
>> Because UNIX has never had a bug or exploit right ?
>> 
> 
> Well... we know that > 50% of the Web and 'Net runs on Linux and other
> unices. Compare and contrast the number of Windows Server vulnerabilities
> that have been exploited to those of *Nix... and, for extra credit, how
> fast they were admitted, and fixed.
> 
>   mark
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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[m . roth]

William Woods wrote:

Please stop top posting.
>
> On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:48 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> William Woods wrote:
>>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Always Learning 
>>> wrote:
 On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 06:42 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:

> Having been working with UNIX like systems since 1985
> my biggest complaint with systemd is it so intrusive, it wants to be
> everything which makes
> it vulnerable to bugs and exploits - umm.. like Windoze!

> My $.02

 + $ 10.00 :-)
>>>
>>> Because UNIX has never had a bug or exploit right ?
>>>
>>
>> Well... we know that > 50% of the Web and 'Net runs on Linux and other
>> unices. Compare and contrast the number of Windows Server
>> vulnerabilities
>> that have been exploited to those of *Nix... and, for extra credit, how
>> fast they were admitted, and fixed.
>>

> Like OpenSSL ?

I suggest you google with the following search criteria: "windows server"
exploits

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[William Woods]

On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:19 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:

> William Woods wrote:
> 
> Please stop top posting.
>> 
>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:48 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>> William Woods wrote:
 On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Always Learning 
 wrote:
> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 06:42 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
> 
>> Having been working with UNIX like systems since 1985
>> my biggest complaint with systemd is it so intrusive, it wants to be
>> everything which makes
>> it vulnerable to bugs and exploits - umm.. like Windoze!
> 
>> My $.02
> 
> + $ 10.00 :-)
 
 Because UNIX has never had a bug or exploit right ?
 
>>> 
>>> Well... we know that > 50% of the Web and 'Net runs on Linux and other
>>> unices. Compare and contrast the number of Windows Server
>>> vulnerabilities
>>> that have been exploited to those of *Nix... and, for extra credit, how
>>> fast they were admitted, and fixed.
>>> 
> 
>> Like OpenSSL ?
> 
> I suggest you google with the following search criteria: "windows server"
> exploits
> 
>  mark

Sigh, nothing like a zealot. ALL OS’s have vulns and exploits, no matter what 
you decide to believe.


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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Steve Clark]

On 07/14/2014 11:26 AM, William Woods wrote:
> On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:19 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>
>> William Woods wrote:
>>
>> Please stop top posting.
>>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:48 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 William Woods wrote:
> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Always Learning 
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 06:42 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
>>
>>> Having been working with UNIX like systems since 1985
>>> my biggest complaint with systemd is it so intrusive, it wants to be
>>> everything which makes
>>> it vulnerable to bugs and exploits - umm.. like Windoze!
>>> My $.02
>> + $ 10.00 :-)
> Because UNIX has never had a bug or exploit right ?
>
 Well... we know that > 50% of the Web and 'Net runs on Linux and other
 unices. Compare and contrast the number of Windows Server
 vulnerabilities
 that have been exploited to those of *Nix... and, for extra credit, how
 fast they were admitted, and fixed.

>>> Like OpenSSL ?
>> I suggest you google with the following search criteria: "windows server"
>> exploits
>>
>>   mark
> Sigh, nothing like a zealot. ALL OS's have vulns and exploits, no matter what 
> you decide to believe.
>
Sigh, nothing like someone who is in a constant state of deniability.

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[CentOS] Cemtos 6 - rc.local does not run

[Cosme Corrêa]

Is there a special step for this?

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On Jul 8, 2014 4:32 PM,  wrote:

> Always Learning wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, 2014-07-08 at 11:10 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:
> >> On 7/8/2014 10:36 AM, Always Learning wrote:
> >> > 75 baud on a TTY (clank, clank, clank, ding, thud as the printer head
> >> > returned to the beginning of the line) and an amazingly fast speed of
> >> > 300 baud on the up-market Terminet (? spelling).
> >> >
> >> > Perhaps the speeds were 300 and 1,200 baud? It was a long time ago.
> >>
> >> actual Teletype KSR/ASR 33 kind of machines were 110 baud (10 cps, as
> >> they used 2 stop bits)
> >
> > 110 baud definitely rings a bell.  I saw my first Teletype in 1967/1968
> > at Scotland's National Engineering Laboratory (NEL). Chugging away, it
> > seemed to be an exciting example of "real" computing - and it wasn't a
> > bit like punched cards.
>
> 'Ey! What'cho got 'gainst punch cards?
>
> mark "except the card punch in the lab that punched *other* than
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[CentOS] Disable auto window maximize

[Steve]

Job #1 for me with CentOS 7 is to disable the automatic window maximization.

Some googling found this command:
$ gsettings set org.gnome.mutter auto-maximize false
No such schema 'org.gnome.mutter'

and this:

$ gsettings set orh.gnome.shell.overrides edge-tiling false
but that had no visible effect.

I couldn't find anything under Applications->documentation and I didn't see 
anything in the on-line GNOME help manual.

I looked under Applications->System Tools and Applications->Utilities. I found 
the Tweak Tool but didn't see anything in there either.

Can someone point me to some documentation on how to do this?

Thanks,
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[CentOS] latest freeIPA on CentOS

[Johnny Tan]

We're looking to run freeipa on CentOS-6.5.

It seems the version available for 6.5 is 3.0, whereas the latest 3.x is
3.3.5 (available in F19 & 20). And now I see 4.0 was just released and will
be in F21 (with support for native OTP-based 2FA!).


Has anyone attempted rebuilds against the F19/20 3.3.5 RPMS for CentOS?
Given the dependency chain, is it worth going down this rabbit hole?

Otherwise, is everyone who is running CentOS and FreeIPA pretty much using
3.0?


Since it's a new build, I was hoping we could start with the latest stable,
but not ready yet to run RHEL7/CentOS7 or Fedora in our environment.

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Re: [CentOS] latest freeIPA on CentOS

[Rainer Duffner]

Am Mon, 14 Jul 2014 11:47:32 -0400
schrieb Johnny Tan :

> We're looking to run freeipa on CentOS-6.5.
> 
> It seems the version available for 6.5 is 3.0, whereas the latest 3.x
> is 3.3.5 (available in F19 & 20). And now I see 4.0 was just released
> and will be in F21 (with support for native OTP-based 2FA!).
> 


CentOS7 has 3.3

I don't know if RedHat will backport it to 6.x like they did previously.

I think we will start with what is in CentOS 7.0 and see how far we get.
We will even buy RHEL-lics for it.

I certainly don't want to run Fedora in production - and I don't want
to do the backport for  such a complicated piece of software myself.
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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Mauricio Tavares]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Steve Clark  wrote:
> On 07/14/2014 11:26 AM, William Woods wrote:
>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:19 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>
>>> William Woods wrote:
>>>
>>> Please stop top posting.
 On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:48 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> William Woods wrote:
>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Always Learning 
>> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 06:42 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
>>>
 Having been working with UNIX like systems since 1985
 my biggest complaint with systemd is it so intrusive, it wants to be
 everything which makes
 it vulnerable to bugs and exploits - umm.. like Windoze!
 My $.02
>>> + $ 10.00 :-)
>> Because UNIX has never had a bug or exploit right ?
>>
> Well... we know that > 50% of the Web and 'Net runs on Linux and other
> unices. Compare and contrast the number of Windows Server
> vulnerabilities
> that have been exploited to those of *Nix... and, for extra credit, how
> fast they were admitted, and fixed.
>
 Like OpenSSL ?
>>> I suggest you google with the following search criteria: "windows server"
>>> exploits
>>>
>>>   mark
>> Sigh, nothing like a zealot. ALL OS's have vulns and exploits, no matter 
>> what you decide to believe.
>>
> Sigh, nothing like someone who is in a constant state of deniability.
>

  Ok, I posted last week a question in this list about configuring
two interfaces, one of which being a bridge, to get dhcp and make the
bridge one be the primary one as far as which dns and router to pick.

Using systemd only was my requirement. i.e. using /etc/systemd/system/
instead of /etc/sysconfig/network{,-scripts}.

