Re: ka... ching!

[Al Kossow]

On 10/1/16 11:49 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote:

> BTW, the "ching" aspect does not have much spell for me.

The sound of a mechanical cash register, like at the start of
Pink Floyd's "Money"

Datapoint

[Noel Chiappa]

So I just bought, and have been avidly reading:

Lamont Wood, "Datapoint: The Lost Story of the Texans Who Invented the
Personal Computer Revolution"

and I was wondering what other people thought of it.

(For those who aren't familiar with it, his thesis is in the sub-title. He
reckons the first Datapoint machine, the 2200 - announced 1970, shipped 1971 -
was the first personal computer, and a direct ancestor of all the PC's out
there today. The Intel 8008 - base of the later 8080 and 8086 - was not
actually related to the 4004, but instead was done persuant to a contract with
Datapoint to provide a CPU for the 2200, to replace its inital CPU, which was
built out of discrete chips.)

It seems to be a reasonably scholarly work - he did a lot of interviewing of
the principals, has made extensive use of archives of contempory written
material, and it has some source footnotes (although not as many as would be
optimal).

So I think he might have a good case

Any collectors of early Datapoint machines out there on the list? If his
thesis is correct (and I think it is) these are very historic machines - up
there with Altairs, etc.

Noel

Re: ka... ching!

[Tomasz Rola]

On Sun, Oct 02, 2016 at 06:35:15AM -0700, Al Kossow wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/1/16 11:49 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
> 
> > BTW, the "ching" aspect does not have much spell for me.
> 
> The sound of a mechanical cash register, like at the start of
> Pink Floyd's "Money"

The sound of uniform metal pieces pouncing against uniform metal
pieces, imagined in the head of a beholder while Sally Bowles
(a.k.a. Liza Minnelli) twists her bunnies. Yeah I receive the message.

So is it possible that guys paying extravagant sums for S360 and
Cray-1 believe they will find a sleeping beauty in one of them metal
boxes, it they buy enough of them?

-- 
Regards,
Tomasz Rola

--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature.  **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home**
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened...  **
** **
** Tomasz Rola  mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **

Re: Datapoint

[Mattis Lind]

2016-10-02 16:04 GMT+02:00 Noel Chiappa :

> So I just bought, and have been avidly reading:
>
> Lamont Wood, "Datapoint: The Lost Story of the Texans Who Invented the
> Personal Computer Revolution"
>
> and I was wondering what other people thought of it.
>
> (For those who aren't familiar with it, his thesis is in the sub-title. He
> reckons the first Datapoint machine, the 2200 - announced 1970, shipped
> 1971 -
> was the first personal computer, and a direct ancestor of all the PC's out
> there today. The Intel 8008 - base of the later 8080 and 8086 - was not
> actually related to the 4004, but instead was done persuant to a contract
> with
> Datapoint to provide a CPU for the 2200, to replace its inital CPU, which
> was
> built out of discrete chips.)
>
> It seems to be a reasonably scholarly work - he did a lot of interviewing
> of
> the principals, has made extensive use of archives of contempory written
> material, and it has some source footnotes (although not as many as would
> be
> optimal).
>
> So I think he might have a good case
>
> Any collectors of early Datapoint machines out there on the list? If his
> thesis is correct (and I think it is) these are very historic machines - up
> there with Altairs, etc.
>

I think that Incoterm is worth mentioning in the same context as the
Datapoint 2200. Incoterm was founded in 1968 and filed a number of patents
for their Intelligent terminals in 1969. There are ads from 1972 showing
their SPD line of terminals. From one perspective they are a little bit
more than just a terminal. It could be programmed to do all sorts of jobs.
It had diskette drives and there were simple games to run on them. Like the
Datapoint it was an all TTL design.

