[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch
> On Apr 7, 2025, at 2:34 PM, Dennis Boone via cctalk > wrote: > >>> Can you post a picture of what you can see? > >> Can't post photos here, > > Tony and I assembled a page of photos, which can be found here: > > https://yagi.h-net.org/philips_p3800_lock/ It looks like a Lips lock, which would make sense for a Dutch computer. paul
[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch
On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 9:05 PM Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > although time consuming, and requiring som moderate machining skill, that > looks like it shouldn't be an extreme problem to make a blank. > I assume that Tony has, or has access to, a precision milling machine. It would take a long time and I am sure to need several blanks as I know I will make a mistake cutting the first key. I am sure this is a standard keyway so blanks must exist somewhere. -tony
[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch
On Mon, Apr 7, 2025 at 6:27 AM Van Snyder via cctalk wrote: > > On Mon, 2025-04-07 at 04:23 +0100, Tony Duell via cctalk wrote: > > use a > > blank to lift the pins so I can 'shim' it from the rear. Push out the > > plug with the follower, remove and measure the lower pins, then cut a > > key. > > If you have a key that fits but doesn't turn, putting in new pins for > that match that key is easier than measuring old ones and making a new > key. True. However the key/blank is a rather odd shape and I have nothing that will fit in the keyway of the lock. IF P3800 machines were generally 'keyed alike' then I'd want to keep the original pins to maintain that feature. -tony
[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!
a friend asked me whether ChatGPT designed and planned DOGE ? The DOGE Cryptocurrency predates the LLM by quite a long time. The LLM stuff is wild, if you haven't tried the AI stuff it's a game changer for sure. I can see it leading to job losses. It know it already has. It's helped me develop software for a board that allows me to read data out of a running Williams Pinball Controller (Pinball machine CPU board from the 90s.) I'm able to SSH in to the Pi side and read any memory addresses while the pinball machine is running. Early on I was trying to get it to write me a converter to go from MIDI file to the Atari Music Composer cartdrige format. While it didn't get it right, the fact that it kind of got close was wild. Could of worked with it some more and it probably would have gotten it right. I watched a friend rapidly make a script to parse a really gnarly web page. I was complaining that I was having difficulty narrowing down the data from all the div tags and he delivers a working (and tiny) script in 3 minutes. Don't underestimate this stuff. It could and show upend our medical system. Odds are with a good data set behind it -- it would beat our doctors and could allow everyone to receive better/more medical analysis. But the AMA probably won't allow it -- to protect their profits. It's easy to feel you are un-replacable but honestly most people are. I remember a pizza chain in Virginia Beach. IT contractor had set up a system using the BBS FrontDoor software that nightly would take the data from the point of sale systems at 6 or 7 stores and send it to central location. He had compiled all the batch files into .COM or .EXE files so they couldn't be modified, and had set passwords and had some kind of back door. Had himself locked in for good gig with this odd setup. Low and behold a friend of mine who had experience with the BBS software, slid in and replaced it all in a flash one night. Could see the other guy connecting trying to use his back door but nada. From that point I always thought "Never get too cocky." -- : Ethan O'Toole
[cctalk] Re: Why I am not worried about AI taking over the world!
At 10:00 AM 4/7/2025, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote: >Don't underestimate this stuff. Thank you for the confirmation. Nay-saying is always easy. I'd rather hear from smart people who can tell me whether or how a tool is useful now, as well as how it might enhance projects in the future. Why couldn't a present or future AI help you translate from one BASIC dialect to another, if that's what you want to do? If you want a tool to do that, how could you help make it possible? How can AI tools help with disassembly? How might they help you search and understand and get answers from all the files in your digital packratting? For the record, my first paying programming job in '81 was translating between dialects of BASIC. - John
[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025, donald donaldwhittemore.com via cctalk wrote: Lishi tools can decode the bitting. Surprised the locksmith did not use them. Just need to identify the keyway style. https://covertinstruments.com/collections/lishi-tools Tony has been unable to find a blank that fits the keyway. If you can't find a blank, then you're not going to be able to find a Lishi.
[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch
Did you look on easykeys.com? They say that if you send pix they might be able to identify the blank. Easykeys.com Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 7, 2025, at 11:34, Dennis Boone via cctalk > wrote: > > >> >>> Can you post a picture of what you can see? > >> Can't post photos here, > > Tony and I assembled a page of photos, which can be found here: > > https://yagi.h-net.org/philips_p3800_lock/ > > Opine away! > > De
[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch
> > Can you post a picture of what you can see? > Can't post photos here, Tony and I assembled a page of photos, which can be found here: https://yagi.h-net.org/philips_p3800_lock/ Opine away! De
[cctalk] Re: Philips P3800 key lock swtch
On Mon, 7 Apr 2025, Dennis Boone via cctalk wrote: > > Can you post a picture of what you can see? > Can't post photos here, Tony and I assembled a page of photos, which can be found here: https://yagi.h-net.org/philips_p3800_lock/ Opine away! although time consuming, and requiring som moderate machining skill, that looks like it shouldn't be an extreme problem to make a blank. I assume that Tony has, or has access to, a precision milling machine. It also looks as though it could even be bent out of flat stock with a miniature bending brake. The rear picture shows that it is not a fully paracentric keyway. (where "ridges" and "valleys" of the milling of the keyway would cross the center line, making it impossible to insert a very thin flat piece of metal) -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
