[cctalk] Re: Disposition of stuff

[KenUnix via cctalk]

Adam,

I agree. Give it a new home. Save computing history because when it's gone
it's gone.

Ken

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 10:02 PM Adam Thornton via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Been thinking about it a little recently, and, no, I definitely don't plan
> to send my stuff to a scrapper.  I have some younger friends with an
> interest in retrocomputing.  They want my stuff when I'm done with it,
> sure.  And if they want _just a little_ of my stuff I'll probably strike a
> deal like, "you can have the SGI Indy if that box of IDE drives goes with
> it, and you aren't allowed to throw it away until you're somewhere I'm not
> going to see it by the side of the road."
>
> Adam
>


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[cctalk] Re: Disposition of stuff

[Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk]

Gentles,
The problem is I have stuff no one wants. Large plotter, dec writer in need of 
repair, Large Alpha server
Suggestions?
Dave

> -Original Message-
> From: KenUnix via cctalk 
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2023 10:14 AM
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts 
> Cc: KenUnix 
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Disposition of stuff
> 
> Adam,
> 
> I agree. Give it a new home. Save computing history because when it's gone 
> it's
> gone.
> 
> Ken
> 
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 10:02 PM Adam Thornton via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> 
> > Been thinking about it a little recently, and, no, I definitely don't
> > plan to send my stuff to a scrapper.  I have some younger friends with
> > an interest in retrocomputing.  They want my stuff when I'm done with
> > it, sure.  And if they want _just a little_ of my stuff I'll probably
> > strike a deal like, "you can have the SGI Indy if that box of IDE
> > drives goes with it, and you aren't allowed to throw it away until
> > you're somewhere I'm not going to see it by the side of the road."
> >
> > Adam
> >
> 
> 
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> End of line
> JOB TERMINATED

[cctalk] Re: Disposition of stuff

[Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk]

Mike,

Well sadly I have no PDP-8 parts. I do have a few bits of Q-BUS PDP-11. 
Probably enough to build a complete 11.

I am also in the UK ….

Dave

 

From: Mike Katz  
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2023 3:53 PM
Cc: 'KenUnix' ; dave.g4...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [cctalk] Re: Disposition of stuff

 

I will gladly give a nice warm loving home to any PDP-8 equipment and parts 
that you have.

 

On Aug 19, 2023 6:16 AM, Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk mailto:cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote:

Gentles, 
The problem is I have stuff no one wants. Large plotter, dec writer in need of 
repair, Large Alpha server 
Suggestions? 
Dave 

> -Original Message- 
> From: KenUnix via cctalk   > 
> Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2023 10:14 AM 
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts   > 
> Cc: KenUnix mailto:ken.unix@gmail.com> > 
> Subject: [cctalk] Re: Disposition of stuff 
> 
> Adam, 
> 
> I agree. Give it a new home. Save computing history because when it's gone 
> it's 
> gone. 
> 
> Ken 
> 
> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 10:02 PM Adam Thornton via cctalk < 
> cctalk@classiccmp.org  > wrote: 
> 
> > Been thinking about it a little recently, and, no, I definitely don't 
> > plan to send my stuff to a scrapper.  I have some younger friends with 
> > an interest in retrocomputing.  They want my stuff when I'm done with 
> > it, sure.  And if they want _just a little_ of my stuff I'll probably 
> > strike a deal like, "you can have the SGI Indy if that box of IDE 
> > drives goes with it, and you aren't allowed to throw it away until 
> > you're somewhere I'm not going to see it by the side of the road." 
> > 
> > Adam 
> > 
> 
> 
> -- 
> End of line 
> JOB TERMINATED 

 

[cctalk] Re: Disposition of stuff

[Peter Coghlan via cctalk]

>
> Gentles,
> The problem is I have stuff no one wants. Large plotter, dec writer in need
> of repair, Large Alpha server
> Suggestions?
> Dave
>

Dave,

I might be able to give a home to a large Alpha server.  I've got a large
heap of faulty Alphas so I would be particularly interested if it is working.
You might be able to twist my arm on the plotter too if it is not completely
enormous.

While not on the same landmass as you, I am at least on the correct side of
the Atlantic :-)

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.

[cctalk] Re: Good Inventory Program for keeping track of my DEC boards, parts, computers, etc?

[The Doctor via cctalk]

--- Original Message ---
On Friday, August 18th, 2023 at 12:35, Paul Koning via cctalk 
 wrote:

> Really? It would be interesting to have evidence supporting that, because if 
> so, they
> could be subjected to pain for violating an explicit order not to do so.

There are some of us elsewhere on the Net (in Fedi, if you're around) who, for 
various
reasons are pushing back against the big G and Bing due to the generally lousy 
state of
search these days, and so dropped their crawlers into robots.txt (per those 
search
engines' documented entries for said file) to tell their crawlers to go away.  
It was
subsequently discovered that their crawlers (Google's for sure, Bing's less so) 
spidered
and indexed new stuff on those sites anyway.  Said new stuff still comes up in 
search
results, just without text summaries.  So, we are now looking into iptables and 
pf rules
for blocking their crawlers.