I am not sure when the Incoterm terminals were first put on the market. The
information I have I gathered from various sources including Neil Frieband,
one of the first employees:

http://www.datormuseum.se/peripherals/terminals/incoterm-spd-20-20

Another early general purpose computer was the Q1 Corporation 8008 based
computers apparently delivered in December 1971. Daniel Alroy (co-founder
of Q1) writes about it on this webpage: http://www.philon.net/technology/

/Mattis


>
> Noel
>

Re: Datapoint

[Al Kossow]

On 10/2/16 7:04 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:

> Any collectors of early Datapoint machines out there on the list?

I have a 2200 with screen rot (don't they all)

Not a lot of activity, CHM has some machines, I've archived some cassettes and 
floppies
along with docs. Some work was done on simulation.

http://www.datapoint.org/cms/?q=node/12 (RIP) I think Austin Roche saved some 
of it
https://www.flickr.com/photos/treyerice/5031224397
http://www.kuonlinedirectory.org/studygroups/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/The-Almost-Forgotten-Story-of-Computer-Terminal-Corporation_4_2_16_small.pdf

http://www.datapoint.org/cms/?q=node/4

ARCnet came from them. Very little has survived from their later machines. 
Sellam had some
stuff that was scattered to the winds.

Ted Nelson worked for them for a while.

Re: Datapoint

[Al Kossow]

On 10/2/16 8:57 AM, Al Kossow wrote:

> Ted Nelson worked for them for a while.
> 
> 

http://hyperland.com/TNvita

1981-82:  Chief designer of office software, Datapoint Corporation, San 
Antonio, Texas.  TN's "Vortext" design (December
1981) is adapted as Datapoint's next-generation text system.  Datapoint's 
Advanced Technology division bundles this
design into their proposed "Road Runner" software package.  The Road Runner 
design is submitted to Datapoint management
in April 1982.  Datapoint backs away from this project and abandons further 
technical development in general, leading to
the company's speedy demise.

1983-4:  Media specialist, Datapoint.

Re: ka... ching!

[Chuck Guzis]

On 10/02/2016 06:35 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/1/16 11:49 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote:
> 
>> BTW, the "ching" aspect does not have much spell for me.
> 
> The sound of a mechanical cash register, like at the start of Pink
> Floyd's "Money"

Or the closing strains of Stan Freberg's "Green Christmas":

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5IXlfJSEi4

About 6:40 into the clip.

--Chuck

Re: Datapoint

[Brent Hilpert]

On 2016-Oct-02, at 7:04 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote:
> So I just bought, and have been avidly reading:
> 
>Lamont Wood, "Datapoint: The Lost Story of the Texans Who Invented the
>   Personal Computer Revolution"
> 
> and I was wondering what other people thought of it.
> 
> (For those who aren't familiar with it, his thesis is in the sub-title. He
> reckons the first Datapoint machine, the 2200 - announced 1970, shipped 1971 -
> was the first personal computer, and a direct ancestor of all the PC's out
> there today. The Intel 8008 - base of the later 8080 and 8086 - was not
> actually related to the 4004, but instead was done persuant to a contract with
> Datapoint to provide a CPU for the 2200, to replace its inital CPU, which was
> built out of discrete chips.)
> 
> It seems to be a reasonably scholarly work - he did a lot of interviewing of
> the principals, has made extensive use of archives of contempory written
> material, and it has some source footnotes (although not as many as would be
> optimal).
> 
> So I think he might have a good case
> 
> Any collectors of early Datapoint machines out there on the list? If his
> thesis is correct (and I think it is) these are very historic machines - up
> there with Altairs, etc.


Does he contrast it with the Viatron 21 ? - might be a contender.
The 21 is mentioned in the this nice web article about LSI processor 
development around the late 60's (contenders for "first microprocessor")
including the Datapoint involvement:
http://www.righto.com/2015/05/the-texas-instruments-tmx-1795-first.html

There's a Datapoint 1800 on ebay right now. Not sure where that fits in 
Datapoint's products, can't see enough of it to date it well, but the 
construction looks like it might be as early as mid-70's;

http://www.ebay.com/itm/DataPoint-Terminal-Mdl-1800-ships-worldwide-/152262194087?hash=item237388b3a7:g:WiUAAOSwpDdVEXuQ

RE: ka... ching!

