ka... ching!

[Al Kossow]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291894250804

Re: ka... ching!

[j...@cimmeri.com]

On 10/1/2016 9:19 AM, Al Kossow wrote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291894250804


I don't get it.  Would someone explain to me how a couple of old, dirty, 
untested, belt driven floppy drives are worth this kind of money?   And 
why??


There's actual bidding going on.  That's not just an asking price.

- J.

Re: ka... ching!

[aswood]

Nice, I do have several.

> Am 01.10.2016 um 16:42 schrieb "j...@cimmeri.com" :
> 
>> On 10/1/2016 9:19 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291894250804
> 
> I don't get it.  Would someone explain to me how a couple of old, dirty, 
> untested, belt driven floppy drives are worth this kind of money?   And why??
> 
> There's actual bidding going on.  That's not just an asking price.
> 
> - J.

Re: ka... ching!

[Adrian Graham]

On 01/10/2016 15:42, "j...@cimmeri.com"  wrote:

> On 10/1/2016 9:19 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291894250804
> 
> I don't get it.  Would someone explain to me how a couple of old, dirty,
> untested, belt driven floppy drives are worth this kind of money?   And
> why??
> 
> There's actual bidding going on.  That's not just an asking price.

Because they're actual Twiggy drives from a Lisa 1. A lot of them were
chucked during the Lisa 2 upgrades offered by Apple because the Twiggys were
slow and unreliable, but it's a great example of how not to design a floppy
drive. If I had deep pockets I'd be bidding too.

-- 
Adrian/Witchy
Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator
Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer
collection?

Re: ka... ching!

[j...@cimmeri.com]

On 10/1/2016 9:54 AM, Adrian Graham wrote:

On 01/10/2016 15:42, "j...@cimmeri.com"  wrote:


On 10/1/2016 9:19 AM, Al Kossow wrote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/291894250804

I don't get it.  Would someone explain to me how a couple of old, dirty,
untested, belt driven floppy drives are worth this kind of money?   And
why??

There's actual bidding going on.  That's not just an asking price.

Because they're actual Twiggy drives from a Lisa 1. A lot of them were
chucked during the Lisa 2 upgrades offered by Apple because the Twiggys were
slow and unreliable, but it's a great example of how not to design a floppy
drive. If I had deep pockets I'd be bidding too.


Ok, you just gave a bunch of reasons why they're even more worthless 
than I originally thought, and why people bidding on them have clearly 
lost their marbles.  :)


- J.

Re: ka... ching!

[Al Kossow]

This is the same seller that had NOS Twiggy harnesses a month or two ago.
I was wondering if any drives were going to show up.

They appear to be pretty late serial numbers too (5xxx)

Fortunately, I got all of the museum's Twiggy media read when I
restored one before we put it on exhibit.

http://www.computerhistory.org/collections/catalog/102747604

Sad they didn't take a picture of it for the catalog.

The drives are really nasty to keep running. Good luck finding belts (fiber
required, like SA800s). The read channel circuitry is baroque. The felt pads
like to tear or fall off at inopportune times. Fixing the pad on the rear
head is a nightmare (complete disassembly).

I ended up making special cleaning disks
cutting a slot in the other side.

and.. they have a weird track spacing. Someone was going to try to modify a
Kodak drive to read them. I even formatted and sent them some media, putting
it into normal sleeves, but I don't think they got very far.



On 10/1/16 7:54 AM, Adrian Graham wrote:
> On 01/10/2016 15:42, "j...@cimmeri.com"  wrote:
> 
>> On 10/1/2016 9:19 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291894250804
>>
>> I don't get it.  Would someone explain to me how a couple of old, dirty,
>> untested, belt driven floppy drives are worth this kind of money?   And
>> why??
>>
>> There's actual bidding going on.  That's not just an asking price.
> 
> Because they're actual Twiggy drives from a Lisa 1. A lot of them were
> chucked during the Lisa 2 upgrades offered by Apple because the Twiggys were
> slow and unreliable, but it's a great example of how not to design a floppy
> drive. If I had deep pockets I'd be bidding too.
> 

Re: ka... ching!

