ICL DRS M5 terminal

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

Does anyone have any info on this terminal? I’ve spent hours searching
 
I used to have a manual… I think my wife has put it away someplace 

[cctalk] Re: Typing class in high school

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

I took typing at Tempe High because the future ex-Mrs Firestone was in that
class.

(Ex Mrs. Firestone the 1st)

Most useful class (besides algebra) I took in school...

Re: Update: Rehoming Apple ][+ , BBC B+?? & A410/1 with math co-processor - Liverpool UK

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

My new partner, instead of being actively hostile ("I will rectally insert
the next computer you give him, in you!") is merely bemused.  I'm not sure
I want to put that bemusement to the test of 14 crates though. (:

On 2 September 2017 at 23:39, Rob Jarratt via cctalk 
wrote:

> I don't have any of those machines, but the person says he has *14*
> crates, I simply don't have room. If others were willing to collect
> soon-ish, I *might* be able to temporarily host them, as long as I could
> pick something to keep myself.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Adrian
> > Graham via cctalk
> > Sent: 02 September 2017 20:55
> > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> > Subject: Re: Update: Rehoming Apple ][+ , BBC B+?? & A410/1 with math co-
> > processor - Liverpool UK
> >
> >
> > > On 2 Sep 2017, at 20:21, Dave Wade via cctalk 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Folks
> > > I got this today via my Vintage Computing Meetup groups. If there is
> > > any interest please contact Nick direct Dave
> >
> > Typically I was supposed to be near Liverpool tonight but the customer
> > cancelled the job, grr.
> >
> > Not that I NEED another ][+ and Beeb+ but, you know….
> >
> > A
> >
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Nik Kelly [mailto:nik.ke...@blueyonder.co.uk]
> > > Sent: 02 September 2017 17:33
> > > To: Dave Wade 
> > > Subject: Re: Update: Rehoming Apple ][+ , BBC B+?? & A410/1 with math
> > > co-processor
> > >
> > > Where-ever, Dave !
> > >
> > > Nik
> > >
> > > On 02/09/2017 13:44, Dave Wade wrote:
> > >> Nik,
> > >>  Do you mind if I publish elsewhere? CCTALK mail list? Vintage
> Computing
> > forums?
> > >> Dave
> > >>
> > >>> -Original Message-
> > >>> From: Nik Kelly [mailto:nik.ke...@blueyonder.co.uk]
> > >>> Sent: 02 September 2017 13:16
> > >>> To: dave.g4...@gmail.com; off...@madlab.org.uk
> > >>> Subject: Update: Rehoming Apple ][+ , BBC B+?? & A410/1 with math
> > >>> co- processor
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi !
> > >>>
> > >>> I've now collated those boxes & crates.
> > >>> Approx 5' x 4' x 18" ~~ 30 cu feet ~~ one cubic metre.
> > >>>
> > >>> All free to good home ASAP...
> > >>> I cannot deliver, taker(s) must collect.
> > >>> Would you pass the word around your members ??
> > >>> Nik
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>  Forwarded Message 
> > >>> Subject: Rehoming Apple ][+ , BBC B+?? & A410/1 with math
> > >>> co-processor
> > >>> Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2017 12:02:55 +0100
> > >>> From: Nik Kelly 
> > >>> To: dave.g4...@gmail.com
> > >>>
> > >>> Hi, Dave !
> > >>>
> > >>> Due to forthcoming down-size, I must re-home my three vintage
> > computers.
> > >>>
> > >>> Apple ][+ 48k, floppy drive and accessories from 1979, NOT PRODOS.
> > >>> BBC B+ {+ 64/128 ??} & 5.25" floppy drives, Acorn A410/1 with math
> > >>> co- processor, hard drive & floppy interface.
> > >>>
> > >>> They're in original crates, with sundry manuals, reference books etc.
> > >>> Also *multiple* crates of my disks and tapes etc. Very few games.
> > >>>
> > >>> ** Due care required for old capacitors etc. ** The Apple ][+ and
> > >>> BBC have been packed away, not run since ~1990, the
> > >>> A410/1 since I switched to PCs in ~2001.
> > >>>
> > >>> I used to write for MicroDigital's 'Liverpool Software Gazette'.
> > >>> Remember 'Stargate-- A 3D Planetarium' ? The ApplePips column ??
> > >>>
> > >>> Anyhow, I'm still based in Liverpool. I'd hoped to do some
> > >>> retro-computing but that's now become impracticable.
> > >>>
> > >>> The three have minimal commercial value, so are FREE to good home.
> > >>>
> > >>> There's no rush, their crates are buried in box-room; I'll have to
> > >>> clear access, collate accessories, check other rooms for strays.
> > >>>
> > >>> Would you pass the word around your members ??
> > >>> I cannot deliver, taker(s) must collect.
> > >>>
> > >>> Thank you.
> > >>> Nik
> > >>>
> > >>> ps: Some of my short stories and fun cat piccies may be found at...
> > >>> https://the-nik-files.deviantart.com/
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
>
>