The replies I got were "oh, you can still use
/etc/sysconfig/network{,-scripts} with systemd *for now*, so you can
kludge it together." What's the point then? systemd is supposed to
handle something as simple as two little interfaces; I am not even
talking about vlans and virtual interfaces. I know how to do it using
/etc/sysconfig/network{,-scripts}, but that is besides the point. If
systemd is the Way of the Future, I should be able to do this simple
configuration in it in CentOS 7. After all, with CentOS 7, systemd is
the de facto way to do things, right?

I do sound annoyed because I am: I keep hearing about how systemd is
"going to liberate us from the Old White Man way of doing things," and
I am willing to be the devil's advocate here for I plan on using Linux
in the foreseeable future. But, if it cannot deliver me two little
interfaces up and running -- not asking for cookies and a massage but
would not turn them down if I get my interfaces up and happy -- I do
have an issue.

So, for those who know the Way of The systemd, please show me here or
in my thread (so we keep this one on-topic) how to do that in a
completely systemd-networkd way (and why what I wrote is boink). Is
that too much to ask?



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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Andrew Wyatt]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:19 AM,  wrote:

> William Woods wrote:
>
> Please stop top posting.
> >
> > On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:48 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> >> William Woods wrote:
> >>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Always Learning 
> >>> wrote:
>  On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 06:42 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
> 
> > Having been working with UNIX like systems since 1985
> > my biggest complaint with systemd is it so intrusive, it wants to be
> > everything which makes
> > it vulnerable to bugs and exploits - umm.. like Windoze!
> 
> > My $.02
> 
>  + $ 10.00 :-)
> >>>
> >>> Because UNIX has never had a bug or exploit right ?
> >>>
> >>
> >> Well... we know that > 50% of the Web and 'Net runs on Linux and other
> >> unices. Compare and contrast the number of Windows Server
> >> vulnerabilities
> >> that have been exploited to those of *Nix... and, for extra credit, how
> >> fast they were admitted, and fixed.
> >>
>
> > Like OpenSSL ?
>
> I suggest you google with the following search criteria: "windows server"
> exploits
>
>   mark
>

Are you really trying to win the thread with "but omg windows!"?  All
software is swiss cheese, the only really secure software is turned off.
 Windows is no more or less secure than anything else out there.

OpenSSL is sadly an excellent example of that.


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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[William Woods]

On Jul 14, 2014, at 11:19 AM, Andrew Wyatt  wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 10:19 AM,  wrote:
> 
>> William Woods wrote:
>> 
>> Please stop top posting.
>>> 
>>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:48 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
 William Woods wrote:
> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Always Learning 
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 06:42 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
>> 
>>> Having been working with UNIX like systems since 1985
>>> my biggest complaint with systemd is it so intrusive, it wants to be
>>> everything which makes
>>> it vulnerable to bugs and exploits - umm.. like Windoze!
>> 
>>> My $.02
>> 
>> + $ 10.00 :-)
> 
> Because UNIX has never had a bug or exploit right ?
> 
 
 Well... we know that > 50% of the Web and 'Net runs on Linux and other
 unices. Compare and contrast the number of Windows Server
 vulnerabilities
 that have been exploited to those of *Nix... and, for extra credit, how
 fast they were admitted, and fixed.
 
>> 
>>> Like OpenSSL ?
>> 
>> I suggest you google with the following search criteria: "windows server"
>> exploits
>> 
>>  mark
>> 
> 
> Are you really trying to win the thread with "but omg windows!"?  All
> software is swiss cheese, the only really secure software is turned off.
> Windows is no more or less secure than anything else out there.
> 
> OpenSSL is sadly an excellent example of that.

I was going to bring up OpenSSL but…..yea that.
> 
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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[m . roth]

Steve Clark wrote:
> On 07/14/2014 11:26 AM, William Woods wrote:
>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:19 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>>> William Woods wrote:
>>>
>>> Please stop top posting.
 On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:48 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> William Woods wrote:
>> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Always Learning 
>> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 06:42 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
>>>
 Having been working with UNIX like systems since 1985
 my biggest complaint with systemd is it so intrusive, it wants to
 be everything which makes it vulnerable to bugs and exploits -
 umm.. like Windoze!
 My $.02
>>> + $ 10.00 :-)
>> Because UNIX has never had a bug or exploit right ?
>>
> Well... we know that > 50% of the Web and 'Net runs on Linux and
> other unices. Compare and contrast the number of Windows Server
> vulnerabilities that have been exploited to those of *Nix... and,
> for extra credit, how fast they were admitted, and fixed.
>
 Like OpenSSL ?
>>> I suggest you google with the following search criteria: "windows
>>> server" exploits
>>>
>> Sigh, nothing like a zealot. ALL OS's have vulns and exploits, no matter
>> what you decide to believe.
>>
> Sigh, nothing like someone who is in a constant state of deniability.
>
Replying to this, because I saw a reply from him, but there was no new
content, for some reason.

Anyway, he also seems determined to see it all as black and white, rather
than looking at the *much* larger set of bugs and vulnerabilities that
Windows Server has had than any version of 'Nix. Sure, we have some... but
a *lot* fewer, and overwhelmingly far less serious.

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Andrew Wyatt]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:38 AM,  wrote:

> Steve Clark wrote:
> > On 07/14/2014 11:26 AM, William Woods wrote:
> >> On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:19 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> >>> William Woods wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Please stop top posting.
>  On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:48 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> > William Woods wrote:
> >> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Always Learning 
> >> wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 06:42 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
> >>>
>  Having been working with UNIX like systems since 1985
>  my biggest complaint with systemd is it so intrusive, it wants to
>  be everything which makes it vulnerable to bugs and exploits -
>  umm.. like Windoze!
>  My $.02
> >>> + $ 10.00 :-)
> >> Because UNIX has never had a bug or exploit right ?
> >>
> > Well... we know that > 50% of the Web and 'Net runs on Linux and
> > other unices. Compare and contrast the number of Windows Server
> > vulnerabilities that have been exploited to those of *Nix... and,
> > for extra credit, how fast they were admitted, and fixed.
> >
>  Like OpenSSL ?
> >>> I suggest you google with the following search criteria: "windows
> >>> server" exploits
> >>>
> >> Sigh, nothing like a zealot. ALL OS's have vulns and exploits, no matter
> >> what you decide to believe.
> >>
> > Sigh, nothing like someone who is in a constant state of deniability.
> >
> Replying to this, because I saw a reply from him, but there was no new
> content, for some reason.
>
> Anyway, he also seems determined to see it all as black and white, rather
> than looking at the *much* larger set of bugs and vulnerabilities that
> Windows Server has had than any version of 'Nix. Sure, we have some... but
> a *lot* fewer, and overwhelmingly far less serious.
>
> mark
>
>
Yup, overwhelmingly less serious.

http://heartbleed.com/

Oh, wait.


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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[m . roth]

Andrew Wyatt wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:38 AM,  wrote:
>
>> Steve Clark wrote:
>> > On 07/14/2014 11:26 AM, William Woods wrote:
>> >> On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:19 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> >>> William Woods wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Please stop top posting.
>>  On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:48 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> > William Woods wrote:
>> >> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Always Learning 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 06:42 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
>> >>>
>>  Having been working with UNIX like systems since 1985
>>  my biggest complaint with systemd is it so intrusive, it wants
>> to
>>  be everything which makes it vulnerable to bugs and exploits -
>>  umm.. like Windoze!
>>  My $.02
>> >>> + $ 10.00 :-)
>> >> Because UNIX has never had a bug or exploit right ?
>> >>
>> > Well... we know that > 50% of the Web and 'Net runs on Linux and
>> > other unices. Compare and contrast the number of Windows Server
>> > vulnerabilities that have been exploited to those of *Nix... and,
>> > for extra credit, how fast they were admitted, and fixed.
>> >
>>  Like OpenSSL ?
>> >>> I suggest you google with the following search criteria: "windows
>> >>> server" exploits
>> >>>
>> >> Sigh, nothing like a zealot. ALL OS's have vulns and exploits, no
>> matter
>> >> what you decide to believe.
>> >>
>> > Sigh, nothing like someone who is in a constant state of deniability.
>> >
>> Replying to this, because I saw a reply from him, but there was no new
>> content, for some reason.
>>
>> Anyway, he also seems determined to see it all as black and white,
>> rather than looking at the *much* larger set of bugs and
vulnerabilities that
>> Windows Server has had than any version of 'Nix. Sure, we have some...
>> but a *lot* fewer, and overwhelmingly far less serious.
>>
> Yup, overwhelmingly less serious.
>
> http://heartbleed.com/
>
> Oh, wait.