[Jay West]

Js wrote...
--
Ok, you just gave a bunch of reasons why they're even more worthless than I
originally thought, and why people bidding on them have clearly lost their
marbles.  :)


I think it's called supply and demand :) Both ebb and flow over time, so
from time to time the stars align and prices reflect that. Some machines
that used to be worth a lot I've seen drop radically in price. Often the
price gets back up. I remember almost a decade ago HP 200LX devices
consistently going for $300. Nowadays you're lucky to get $100, if it sells
at all. I also remember HP 2100A/S boxes going for about $200, and lately
it's more like $1500-$2000.  I don't understand getting worried about the
prices, they will always change.

If the prices are such a concern, not sure why I haven't gotten a single
query about (likely) free gear in NH. Ya can't give stuff away :P

The trick is - before you list a machine on ebay, get a good technical
conversation started here on the list about them. Then post your ebay ad for
one ;)

I remember getting my first real system - a PDP-8E with TU56, PC04, and
TU10. Not only did a fellow collector give it to me for free, he drove
halfway to ensure it got a good home. I have repeated that type of gift
often and recently. That's not to say that one or two of my machines won't
end up on ebay some day - but the vast majority will be given/traded away to
fellow collectors. Besides, I have a new theory. No new machines are ever
found, we all just keep trading ownership of them amongst ourselves,
sometimes with the same machine coming back years later!

J

Re: ka... ching!

[Al Kossow]

On 10/2/16 10:15 AM, Jay West wrote:
> 
> I have a new theory. No new machines are ever
> found, we all just keep trading ownership of them amongst ourselves,
> sometimes with the same machine coming back years later!
> 

Thats been a joke at hamfests for decades :-)

Re: Datapoint

[Al Kossow]

On 10/2/16 10:11 AM, Brent Hilpert wrote:

> There's a Datapoint 1800 on ebay right now.


No one loves printers, or terminals. Just their keyboards.

Re: Datapoint

[william degnan]

I have a 3300 (with power supply issue) and I have the book/read it.

Bill Degnan
twitter: billdeg
vintagecomputer.net

11/35 on eBait

[Noel Chiappa]

So there's another 11/35 up on eBait:

  http://www.ebay.com/itm/142135416325

10-1/2 'desktop' cabinet. It does have the semi-mythical KE11-F, from what I
can see. Not sure what the group of 4 quad cards is (none of the pictures
show the numbers clearly) - maybe an RK11-D, if we can believe the tape along
the edge? Does have a couple of DL11's, and one 16KB core memory group.

Noel

RE: ka... ching!

[Rob Jarratt]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Jay West
> Sent: 02 October 2016 18:15
> To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
> 
> Subject: RE: ka... ching!
> 
> 
> Js wrote...
> --
> Ok, you just gave a bunch of reasons why they're even more worthless than
I
> originally thought, and why people bidding on them have clearly lost their
> marbles.  :)
> 
> 
> I think it's called supply and demand :) Both ebb and flow over time, so
from
> time to time the stars align and prices reflect that. Some machines that
used
> to be worth a lot I've seen drop radically in price. Often the price gets
back
> up. I remember almost a decade ago HP 200LX devices consistently going for
> $300. Nowadays you're lucky to get $100, if it sells at all. I also
remember HP
> 2100A/S boxes going for about $200, and lately it's more like $1500-$2000.
I
> don't understand getting worried about the prices, they will always
change.
> 
> If the prices are such a concern, not sure why I haven't gotten a single
query
> about (likely) free gear in NH. Ya can't give stuff away :P
> 
> The trick is - before you list a machine on ebay, get a good technical
> conversation started here on the list about them. Then post your ebay ad
for
> one ;)
> 
> I remember getting my first real system - a PDP-8E with TU56, PC04, and
> TU10. Not only did a fellow collector give it to me for free, he drove
halfway
> to ensure it got a good home. I have repeated that type of gift often and
> recently. That's not to say that one or two of my machines won't end up on
> ebay some day - but the vast majority will be given/traded away to fellow
> collectors. 


