Re: Micro Fiche Library.
Hi, you surely found it on the web already, but if not: Two years ago I build an own scanning rig and scanned 5+ pages of XXDP listings. The problem of enhancing very bad fiches is also addressed with an expensive "Filter Chain". http://retrocmp.com/projects/scanning-micro-fiches Joerg Am 04.10.2016 um 06:49 schrieb Rod Smallwood: Hi All I have just had a huge DEC Miro Fiche library given to me. It has the portable (weighs a ton) reader with it. On trying it out. I found the results were awful. A good clean of the light path and removal of some disintegrating foam improved things no end. That left two issues: 1.The reader was for x 42 but the fiches are x52. 2.The plastic fiche holder consisting of two sheets of stiff and clear plastic connected together at one end is scratched to hell. I'd like to work to-wards scanning all of the library into a system. Anybody know anything about fiche scanners. Rod
Re: Micro Fiche Library.
On 05/10/2016 09:16, Jörg Hoppe wrote: Hi, you surely found it on the web already, but if not: Two years ago I build an own scanning rig and scanned 5+ pages of XXDP listings. The problem of enhancing very bad fiches is also addressed with an expensive "Filter Chain". http://retrocmp.com/projects/scanning-micro-fiches Joerg Am 04.10.2016 um 06:49 schrieb Rod Smallwood: Hi All I have just had a huge DEC Miro Fiche library given to me. It has the portable (weighs a ton) reader with it. On trying it out. I found the results were awful. A good clean of the light path and removal of some disintegrating foam improved things no end. That left two issues: 1.The reader was for x 42 but the fiches are x52. 2.The plastic fiche holder consisting of two sheets of stiff and clear plastic connected together at one end is scratched to hell. I'd like to work to-wards scanning all of the library into a system. Anybody know anything about fiche scanners. Rod Thanks Joerg Very interesting - My camera is a Nikon D50 and doing that to it would not do it any good! My first stage is to over come the fact that the fiches are 52x and the reader is 42x. Rod -- PDP-8/e PDP-8/f PDP-8/m PDP-8/i Front Panels ex Stock - Order Now
Re: Any updates on the 3b2 emulator?
* On Tue, Oct 04, 2016 at 12:16:30AM -0500, Jerry Kemp wrote: > Hello Seth, > > Its been a few months, and I am wondering if the 3b2 emulator project is > still moving forward, or put on the back burner for now? > > Thanks for any updates, > > Jerry Hi Jerry and the list, Unfortunately, it's been back-burnered for now. The key factor in deciding to postpone work on it is simply a lack of documentation. There was far too much guesswork involved in the emulator. If only I had some kind of description of the architecture -- even a block diagram that included interrupt sources would help -- I think I could have made it further. As it is, it almost half boots. Not bad for pure guesswork and reverse engineering from SVR3 source code, but not good enough to be usable. -Seth -- Seth Morabito s...@loomcom.com
Data on a Platter!
Here's a scan - and special bonus audio tracks - of a brochure and 7" record I found on ebay recently: http://chiclassiccomp.org/docs/index.php?dir=%2Fcomputing/EG%26G "Data on a Platter" from a company called EG&G (anyone heard of them?) describes their vinyl (as in analog audio record) data storage scheme and how it will fit into your business. There's no date anywhere but the brochure is a great example of 60s typefaces, not to mention language. The recording includes examples of how the data sounds if played on a regular phonograph. Who's up for decoding it? -j
RE: Data on a Platter!
> The 'E' in "EG&G" is for Harold Eugene "Doc" Edgerton, who is famous > for his pioneering work in strobe photography. He was quite a legend > as a professor at MIT. I went to school with his grandson Eric, and his son Bob was my High School Physics teacher. Needless to say, we did *A LOT* of stroboscope experiments! I believe Bob went on to work for Stan Ovshinsky at Energy Conversion Devices (creator of NiMH batteries among other cool things.)
Re: Data on a Platter!
On 10/6/16 11:14 PM, Jason T wrote: > I was also going to ask if anyone knew of any other examples of > phonograph records used to store data. Inner City Unit's "Spectrum Program" is mentioned on the Wikipedia page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZX_Spectrum_software I actually played it once on my radio show.
Re: Data on a Platter!
On 10/6/16 11:14 PM, Jason T wrote: > It was > either Kilobaud of Interface Age that had them. Interface Age I have a couple that I just ran across again that I need to digitize There was just a discussion about these on the MAME developers list.