This is *pointless*. Point to something *OTHER* than heartbleed. And as
this is the CentOS list, please note that 5.x was *not* affected at all.

Or does your attention span not go back more than a couple of months?

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Andrew Wyatt]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:52 AM,  wrote:

> Andrew Wyatt wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:38 AM,  wrote:
> >
> >> Steve Clark wrote:
> >> > On 07/14/2014 11:26 AM, William Woods wrote:
> >> >> On Jul 14, 2014, at 10:19 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> >> >>> William Woods wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Please stop top posting.
> >>  On Jul 14, 2014, at 9:48 AM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> >> > William Woods wrote:
> >> >> On Jul 14, 2014, at 7:15 AM, Always Learning  >
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 06:42 -0400, Steve Clark wrote:
> >> >>>
> >>  Having been working with UNIX like systems since 1985
> >>  my biggest complaint with systemd is it so intrusive, it wants
> >> to
> >>  be everything which makes it vulnerable to bugs and exploits -
> >>  umm.. like Windoze!
> >>  My $.02
> >> >>> + $ 10.00 :-)
> >> >> Because UNIX has never had a bug or exploit right ?
> >> >>
> >> > Well... we know that > 50% of the Web and 'Net runs on Linux and
> >> > other unices. Compare and contrast the number of Windows Server
> >> > vulnerabilities that have been exploited to those of *Nix... and,
> >> > for extra credit, how fast they were admitted, and fixed.
> >> >
> >>  Like OpenSSL ?
> >> >>> I suggest you google with the following search criteria: "windows
> >> >>> server" exploits
> >> >>>
> >> >> Sigh, nothing like a zealot. ALL OS's have vulns and exploits, no
> >> matter
> >> >> what you decide to believe.
> >> >>
> >> > Sigh, nothing like someone who is in a constant state of deniability.
> >> >
> >> Replying to this, because I saw a reply from him, but there was no new
> >> content, for some reason.
> >>
> >> Anyway, he also seems determined to see it all as black and white,
> >> rather than looking at the *much* larger set of bugs and
> vulnerabilities that
> >> Windows Server has had than any version of 'Nix. Sure, we have some...
> >> but a *lot* fewer, and overwhelmingly far less serious.
> >>
> > Yup, overwhelmingly less serious.
> >
> > http://heartbleed.com/
> >
> > Oh, wait.
>
> This is *pointless*. Point to something *OTHER* than heartbleed. And as
> this is the CentOS list, please note that 5.x was *not* affected at all.
>
> Or does your attention span not go back more than a couple of months?
>
>  mark, getting annoyed
>
>
Ok, older.  I can do that.

https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=962792

Have another one.  Doesn't matter that 5.x wasn't affected at all by
Heartbleed, 5.x is ancient and had its own set of flaws over its lifecycle.


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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Les Mikesell]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Andrew Wyatt  wrote:
> >>
>> Anyway, he also seems determined to see it all as black and white, rather
>> than looking at the *much* larger set of bugs and vulnerabilities that
>> Windows Server has had than any version of 'Nix. Sure, we have some... but
>> a *lot* fewer, and overwhelmingly far less serious.
>>
>> mark
>>
>>
> Yup, overwhelmingly less serious.
>
> http://heartbleed.com/
>
> Oh, wait.

Openssl doesn't have much to do with Unix/linux.  It is just one of a
bazillion application level programs that you might run.  Are you
going to include all bugs in all possible windows apps in your
security comparison?

But init/upstart/systemd are very special things in the unix/linux
ecosystem.  They become the parent process of everything else.  For
everything else, the only way to create a process is fork(), with it's
forced inheritance of environment and security contexts.

In any case, giant monolithic programs that try to do everything
sometimes become become better than a toolbox, but it tends to be
rare.  First, it takes years to fix the worst of the bugs - but maybe
that has already happened in fedora...  And after that it is an
improvement only if the designers really did anticipate every possible
need.   Otherwise the old unix philosophy that processes are cheap -
if you need another one to do something, use it - is still in play.
If you need something to track how many times something has been
respawned or to check/clean related things at startup/restart you'll
probably still need a shell there anyway.

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Andrew Wyatt]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:10 PM, Les Mikesell 
wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 11:47 AM, Andrew Wyatt  wrote:
> > >>
> >> Anyway, he also seems determined to see it all as black and white,
> rather
> >> than looking at the *much* larger set of bugs and vulnerabilities that
> >> Windows Server has had than any version of 'Nix. Sure, we have some...
> but
> >> a *lot* fewer, and overwhelmingly far less serious.
> >>
> >> mark
> >>
> >>
> > Yup, overwhelmingly less serious.
> >
> > http://heartbleed.com/
> >
> > Oh, wait.
>
> Openssl doesn't have much to do with Unix/linux.  It is just one of a
> bazillion application level programs that you might run.  Are you
> going to include all bugs in all possible windows apps in your
> security comparison?
>

OpenSSL is a library, not an application, but I understand where you're
going with this.  No you wouldn't include all Windows apps, but you would
include anything that's immediately available to Windows.  Same principle
here.  We wouldn't measure Oracle, like we wouldn't SQL server but we would
OpenSSL because it's available in the repo and not third party.


>
> But init/upstart/systemd are very special things in the unix/linux
> ecosystem.  They become the parent process of everything else.  For
> everything else, the only way to create a process is fork(), with it's
> forced inheritance of environment and security contexts.
>

Yes, they sure are, you're right about that.  Without an init (of any
kind), you only have a kernel.  You don't have mounted filesystems, or
anything else.


>
> In any case, giant monolithic programs that try to do everything
> sometimes become become better than a toolbox, but it tends to be
> rare.  First, it takes years to fix the worst of the bugs - but maybe
> that has already happened in fedora...  And after that it is an
> improvement only if the designers really did anticipate every possible
> need.   Otherwise the old unix philosophy that processes are cheap -
> if you need another one to do something, use it - is still in play.
> If you need something to track how many times something has been
> respawned or to check/clean related things at startup/restart you'll
> probably still need a shell there anyway.
>
>
It's very rare.  I wasn't speaking to this though in this instance, I was
only speaking to Windows security not being any better or worse than
anything else.  Security is only as good as your admins and your
implementation.  It's also an on-going process on any platform.  I was just
pointing out that it's beyond silly to "because windows is less secure!".


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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 6 - rc.local does not run

[Ian Pilcher]

On 07/14/2014 10:39 AM, Cosme Corrêa wrote:
> Is there a special step for this?

systemctl enable rc-local.service

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[CentOS] Changing gdm background

[Ian Pilcher]

Anyone know how to do $SUBJECT?  I've tried running both gnome-control-
center and dconf as the gdm user, but neither one had any effect.

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Les Mikesell]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Andrew Wyatt  wrote:
> >> >
>> > http://heartbleed.com/
>> >
>> > Oh, wait.
>>
>> Openssl doesn't have much to do with Unix/linux.  It is just one of a
>> bazillion application level programs that you might run.  Are you
>> going to include all bugs in all possible windows apps in your
>> security comparison?
>>
>
> OpenSSL is a library, not an application,

And not used unless an application uses it.

>>
>> But init/upstart/systemd are very special things in the unix/linux
>> ecosystem.  They become the parent process of everything else.  For
>> everything else, the only way to create a process is fork(), with it's
>> forced inheritance of environment and security contexts.
>>
>
> Yes, they sure are, you're right about that.  Without an init (of any
> kind), you only have a kernel.  You don't have mounted filesystems, or
> anything else.