I have tried to follow much the same principle. Most of the stuff I have has
been given to me for free, and if I pass it on I make a point of giving it
away for free too. I don't apply the same rule if I had to buy the gear, but
really there has not been too much of that. If I made a significant effort
to get a machine (travel or shipping wise) which I don't particularly want
to keep but just want to be sure is not scrapped, then I may ask for a
contribution towards those costs.


> Besides, I have a new theory. No new machines are ever found,
> we all just keep trading ownership of them amongst ourselves, sometimes
> with the same machine coming back years later!
> 
> J
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: ka... ching!

[Jon Elson]

On 10/02/2016 12:50 PM, Al Kossow wrote:


On 10/2/16 10:15 AM, Jay West wrote:

I have a new theory. No new machines are ever
found, we all just keep trading ownership of them amongst ourselves,
sometimes with the same machine coming back years later!


Thats been a joke at hamfests for decades :-)



It is NOT a joke, it really happens.  The old gear outlasts 
the owners, and people use it for a while, upgrade, move to 
a retirement home or whatever, and it goes to someone else.  
Then, the cycle repeats.


Jon

Re: ka... ching!

[Fred Cisin]

On 10/2/16 10:15 AM, Jay West wrote:

I have a new theory. No new machines are ever
found, we all just keep trading ownership of them amongst ourselves,
sometimes with the same machine coming back years later!

On Sun, 2 Oct 2016, Al Kossow wrote:

Thats been a joke at hamfests for decades :-)


No new jokes are ever created.  We just keep trading ownership of them 
amonst ourselves, sometimes with the same joke coming back years later.



Dave Thompson (Micro Cornucopia) told me, "The secret to great humor is in 
the selection of WHOSE material to steal."   I wonder who he got THAT 
from.



At John Craig's Computer Swap America, public entry was delayed for vendor 
setup.  Once we had our stuff on the tables, we would scurry around buying 
each other's stuff.  One fellow said, "Why bother with the public? 
Simply, when the music stops, go home with whatever is on the table that 
you are closest to."

Re: ka... ching!

[Fred Cisin]

On 10/2/16 10:15 AM, Jay West wrote:

I have a new theory. No new machines are ever
found, we all just keep trading ownership of them amongst ourselves,
sometimes with the same machine coming back years later!

Thats been a joke at hamfests for decades :-)

On Sun, 2 Oct 2016, Jon Elson wrote:
It is NOT a joke, it really happens.  The old gear outlasts the owners, and 
people use it for a while, upgrade, move to a retirement home or whatever, 
and it goes to someone else.  Then, the cycle repeats.


But imperfectly.
There is some "new" material coming in out of cluttered closets, or even 
newly manufactured items, sufficiently arcane to be worthwhile (such as 
OQO, Kryoflux, etc.)
And, whenever one of us dies, things are lost.  Let us hope that MOST of 
the good stuff remains around, but realistically, it doesn't always 
happen.  How much of Don Maslin's collection of knowledge and information 
was recovered?


Hence, stagnation is reduced, but some wondrous stuff gets lost forever.


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

Re: ka... ching!

[jim stephens]

On 10/2/2016 12:32 PM, Jon Elson wrote:

On 10/02/2016 12:50 PM, Al Kossow wrote:


On 10/2/16 10:15 AM, Jay West wrote:

I have a new theory. No new machines are ever
found, we all just keep trading ownership of them amongst ourselves,
sometimes with the same machine coming back years later!


Thats been a joke at hamfests for decades :-)



It is NOT a joke, it really happens.  The old gear outlasts the 
owners, and people use it for a while, upgrade, move to a retirement 
home or whatever, and it goes to someone else.  Then, the cycle repeats.