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[cctalk] Turbo 3.0 Command Line Compiler

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

I don't normally beg for help, but I'm going to beg for help, because this
would be really useful if I could get it to work.

This guy:

TURBO PASCAL (mark-ogden.uk)


Has posted .MAC files that supposedly build a command line version of Turbo
Pascal that lacks the editor, which would be really nice as I use RunCPM
and an external editor to work on Turbo Pascal 3 for CP/M

I've tried building and linking this with M80 and L80, and it doesn't seem
to work.

I really don't remember what I'm doing with these tools, which I haven't
used for 30 years.  More probably.  I'm not sure if the author is even
still alive, and I have no contact details for him...as this is a mirror of
an old page.

Anyone got any ideas?  I'll buy you a beer if you meet me someplace in
England.

Thanks,

Mark (aka John)

[cctalk] Re: Turbo 3.0 Command Line Compiler

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

On Wed, 31 May 2023 at 16:27, Jon Elson via cctalk 
wrote:

> \Well, this doesn't directly answer your question, but a few
> years ago I resurrected a pretty complex Turbo Pascal
> program that I used to run on Win 95 and Win 2K.
>
> I used Linux and the Free Pascal Compiler (FPC) and it did
> an amazing job of correctly handling all the Borland
> extensions (uses, unit, interface, $define, etc).
>
> Jon
>
>
Thanks Jon,

I got it fixed, thanks to Mr. Buckle.  I was trying to assemble it under
RunCPM, but for some reason, it didn't like that.  When I did under
z80pack, it worked just fine.

Well, kind of fine.  The guy who did this seems to have patched it to like
running on an Amstrad CPC, so if you use GotoXY it doesn't work.  I just
wrote my own...

Take Care,

Mark


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[cctalk] Re: Don Lancaster has passed away at 83

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

More than anyone else (except maybe Gary Bitter) I owe my lifelong interest
in computers to this man.  How very sad.  What a loss.

[cctalk] Re: Death of Mitnick

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

Yeah, when I was young and foolish I never ... (:

On Thu, 20 Jul 2023 at 03:36, Murray McCullough via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Maybe this note is off topic but I don't think so: The death of Kevin
> Mitnick. His book "Ghost in the Wire" is a classic. Too bad he was a
> criminal!
>
> Murray 🙂
>


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[cctalk] Re: NewtonOS

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

I worked in an Apple repair center when they came out.  Customers were
bringing them in saying, "this doesn't work."

It was working as well as it could, which wasn't very well...  great idea
though!  Ahead of it's technology a bit.

Re: More old stuff incoming

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

On Wed, 19 Dec 2018 at 11:51, Peter Corlett via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
> Realistically, computers made before around 2010 *are* antiques: something
> where the main value is due to its age rather than its utility.
>
>
I worked with "technicians" at HP 10 years ago who couldn't cope with DOS.
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Re: Network cards and Win98SE

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

I just run PUTR under DosBox on a modern PC.  A pain but... easier.

On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 23:41, Charles via cctalk 
wrote:

