Suggestions for 16 mm movies to digital conversion

[Pete Lancashire via cctalk]

I have a small, 5-20 stack of 16 mm's of movies dealing with computers

The one in front of me is

"Once Upon a Punched Card"

I am looking for a place in the USA with a reasonable price to have them
digitized and I will place them on both my Google drive and a Youtube

So far I have only been able to find places I can not afford.

Suggestions, Ideas, etc ?

-pete

Re: Suggestions for 16 mm movies to digital conversion

[Pete Lancashire via cctalk]

I forgot, once done the physical media will be donated

-pete

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Pete Lancashire 
wrote:

> I have a small, 5-20 stack of 16 mm's of movies dealing with computers
>
> The one in front of me is
>
> "Once Upon a Punched Card"
>
> I am looking for a place in the USA with a reasonable price to have them
> digitized and I will place them on both my Google drive and a Youtube
>
> So far I have only been able to find places I can not afford.
>
> Suggestions, Ideas, etc ?
>
> -pete
>
>
>

Re: Re: Suggestions for 16 mm movies to digital conversion

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

Pete -  2 factors of  course need  to be addressed  cost and  quality
 
when it  comes  to quality  there are   some  transfer machines that save each  
frame  HD as a still then re-assemble as a  video... but the converted still 
frames  yield  some  nice  still photos  for other purposes...  Ed#  
www.smecc.org 
 
 
In a message dated 2/24/2018 12:10:22 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 
 I forgot, once done the physical media will be donated

-pete

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:09 AM, Pete Lancashire 
wrote:

> I have a small, 5-20 stack of 16 mm's of movies dealing with computers
>
> The one in front of me is
>
> "Once Upon a Punched Card"
>
> I am looking for a place in the USA with a reasonable price to have them
> digitized and I will place them on both my Google drive and a Youtube
>
> So far I have only been able to find places I can not afford.
>
> Suggestions, Ideas, etc ?
>
> -pete
>
>
>

Re: Suggestions for 16 mm movies to digital conversion

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

On Sat, 24 Feb 2018, Pete Lancashire via cctalk wrote:

I have a small, 5-20 stack of 16 mm's of movies dealing with computers
The one in front of me is
"Once Upon a Punched Card"
I am looking for a place in the USA with a reasonable price to have them
digitized and I will place them on both my Google drive and a Youtube
So far I have only been able to find places I can not afford.
Suggestions, Ideas, etc ?


Digital telecine

If you don't need high quality, how much does Costco charge for their 
"home movies" conversions?


'Course, if you want the best, you'd have to pay the prices for Monaco 
Labs and Leo Diner Films. 
https://www.cinesite.com/ ?


If you want to make your own digital Telecine hardware, . . . 
In college, instead of the usual aiming a camera at the screen 
(kinescope), I put extension tubes behind the lens on a C-mount video 
camera (an added extension equal to the focal length of the lens will move 
the focus from infinity to twice the focal length at 1:1) and shoved it 
into the projector, in place of the projection lens.  In those days, the 
difference in frame-rate was the biggest problem (16(silent),18(super 
8),24(sound)   V  30/60,35/50); bizarre frame-skipping, frame doubling 
algorithms were developed that don't need to be necessary for MP4.
You would probably want to go into the projector to add a switch to give 
continuity on a wire timed to the film-gate, to single shot the camera 
for digitizing, . . .


This guy was working on doing it with flat-bed scanner??
http://www.truetex.com/telecine.htm

Re: Suggestions for 16 mm movies to digital conversion

[Anders Nelson via cctalk]

Hey Pete,

I can't speak to 16mm film transfer but www.digmypics.com did a fine job
for me on a huge assortment of print photos and VHS tapes.

=]

--
Anders Nelson

+1 (517) 775-6129

www.erogear.com

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Feb 2018, Pete Lancashire via cctalk wrote:
>
>> I have a small, 5-20 stack of 16 mm's of movies dealing with computers
>> The one in front of me is
>> "Once Upon a Punched Card"
>> I am looking for a place in the USA with a reasonable price to have them
>> digitized and I will place them on both my Google drive and a Youtube
>> So far I have only been able to find places I can not afford.
>> Suggestions, Ideas, etc ?
>>
>
> Digital telecine
>
> If you don't need high quality, how much does Costco charge for their
> "home movies" conversions?
>
> 'Course, if you want the best, you'd have to pay the prices for Monaco
> Labs and Leo Diner Films. https://www.cinesite.com/ ?
>
> If you want to make your own digital Telecine hardware, . . . In college,
> instead of the usual aiming a camera at the screen (kinescope), I put
> extension tubes behind the lens on a C-mount video camera (an added
> extension equal to the focal length of the lens will move the focus from
> infinity to twice the focal length at 1:1) and shoved it into the
> projector, in place of the projection lens.  In those days, the difference
> in frame-rate was the biggest problem (16(silent),18(super 8),24(sound)
>  V  30/60,35/50); bizarre frame-skipping, frame doubling algorithms were
> developed that don't need to be necessary for MP4.
> You would probably want to go into the projector to add a switch to give
> continuity on a wire timed to the film-gate, to single shot the camera for
> digitizing, . . .
>
> This guy was working on doing it with flat-bed scanner??
> http://www.truetex.com/telecine.htm
>