[Al Kossow]

Going price nowadays for a Lisa with Twiggys is pushing $20K
There are a lot of people that have all of the parts except the drives, 
including the front bezel.

On 10/1/16 8:12 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:

> Ok, you just gave a bunch of reasons why they're even more worthless than I 
> originally thought, and why people bidding
> on them have clearly lost their marbles.  :)
> 
> - J.

Re: ka... ching!

[Al Kossow]

that's why someone thinks they can get $5k just for the bezel
www.ebay.com/itm/62204758

On 10/1/16 8:21 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
> Going price nowadays for a Lisa with Twiggys is pushing $20K
>

Re: ka... ching!

[j...@cimmeri.com]

On 10/1/16 8:12 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:

Ok, you just gave a bunch of reasons why they're even more worthless than I 
originally thought, and why people bidding
on them have clearly lost their marbles.  :)

- J.

On 10/1/2016 10:21 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
Going price nowadays for a Lisa with Twiggys is pushing $20K
There are a lot of people that have all of the parts except the drives, 
including the front bezel.


O, I see.Now that makes sense -- Thanks, Al.But, like 
airplanes and boats, this looks like only a rich person's game.


- J.

Re: ka... ching!

[Chuck Guzis]

On 10/01/2016 08:27 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:

> O, I see.Now that makes sense -- Thanks, Al.But, like 
> airplanes and boats, this looks like only a rich person's game.

Sigh.  There was a time when I was in this old computer stuff to help
out people who were trying to do something or retrieve otherwise lost
information.

The game has changed, obviously.  We are in an era now when folks with
too much money and spare time and narcissism want to buy and sell and
display toys rather than play with them.

Looks like it's time to get out of this racket.

--Chuck

Re: ka... ching!

[Antonio Carlini]

On 01/10/16 19:12, Chuck Guzis wrote:
We are in an era now when folks with too much money and spare time and 
narcissism want to buy and sell and display toys rather than play with 
them. 


I suspect that we've always been in that era, it's just that some of 
them now look at old computers as "display toys".


I expect that the vast majority of C64 systems that change hands end up 
with someone who wants to relive his or her youth.


Antonio

--
Antonio Carlini
arcarl...@iee.org

Re: ka... ching!

[N0body H0me]

> -Original Message-
> From: ccl...@sydex.com
> Sent: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 11:12:02 -0700
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: ka... ching!
> 
> On 10/01/2016 08:27 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:
> 
>> O, I see.Now that makes sense -- Thanks, Al.But, like
>> airplanes and boats, this looks like only a rich person's game.
> 
> Sigh.  There was a time when I was in this old computer stuff to help
> out people who were trying to do something or retrieve otherwise lost
> information.
> 
> The game has changed, obviously.  We are in an era now when folks with
> too much money and spare time and narcissism want to buy and sell and
> display toys rather than play with them.
> 
> Looks like it's time to get out of this racket.
> 
> --Chuck

Yeh. Once we started seeing Classical Computers that could be considered
'investment grade', prices just got ridiculous for everything.  Everyone
with an old computer in their closet started seeing dollar-signs.

And before I get castigated by those whose position is: "Well, if you cant 
stand the heat" I'll remind everyone that its (former) affordability
was part of the enjoyment factor of our hobby.

N0body

equipment available - NH

[Jay West]

I have no idea how many people this person emailed, but I did get emailed
directly about it so passing it on..

 

"Stuff" available (as of today for sure) in central NH. See a few pictures
at www.ezwind.net/nh  

 

The person said it includes 2 or 3 systems (altos? PDP? Vax?), and a lot of
documentation and media. Some other documentation is present for other
systems (Honeywell, etc.).

They also said some Prime manuals but not sure I buy that.