> I have tried for two days to get wireless networking running on my old PC
> under Win 98SE, so I can use PUTR without a separate partition or boot. XP
> is on an 8.4 GB drive. 98SE is on an older 540 MB drive.
>
> There are two network cards (a Netgear WPN311 with Atheros chipset, and an
> Encore ENWLI-G2 with Realtek 8185 chip) and neither will work with Win98SE.
> I have tried the manufacturer's drivers, Atheros drivers, Realtek
> drivers...
> none of it works. The Realtek driver installs but gives a fault in
> RUNDLL32.
>
> Netgear's website claims that the WPN311 can run under 98SE and later.
> Some
> sources for that driver package say it starts with XP. Although I would
> tend
> to believe the manufacturer...
> The same Netgear card in the same motherboard was working correctly with
> the
> XP drive.
>
> I even did a fresh install of 98SE. Then installed the WPN311 software,
> then
> the card. Windows says the card is installed and working properly.
> But the Netgear utility won't run (hangs, Task Manager showing wlancfg5
> not
> responding). That's usually because it can't see the card.
>
> Searching the net including various forums from years ago hasn't helped.
> So I'm about to give up. Wasted enough hours on this. Back to XP with a
> DOS
> partition for running PUTR.
> Unless someone has a better idea :)
>
> thanks
> Charles
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Apple ][+ Keyboard

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

I feel like I'm falling down a rabbit hole with this old ][ europlus I've
had for years.

The smoke came out of the power supply, so I replaced it with one from
ReactiveMicro.  Now it boots, and was working okay, until this morning.
Now, no keyboard  if you hit ctrl-reset.  All other keys are
ignored.

Anyone have any ideas? (:

Thanks,

John (aka Mark)

Re: Apple ][+ Keyboard

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

Hi Brian,

That's an interesting thread.  It probably is the encoder chip as hitting
Ctrl-Reset works.  Unfortunately Briel Computers doesn't seem to exist
anymore. ):

This seems like a temporary solution.  I need to collect the stuff to build
one:

https://knzl.at/ps2-keyboard-for-apple-ii/

Thanks!

Mark

On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 17:00, Brian Marstella  wrote:

> Just ran across this a few days ago on different search...
>
> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.apple2/kJ4SosdZTb4
>
> May have some helpful info.
>
> On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 11:56 AM John Many Jars via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> I feel like I'm falling down a rabbit hole with this old ][ europlus I've
>> had for years.
>>
>> The smoke came out of the power supply, so I replaced it with one from
>> ReactiveMicro.  Now it boots, and was working okay, until this morning.
>> Now, no keyboard  if you hit ctrl-reset.  All other keys are
>> ignored.
>>
>> Anyone have any ideas? (:
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> John (aka Mark)
>>
>

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Re: Apple ][+ Keyboard

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

That would be great.  I'd really appreciate it.

On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 14:08, Adrian Graham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Hi Mark,
>
> I have a contact in Belgium who has made some PS2 adapter PCBs if you'd
> like me to put you in contact, he was advertising them on Facebook a week
> or so ago.
>
> --
> adrian/witchy
> Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest private home computer
> collection?
> t: @binarydinosaursf: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
> w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk
>
>
> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 13:22, John Many Jars via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi Brian,
> >
> > That's an interesting thread.  It probably is the encoder chip as hitting
> > Ctrl-Reset works.  Unfortunately Briel Computers doesn't seem to exist
> > anymore. ):
> >
> > This seems like a temporary solution.  I need to collect the stuff to
> build
> > one:
> >
> > https://knzl.at/ps2-keyboard-for-apple-ii/
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 17:00, Brian Marstella 
> wrote:
> >
> > > Just ran across this a few days ago on different search...
> > >
> > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.apple2/kJ4SosdZTb4
> > >
> > > May have some helpful info.
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 11:56 AM John Many Jars via cctalk <
> > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> > >
> > >> I feel like I'm falling down a rabbit hole with this old ][ europlus
> > I've
> > >> had for years.
> > >>
> > >> The smoke came out of the power supply, so I replaced it with one from
> > >> ReactiveMicro.  Now it boots, and was working okay, until this
> morning.
> > >> Now, no keyboard  if you hit ctrl-reset.  All other keys are
> > >> ignored.
> > >>
> > >> Anyone have any ideas? (:
> > >>
> > >> Thanks,
> > >>
> > >> John (aka Mark)
> > >>
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems:  "The Future Begins Tomorrow"
> > Visit us at: http://www.yoyodyne-propulsion.net
> >
> > 
> > "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
> > that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -- Jonathan Swift
> >
>


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Re: Apple ][+ Keyboard

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

Weird... now I've pulled it apart (taken the case off and pulled out the
keyboard... and I get many wrong characters instead of no characters...

Hmmm.  I wonder what happens if you take all the screws out of this thing?
I hope it's not like an IBM AT keyboard and 83 tiny springs fly out...