And no other processes


>> In any case, giant monolithic programs that try to do everything
>> sometimes become become better than a toolbox, but it tends to be
>> rare.  First, it takes years to fix the worst of the bugs - but maybe
>> that has already happened in fedora...  And after that it is an
>> improvement only if the designers really did anticipate every possible
>> need.   Otherwise the old unix philosophy that processes are cheap -
>> if you need another one to do something, use it - is still in play.
>> If you need something to track how many times something has been
>> respawned or to check/clean related things at startup/restart you'll
>> probably still need a shell there anyway.
>>
>>
> It's very rare.  I wasn't speaking to this though in this instance, I was
> only speaking to Windows security not being any better or worse than
> anything else.

Yes, using window vs. unix/linux is an overreach as an analoy here -
and unnecessary.  It's just a matter of 'big, new, monolithic' code
bases  vs. a small set of well-tested reusable tools.   We could just
run everything under java if we wanted. But. how many years old is
java and how often are there still mandatory updates of the whole
thing because of some recently noticed security bug in some part of
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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 6 - rc.local does not run

[Jonathan Billings]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:27:47PM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
> On 07/14/2014 10:39 AM, Cosme Corrêa wrote:
> > Is there a special step for this?
> 
> systemctl enable rc-local.service

This shouldn't be required.  The rc-local.service should automatically
start in the multi-user.target if the file /etc/rc.d/rc.local exists,
and is executable.

Make sure you're using /etc/rc.d/rc.local and not /etc/rc.local.
There should already be a compatibility symlink (same as in EL6).

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 6 - rc.local does not run

[Ian Pilcher]

On 07/14/2014 12:43 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> 
> 
> Am 14.07.2014 19:27, schrieb Ian Pilcher:
>> On 07/14/2014 10:39 AM, Cosme Corrêa wrote:
>>> Is there a special step for this?
>>
>> systemctl enable rc-local.service
> 
> on *CentOS 6*
> let me hear from where you get systemd there
> 

Whoops!  Missed that.

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Always Learning]

On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 11:19 -0500, Andrew Wyatt wrote:

>  Windows is no more or less secure than anything else out there.

Not with so many of Windoze world-wide users getting viruses all the
time. Centos is inherently more secure than Windoze.


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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Always Learning]

On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 12:02 -0500, Andrew Wyatt wrote:

>   5.x is ancient and had its own set of flaws over its lifecycle.

1/3 of my servers use C 5.10, 2/3 use C 6.5. I use C 5.10 as my
individual development server and desktop. 

C 5 works well for me.

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Re: [CentOS] latest freeIPA on CentOS

[Jitse Klomp]

2014-07-14 17:57 GMT+02:00 Rainer Duffner :

> CentOS7 has 3.3
>
> I don't know if RedHat will backport it to 6.x like they did previously.
>
> I think we will start with what is in CentOS 7.0 and see how far we get.
> We will even buy RHEL-lics for it.
>
> I certainly don't want to run Fedora in production - and I don't want
> to do the backport for  such a complicated piece of software myself.
>

​RH will *not* do a backport of 3.3 to RHEL 6.x.

Alexander Bokovoy (from Red Hat) on the freeipa-users list (feb. 17):
"RHEL 6.x lacks many of the dependencies required for IPA 3.3. Newer
MIT Kerberos (with API and ABI change for KDC database driver and many
other changes required for trusts and two-factor authentication), newer
Dogtag which relies on several dozens of Java packages and newer tomcat,
systemd (we use socket activation and tmpfiles.d a lot), newer SSSD.
Kerberos ccache stored in the kernel space (KEYRING ccache type)
requires changes at kernel level which are also needed for kerberized
NFSv4 for trusts as AD users have large Kerebros tickets when they are
members of many groups and so on."

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Andrew Wyatt]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Always Learning  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 12:02 -0500, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
>
> >   5.x is ancient and had its own set of flaws over its lifecycle.
>
> 1/3 of my servers use C 5.10, 2/3 use C 6.5. I use C 5.10 as my
> individual development server and desktop.
>
> C 5 works well for me.
>
> Centos 5 Fan :-)
>

Ancient ≠ bad. :)


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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[William Woods]

On Jul 14, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Always Learning  wrote:

> 
> 
> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 12:02 -0500, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
> 
>>  5.x is ancient and had its own set of flaws over its lifecycle.
> 
> 1/3 of my servers use C 5.10, 2/3 use C 6.5. I use C 5.10 as my
> individual development server and desktop. 
> 
> C 5 works well for me.
> 
> Centos 5 Fan :-)

That is probably the most pointless comment you have made yet. Just because
you use something, and you are a fan does not mean anything in the context
of the discussion.

> 
> 
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> 
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Re: [CentOS] latest freeIPA on CentOS

[Les Mikesell]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Jitse Klomp  wrote:
> >
>> I certainly don't want to run Fedora in production - and I don't want
>> to do the backport for  such a complicated piece of software myself.
>>
>
> RH will *not* do a backport of 3.3 to RHEL 6.x.
>
> Alexander Bokovoy (from Red Hat) on the freeipa-users list (feb. 17):
> "RHEL 6.x lacks many of the dependencies required for IPA 3.3. Newer
> MIT Kerberos (with API and ABI change for KDC database driver and many
> other changes required for trusts and two-factor authentication), newer
> Dogtag which relies on several dozens of Java packages and newer tomcat,
> systemd (we use socket activation and tmpfiles.d a lot), newer SSSD.
> Kerberos ccache stored in the kernel space (KEYRING ccache type)
> requires changes at kernel level which are also needed for kerberized
> NFSv4 for trusts as AD users have large Kerebros tickets when they are
> members of many groups and so on."

Isn't that the sort of thing that 'software collections' are intended
to provide?   It would be encouraging to see something actually built
on top of them.

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Les Mikesell]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 2:05 PM, William Woods  wrote:
>
>>
>> 1/3 of my servers use C 5.10, 2/3 use C 6.5. I use C 5.10 as my
>> individual development server and desktop.
>>
>> C 5 works well for me.
>>
>> Centos 5 Fan :-)
>
> That is probably the most pointless comment you have made yet. Just because
> you use something, and you are a fan does not mean anything in the context
> of the discussion.

On the contrary - it means his services start just fine without
systemd, and the best systemd is going to do is start them the same
way - that is, not be an improvement even after someone wastes the
time to rewrite the startup code.

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Re: [CentOS] latest freeIPA on CentOS

[Jitse Klomp]

2014-07-14 21:33 GMT+02:00 Les Mikesell :

> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 2:02 PM, Jitse Klomp  wrote:
> > >
> >> I certainly don't want to run Fedora in production - and I don't want
> >> to do the backport for  such a complicated piece of software myself.
> >>
> >
> > RH will *not* do a backport of 3.3 to RHEL 6.x.
> >
> > Alexander Bokovoy (from Red Hat) on the freeipa-users list (feb. 17):
> > "RHEL 6.x lacks many of the dependencies required for IPA 3.3. Newer
> > MIT Kerberos (with API and ABI change for KDC database driver and many
> > other changes required for trusts and two-factor authentication), newer
> > Dogtag which relies on several dozens of Java packages and newer tomcat,
> > systemd (we use socket activation and tmpfiles.d a lot), newer SSSD.
> > Kerberos ccache stored in the kernel space (KEYRING ccache type)
> > requires changes at kernel level which are also needed for kerberized
> > NFSv4 for trusts as AD users have large Kerebros tickets when they are
> > members of many groups and so on."
>
> Isn't that the sort of thing that 'software collections' are intended
> to provide?   It would be encouraging to see something actually built
> on top of them.


​True, but FreeIPA ≥​ 3.2 depends on systemd. I don't think it's possible
to put that into SCL...

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Re: [CentOS] Changing gdm background

[Fred Smith]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 12:32:41PM -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
> Anyone know how to do $SUBJECT?  I've tried running both gnome-control-
> center and dconf as the gdm user, but neither one had any effect.
> 
> TIA

depends on which Centos you're talking about. If C7, with Gnome 3,
here's one URL a little searching turned up:

http://smashingweb.info/change-the-background-of-gnome-3-gdm-login-screen/
or
http://lukewickstead.wordpress.com/2010/12/12/how-to-change-background-gdm-3-and-grub-2-themes-in-debian-squeeze/

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Always Learning]

On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 14:05 -0500, William Woods wrote:

> On Jul 14, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Always Learning  wrote:

> > C 5 works well for me.
> > 
> > Centos 5 Fan :-)

> That is probably the most pointless comment you have made yet. Just because
> you use something, and you are a fan does not mean anything in the context
> of the discussion.