Jon


This is the way it works with real estate.  Same dirt, different time, 
far larger prices.


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address.  TWC is changing their email and this may
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Re: ka... ching!

[TeoZ]

There are also the type of people who get into a hobby and buy all kinds of 
gear then get bored and ditch it a few years later.


-Original Message- 
From: Jon Elson

Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 3:32 PM
To: gene...@classiccmp.org ; discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and 
Off-Topic Posts

Subject: Re: ka... ching!

On 10/02/2016 12:50 PM, Al Kossow wrote:


On 10/2/16 10:15 AM, Jay West wrote:

I have a new theory. No new machines are ever
found, we all just keep trading ownership of them amongst ourselves,
sometimes with the same machine coming back years later!


Thats been a joke at hamfests for decades :-)




It is NOT a joke, it really happens.  The old gear outlasts
the owners, and people use it for a while, upgrade, move to
a retirement home or whatever, and it goes to someone else.
Then, the cycle repeats.

Jon 



---
This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
https://www.avast.com/antivirus

Re: 11/35 on eBait

[william degnan]

On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Noel Chiappa 
wrote:

> So there's another 11/35 up on eBait:
>
>   http://www.ebay.com/itm/142135416325
>
> 10-1/2 'desktop' cabinet. It does have the semi-mythical KE11-F, from what
> I
> can see. Not sure what the group of 4 quad cards is (none of the pictures
> show the numbers clearly) - maybe an RK11-D, if we can believe the tape
> along
> the edge? Does have a couple of DL11's, and one 16KB core memory group.
>
> Noel
>


Interesting it has non-parity RAM.  This is a simple system for an 11/35,
probably used to send/receive data to peripherals, part of a larger system
with more than one CPU  unit.  Just my initial impression.  Some of the CPU
options not present.

Bill

Re: ka... ching!

[william degnan]

On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 4:29 PM, TeoZ  wrote:

> There are also the type of people who get into a hobby and buy all kinds
> of gear then get bored and ditch it a few years later.
>
> -Original Message- From: Jon Elson
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 3:32 PM
> To: gene...@classiccmp.org ; discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and
> Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: ka... ching!
>
>
> On 10/02/2016 12:50 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
>>
>> On 10/2/16 10:15 AM, Jay West wrote:
>>
>>> I have a new theory. No new machines are ever
>>> found, we all just keep trading ownership of them amongst ourselves,
>>> sometimes with the same machine coming back years later!
>>>
>>> Thats been a joke at hamfests for decades :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> It is NOT a joke, it really happens.  The old gear outlasts
> the owners, and people use it for a while, upgrade, move to
> a retirement home or whatever, and it goes to someone else.
> Then, the cycle repeats.
>
> Jon
>


I have noticed a lot of "new" items coming into availability. People have
been horders of computers since companies first started letting employees
to take them home after depreciation.  Plenty is still out there.

I still want to got to Cuba to find a Univac there.  I have this feeling
that some thought-lost vintage machines are to be found there.

b

RE: ka... ching!

[Jay West]

AK wrote...
---
Thats been a joke at hamfests for decades :-)
---

I honestly didn't know that. I hadn't been making a point of going to
hamfests in the past decade, as I wasn't a ham and most classic gear wasn't
really showing up at them anymore.

But recently... KE0FJW, so I'll have to start going to hamfests again. At
least I'll have the humor right ;)

J

TeleVideo progress

[Ian S. King]

Hi all,

I've posted looking for help with a TeleVideo TPC-1, and I've heard a lot
of crickets - apparently this isn't a commonly held machine.  :-)  But I've
made progress with it, which I want to share.

When I first got it, the display would light up and ask me to insert a
floppy.  Doing so would promptly douse the display.  I figured, 'power
supply', and recapped the entire thing - after the venture of figuring out
how to open the case!  I found a post in netnews that strongly suggested
TeleVideo had suppressed information about opening the case to protect
their service centers' business  It's an odd combination of 'push
there, pull there and be bold', but I got it open.