On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 15:01, John Many Jars 
wrote:

> That would be great.  I'd really appreciate it.
>
> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 14:08, Adrian Graham via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> I have a contact in Belgium who has made some PS2 adapter PCBs if you'd
>> like me to put you in contact, he was advertising them on Facebook a week
>> or so ago.
>>
>> --
>> adrian/witchy
>> Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest private home computer
>> collection?
>> t: @binarydinosaursf: facebook.com/binarydinosaurs
>> w: www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 23 May 2019 at 13:22, John Many Jars via cctalk <
>> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>>
>> > Hi Brian,
>> >
>> > That's an interesting thread.  It probably is the encoder chip as
>> hitting
>> > Ctrl-Reset works.  Unfortunately Briel Computers doesn't seem to exist
>> > anymore. ):
>> >
>> > This seems like a temporary solution.  I need to collect the stuff to
>> build
>> > one:
>> >
>> > https://knzl.at/ps2-keyboard-for-apple-ii/
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > Mark
>> >
>> > On Wed, 22 May 2019 at 17:00, Brian Marstella 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Just ran across this a few days ago on different search...
>> > >
>> > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/comp.sys.apple2/kJ4SosdZTb4
>> > >
>> > > May have some helpful info.
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 11:56 AM John Many Jars via cctalk <
>> > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> I feel like I'm falling down a rabbit hole with this old ][ europlus
>> > I've
>> > >> had for years.
>> > >>
>> > >> The smoke came out of the power supply, so I replaced it with one
>> from
>> > >> ReactiveMicro.  Now it boots, and was working okay, until this
>> morning.
>> > >> Now, no keyboard  if you hit ctrl-reset.  All other keys are
>> > >> ignored.
>> > >>
>> > >> Anyone have any ideas? (:
>> > >>
>> > >> Thanks,
>> > >>
>> > >> John (aka Mark)
>> > >>
>> > >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems:  "The Future Begins Tomorrow"
>> > Visit us at: http://www.yoyodyne-propulsion.net
>> >
>> > 
>> > "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
>> > that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -- Jonathan Swift
>> >
>>
>
>
> --
> Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems:  "The Future Begins Tomorrow"
> Visit us at: http://www.yoyodyne-propulsion.net
>
> 
> "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign,
> that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -- Jonathan Swift
>
>

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DecNet / Linux

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

Say, can anyone tell me which version of the kernel was the last one to
work with Decnet?

Does anyone know what the actual issues are?  My friend who does kernel
stuff wants to know.

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Re: I hate the new mail system

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

On 28 February 2017 at 21:23, Rich Alderson via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> OK, it's official.  I rarely criticize mail interfaces, because they're
> usually
> mostly innocuous.  However, today's change makes life a lot more difficult.
>
> In the past, it was simple to direct a reply to an individual instead of
> to the
> list because the originator's address was right there in the From:
> header.  As
> of today, the list address is substituted for that, so that it is
> impossible to
> respond privately...


Users.

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Re: Test message

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

601

On Fri, 13 Sep 2019 at 00:33, Alexandre Souza via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Test failed
> Please call service
>
> Enviado do meu Tele-Movel
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019, 20:30 Mike Ross via cctalk 
> wrote:
>
> > I was banned for ages, I've been told I'm not any more; test post;
> > disregard.
> >
> > Mike
> >
>


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Re: Nuke Redmond!

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

Ha. I was recently in PC World (gross) buying my son a laptop for
University.

They tried to sell him (me) a whole load of crap he didn't need.  They
tried to sell me an Office 365 subscription that he gets for free from the
Uni.  They tried to sell me A/V software you can get free.  They tried to
sell me 1TB of cloud storage he doesn't need.  They tried to sell me
Windows 10 restore media, for FORTY POUNDS.

Amazing.



On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 04:24, Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> A fellow who was putting the air in "Microsoft Tire" (c) is going to
> prison.  Microsoft claims that the air they give free with the tire is
> not free.  You can download the air and install the air and use the
> air, but noone can help you do it or they will spend 15months in
> federal prison and pay 3/4 of a million beans in damages for helping
> you and charging nothing for it but a quarter for the electricity it
> cost to put the air in.
>
>
> https://www.latimes.com/business/technology/la-fi-tn-microsoft-copyright-20180426-story.html?fbclid=IwAR3v6MDIUWtqyUxcupT7YQOaX5a7bzrKZKAZWKQFYkdzbg9xvWhvRVkSuq4
>
> Jeff
>
>

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Re: Nuke Redmond!