Re: Data on a Platter!
On 10/07/2016 01:01 AM, Glen Slick wrote: On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 10:32 PM, Jason T wrote: Here's a scan - and special bonus audio tracks - of a brochure and 7" record I found on ebay recently: http://chiclassiccomp.org/docs/index.php?dir=%2Fcomputing/EG%26G "Data on a Platter" from a company called EG&G (anyone heard of them?) describes their vinyl (as in analog audio record) data storage scheme and how it will fit into your business. Groovy. "EG&G (anyone heard of them?)" The 'E' in "EG&G" is for Harold Eugene "Doc" Edgerton, who is famous for his pioneering work in strobe photography. He was quite a legend as a professor at MIT. Yup, I got a tour of MIT, and at one point the guide left me and my parents in a room. The walls were lined with glass-front cabinets, filled with hunting rifles. I was baffled for a bit, and then realized "WOW, this is Harold Edgerton's lab!!!" EG&G is Edgerton, Germeshausen and Grier, Inc. I don't know much about the other two guys. Jon
Re: TI memory board
oops, they aren't Intel On 10/7/16 10:30 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > wonder why all the interest. > gold bugs, or do people realize there are i1103s on there? > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/262652558004 >
TI memory board
wonder why all the interest. gold bugs, or do people realize there are i1103s on there? http://www.ebay.com/itm/262652558004
Re: TI memory board
2016-10-07 19:31 GMT+02:00 Al Kossow : > oops, they aren't Intel > They are MIL. Micro Systems International: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/microsystems_international If someone are into repairing HP98x0A machines this would be a life time supply of spare chips provided they are good. /Mattis > > On 10/7/16 10:30 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > > wonder why all the interest. > > gold bugs, or do people realize there are i1103s on there? > > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/262652558004 > > > >
Re: TI memory board
Guess I should look memory boards are inside my TI 960 and 980 The 990 used dual-wide verisons of that board form factor and used 4K and higher DRAMs > They are MIL. Micro Systems International: > https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/microsystems_international > > If someone are into repairing HP98x0A machines this would be a life time > supply of spare chips provided they are good. >
Re: TI memory board
On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > Guess I should look memory boards are inside my TI 960 and 980 > The 990 used dual-wide verisons of that board form factor and used 4K and > higher DRAMs I have some of those TI memory boards loose (and one machine, a 960A, for which I'm (still) missing the key - http://marc.info/?l=classiccmp&m=104965575922594&w=2). I keep meaning to get a key to test it but the last one I spotted on eBay closed a day or so before I found it. -ethan
Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
ouch! this is about 2x what I thought they would go for On 10/1/16 7:19 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/291894250804 >
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On 10/07/2016 03:12 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > ouch! > > this is about 2x what I thought they would go for > > On 10/1/16 7:19 AM, Al Kossow wrote: >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291894250804 That simply defies logic. I *really* don't get this collecting business. --Chuck
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
I don't think a flipper would have paid that much. Complete machines have sold for just over 15K within recent memory. A deep pockets collector must have a machine with all the right serial numbers that was just missing drives. sigh.. getting like the high-end car collecting market, where people pay $1K for an NOS Ford part for their Cobra you could get at a dealer for $10 in the 60's. On 10/7/16 3:21 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > On 10/07/2016 03:12 PM, Al Kossow wrote: >> ouch! >> >> this is about 2x what I thought they would go for >> >> On 10/1/16 7:19 AM, Al Kossow wrote: >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291894250804 > > > That simply defies logic. I *really* don't get this collecting business. > > --Chuck > >
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
Remember that there are folks out there with millions or more (often made in a computer-related field), for whom $20,000 is the same as $20.00 for most of us... m - Original Message - From: "Al Kossow" To: Sent: Friday, October 07, 2016 6:38 PM Subject: Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!] >I don't think a flipper would have paid that much. > Complete machines have sold for just over 15K within recent memory. > A deep pockets collector must have a machine with all the right > serial numbers that was just missing drives. > > sigh.. getting like the high-end car collecting market, where people > pay $1K for an NOS Ford part for their Cobra you could get at > a dealer for $10 in the 60's. > > On 10/7/16 3:21 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> On 10/07/2016 03:12 PM, Al Kossow wrote: >>> ouch! >>> >>> this is about 2x what I thought they would go for >>> >>> On 10/1/16 7:19 AM, Al Kossow wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/291894250804 >> >> >> That simply defies logic. I *really* don't get this collecting business. >> >> --Chuck >> >> >
'Revolutionary Force' Bombs IBM Offices
'Revolutionary Force' Bombs IBM Offices Computer Word, March 18, 1970.. http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread.cfm?id=654 Does anyone have a stash of these old Computer World's? I have found very few online. I assume there is a complete set somewhere...? Bill
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On 10/7/2016 5:21 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 10/07/2016 03:12 PM, Al Kossow wrote: ouch! this is about 2x what I thought they would go for On 10/1/16 7:19 AM, Al Kossow wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/291894250804 That simply defies logic. I *really* don't get this collecting business. --Chuck I agree -- how astonishingly retarded that they sold for that much. But boy, wouldn't I like to be that ever-so-lucky seller! - J.