On the contrary it means a discerning user like me, never adverse to
complaining, is satisfied with the quality product C 5 undoubtedly is.
And satisfied sufficiently to use it instead of C6 and C7.

Elsewhere you subsequently mentioned, after your apparently derogatory
remark about C5 being "ancient" that ancient does not mean bad. I
concur.

Have a nice day.


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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[m . roth]

Always Learning wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 11:19 -0500, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
>
>>  Windows is no more or less secure than anything else out there.
>
That is a false statement.

> Not with so many of Windoze world-wide users getting viruses all the
> time. Centos is inherently more secure than Windoze.

Yup.

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Mauricio Tavares]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Always Learning  wrote:
>
> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 11:19 -0500, Andrew Wyatt wrote:
>
>>  Windows is no more or less secure than anything else out there.
>
> Not with so many of Windoze world-wide users getting viruses all the
> time. Centos is inherently more secure than Windoze.
>
  I would argue that also has to do with the average windows. You
know, the human engineering part of being attacked ("Your computer is
infected! The red blinking light says so! Click here to install our
'sheep-me' program, making sure to run it as an admin user!")

>
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>
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>
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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[John R Pierce]

On 7/14/2014 12:48 PM, Always Learning wrote:
> On the contrary it means a discerning user like me, never adverse to
> complaining, is satisfied with the quality product C 5 undoubtedly is.
> And satisfied sufficiently to use it instead of C6 and C7.

perhaps you should change your username from Always Learning, as it 
appears you've decided to stop as of about 5 years ago.



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Re: [CentOS] latest freeIPA on CentOS

[Johnny Tan]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 3:02 PM, Jitse Klomp  wrote:

> ​RH will *not* do a backport of 3.3 to RHEL 6.x.
>
> Alexander Bokovoy (from Red Hat) on the freeipa-users list (feb. 17):
> "RHEL 6.x lacks many of the dependencies required for IPA 3.3. Newer
> MIT Kerberos (with API and ABI change for KDC database driver and many
> other changes required for trusts and two-factor authentication), newer
> Dogtag which relies on several dozens of Java packages and newer tomcat,
> systemd (we use socket activation and tmpfiles.d a lot), newer SSSD.
> Kerberos ccache stored in the kernel space (KEYRING ccache type)
> requires changes at kernel level which are also needed for kerberized
> NFSv4 for trusts as AD users have large Kerebros tickets when they are
> members of many groups and so on."
>

 Thanks for the info. We'll stick with 6.5 / 3.0 for now and hope the
upgrade path is not strenuous. From first glances, it seems the manual part
is going from 3.1 to something above, with the DogTag change. Hopefully
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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Andrew Wyatt]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Always Learning  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 14:05 -0500, William Woods wrote:
>
> > On Jul 14, 2014, at 2:02 PM, Always Learning  wrote:
>
> > > C 5 works well for me.
> > >
> > > Centos 5 Fan :-)
>
> > That is probably the most pointless comment you have made yet. Just
> because
> > you use something, and you are a fan does not mean anything in the
> context
> > of the discussion.
>
> On the contrary it means a discerning user like me, never adverse to
> complaining, is satisfied with the quality product C 5 undoubtedly is.
> And satisfied sufficiently to use it instead of C6 and C7.
>
> Elsewhere you subsequently mentioned, after your apparently derogatory
> remark about C5 being "ancient" that ancient does not mean bad. I
> concur.
>
> Have a nice day.
>
>
William didn't say that it was ancient, I did.  If you think that "5.x is
ancient and had its own set of flaws over its lifecycle" is "derogatory",
it should come as no surprise to us that you've mixed up who you were
talking too.


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>
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>
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Re: [CentOS] latest freeIPA on CentOS

[Rainer Duffner]

Am 14.07.2014 um 21:02 schrieb Jitse Klomp :

> 2014-07-14 17:57 GMT+02:00 Rainer Duffner :
> 
>> CentOS7 has 3.3
>> 
>> I don't know if RedHat will backport it to 6.x like they did previously.
>> 
>> I think we will start with what is in CentOS 7.0 and see how far we get.
>> We will even buy RHEL-lics for it.
>> 
>> I certainly don't want to run Fedora in production - and I don't want
>> to do the backport for  such a complicated piece of software myself.
>> 
> 
> ​RH will *not* do a backport of 3.3 to RHEL 6.x.


I was pretty certain about it, too - but I don’t read the free-ipa lists 
(already too many subscriptions I can barely glance over…).

So, thanks for bringing it to everyone’s attention ;-)


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Re: [CentOS] Changing gdm background

[Phil Wyett]

On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 12:32 -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
> Anyone know how to do $SUBJECT?  I've tried running both gnome-control-
> center and dconf as the gdm user, but neither one had any effect.
> 
> TIA
> 

Hi,

Best way to-do this and one that is reversible if needed.

- Open terminal.
- Do: 'cd /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme'
- Do: 'sudo cp -f noise-texture.png noise-texture.png.orig'
- Pick a wallpaper that is 'png' and the same resolution as your screen.
- Do: 'sudo cp -f /path_to/my_image.png noise-texture.png'

You may need to experiment with the size of the image to match your
resolution.

To reverse the changes:

- Do: 'cd /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme'
- Do: 'sudo cp -f noise-texture.png.orig noise-texture.png'
- Do: 'sudo rm -f noise-texture.png.orig'

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Re: [CentOS] Changing gdm background

[Phil Wyett]

On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 21:13 +0100, Phil Wyett wrote:
> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 12:32 -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
> > Anyone know how to do $SUBJECT?  I've tried running both gnome-control-
> > center and dconf as the gdm user, but neither one had any effect.
> > 
> > TIA
> > 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Best way to-do this and one that is reversible if needed.
> 
> - Open terminal.
> - Do: 'cd /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme'
> - Do: 'sudo cp -f noise-texture.png noise-texture.png.orig'
> - Pick a wallpaper that is 'png' and the same resolution as your screen.
> - Do: 'sudo cp -f /path_to/my_image.png noise-texture.png'
> 
> You may need to experiment with the size of the image to match your
> resolution.
> 
> To reverse the changes:
> 
> - Do: 'cd /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme'
> - Do: 'sudo cp -f noise-texture.png.orig noise-texture.png'
> - Do: 'sudo rm -f noise-texture.png.orig'
> 
> Regards
> 
> Phil

Side note:

Why I say same resolution as screen is that the noise-texture.png that
is used is smaller than the screen and then tiled. If you wished, you
could create a funky smaller patterned image that will tile to make for
a more consistent background. Hmm... something like a (hint hint) darker
blue CentOS inspired look rather than the grey - god who chose drab
grey. :-(

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[m . roth]

John R Pierce wrote:
> On 7/14/2014 12:48 PM, Always Learning wrote:
>> On the contrary it means a discerning user like me, never adverse to
>> complaining, is satisfied with the quality product C 5 undoubtedly is.
>> And satisfied sufficiently to use it instead of C6 and C7.
>
> perhaps you should change your username from Always Learning, as it
> appears you've decided to stop as of about 5 years ago.
>
a) This is rude.
b) We have several 5.x servers here. For one, we kept one or two home
 directory servers at 5.x due to writing to an NFS mounted home directory
 from a 6.x server could be a literal order of magnitude slower. It took
 us over a year to find that if we added nobarrier to the filesystems
 that it was < 10% slower.
c) We have some production boxes that are 5.10. *YOU* go and tell managers
 that we're going to take down their production boxes and upgrade them,
 or were *you* personally going to assure that their budgets would be
 upped to provide replacement servers that could be built and tested
 prior to replacement (and note that the last set just got upgraded just
 before 6.0 came out in '12?)... and this is part of an agency of the
 US government, and we are *NOT* DOD. Care to talk to your
Congresscritters
 to assure this, if you're a US resident?

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[CentOS] Questoin on iptables

[Jerry Geis]

I am getting this error...

Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
iptables v1.4.7: Couldn't load target
`Spamhaus':/lib64/xtables/libipt_Spamhaus.so: cannot open shared object
file: No such file

yum provides says not found also.
CentOS 6.5 x86_64


Thoughts?
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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[John R Pierce]

On 7/14/2014 1:56 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> c) We have some production boxes that are 5.10.*YOU*  go and tell managers
>   that we're going to take down their production boxes and upgrade them,
>   or were*you*  personally going to assure that their budgets would be
>   upped to provide replacement servers that could be built and tested
>   prior to replacement (and note that the last set just got upgraded just
>   before 6.0 came out in '12?)...

do you have plans to replace/upgrade them prior to the end of 
maintenance updates circa March 2017 ?

btw, 6.0 came out in july 2011




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Re: [CentOS] Questoin on iptables

[Jerry Geis]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 5:07 PM, Reindl Harald 
wrote:

>
>
> Am 14.07.2014 23:00, schrieb Jerry Geis:
> > I am getting this error...
> >
> > Try `iptables -h' or 'iptables --help' for more information.
> > iptables v1.4.7: Couldn't load target
> > `Spamhaus':/lib64/xtables/libipt_Spamhaus.so: cannot open shared object
> > file: No such file
> >
> > yum provides says not found also.
> > CentOS 6.5 x86_64
>
> http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> it's obvious that you wrote a wrong iptables rule
> what do you image could yum find?
>
> post whatever you did or nobody can help you
>
>
>
>
I did not send the exact command I used but it is "yum
provides /lib64/xtables/libipt_Spamhaus.so"
No matches found.

I am using this script to block spam:
#!/bin/bash
IPTABLES=/sbin/iptables
FILE="/tmp/drop.txt"
URL="http://www.spamhaus.org/drop/drop.txt";

$IPTABLES -D INPUT -j Spamhaus
$IPTABLES -D OUTPUT -j Spamhaus
$IPTABLES -D FORWARD -j Spamhaus
$IPTABLES -F Spamhaus
$IPTABLES -X Spamhaus

cd /tmp
wget $URL
$IPTABLES -N Spamhaus

blocks=$(cat $FILE | egrep -v '^;' | awk '{ print $1}')
for ipblock in $blocks
do
$IPTABLES -A Spamhaus -s $ipblock -j DROP
done

blocks=$(cat /etc/silentm/firewall_custom.conf | egrep -v '^;' | awk '{
print $1}')
for ipblock in $blocks
do
$IPTABLES -A Spamhaus -s $ipblock -j DROP
done

$IPTABLES -I INPUT -j Spamhaus
$IPTABLES -I OUTPUT -j Spamhaus
$IPTABLES -I FORWARD -j Spamhaus

This script then outputs that error about the missing .so

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[m . roth]

John R Pierce wrote:
> On 7/14/2014 1:56 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> c) We have some production boxes that are 5.10.*YOU*  go and tell
>> managers  that we're going to take down their production boxes
>> and upgrade them, or were*you*  personally going to assure that
>> their budgets would be upped to provide replacement servers that
>> could be built and tested prior to replacement (and note that the
>>   last set just got upgraded just before 6.0 came out in '12?)...
>
> do you have plans to replace/upgrade them prior to the end of
> maintenance updates circa March 2017 ?

Do I? I'm just a sysadmin. Perhaps you should reread the above... or maybe
you're not familiar with working in a organizational environment.


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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 07/14/2014 02:03 PM, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 7/14/2014 1:56 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
>> c) We have some production boxes that are 5.10.*YOU*  go and tell managers
>>that we're going to take down their production boxes and upgrade them,
>>or were*you*  personally going to assure that their budgets would be
>>upped to provide replacement servers that could be built and tested
>>prior to replacement (and note that the last set just got upgraded 
>> just
>>before 6.0 came out in '12?)...
> do you have plans to replace/upgrade them prior to the end of
> maintenance updates circa March 2017 ?
>
> btw, 6.0 came out in july 2011

This is the US gov he is dealing with. He will end up having to do what 
congress agrees he can do. When you get laws put forth (fortunately 
shouted down) that want to repeal Pi because it is irrational?

Look at Detroit for how governments like to kick problems down the road 
until the mudball is too big to kick anymore.

Look for an emergency funding request in Feb 2017...


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Re: [CentOS] Questoin on iptables

[Alexander Dalloz]

Am 14.07.2014 23:13, schrieb Jerry Geis:

> I did not send the exact command I used but it is "yum
> provides /lib64/xtables/libipt_Spamhaus.so"
> No matches found.
>
> I am using this script to block spam:
> #!/bin/bash
> IPTABLES=/sbin/iptables
> FILE="/tmp/drop.txt"
> URL="http://www.spamhaus.org/drop/drop.txt";
>
> $IPTABLES -D INPUT -j Spamhaus
> $IPTABLES -D OUTPUT -j Spamhaus
> $IPTABLES -D FORWARD -j Spamhaus
> $IPTABLES -F Spamhaus
> $IPTABLES -X Spamhaus
>
> cd /tmp
> wget $URL
> $IPTABLES -N Spamhaus
>
> blocks=$(cat $FILE | egrep -v '^;' | awk '{ print $1}')
> for ipblock in $blocks
> do
>  $IPTABLES -A Spamhaus -s $ipblock -j DROP
> done
>
> blocks=$(cat /etc/silentm/firewall_custom.conf | egrep -v '^;' | awk '{
> print $1}')
> for ipblock in $blocks
> do
>  $IPTABLES -A Spamhaus -s $ipblock -j DROP
> done
>
> $IPTABLES -I INPUT -j Spamhaus
> $IPTABLES -I OUTPUT -j Spamhaus
> $IPTABLES -I FORWARD -j Spamhaus
>
> This script then outputs that error about the missing .so
>
> jerry

It means that your script is not correct[1] and by error tries to load a 
helper module which does not exist. So fix your script.

[1] "cat | grep | awk" constructs are far from being elegant.

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[CentOS] List attitude and content

[Karanbir Singh]

hi folks,

Can we please:
1) keep it civil, be polite - if you have nothing meaningful to
contribute to the thread, then dont contribute anything

2) Keep it on context, this isnt the place to talk about old hardware
stories and personal fluffery like that. This is the CentOS users list,
keep content to whats relevant to the CentOS users.

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Always Learning]

On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 12:59 -0700, John R Pierce wrote:

> On 7/14/2014 12:48 PM, Always Learning wrote:
> > On the contrary it means a discerning user like me, never adverse to
> > complaining, is satisfied with the quality product C 5 undoubtedly is.
> > And satisfied sufficiently to use it instead of C6 and C7.

> perhaps you should change your username from Always Learning, as it 
> appears you've decided to stop as of about 5 years ago.

Optimistically I will continue learning about a wide range of differing
subjects until I die, probably in about 10 years or so.

I continue to learn new things about C5, and the programmes than run on
it, the BSDs, Linux kernel, minor CSS syntaxes. It is fascinating.

Next month I hope to enrol in German and Polish evening classes. I would
have preferred Norwegian (Bokmal) and Dutch (Nederlands) but the local
college don't have them. In November I would like to start a law
degree :-)

I am never complacent and tomorrow I do the first of the compulsory 3
tests for my motorbike licence (theory and hazard perception, despite
riding my bike for the last year as a Learner) - I'm definitely Always
Learning and not ashamed to admit it.

Centos is clearly a refreshing and invigorating breeze compared to
Windoze. Having about 47 years years experience as a computer
programmer, I am naturally reticent about systemd - but then every
clever and thinking person would be too. I've experienced too many
computer problems to trust everything to script kiddies or their
grown-up enthusiastic cousins.

Have a nice evening.