Recapping was a success, and the machine attempts to boot from disk 0 - and
tries, and tries, and  I figured that drive 0, being the most used,
might have issues, but wasn't looking forward to pulling out the drive cage
and swapping them as a test.  But then I noticed that drive 1's circuit
board was visible, and I rejumpered it to be drive 0 - and success, the
machine booted into CP/M!

Sure, I could just leave it as a single-drive machine, or swap the two and
pray - but this is a restoration.  I've ordered an exact, tested/guaranteed
working replacement from ePay, and I'm going to have everything working to
spec before I snap this thing back together.

Yes, I'm having fun.  :-)

-- 
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School 
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens

Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal 
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab 

University of Washington

There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."

Re: ka... ching!

[Brad H]

I have been keeping a registry of key machines.. Apple IIs and Altairs and 
such.. whenever a serial number is available I try to record it.  Ive only seen 
one or two come up twice.. and I think one was the vintagecomputermuseum guy.  
I'll keep keeping tabs and see just for fun if stuff is in fac recycling. :)


Sent from my Samsung device

 Original message 
From: william degnan  
Date: 2016-10-02  1:37 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"  
Subject: Re: ka... ching! 

On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 4:29 PM, TeoZ  wrote:

> There are also the type of people who get into a hobby and buy all kinds
> of gear then get bored and ditch it a few years later.
>
> -Original Message- From: Jon Elson
> Sent: Sunday, October 02, 2016 3:32 PM
> To: gene...@classiccmp.org ; discuss...@classiccmp.org:On-Topic and
> Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: ka... ching!
>
>
> On 10/02/2016 12:50 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
>>
>> On 10/2/16 10:15 AM, Jay West wrote:
>>
>>> I have a new theory. No new machines are ever
>>> found, we all just keep trading ownership of them amongst ourselves,
>>> sometimes with the same machine coming back years later!
>>>
>>> Thats been a joke at hamfests for decades :-)
>>
>>
>>
>> It is NOT a joke, it really happens.  The old gear outlasts
> the owners, and people use it for a while, upgrade, move to
> a retirement home or whatever, and it goes to someone else.
> Then, the cycle repeats.
>
> Jon
>


I have noticed a lot of "new" items coming into availability. People have
been horders of computers since companies first started letting employees
to take them home after depreciation.  Plenty is still out there.

I still want to got to Cuba to find a Univac there.  I have this feeling
that some thought-lost vintage machines are to be found there.

b

Re: ka... ching!

[Fred Cisin]

On Sun, 2 Oct 2016, Brad H wrote:
I have been keeping a registry of key machines.. Apple IIs and Altairs 
and such.. whenever a serial number is available I try to record it. 
 Ive only seen one or two come up twice.. and I think one was the 
vintagecomputermuseum guy.  I'll keep keeping tabs and see just for fun 
if stuff is in fac recycling. :)


I think that the Apple II+, TRS80, 5150, etc.  were MUCH too numerous for 
meaningful results - your sample is going to remain much too small a 
percentage of the total population.


Apple 1, and even Altair, are a much more finite number, and certainly 
easier to keep track of.


In spite of the potential futility, it should be interesting.  It also 
puts you in a great position to facilitate sales, trades, etc.
Howzbout: include a field in the record about what kinds of buy/sell/trade 
offers the owner WANTS to be contacted about?  ("want more of the same", 
"will sell in the range of $20,000", "looking for following boards:", 
etc.)


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

HP 9000 Model 550 sold on eBay

[Glen Slick]

I was wondering if this item would attract much attention.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/262642624725
Sold for $787 this evening.