Re: Suggestions for 16 mm movies to digital conversion

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

Update:
cinesite.com is no longer Kodak's digitizing service.

Costco seems to want $0.13 per foot.
But I'm not sure whether they do SOUND.

Re: Suggestions for 16 mm movies to digital conversion

[Cory Heisterkamp via cctalk]

On Feb 24, 2018, at 1:09 PM, Pete Lancashire via cctalk wrote:

> I have a small, 5-20 stack of 16 mm's of movies dealing with computers
> 
> The one in front of me is
> 
> "Once Upon a Punched Card"
> 
> I am looking for a place in the USA with a reasonable price to have them
> digitized and I will place them on both my Google drive and a Youtube
> 
> So far I have only been able to find places I can not afford.
> 
> Suggestions, Ideas, etc ?
> 
> -pete


Hey Pete,

Might be worth checking to see if any of your titles have already been 
digitized. I know Once Upon a Punch Card was loaded to YouTube a number of 
years ago (could be worth checking with the uploader to see if they have a high 
quality version available if you'd like a personal copy). Might save having to 
re-invent the wheel.

I like to pick up the occasional 16mm computer film off eBay for my own use, 
but I've also converted a couple to digital using the low tech 'camera aimed at 
screen' method. Actually, it was my iPhone on a tripod running software that 
allowed for frame rate adjustment AND color shifting to take the red out of the 
film and boost the faded hues. -Cory

Re: Re: Suggestions for 16 mm movies to digital conversion

[Ed Sharpe via cctalk]

Cory - works  best  with  a  projector  w/ 5 bladed shutter...
hard to  find at the thrift  store  alas...
 
I have  some Honeywell computer training  films we need to  digitize  someday 
too..
also have a  set of  reels  for Beginning or the  End?  the  first doc-u-drama 
about the Manhattan project that was  dome right after the  war  I  would  like 
  shit  to single  frames.  yea it is out  on DVD and on TCM sometimes but I 
want  sharper stills of a family member that was in it.
 
We also have  some of the old BELL system movies but many of those are  utubed..
 
problem  with the utubed stuff it  is  soft. and lo  res  and lousy If  you 
want still   frames  that look  great.
 
Ed#  www.smecc.org 
 
 
In a message dated 2/24/2018 1:54:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:

 

Hey Pete,

Might be worth checking to see if any of your titles have already been 
digitized. I know Once Upon a Punch Card was loaded to YouTube a number of 
years ago (could be worth checking with the uploader to see if they have a high 
quality version available if you'd like a personal copy). Might save having to 
re-invent the wheel.

I like to pick up the occasional 16mm computer film off eBay for my own use, 
but I've also converted a couple to digital using the low tech 'camera aimed at 
screen' method. Actually, it was my iPhone on a tripod running software that 
allowed for frame rate adjustment AND color shifting to take the red out of the 
film and boost the faded hues. -Cory

Re: Re: Suggestions for 16 mm movies to digital conversion

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

Cory - works  best  with  a  projector  w/ 5 bladed shutter...
hard to  find at the thrift  store  alas...


Almost totally useless for THIS, I have a couple of Army training film 
viewers to get rid of.  A little screen, with a door to open if you want 
to project.  BUT, the unique part: they have no film gate!  The film flows 
continuously, without jerking, and there is a spinning polyhedronal mirror 
instead.  You can run extremely delicate films, or splice with masking 
tape!   Quality is mediocre, but condition is/was? good.

Searching for Sun2 and Sun3 bits and bobs- a long-running project approaches completion!

[Ian via cctalk]

Hi folks,

I recently, on a trip to Oregon, finally got a compatible ECL monitor for my 
Sun 2. It came with a rather nice Sun 3/260, which I’d like to run as well.

So I thought I’d put out a beg here- I’m so close to finishing this.

I need to shake loose a keyboard and mouse for a Sun 2. 

Would anyone be willing to sell me one? I’m not expecting a handout; they would 
be paid for and well loved.

On a related note, I’d love to run the 3/260 as well: What I’d like to do for 
that is hunt down a Sun color framebuffer for it so I can use a more common 
display. (and of course, enjoy the wonders of color).