 

Snippets in email I received:

You would not want to see what I have go into the dump. My Dad was a
programmer from day until . His life's work is in my basement.  Includes a
VAX and a Dec PC and an Altos. Also have numerous PDP and PDP material. Many
VAX/VMS manuals, multitude of software and manuals.

 

And.

We have some PDP=10 and somePDP11 books and manuals. Prime.

 

And.

Still available. Location Central NH. Come get it or call me via telephone.
Where do you want it shipped and can you pay for freight charge? Want it
gone now as soon as possible. Thank you.

 

And.

Here are pics of the DEC machines and an Altos. All of the documentation
goes with the computers and some is from other mid-range platforms.  Some
text books as well. I need to sell all of this stuff to an interested buyer.
Moving and can't take it with me.

 

If you are serious (and able) to get this equipment within a week or two,
then contact me off-list and I'll send an introduction email. Whoever takes
this on should be in the NorthEastern US at least..

 

Best,

 

J

 

 

Re: ka... ching!

[Mike Stein]

- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Guzis" 
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: ka... ching!


> On 10/01/2016 08:27 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:
> 
>> O, I see.Now that makes sense -- Thanks, Al.But, like 
>> airplanes and boats, this looks like only a rich person's game.
> 
> Sigh.  There was a time when I was in this old computer stuff to help
> out people who were trying to do something or retrieve otherwise lost
> information.
> 
> The game has changed, obviously.  We are in an era now when folks with
> too much money and spare time and narcissism want to buy and sell and
> display toys rather than play with them.
> 
> Looks like it's time to get out of this racket.
> 
> --Chuck
>
=
Please don't, Chuck!

You're one of the most prolific sources of information and helpful advice in 
this hobby, across almost all platforms, and you would be sorely missed indeed.

Obviously I don't have anything close to what you have to contribute, but my 
reasons for spending time on these lists & forums are more or less the same (as 
well as the hope of regaining some space in my house ;-). 

For various reasons I've also from time to time reflected on why I waste so 
much time on what is just old junk to most people; someone here (Al? Fred?) 
once asked rhetorically how much money or lost income we spend just storing 
this crap, and that in particular hit home.

I did get rid of a fair bit of stuff after the unpleasantness on the Vintage 
Forum and have cut back a lot on the time I spend on the various lists, but 
when I consider 'getting out of the racket' completely the friends I've made 
and the occasional opportunity to actually help someone with a hard-to-find 
item or even a piece of advice have kept me 'in it' after all.

Please don't go!

m

RE: ka... ching!

[tony duell]

> 
> Looks like it's time to get out of this racket.

Want to take me with you?

-tony

Re: ka... ching!

[j...@cimmeri.com]

On 10/1/2016 3:21 PM, N0body H0me wrote:

-Original Message-
From: ccl...@sydex.com
Sent: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 11:12:02 -0700
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: Re: ka... ching!

On 10/01/2016 08:27 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:


But, like airplanes and boats, this looks like only a rich person's game.

...

The game has changed, obviously.  We are in an era now when folks with too much 
money and spare time and narcissism want to buy and sell and display toys 
rather than play with them.

Looks like it's time to get out of this racket.

--Chuck

Yeh. Once we started seeing Classical Computers that could be considered
'investment grade', prices just got ridiculous for everything.  Everyone
with an old computer in their closet started seeing dollar-signs.


From where I sit, the big prices seem 
mostly centered around Apple 1's and 
this Twiggy Lisa.  Have any other 
computers have gone astronomical like these?


- J.

Re: ka... ching!

[Ian S. King]

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 1:57 PM, j...@cimmeri.com  wrote:

>
> On 10/1/2016 3:21 PM, N0body H0me wrote:
>
>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ccl...@sydex.com
>>> Sent: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 11:12:02 -0700
>>> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
>>> Subject: Re: ka... ching!
>>>
>>> On 10/01/2016 08:27 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:
>>>
>>> But, like airplanes and boats, this looks like only a rich person's game.