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

I'm glad retirement is now only 15 years away... no make that 17, soon to
be 20?


On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 16:13, jwest--- via cctalk 
wrote:

> I'm fairly sure that the (near) future will be OSaaS, and you will be
> paying monthly for your Windows Vi...  er... OS. Not just your office
> productivity and LOB software.
>
>
>

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Re: Nuke Redmond!

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

Heh.  I'm a Microsoft Admin (in addition to doing all the other IT stuff
around here)... and I hate Microsoft too, but somehow I don't want to
convert the entire company to Linux (the most important system here, the
manufacturing system, runs on Linux).

I think that would make my life, not worth living.

On Tue, 8 Oct 2019 at 08:13, Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Unfortunately, I have to use Windoze as most medical software is M$
> centric.  Also, started using VB in about 1991 which allowed me to
> create windows easily rather than using Hypercard on Mac.  As with
> most M$ programs, they decided to replace a perfectly functional VB6
> which allowed one to incoporate assembly code (Hardcore VB was an
> excellent resource for getting as close as one could to hardware in
> windoze) with VB.NET which is a POS.
>
> Stuck with a huge codebase of VB6 programs that I use daily and still
> haven't yet succeeded in getting VB6 programs to run under Wine on my
> Linux machines.  Wine, however does run all of my old 16 and 32 bit
> programs.  Have XP running in VirtualBox and run my old Mac code in
> BasiliskII.  Soon as get VB6 running under Linux, will say goodbye to M$
> crap.
>
> There's a huge number of old machines out there and have systems
> ranging from original XP's to 80486 based laptops which are very nice
> as dedicated machines for data acquisition.  In typical M$ fashion,
> they came out with PenWindoze in 1991 or so, when got my first tablet
> PC, and then totally changed digital ink format when they came out
> with their *new and improved* version in 2000 tablet PC's.  Have a
> number of these old machines and M$ was actually helpfull in
> providing details of their new ink format and wrote some neat drawing
> programs where one can time every stroke and alter the drawing.  Of
> course, when I asked for the initial ink format it appears that they
> "lost" it, likely because it was "too old".  Have lots of drawings
> that I did in early 1990's that I can see as long as the laptops they
> were done on continue to function, but porting it to "new and
> improved" ink format is something I don't have time for.
>
> Planned obsolesence seems to be standard M$ policy as well as the
> assumption that no person in their right mind would use hardware
> that's very ancient, like 10 years old.
>
> >On 10/07/2019 12:26 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
> >>
> >>I hear you--I've been on Linux for day-to-day stuff for quite a few
> >>years, but keep a copy of XP on VirtualBox just in case.
> >>
> >>Some of the older systems that I have legacy peripherals in also require
> >>Windows, but it's all old versions.
> >>
> >>I recently convinced my lovely wife to make the leap to Linux.   She
> >>really likes it.
> >I've been using Linux since 1998 when I started using the EMC
> >program for CNC machines, which ran on a real time version of
> >Linux.  I quickly saw I could do most normal things better on Linux.
> >I now use Win XP and Win 7 for just a FEW programs which are not
> >available on Linux.  One is an old but VERY good electronic CAD
> >package (Protel 99 SE, the 99 kind of gives away the vintage!)
> >and my yearly tax filing program, which now required Win 7.
> >I run these as needed in a virtual machine.  First I used VMware,
> >but later moved to Virtual Box.
> >
> >My family used Linux when here, but they have all moved out now, one
> >daughter has a Dell laptop that I set up with Linux, and my wife
> >uses Linux and they both find it works quite well for them.
> >
> >Jon
>
>
>

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Re: Living Computer Museum

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

His sister now runs his companies and has been dismantling his dreams. She
already wrecked his space launch company.

On Thu, 28 May 2020, 00:29 Ethan O'Toole via cctalk, 
wrote:

> > Indeed. This looks bad. Hopefully they can pull a rabbit out of their hat
> > and figure out how to reopen, but I'm not holding my breath.
> > Mike
>
> That place was funded by Paul Allen right? I would have thought it would
> have been setup to last many years.
>
> - Ethan
>
>
> --
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>
>
>

Re: Exploring early GUIs

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

I have an SGI Indy that some idiot (tm) (okay, it was me) put Linux on.