I’m not sure what the options there are, but I have a nice scan converter so 
just about any compatible color framebuffer will do. I can then totally 
repurpose the monitor I’ve just found for my 2/120.

So, in the words of another immortal list member, “advice hints ”

Thanks in advance,

- I

Re: Searching for Sun2 and Sun3 bits and bobs- a long-running project approaches completion!

[Glen Slick via cctalk]

On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Ian via cctalk  wrote:
>
> I need to shake loose a keyboard and mouse for a Sun 2.

For non-Sun experts, what is that exactly?

I have a keyboard that looks like this one with a 15-pin D-shell
connector which has the title "Sun-2 keyboard" on this page:
http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/X1550.98B

Looking up the number 370-1095 (full number is 370109556799 on my
keyboard) indicates it is a Type-3 keyboard. The optical mouse plugs
into the back of the keyboard with an RJ type plug.

This keyboard/mouse combo plugs into a Sun 4/110. No idea what other
Sun models it may be compatible with.

Re: Searching for Sun2 and Sun3 bits and bobs- a long-running project approaches completion!

[Ian via cctalk]

Glen, thanks for the response.

The keyboard I’m looking for which I need for the 2/120 looks like this: 
https://www.flickr.com/photos/alanc/4013376694/in/photostream

Part #: 540-1006-01

It terminates with a registered jack and not a d-sub. 

Perhaps maybe some late mode Sun2s used the one you pointed at... I have one 
for the Sun3. I’m not sure.

I also know the mouse for the Sun2/120 looks like the one for the 3, but is in 
black and again terminated with a registered jack that connects to the CPU 
directly, and not via the keyboard as on the keyboard you posted.

I’m sure somewhere, some rotten keyboard collector is using the keyboard I need 
with their Dell PC because the keys click with some vaguely unique hysteresis 
curve or something...

Thanks,

- I




Sent from my toaster oven.

> On Feb 24, 2018, at 16:42, Glen Slick via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
>> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Ian via cctalk  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I need to shake loose a keyboard and mouse for a Sun 2.
> 
> For non-Sun experts, what is that exactly?
> 
> I have a keyboard that looks like this one with a 15-pin D-shell
> connector which has the title "Sun-2 keyboard" on this page:
> http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/X1550.98B
> 
> Looking up the number 370-1095 (full number is 370109556799 on my
> keyboard) indicates it is a Type-3 keyboard. The optical mouse plugs
> into the back of the keyboard with an RJ type plug.
> 
> This keyboard/mouse combo plugs into a Sun 4/110. No idea what other
> Sun models it may be compatible with.

Re: Searching for Sun2 and Sun3 bits and bobs- a long-running project approaches completion!

[Frank McConnell via cctalk]

On Feb 24, 2018, at 18:57, Ian wrote:
> 
> Glen, thanks for the response.
> 
> The keyboard I’m looking for which I need for the 2/120 looks like this: 
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/alanc/4013376694/in/photostream

That is a Sun Type 2 keyboard.

> Part #: 540-1006-01
> 
> It terminates with a registered jack and not a d-sub. 
> 
> Perhaps maybe some late mode Sun2s used the one you pointed at... I have one 
> for the Sun3. I’m not sure.
> 
> I also know the mouse for the Sun2/120 looks like the one for the 3, but is 
> in black and again terminated with a registered jack that connects to the CPU 
> directly, and not via the keyboard as on the keyboard you posted.

The Sun 2/120 had the two RJ connectors for keyboard and mouse and the Type 2 
Keyboard and Type 2 Mouse (which you correctly describe) fit them.

I am thinking that there was a passive adapter box that went between the 15-pin 
D connector on later Suns and the two RJ connectors.  Maybe for the Sun 2/50.  
It also allowed one to use the Type 2 keyboard and mouse on the Sun 3/60 (and 
probably other models too).

Type 2 and Type 3 are electrically the same, the big differences are the 
connectors and that the Type 3 keyboard is where the mouse signals are split 
out.

> I’m sure somewhere, some rotten keyboard collector is using the keyboard I 
> need with their Dell PC because the keys click with some vaguely unique 
> hysteresis curve or something…

I remember preferring the Type 2 keyboard to the Type 3 keyboard, and for a 
while using a Type 2 keyboard and mouse with a Sun 3/60 through one of the 
passive adaptor boxes.  I do not recall why I preferred the Type 2 keyboard.

And the keyboard collectors want "decent mechanical switches".



And look at this page, and the 12th picture, for another Type 2 keyboard:



I have to wonder whether that is a sort of thing the keyboard collectors get up 
to.

-Frank McConnell