[cctalk] Re: I need some RSX11M+ TKB help

2024-12-30 Thread Mark Matlock via cctalk
Peter,
   The command file below is from a SYSGEN driver build of DDDRV from my system 
but I think it should work for yours. Note that OU: is defined by the SYSGEN 
process and should be set as a logical to your system disk (DL0:) or perhaps 
more simply just edited to be SY: Also, note that it uses RSXVEC.STB which 
should work  on the pregenned RL02 RSX11M+.

[200,200]DDDRVBLD.CMD
;
; DDDRVBLD.CMD  --  RSX-11M-PLUS loadable DD: driver build command file
;
; Created on 01-NOV-2024 at 14:00:05
;
OU:[1,54]DDDRV/-MM/-HD,SY:[1,34]DDDRV/SH/-SP,OU:[1,54]DDDRV=
SY:[1,24]RSX11M/LB:DDDRV:DDTAB
LB:[3,54]RSXVEC.STB/SS
LB:[1,1]EXELIB/LB
/
STACK=0
PAR=DRVPAR:12:2
/

If for some reason you need to assemble the DDDRV driver below is the SYSGEN 
produced assembly command files.


[200,200]DDDRVASM.CMD
;
; DDDRVASM.CMD  --  RSX-11M-PLUS loadable DD: driver assembly command file
;
; Created on 01-NOV-2024 at 12:56:02
;
OU:[11,24]DDDRV,LS:[11,34]DDDRV/-SP=IN:[1,1]EXEMC/ML,[11,10]RSXMC/PA:1,DDDRV
OU:[11,24]DDTAB,LS:[11,34]DDTAB/-SP=IN:[1,1]EXEMC/ML,[11,10]RSXMC/PA:1,DDTAB

Good Luck,
Mark

> 
>   1. I need some RSX11M+ TKB help (Peter Ekstrom)
> 
> From: Peter Ekstrom 
> Subject: [cctalk] I need some RSX11M+ TKB help
> Date: December 29, 2024 at 6:21:46 PM CST
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 
> Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 
> 
> 
> I have RSX11M+ 4.6 BL87 installed and running on my real PDP 11/23+ and
> have gotten DECnet to work as well. But recently a need to access a TU58
> tape has come up, and turns out the DD driver on disk isn't built against
> the correct RSX11M.STB file. So I need to, I guess, recreate the DDDRV.TSK
> file. I have tried some very simplistic TKB commands but keep getting an
> error saying a required file is missing.
> 
> I don't have the sysgen stuff on this disk... What I have comes from the
> pregenned RL02 image.
> 
> Does anyone know how the TKB command line should look for this? I know, I
> am looking for the easy way out. I have skimmed through some manuals but
> nothing has stood out to me (I'm sure I missed it).
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> - Peter


[cctalk] Re: Multics on Intel, was Re: Print chain for 1403

2024-12-30 Thread Ken Seefried via cctalk
On Tue, Dec 24, 2024 at 10:56 PM jim stephens via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> The kernel is large, but most of the "complication" is straightforward
> within the discipline available in the kernel structure.
>

The majority of LoC in "the Linux kernel" as most people think about it
(i.e. the tarball you download) are device drivers.  Much of the rest is
the machine dependent layer (/arch). Neither change the 'complexity' of
Linux (though they represent their own complexity).  I recall at one point
a decade or so ago those two hierarchies amounted to significantly more
than 75% of the LoC. The actual '/kernel' dir at that time contained
something like 250K LoC (tho that didn't include a lot of things we'd
consider kernel code like various filesystems and networking).

KJ


[cctalk] Re: I need some RSX11M+ TKB help

2024-12-30 Thread Peter Ekstrom via cctalk
Hi Mark,

Thank you so much for this information! Seeing this, I was on the right
track but was missing a few items.
I typed this into a file on the PDP and ran it, but now it turns out I
don't have the RSX11M.OLB file, so I guess I am just going to have to work
on getting the sysgen stuff onto my disk.

Again, thank you very much for the info!

-Peter


On Mon, Dec 30, 2024 at 3:20 PM Mark Matlock  wrote:

> Peter,
>The command file below is from a SYSGEN driver build of DDDRV from my
> system but I think it should work for yours. Note that OU: is defined by
> the SYSGEN process and should be set as a logical to your system disk
> (DL0:) or perhaps more simply just edited to be SY: Also, note that it uses
> RSXVEC.STB which should work  on the pregenned RL02 RSX11M+.
>
> [200,200]DDDRVBLD.CMD
> ;
> ; DDDRVBLD.CMD  --  RSX-11M-PLUS loadable DD: driver build command file
> ;
> ; Created on 01-NOV-2024 at 14:00:05
> ;
> OU:[1,54]DDDRV/-MM/-HD,SY:[1,34]DDDRV/SH/-SP,OU:[1,54]DDDRV=
> SY:[1,24]RSX11M/LB:DDDRV:DDTAB
> LB:[3,54]RSXVEC.STB/SS
> LB:[1,1]EXELIB/LB
> /
> STACK=0
> PAR=DRVPAR:12:2
> /
>
> If for some reason you need to assemble the DDDRV driver below is the
> SYSGEN produced assembly command files.
>
>
> [200,200]DDDRVASM.CMD
> ;
> ; DDDRVASM.CMD  --  RSX-11M-PLUS loadable DD: driver assembly command file
> ;
> ; Created on 01-NOV-2024 at 12:56:02
> ;
>
> OU:[11,24]DDDRV,LS:[11,34]DDDRV/-SP=IN:[1,1]EXEMC/ML,[11,10]RSXMC/PA:1,DDDRV
>
> OU:[11,24]DDTAB,LS:[11,34]DDTAB/-SP=IN:[1,1]EXEMC/ML,[11,10]RSXMC/PA:1,DDTAB
>
> Good Luck,
> Mark
>
>
>   1. I need some RSX11M+ TKB help (Peter Ekstrom)
>
> *From: *Peter Ekstrom 
> *Subject: **[cctalk] I need some RSX11M+ TKB help*
> *Date: *December 29, 2024 at 6:21:46 PM CST
> *To: *"General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> *Reply-To: *"General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
>
> I have RSX11M+ 4.6 BL87 installed and running on my real PDP 11/23+ and
> have gotten DECnet to work as well. But recently a need to access a TU58
> tape has come up, and turns out the DD driver on disk isn't built against
> the correct RSX11M.STB file. So I need to, I guess, recreate the DDDRV.TSK
> file. I have tried some very simplistic TKB commands but keep getting an
> error saying a required file is missing.
>
> I don't have the sysgen stuff on this disk... What I have comes from the
> pregenned RL02 image.
>
> Does anyone know how the TKB command line should look for this? I know, I
> am looking for the easy way out. I have skimmed through some manuals but
> nothing has stood out to me (I'm sure I missed it).
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>
> - Peter
>
>