Anyone have any way to undo my mistake? (:  I'd like to get the thing
running properly again, if it even still powers up.  I imagine the HD is
probably knackered by now anyway.

On Fri, 18 Sep 2020 at 20:30, Ray Jewhurst via cctalk 
wrote:

> Also available on MAME is HP VUE on the 9000/360 and 370 and not a super
> early GUI but quite breathtaking is Irix on the SGI Indy. Directions to set
> up both are all over the web.
>
> Ray
>
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 2:23 PM jacob--- via cctalk 
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 17 Sep 2020, Michael Kerpan via cctalk wrote:
> >
> > > Something in another recent thread about LISP machines got me
> wondering:
> > > how many early graphical systems are well emulated (or emulated at
> all)?
> > I
> > > know that there are more or less functional emulations of Alto, Star,
> and
> > > Lisa out there, but what about the various LISP machines or the early
> > > workstations (Sun 68K, Apollo, etc) Also, assuming that there are
> > emulators
> > > for some of these systems out there, has any software to run on them
> and
> > > been archived?
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> >
> > Mame can emulate the Apollo Domain machines,
> > https://wiki.mamedev.org/index.php/Driver:Apollo
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > --
> > Jacob Dahl Pind | telefisk.org | fidonet 2:230/38.8
> >
> >
>


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BBS for RSTS

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

I'm sure it's been years since I've darkened anyone's door around here.

I still have this idea that someone should write a proper BBS system (and
run it) for RSTS...

...the age old problem is getting data in and out of it to connect it to
the world... or one of the problems anyhow.  Maybe using a telnet
connection to a terminal device and some sort of homebrew message queueing
system to an outside helper.

Hmmm.

Re: Oddball Terminals (Was: Re: VT100's)

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

I miss my old Televideo 910.  I wonder if Steve Albany stole it?

At ASU, when I was a kid pulling DECwriter printers out the bin to check
for printouts in half-duplex, they had something called an Infoton.  It was
uppercase only and had the worst keyboard, ever.  It felt like typing on a
wet sponge.

Old Terminals

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

I've always had a weakness for terminals.

I have a question, are all those RJ-11 style keyboards interchangeable?  I
have an ICL M8 with a bad key... it's only the scroll lock... but still.

There is so little information about these things that I've been able to
find...

Re: Informix for SCO XENIX

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

Would be interesting to see, as I am stuck working with Informix on a daily
basis. (:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 at 13:39, geneb via cctalk 
wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Oct 2020, Sean Ellis via cctalk wrote:
>
> > Just wanted to let you all know that I've found a copy of Informix
> > 3.11 for SCO XENIX on the Lisa 2... anyone interested?
> >
>
> YES! :)
>
> g.
>
> --
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> Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.
>
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
>


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Re: Informix for SCO XENIX

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

We're on version 12.10.  Anyone got experience?  Live in the North of
England?  Want a more relaxing challenge? Under the age of 80 and can fog a
mirror?  Drop me a resume.  (:

On Wed, 14 Oct 2020 at 21:43, Sean Ellis via cctalk 
wrote:

> Thanks Al. For those of you not on LisaList I've uploaded the ZIP to
> OneDrive:
>
> https://1drv.ms/u/s!ApXzHz2ZC305hscHvjo3mOu8loaSxw?e=uOFV9G
>
> The one downside is that while the disks seem to read error-free, it
> needs an activation key which I don't have. I have to wonder if the
> info on OS/2 Museum is of any use here?
> http://www.os2museum.com/wp/tales-from-the-xenix-crypt/
>
> On 10/14/20, Al Kossow via cctalk  wrote:
> > On 10/14/20 8:09 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> >> On 10/13/20 6:53 PM, Sean Ellis via cctalk wrote:
> >>> Just wanted to let you all know that I've found a copy of Informix
> >>> 3.11 for SCO XENIX on the Lisa 2... anyone interested?
> >>>
> >>
> >> please get these to ray arachelian
> >> https://lisalist2.com/index.php/board,1.0.html
> >>
> > https://lisalist2.com/index.php/topic,118.15.html
> >
> >
>


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Re: Informix for SCO XENIX

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2020 at 14:26, Bill Gunshannon via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
> Depends on your definition of experience.  I last used Informix
> on XENIX on the TRS-80 Model 16 in the early 80's.  :-)
> It was quite different from the Univac 1100 running DMS-11 that
> was the main DB there.
>
>
That's more experience than I've got coming in the door... (:

I can kind of do the job in the meantime, after a fashion.  I got out of
programming 20 years ago (as a job) because I'm not so great at it and it's
harder than saying "Did you try turning it off and then on again".
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Apple ][+ ic

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

So, I have an Apple ][+.  It is missing an IC at location a3 on the
motherboard.