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On 10/7/16 4:32 PM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: > > > how astonishingly retarded that they sold for that much. nah.. maybe Alan in Soquel will list the ones he's been hoarding.
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On 10/07/2016 04:41 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > On 10/7/16 4:32 PM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: >> >> >> how astonishingly retarded that they sold for that much. > > nah.. maybe Alan in Soquel will list the ones he's been hoarding. In non-computer-related sales that initially commanded an outrageous price, I've seen the prices of subsequent sales decline precipitously. So Alan may not be in such a deliriously happy place. Sort of like a stamp collector selling a specimen thought to be the only one in existence and then discovering that there were 10 more out there. In particular, I have to wonder how much of this stuff is buried in overseas e-waste piles. --Chuck
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > In particular, I have to wonder how much of this stuff is buried in > overseas e-waste piles. I have one single Twiggy diskette, Apple branded. Maybe I can get a dinner or two out of it...
Re: 'Revolutionary Force' Bombs IBM Offices
On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 6:28 PM, william degnan wrote: > Does anyone have a stash of these old Computer World's? I have found very > few online. I assume there is a complete set somewhere...? There are many online via Google Books, though not the issue you have there: https://books.google.com/books/about/Computerworld.html?id=ph6vc1JYSAIC
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On Fri, 7 Oct 2016, Al Kossow wrote: sigh.. getting like the high-end car collecting market, where people pay $1K for an NOS Ford part for their Cobra you could get at a dealer for $10 in the 60's. But, how do I get to the 60's? John Titor never answered my open offer. I accept that their values are different than mine, . . . I don't mind aftermarket, remakes, or copies, if the quality is adequate. If I had a 65 Mustang, missing the ashtray, the only reason that I would pay anything significant for NOS replacement would be if I had immediate plans to sell it to somebody for whom that stuff matters. Yes, I can see the differences between the original headlight assembly on the Honda, and the Chinese imitation replacement. But, I don't care. For a long time, I wanted a Twiggy drive, since I had some of MOST other types of drives. Now, I'm not into floppy disk formats like I used to be. Anybody need a 3" drive? (I'll start with ones that are in reach; I don't know when I will find the 3.25" or Amlyn drives)
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On Fri, 7 Oct 2016, Mike Stein wrote: Remember that there are folks out there with millions or more (often made in a computer-related field), for whom $20,000 is the same as $20.00 for most of us... Decades ago, I didn't buy some at $30 each, waiting for the price to come down.
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
but if you were a hardcore mustang collector you would not sleep until you had every part that went with it... Ed# In a message dated 10/7/2016 5:07:12 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, ci...@xenosoft.com writes: If I had a 65 Mustang, missing the ashtray, the only reason that I would pay anything significant for NOS replacement would be if I had immediate plans to sell it to somebody for whom that stuff matters. Yes, I can see the differences between the original headlight assembly on the Honda, and the Chinese imitation replacement. But, I don't care.
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
> On 10/7/2016 5:21 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > That simply defies logic. I *really* don't get this collecting business. It's Apple-related. Some Apple devotees seem to have an, ah, excessive attachment to things Apple. (Q.v. $1M Apple I's.) I'm suprised that some of them didn't commit suttee when Steve died. Noel
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On Fri, 7 Oct 2016, couryho...@aol.com wrote: but if you were a hardcore mustang collector you would not sleep until you had every part that went with it... Having been around when they came out, and still around when I did not buy non-running rolling rebuildables for a few hundred dollars, I'm not likely to ever become that hardcore Mustang collector! I will sell my Leicas to the hardcore! (So that they won't get dumpstered after I die, like CHead's did!)