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Re: [CentOS] Changing gdm background

[Phil Wyett]

On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 21:21 +0100, Phil Wyett wrote:
> On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 21:13 +0100, Phil Wyett wrote:
> > On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 12:32 -0500, Ian Pilcher wrote:
> > > Anyone know how to do $SUBJECT?  I've tried running both gnome-control-
> > > center and dconf as the gdm user, but neither one had any effect.
> > > 
> > > TIA
> > > 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Best way to-do this and one that is reversible if needed.
> > 
> > - Open terminal.
> > - Do: 'cd /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme'
> > - Do: 'sudo cp -f noise-texture.png noise-texture.png.orig'
> > - Pick a wallpaper that is 'png' and the same resolution as your screen.
> > - Do: 'sudo cp -f /path_to/my_image.png noise-texture.png'
> > 
> > You may need to experiment with the size of the image to match your
> > resolution.
> > 
> > To reverse the changes:
> > 
> > - Do: 'cd /usr/share/gnome-shell/theme'
> > - Do: 'sudo cp -f noise-texture.png.orig noise-texture.png'
> > - Do: 'sudo rm -f noise-texture.png.orig'
> > 
> > Regards
> > 
> > Phil
> 
> Side note:
> 
> Why I say same resolution as screen is that the noise-texture.png that
> is used is smaller than the screen and then tiled. If you wished, you
> could create a funky smaller patterned image that will tile to make for
> a more consistent background. Hmm... something like a (hint hint) darker
> blue CentOS inspired look rather than the grey - god who chose drab
> grey. :-(
> 
> Regards
> 
> Phil

Ok, I was bored waiting for a database to populate...

As a test for the method in this thread after mentioning CentOS blue.

http://picpaste.com/pics/screenshot.1405375477.png

The image used can be grabbed:

http://picpaste.com/pics/noise-texture-KjhU2rzp.1405375756.png

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Always Learning]

On Mon, 2014-07-14 at 15:10 -0500, Andrew Wyatt wrote:

> William didn't say that it was ancient, I did.  If you think that "5.x is
> ancient and had its own set of flaws over its lifecycle" is "derogatory",
> it should come as no surprise to us that you've mixed up who you were
> talking too.

I was preoccupied studying for my exam tomorrow. No harm done and my
points are valid.



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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[John R Pierce]

On 7/14/2014 2:30 PM, m.r...@5-cent.us wrote:
> Do I? I'm just a sysadmin. Perhaps you should reread the above... or maybe
> you're not familiar with working in a organizational environment.

I work in a corporation, supporting software development for 
manufacturing.  unsupported hardware/software is retired per corporate 
policy.   I actually get a fair amount of grief from using Centos in my 
development environment, production uses RHEL under contract (or AIX or 
Solaris or...)




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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Keith Keller]

On 2014-07-07, Always Learning  wrote:
> Reading about systemd, it seems it is not well liked and reminiscent of
> Microsoft's "put everything into the Windows Registry" (Win 95 onwards).

Has anyone here actually interacted with systemd, and if so could you
perhaps provide a writeup of your experiences?  I feel like I haven't
seen any practical information on systemd in this thread, and I'd like
to have that before forming an initial opinion (at which point I'd
attempt to interact with it myself in order to form a better informed
opinion).

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Re: [CentOS] Questoin on iptables

[Eliezer Croitoru]

On 07/15/2014 12:45 AM, Alexander Dalloz wrote:
> It means that your script is not correct[1] and by error tries to load a
> helper module which does not exist. So fix your script.
>
> [1] "cat | grep | awk" constructs are far from being elegant.
>
> Alexander
I think that these are not too bad..
And you can use xargs instead of a for loop.

If you have another suggestion you can throw the one-liner here.

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Jonathan Billings]

On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 03:52:10PM -0700, Keith Keller wrote:
> On 2014-07-07, Always Learning  wrote:
> > Reading about systemd, it seems it is not well liked and reminiscent of
> > Microsoft's "put everything into the Windows Registry" (Win 95 onwards).
> 
> Has anyone here actually interacted with systemd, and if so could you
> perhaps provide a writeup of your experiences?  I feel like I haven't
> seen any practical information on systemd in this thread, and I'd like
> to have that before forming an initial opinion (at which point I'd
> attempt to interact with it myself in order to form a better informed
> opinion).

I've been using systemd ever since it was introduced in Fedora, and
the RHEL7 beta and CentOS7 final since it came out.  I could tell you
about all the positive and negative experiences I've had.  There's
been a lot of misinformation posted on this list (such as the Windows
Registry reference)[1].  I wouldn't want to make any decisions about
systemd based on what I've seen on this list.

However, I think you should try it out yourself.  I suggest giving it
a try in a VM, or try one of the CentOS7 LiveCDs.  I was quite
hesitant about systemd when I started using it, but it was experience
that led me to be able to make good judgements about it.

1. See the systemd myths web page
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[CentOS] Python Twisted Packages In CentOS 7

[Alex Marz]

I'm currently looking for the package python-twisted-names but seem to be
falling short. A quick yum search and a bit of digging appears to indicate
that there are quite a few less twisted packages for python in 7 then there
is in 6. Is this expected or am I searching in the wrong places?

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Re: [CentOS] List attitude and content

[hemen.me...@gmail.com]

Thank you!



On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Karanbir Singh 
wrote:

> hi folks,
>
> Can we please:
> 1) keep it civil, be polite - if you have nothing meaningful to
> contribute to the thread, then dont contribute anything
>
> 2) Keep it on context, this isnt the place to talk about old hardware
> stories and personal fluffery like that. This is the CentOS users list,
> keep content to whats relevant to the CentOS users.
>
> Regards
>
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Re: [CentOS] List attitude and content

[Nordgren, Bryce L -FS]

+1

> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of hemen.me...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, July 14, 2014 7:10 PM
> To: CentOS mailing list
> Subject: Re: [CentOS] List attitude and content
>
> Thank you!
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 14, 2014 at 6:00 PM, Karanbir Singh 
> wrote:
>
> > hi folks,
> >
> > Can we please:
> > 1) keep it civil, be polite - if you have nothing meaningful to
> > contribute to the thread, then dont contribute anything
> >
> > 2) Keep it on context, this isnt the place to talk about old hardware
> > stories and personal fluffery like that. This is the CentOS users
> > list, keep content to whats relevant to the CentOS users.
> >
> > Regards
> >
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Re: [CentOS] List attitude and content

[Anthony K]

On 15/07/14 11:17, Nordgren, Bryce L -FS wrote:
> +1
And this idea of +n'ing comments is annoying as hell!  Please read and 
move on!

Having to open up a thread just to find +1 is a waste of time for us all!


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Re: [CentOS] List attitude and content

[Marko Vojinovic]

On Tue, 15 Jul 2014 13:44:25 +1000
Anthony K  wrote:
> Having to open up a thread just to find +1 is a waste of time for us
> all!

+1

// Sorry, couldn't resist... ;-) //

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[CentOS] pptp client automatically disconnected after some time

[Benjamin Fernandis]

Hi,

I configured pptp client and it connected successfully. but after sometimes
it automatically got disconnected.


/var/log/messages :

Jul 15 15:29:19 ahc151l pppd[4725]: pppd 2.4.5 started by root, uid 0
Jul 15 15:29:19 ahc151l pppd[4725]: Using interface ppp0
Jul 15 15:29:19 ahc151l pppd[4725]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/pts/2
Jul 15 15:29:19 ahc151l NetworkManager[852]:  (ppp0): new Generic
device (driver: 'unknown' ifindex: 19)
Jul 15 15:29:19 ahc151l NetworkManager[852]:  (ppp0): exported as
/org/freedesktop/NetworkManager/Devices/18
Jul 15 15:29:19 ahc151l pptp[4727]: anon log[main:pptp.c:333]: The
synchronous pptp option is NOT activated
Jul 15 15:29:19 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[ctrlp_rep:pptp_ctrl.c:254]:
Sent control packet type is 1 'Start-Control-Connection-Request'
Jul 15 15:29:19 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[ctrlp_disp:pptp_ctrl.c:754]:
Received Start Control Connection Reply
Jul 15 15:29:19 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[ctrlp_disp:pptp_ctrl.c:788]:
Client connection established.
Jul 15 15:29:20 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[ctrlp_rep:pptp_ctrl.c:254]:
Sent control packet type is 7 'Outgoing-Call-Request'
Jul 15 15:29:20 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[ctrlp_disp:pptp_ctrl.c:873]:
Received Outgoing Call Reply.
Jul 15 15:29:20 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[ctrlp_disp:pptp_ctrl.c:912]:
Outgoing call established (call ID 0, peer's call ID 50663).
Jul 15 15:29:20 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[ctrlp_disp:pptp_ctrl.c:976]:
PPTP_SET_LINK_INFO received from peer_callid 38835
Jul 15 15:29:20 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[ctrlp_disp:pptp_ctrl.c:979]:
send_accm is , recv_accm is 
Jul 15 15:29:20 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon warn[ctrlp_disp:pptp_ctrl.c:982]:
Non-zero Async Control Character Maps are not supported!
Jul 15 15:29:20 ahc151l pppd[4725]: Warning - secret file
/etc/ppp/chap-secrets has world and/or group access
Jul 15 15:29:20 ahc151l pppd[4725]: CHAP authentication succeeded
Jul 15 15:29:20 ahc151l pppd[4725]: MPPE 128-bit stateless compression
enabled
Jul 15 15:29:22 ahc151l pppd[4725]: local  IP address 192.168.9.106
Jul 15 15:29:22 ahc151l pppd[4725]: remote IP address 192.168.9.100



Jul 15 15:30:01 ahc151l systemd: Starting Session 38 of user root.