I don't know why.  it used to work... I think my mind is going.  I have no
memory or removing it.  Anyway, I need another one.  The board is marked
74166.

Can I put any shift register IC with a similar part no, like this one:

74166PC | FAIRCHILD | IC DIP-16 Shift Register (icompplus.com)


in there, or ?

Thanks,

mark aka john
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Re: OT: Newsreader for Windows

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

I kind of wrote my own.  I sign my BBS up to the usenet groups I want to
read and it treats them like message boards...

Not exactly Windows (more like Linux) but it's what I use ON Windows to
read Usenet.

On Sun, 4 Apr 2021 at 00:23, Maciej W. Rozycki via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021, Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:
>
> > There is probably also the option of using the TUI news readers in / via
> > Windows Services for Linux (?is that the proper name for /today/?).
>
>  I have never used that port myself, but there's PC-Alpine worth
> considering, which I believe uses native Windows networking services and
> also has a classic touch to it.  Compilation instructions are here:
> , or
> check:  or:
>  for
> 64-bit and 32-bit x86 binaries respectively (checksums are published at
> ).
>
>  Naturally it handles both e-mail and news, and you can cross-post if you
> feel like.
>
>  FWIW,
>
>   Maciej
>


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Lisa Source Code

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

I keep finding articles about how The Computer History Museum will (note
tense) release the Apple Lisa OS (office system) source code in 2018.

I can't find any evidence that this actually happened.  As a former Pascal
programmer, it would be fascinating.  Anyone know if this actually happened?

Thanks,

Mark (aka John)

GNO and ORCA Pascal

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

Does  anyone have any experience with GNO (the UnixLike shell for the Apple
2 GS)... particularly accessing GNO from Pascal.

I'm afraid I'm a Turbo Pascal kind of guy... so I don't really get it.
There are some of C libraries and C code and what have you... but I need to
use Pascal (what I am porting was written in Turbo Pascal)... which
compiles and links fine.

There are plenty of units that come with it to access things in GSOS, but
not under GNO because GNO was some sort of replacement for ORCA shell...

Thanks

Mark

Re: GNO and ORCA Pascal

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

0vv0

s. Picked up all the Orca

> languages and have begin playing around with them but am not an expert
> with them by any means. There are others with more knowledge about them
> I'm sure.
>
> I started out (when I was a kid) on the PDP-11 at my dad's work (he was an
anthropologist at ASU and couldn't use a computer at gunpoint)... and then
convinced him to buy an Apple //e.  I could never convince him to buy a GS.

So, I finally found one in England (moved here 21 years ago).  Right now
it's just a ROM 3 base unit with no drives or memory expansion.  I have all
that stuff on order but COVID is making shipping take forever... so for now
I'm playing with KEGS

I have looked at GNO/ME but haven't actually worked with it yet. My
> understanding is where you can use it in place of the Orca shell, it
> isn't a 100% compatible drop in replacement. You can run the Orca tools
> and compilers and such from it without any trouble I believe.
>
> What is it you are trying to do with it? I've been trying to think of
> something that one would do in the language that would be specific to
> the shell itself.
>
> I've managed to get ORCA Pascal to compile and link.. with a litlle help
from Kelvin Sherlock... but I don't want to annoy him too much.

The kernel for GNO provides preemptive multitasking.  My friend and I wrote
a BBS in Turbo Pascal when we were kids... and it was fairly popular in
Phoenix Arizona for a while.

I wrote a new version of it in Ruby that's multithreaded and thus
multiuser... I've never really LIKED Ruby...

I also noticed that there isn't really a BBS program that is specific to
the GS... and certainly not one that is multi user.  So, I'm going to
rewrite my multiuser BBS for it but in Pascal.  This would be quite a bit
easier if I was into C.