That's the extent of what I know right now, because my day job hasn't afforded 
me as
much continuous time to devote to the discourse.

The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510]
WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/
Don't be mean. You don't have to be mean.

[cctalk] Re: Good Inventory Program for keeping track of my DEC boards, parts, computers, etc?

[The Doctor via cctalk]

--- Original Message ---
On Friday, August 18th, 2023 at 13:38, Sellam Abraham  
wrote:

> Not to mention that that could well be a criminal act since it would 
> constitute unauthorized
> access of a computer system.

Maybe. Possibly. I'm not a lawyer, I just know what I learned for my day job. 
That
said, 18 USC 1030 can be argued any number of ways. There is the argument that,
if you put a web server online and have it serving a website, and you don't 
make any
particular attempt to protect it (e.g., login page, HTTP basic auth), it's open 
season.
You put it up for people (and software) to browse, so it's perfectly reasonable 
for people
and software to browse it.

> If anyone has actual evidence of this happening now then please show it to 
> me, and I'll take
> the necessary legal steps to bring Larry and Sergey to justice.

There is no law that says that your web crawler has to respect robots.txt. 
Which is
to say, there is no law that says that your web crawler /has/ to comply with a 
given
RFC or standard.

Well outside of my expertise, Cornell has at least one paper that talks about 
the law
as it pertains to search engines: 
https://scholarship.law.cornell.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=2681&context=facpub
Again, I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like it's salient.

Additionally, there's the whole "Google is a multi-billion dollar megacorp" 
angle,
so any kind of court-related pushback is just not going anywhere. Hence,
the development of firewall rules.

The Doctor [412/724/301/703/415/510]
WWW: https://drwho.virtadpt.net/
Don't be mean. You don't have to be mean.

[cctalk] Re: Little Databases

[Sellam Abraham via cctalk]

On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 8:31 PM Gavin Scott via cctalk 
wrote:

> It [SQLite] has billions of installations and on the order of a trillion
> databases in use.
>

Surely you hyperbole.

Sellam

[cctalk] Re: Little Databases

[Glen Slick via cctalk]

On Sat, Aug 19, 2023, 7:33 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Fri, Aug 18, 2023, 8:31 PM Gavin Scott via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> wrote:
>
> > It [SQLite] has billions of installations and on the order of a trillion
> > databases in use.
> >
>
> Surely you hyperbole.
>
> Sellam
>

They are serious, and don't call them Shirley.

>

[cctalk] Re: Little Databases

[Dennis Boone via cctalk]

 > Surely you hyperbole.

Since it's used in Android for various things, and in Firefox and
Chromium for various things, he's not in the least.

De

[cctalk] Re: Little Databases

[Sellam Abraham via cctalk]

On Sat, Aug 19, 2023, 7:49 PM Dennis Boone via cctalk 
wrote:

>  > Surely you hyperbole.
>
> Since it's used in Android for various things, and in Firefox and
> Chromium for various things, he's not in the least.
>

Oh. OK.

Sellam

>

[cctalk] Re: Little Databases

[Gavin Scott via cctalk]

On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 9:34 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk
 wrote:
> Surely you hyperbole.

https://www.sqlite.org/mostdeployed.html

"Since SQLite is used extensively in every smartphone, and there are
more than 4.0 billion (4.0e9) smartphones in active use, each holding
hundreds of SQLite database files, it is seems likely that there are
over one trillion (1e12) SQLite databases in active use."

(Also the current number for estimated smartphones in use is rapidly
approaching 7 billion now.)

"[...]But our best guess is that SQLite is the second mostly widely
deployed software library, after libz."

SQLite really is just an amazing and magical thing.

[cctalk] Re: Little Databases

[Gavin Scott via cctalk]

P.S. This is a nice podcast (with transcript) interview with Richard
Hipp, the SQLite main/original developer:

https://corecursive.com/066-sqlite-with-richard-hipp/

On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 10:56 PM Gavin Scott  wrote:
>
> On Sat, Aug 19, 2023 at 9:34 PM Sellam Abraham via cctalk
>  wrote:
> > Surely you hyperbole.
>
> https://www.sqlite.org/mostdeployed.html
>
> "Since SQLite is used extensively in every smartphone, and there are
> more than 4.0 billion (4.0e9) smartphones in active use, each holding
> hundreds of SQLite database files, it is seems likely that there are
> over one trillion (1e12) SQLite databases in active use."
>
> (Also the current number for estimated smartphones in use is rapidly
> approaching 7 billion now.)
>
> "[...]But our best guess is that SQLite is the second mostly widely
> deployed software library, after libz."
>
> SQLite really is just an amazing and magical thing.