I don't know anything about these systems. Looks interesting, but this
bit of text didn't sound too encouraging: "The 550s have not held up
particularly well over time. As of 2013, the museum had two units.
Both units have non-functioning power supplies. The system control
boards are also subject to damage from battery corrosion."
http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=581

Also this bit of text about the HP-UX 5.0 Operating System:
"The downloadable file is an image of the system software tape for
HP-UX on 500 Series computers. It was made from a 150ft tape. We
obtained 47 read errors while imaging the tape, so it's probably not
entirely intact, and we don't have a working 500 Series machine to
check. However, the file contents of the tape are readable by issuing
the BASIC CAT command from a 300 Series computer."
http://hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?sw=534

Just curious if anyone knows much about these systems and if anyone
has one in working condition. What might the chances be for whoever
bought this system to get it into any sort of working setup? Does
anyone else have software for these squirreled away in their
collections?

Re: TeleVideo progress

[jim stephens]

On 10/2/2016 6:23 PM, Ian S. King wrote:

Hi all,

I've posted looking for help with a TeleVideo TPC-1, and I've heard a lot
of crickets 

I saw your FB posting, good job, and chirp chirp.

   I've ordered an exact, tested/guaranteed
working replacement from ePay,
Those were common drives, but be sure to do a careful inspection, as 
some of the drives had variants that were subtle.


good job, great you got it working.
thanks
JIm

  and I'm going to have everything working to
spec before I snap this thing back together.

Yes, I'm having fun.  :-)



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Re: HP 9000 Model 550 sold on eBay

[Al Kossow]

I was offered to CHM before it went up on eBay. I couldn't justify
getting it because we just accepted a model 520 with disk subsystem.

Many working systems passed through Crisis Computer. They are still
in use in parts of the government, which is probably why it went for
what it did.

On 10/2/16 8:05 PM, Glen Slick wrote:

> Just curious if anyone knows much about these systems and if anyone
> has one in working condition. What might the chances be for whoever
> bought this system to get it into any sort of working setup? Does
> anyone else have software for these squirreled away in their
> collections?
> 

pinouts for LH Research Super-Mite and Mighty-Mite-A sense connectors

[Al Kossow]

I'm working on documenting these supplies, since there seems to be almost 
nothing on them on
the web of use. There is a list of what is on the 9 pin molex on the SM, but no 
actual pinout.
Same for the 15 pin D on the MMA, but at least there are enough pictures around 
to be able to
assume the sense lines are on 1 and 2.

The general form of the part numbers for them starts with 2 or 3 letters 
(TM,MM,MMA,SM) a rough
power rating code (1-7) and the number of outputs (1-5) a dash, then model 
number probably encoding
supply outputs/amps. This is based on looking at a bunch of eBay pictures.

They want wy too much money for them on there.

This all started because I need to fix the MM72s for the Alto. I got the four I 
took a look at
fixed by replacing all of the 19000uF/7.5v caps. All of them were dried out. 
Not a huge surprise
since they were from around 1978. Measured the rest of the caps in them with an 
in circuit
capacitance/ESR meter and they were all reasonable, even the 1400uf/200v ones, 
which I had some
spares for, but are much harder to find in the right size than the 19mF ones.

Switching supplies from the mid 70's are NOISY (10-20mV on all four supplies)

My H316 environment

[Philipp Hachtmann]

Hi folks,

if you're interested... I have made available my Honeywell H316 
environment. Consists of all you need to run the machine and more.


Contains software to split and rearrange libraries. The Fortran IV 
compiler SOURCE. The assembler. Scripts that run compiler and assembler 
transparently on files (with help of SIMH).
Plotter library. Mandelbrot program. Much more. Only SIMH is needed. The 
rest should be done by the Makefile. It's just all I have.


http://gitweb.hachti.de/git/h316.git


:-)



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Re: ka... ching!

[Pontus Pihlgren]

On Sat, Oct 01, 2016 at 11:12:02AM -0700, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> On 10/01/2016 08:27 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:
> 
> > O, I see.Now that makes sense -- Thanks, Al.But, like 
> > airplanes and boats, this looks like only a rich person's game.
> 
> Looks like it's time to get out of this racket.

Nooo, I still need you guys! And I'm not rich!

Also, if you start fixing stuff for the big boys you can earn the big 
cash I suppose?

/P