I suspect that I'm going to have to write my own unit to talk to the
Kernel.  In theory that shouldn't be too hard, as I have the source to the
compiler and the built in units for talking to the toolbox.

But, I don't believe in reinventing the wheel for things like this...

Take Care,

Mark aka John



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Re: An American perspective on the late great Sir Clive Sinclair, from Fast Company

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

I had a TI 99/4 when I was a kid.  It was my first computer (although I
used my friend's Apple ][ much more).

All I can say is, what a piece of garbage.  It was horrible in every way,
and it overheated if you left it on too long.  SLOWEST BASIC EVER!



On Wed, 29 Sept 2021 at 16:37, Liam Proven via cctalk 
wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Sept 2021 at 22:49, Fred Cisin via cctalk
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think that it is truly tragic about the price gouging.
>
> Strongly agreed.
>
> The TI-99/4A wasn't a great computer, with foolish design compromises,
> but it was driven out of the market by unfair pricing.
>
> The Amiga was a superior machine in almost every way to the Atari ST,
> and should have been a bit more expensive -- I'm sure it was to
> produce. But no, another price war.
>
> And so on.
>
> > A number of people have commented that computers were sold as if the
> > exchange rate was 1:1!
>
> Yup. But that was probably me.  A computer that sold for $1000
> > would be sold in UK for 1000 GBP! (the equivalent of $3000)
>
> Yup. A particular habit of Apple, to be fair, but not unique to them.
> Also, the US cost of living is substantially cheaper -- e.g. gasoline.
>
> Today the average US price is €0.80 per litre.
> EU average is about c€1.40 per litre.
>
> Source:
> https://www.globalpetrolprices.com/USA/gasoline_prices/
> https://www.tolls.eu/fuel-prices
>
> >  How much did the TRS80 sell for in UK?
>
> Which model?
>
> They were pretty rare here -- I don't think I ever saw a single one
> anywhere outside Tandy store display units.
>
>
> https://retrocomputing.stackexchange.com/questions/5791/was-the-trs-80-model-1-ever-actually-sold-new-with-that-name
>
> Model I, 4K Level I: £385.25
> Model I, 16K Level II: £546.25
>
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Re: Overclocked TI Silent 703 at 1200 bauds?

[John Many Jars via cctalk]

Wow. I used to use one of those for BBSing back in the day, and it required 
nulls …

Sent from my iPhone

> On 30 Oct 2021, at 07:36, CuriousMarc via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> It may very well have the double head. It's not dropping any characters at
> 1200. I am surprised. That's 4x the expected speed!
> Here is another sighting of a Silent 703 working at 1200 bauds:
> https://ronsapartment.blogspot.com/2018/06/altair-duino-and-ti-silent-700.ht
> ml
> Says the author in the comments: "My Silent 700 came with a manual. So I
> went by that. I was pleasantly surprised that my Silent 700 had the "high
> speed option"."
> So there was a high-speed option for the Silent 703 apparently?
> Marc
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: James B DiGriz [mailto:jbdig...@dragonsweb.org]
>> Sent: Friday, October 29, 2021 10:01 PM
>> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
>> Cc: CuriousMarc
>> Subject: Re: Overclocked TI Silent 703 at 1200 bauds?
>> 
>>> On Fri, 29 Oct 2021 20:35:50 -0700
>>> CuriousMarc via cctalk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I recently acquired a TI Silent 703 on ePay and just fired up. It
>>> worked right away. But I expected it to work at 300 bauds as
>>> advertised, and to my surprise, it clocked at a the head turning
>>> speed of 1200 bauds! Did they hot-rod it later in its product life?
>>> It says MODEL 703 at the back, part no. 2310503-0010. I did not open
>>> it up yet.  Is this a hardware mod? Is there an internal switch that
>>> can toggle it between 300 and 1200?
>>> 
>>> Marc
>>> 
>> 
>> I'm drawing a blank on that PN. I'm scanning in the 1985 TI Express
>> Catalog right now and it only lists the 2310503-0001. I think there is
>> an int'l version -0003.  Even if the serial port would work at 1200,
>> though, the printhead only does 45 cps. Pic of a supposed -0010 on
>> Worthpoint, but I don't subscribe for details or confirmation.
>> However, it would have to have something like the 2 char thermal
>> printhead in the 780 series to print without buffering at 1200 baud, I
>> would think. Dig some more in daylight.
>> 
>> jbdigriz
>