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
This guy was spot on about if his Lisa1 had Twiggys http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/sys/5797104896.html Kevin On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 5:18 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > On Fri, 7 Oct 2016, couryho...@aol.com wrote: > >> but if you were a hardcore mustang collector you would not sleep >> until you had every part that went with it... >> > > Having been around when they came out, and still around when I did not buy > non-running rolling rebuildables for a few hundred dollars, I'm not likely > to ever become that hardcore Mustang collector! > > I will sell my Leicas to the hardcore! (So that they won't get > dumpstered after I die, like CHead's did!) > > >
Re: 'Revolutionary Force' Bombs IBM Offices
On Oct 7, 2016 8:03 PM, "Jason T" wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 7, 2016 at 6:28 PM, william degnan wrote: > > Does anyone have a stash of these old Computer World's? I have found very > > few online. I assume there is a complete set somewhere...? > > There are many online via Google Books, though not the issue you have there: > > https://books.google.com/books/about/Computerworld.html?id=ph6vc1JYSAIC This is what I found too, not a lot 60's stuff. I have precious few. I would love a complete electronic archive of computerworld. Great resource for minicomputing news and ads, classifieds of off lease 1401s, univac systems, etc.
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On 10/07/2016 05:17 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > It's Apple-related. Some Apple devotees seem to have an, ah, > excessive attachment to things Apple. (Q.v. $1M Apple I's.) I'm > suprised that some of them didn't commit suttee when Steve died. Well, as we all know, Apple invented the personal computer--and probably the microprocessor... --Chuck
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
Leicas dumpstered? OMG !? oh the humanity!!! In a message dated 10/7/2016 5:18:44 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, ci...@xenosoft.com writes: On Fri, 7 Oct 2016, couryho...@aol.com wrote: > but if you were a hardcore mustang collector you would not sleep > until you had every part that went with it... Having been around when they came out, and still around when I did not buy non-running rolling rebuildables for a few hundred dollars, I'm not likely to ever become that hardcore Mustang collector! I will sell my Leicas to the hardcore! (So that they won't get dumpstered after I die, like CHead's did!)
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On 10/7/2016 7:38 PM, Kevin Griffin wrote: This guy was spot on about if his Lisa1 had Twiggys http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/sys/5797104896.html Kevin How does this SF guy so confidently know --> $30k plus?Is there a place where these Lisas regularly sell for that? - J.
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
Not sure...I just was saying he wasn't that far off what people will pay based on the eBay action of he twiggys at 20.6k. Drives that are unverified at that. On Friday, October 7, 2016, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: > > > On 10/7/2016 7:38 PM, Kevin Griffin wrote: > >> This guy was spot on about if his Lisa1 had Twiggys >> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/scz/sys/5797104896.html >> >> Kevin >> > > > How does this SF guy so confidently know --> $30k plus?Is there a > place where these Lisas regularly sell for that? > > - J. >
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
I'd like to see a dig like they did for the Atari ET carts where the Lisas are buried. Although, I think they were all Lisa 2s? Sent from my Samsung device Original message From: Chuck Guzis Date: 2016-10-07 4:58 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Subject: Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!] On 10/07/2016 04:41 PM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > On 10/7/16 4:32 PM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote: >> >> >> how astonishingly retarded that they sold for that much. > > nah.. maybe Alan in Soquel will list the ones he's been hoarding. In non-computer-related sales that initially commanded an outrageous price, I've seen the prices of subsequent sales decline precipitously. So Alan may not be in such a deliriously happy place. Sort of like a stamp collector selling a specimen thought to be the only one in existence and then discovering that there were 10 more out there. In particular, I have to wonder how much of this stuff is buried in overseas e-waste piles. --Chuck
Re: ka... ching!
On 10/1/2016 5:52 PM, Santo Nucifora wrote: For those who are bidding on the twiggy drives, you can have a Lisa 1 faceplate here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/62204758 and a matching Lisa 1 mouse here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/172360487433 These are a little on the expensive side too :) re: www.ebay.com/itm/172360487433 I have a Lisa 1 mouse here in better shape, and far lower serial #008439. That ebay seller is asking a mere $3000 plus -- let's not forget -- $9 shipping (greedy f**k!). So if I list mine at $2000 with *** FREE *** shipping, is that a good deal for someone? lol - J.