Jul 15 15:30:01 ahc151l systemd: Started Session 38 of user root.


Jul 15 15:30:19 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[logecho:pptp_ctrl.c:692]: Echo
Request received.
Jul 15 15:30:19 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[ctrlp_rep:pptp_ctrl.c:254]:
Sent control packet type is 6 'Echo-Reply'
Jul 15 15:30:39 ahc151l gnome-session: (gnome-shell:2148): St-CRITICAL **:
st_label_set_text: assertion `text != NULL' failed
Jul 15 15:31:19 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[logecho:pptp_ctrl.c:692]: Echo
Request received.
Jul 15 15:31:19 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[ctrlp_rep:pptp_ctrl.c:254]:
Sent control packet type is 6 'Echo-Reply'
Jul 15 15:32:19 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[logecho:pptp_ctrl.c:692]: Echo
Request received.
Jul 15 15:32:19 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[ctrlp_rep:pptp_ctrl.c:254]:
Sent control packet type is 6 'Echo-Reply'
Jul 15 15:32:19 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[logecho:pptp_ctrl.c:692]: Echo
Reply received.
Jul 15 15:33:19 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[logecho:pptp_ctrl.c:692]: Echo
Reply received.
Jul 15 15:34:19 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[logecho:pptp_ctrl.c:692]: Echo
Reply received.
Jul 15 15:34:24 ahc151l pptp[4727]: anon log[decaps_gre:pptp_gre.c:427]:
buffering packet 311 (expecting 310, lost or reordered)
Jul 15 15:34:38 ahc151l gnome-session: (gnome-shell:2148): St-CRITICAL **:
st_label_set_text: assertion `text != NULL' failed
Jul 15 15:35:19 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[logecho:pptp_ctrl.c:692]: Echo
Reply received.
Jul 15 15:36:19 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[logecho:pptp_ctrl.c:692]: Echo
Reply received.
Jul 15 15:37:19 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[logecho:pptp_ctrl.c:692]: Echo
Reply received.
Jul 15 15:38:20 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[logecho:pptp_ctrl.c:692]: Echo
Reply received.
Jul 15 15:38:20 ahc151l pptp[4736]: anon log[logecho:pptp_ctrl.c:694]: no
more Echo Reply/Request packets will be reported.
Jul 15 15:38:38 ahc151l gnome-session: (gnome-shell:2148): St-CRITICAL **:
st_label_set_text: assertion `text != NULL' failed
Jul 15 15:40:01 ahc151l systemd: Starting Session 39 of user root.
Jul 15 15:40:01 ahc151l systemd: Started Session 39 of user root.
Jul 15 15:42:38 ahc151l gnome-session: (gnome-shell:2148): St-CRITICAL **:
st_label_set_text: assertion `text != NULL' failed
Jul 15 15:44:21 ahc151l gnome-session: (process:5993): GLib-CRITICAL **:
g_slice_set_config: assertion `sys_page_size == 0' failed
Jul 15 15:50:01 ahc151l systemd: Starting Session 40 of user root.
Jul 15 15:50:01 ahc151l systemd: Started Session 40 of user root.
Jul 15 15:50:37 ahc151l gnome-session: NOTE: child process received
`Goodbye', closing down


what could be wrong.? I can see some other gnome-session null failed
messages and sytemd session 40 of user root.

Is there any other issues?

I just installed centos 7 64 bit

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[CentOS] centos updates and kernel patches

[Dilip Basavaraju]

Dear all,

Where can I find the latest kernel patches, is there any repository 
maintained by centos.
Please share me the link of the patch repository and rpm updates.

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Re: [CentOS] Cemtos 7 : Systemd alternatives ?

[Keith Keller]

On 2014-07-15, Jonathan Billings  wrote:
>
> I've been using systemd ever since it was introduced in Fedora, and
> the RHEL7 beta and CentOS7 final since it came out.  I could tell you
> about all the positive and negative experiences I've had.

I think this could be very useful, especially coming from someone who
was initially reluctant (as I and clearly others are).

> There's
> been a lot of misinformation posted on this list (such as the Windows
> Registry reference)[1].  I wouldn't want to make any decisions about
> systemd based on what I've seen on this list.

That's what I was concerned about.  :)  I certainly would try it for
myself first, but if I were to read a lot of people writing "I tried to
actually use systemd, and it was awful/fine/awesome" that would carry
some weight.

> However, I think you should try it out yourself.  I suggest giving it
> a try in a VM, or try one of the CentOS7 LiveCDs.  I was quite
> hesitant about systemd when I started using it, but it was experience
> that led me to be able to make good judgements about it.
>
> 1. See the systemd myths web page
> http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/the-biggest-myths.html 

In the interest of full disclosure, that page is written by one of the
primary authors of systemd, so we shouldn't expect an unbiased opinion.
(Not saying it's wrong, only that it's important to understand the
perspective an author might have.)

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Re: [CentOS] centos updates and kernel patches

[Keith Keller]

On 2014-07-15, Dilip Basavaraju  wrote:
>
> Where can I find the latest kernel patches, is there any 
> repository maintained by centos.

You should just run "yum update" or "yum update kernel*".  The latest
released updates are always there.  If there's a reason that yum doesn't
work for you, you should post that so people can give you a more
appropriate solution.

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Re: [CentOS] centos updates and kernel patches

[Dilip Basavaraju]

Hi,
I am using centos 6.5 minimal version, some of the updates may not be 
relevant for my OS. So I need to verify and decide the patches and accordingly 
need to update my OS.
Please is there any way for this?

Thanks and regards
Dilip Kumar B


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Subject: Re: [CentOS] centos updates and kernel patches

On 2014-07-15, Dilip Basavaraju  wrote:
>
> Where can I find the latest kernel patches, is there any 
> repository maintained by centos.

You should just run "yum update" or "yum update kernel*".  The latest released 
updates are always there.  If there's a reason that yum doesn't work for you, 
you should post that so people can give you a more appropriate solution.

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Re: [CentOS] centos updates and kernel patches

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On 7/14/2014 10:04 PM, Dilip Basavaraju wrote:
>  I am using centos 6.5 minimal version, some of the updates may not 
> be relevant for my OS. So I need to verify and decide the patches and 
> accordingly need to update my OS.
>  Please is there any way for this?

yum update will only update the packages installed on your system, so if 
you've installed certain packages, then its presumed that any 
fixes/updates to those packages are relevant.

the descriptions of what the various updates fix are documented on 
redhat's update bulletins.




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Re: [CentOS] centos updates and kernel patches

[Keith Keller]

On 2014-07-15, Dilip Basavaraju  wrote:
> I am using centos 6.5 minimal version, some of the updates may not be 
> relevant for my OS.

I believe "yum update" updates only currently-installed packages, so
they should all be relevant.

> So I need to verify and decide the patches and accordingly need to update my 
> OS.
> Please is there any way for this?

yum update also prompts you to confirm the install before proceeding.
But as I wrote earlier, "yum update kernel*" will attempt to update just
the kernel packages (and prompt for confirmation before installing).

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