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On 10/07/2016 05:12 PM, Al Kossow wrote: ouch! this is about 2x what I thought they would go for On 10/1/16 7:19 AM, Al Kossow wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/291894250804 Groan! I've been collecting the WRONG stuff! Jon
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On Fri, 7 Oct 2016, couryho...@aol.com wrote: Leicas dumpstered? OMG !? oh the humanity!!! Indeed! M2 AND M3, with marvelous lenses. CHead had promised me the Summicrons, which I have always dreamed of having. I found 2 cases that the dumpsterers missed, containing a mint 2-1/4x3-1/4 Graflex and lenses, and a Visoflex Tele-Elmarit with serious cosmetic damage due to the foam deteriorating. When it became clear that the rest were gone, I did a quick sale of the Tele-Elmarit for $1000, kept a 47mm Super-Angulon (almost fills 4x5!), and gave the Graflex with the rest of its lenses to another of CHead's friends who wanted to learn what HE considered "large format". I'm currently playing with swings and tilts with the Super Angulon on a Hama/Kenlock/Spiratone bellows as a miniature technical camera.
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On Fri, 7 Oct 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: Well, as we all know, Apple invented the personal computer--and probably the microprocessor... I hear that there is "prior art" for transistors!
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
> From: Fred Cisin > I found 2 cases that the dumpsterers missed ... I did a quick sale of > the Tele-Elmarit for $1000 Did you tell the dumpsterers that they'd thrown out stuff worth thousands of dollars? (I would have made to sure to let them know that, with great spite.) And if so, what did they say? Noel
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On Fri, 7 Oct 2016, Noel Chiappa wrote: Did you tell the dumpsterers that they'd thrown out stuff worth thousands of dollars? (I would have made to sure to let them know that, with great spite.) And if so, what did they say? "So? Boss said throw out everything in the closets. We don't open those suitcases. We'd get fired if we did." To be fair, there WAS enough useless stuff, such as a few PBM-1000s, carousel trays, Pradovit slide projector, dollar store purchases, etc., to fill the dumpster. I hope that CHead haunts them to the max.
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
90 mm f 2 summacron was a great lens! wish I had one back for our M2. In a message dated 10/7/2016 7:15:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, ci...@xenosoft.com writes: On Fri, 7 Oct 2016, couryho...@aol.com wrote: > Leicas dumpstered?OMG !? > oh the humanity!!! Indeed! M2 AND M3, with marvelous lenses. CHead had promised me the Summicrons, which I have always dreamed of having. I found 2 cases that the dumpsterers missed, containing a mint 2-1/4x3-1/4 Graflex and lenses, and a Visoflex Tele-Elmarit with serious cosmetic damage due to the foam deteriorating. When it became clear that the rest were gone, I did a quick sale of the Tele-Elmarit for $1000, kept a 47mm Super-Angulon (almost fills 4x5!), and gave the Graflex with the rest of its lenses to another of CHead's friends who wanted to learn what HE considered "large format". I'm currently playing with swings and tilts with the Super Angulon on a Hama/Kenlock/Spiratone bellows as a miniature technical camera.
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
On 2016-Oct-07, at 5:17 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: >> On 10/7/2016 5:21 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > >> That simply defies logic. I *really* don't get this collecting business. > > It's Apple-related. Some Apple devotees seem to have an, ah, excessive > attachment to things Apple. (Q.v. $1M Apple I's.) I'm suprised that some of > them didn't commit suttee when Steve died. I agree this valuation is primarily "Apple"-driven rather than say "vintage-computer" driven, but here's an interesting non-Apple sale, just completed: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cromemco-Dazzler-JP-1-Joysticks-D-7A-S-100-Card-Docs-Games-for-MITS-Altair-IMSAI-/29151989
Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!]
Original message From: Brent Hilpert Date: 2016-10-07 8:46 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Subject: Re: Twiggys [was: Re: ka... ching!] On 2016-Oct-07, at 5:17 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: >> On 10/7/2016 5:21 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > >> That simply defies logic. I *really* don't get this collecting business. > > It's Apple-related. Some Apple devotees seem to have an, ah, excessive > attachment to things Apple. (Q.v. $1M Apple I's.) I'm suprised that some of > them didn't commit suttee when Steve died. I agree this valuation is primarily "Apple"-driven rather than say "vintage-computer" driven, but here's an interesting non-Apple sale, just completed: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cromemco-Dazzler-JP-1-Joysticks-D-7A-S-100-Card-Docs-Games-for-MITS-Altair->IMSAI-/29151989 And yet the untouched original Mark-8 boards I bought only went for $1500. I don't get it.