>>> ...
>>>
>>> The game has changed, obviously.  We are in an era now when folks with
>>> too much money and spare time and narcissism want to buy and sell and
>>> display toys rather than play with them.
>>>
>>> Looks like it's time to get out of this racket.
>>>
>>> --Chuck
>>>
>> Yeh. Once we started seeing Classical Computers that could be considered
>> 'investment grade', prices just got ridiculous for everything.  Everyone
>> with an old computer in their closet started seeing dollar-signs.
>>
>
> From where I sit, the big prices seem mostly centered around Apple 1's and
> this Twiggy Lisa.  Have any other computers have gone astronomical like
> these?
>
> - J.
>

There are a couple of sellers in particular who routinely ask insane
prices, which I think distorts the economy: 'If that guy can ask a
gazillion dollars/pounds/euro for X, so can I."  I think few people
actually look at *completed* sales, i.e. what people really paid for
something.

On one hand, it's a shame stuff ends up on ePay where it becomes the target
of 'feeding frenzy' behaviors - but it's not going to the scrappers, which
is good.

-- 
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School 
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens

Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal 
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab 

University of Washington

There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."

Re: ka... ching!

[Brad H]

I second what Mike says, Chuck.
I don't enjoy fighting with these deep pocketed 'collectors', especiallu 
knowing a lot of this stuff is destined for a trophy case never to be used.  
But.. that's the free market.  Plus high prices ensure I'm not able to 
immediately fill my basement. :)
I actually find myself more excited by reproduction.. I think as cool as it 
would have been to own an original TVT building one myself has really made it 
special.  Along the way I keep finding new potential projects.    


Sent from my Samsung device

 Original message 
From: Mike Stein  
Date: 2016-10-01  1:47 PM  (GMT-08:00) 
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"  
Subject: Re: ka... ching! 


- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Guzis" 
To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2016 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: ka... ching!


> On 10/01/2016 08:27 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:
> 
>> O, I see.    Now that makes sense -- Thanks, Al.    But, like 
>> airplanes and boats, this looks like only a rich person's game.
> 
> Sigh.  There was a time when I was in this old computer stuff to help
> out people who were trying to do something or retrieve otherwise lost
> information.
> 
> The game has changed, obviously.  We are in an era now when folks with
> too much money and spare time and narcissism want to buy and sell and
> display toys rather than play with them.
> 
> Looks like it's time to get out of this racket.
> 
> --Chuck
>
=
Please don't, Chuck!

You're one of the most prolific sources of information and helpful advice in 
this hobby, across almost all platforms, and you would be sorely missed indeed.

Obviously I don't have anything close to what you have to contribute, but my 
reasons for spending time on these lists & forums are more or less the same (as 
well as the hope of regaining some space in my house ;-). 

For various reasons I've also from time to time reflected on why I waste so 
much time on what is just old junk to most people; someone here (Al? Fred?) 
once asked rhetorically how much money or lost income we spend just storing 
this crap, and that in particular hit home.

I did get rid of a fair bit of stuff after the unpleasantness on the Vintage 
Forum and have cut back a lot on the time I spend on the various lists, but 
when I consider 'getting out of the racket' completely the friends I've made 
and the occasional opportunity to actually help someone with a hard-to-find 
item or even a piece of advice have kept me 'in it' after all.

Please don't go!

m

Re: ka... ching!

[Chris Hanson]

On Oct 1, 2016, at 1:57 PM, "j...@cimmeri.com"  wrote:

> From where I sit, the big prices seem mostly centered around Apple 1's and 
> this Twiggy Lisa.  Have any other computers have gone astronomical like these?

Yes, some old workstation and mini hardware. Old Macs have also seen a 
significant rise in prices over the past 10 years.

  -- Chris

Re: ka... ching!

[N0body H0me]

> -Original Message-
> From: j...@cimmeri.com
> Sent: Sat, 01 Oct 2016 15:57:45 -0500
> To: gene...@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: ka... ching!
> 
> 
> On 10/1/2016 3:21 PM, N0body H0me wrote:
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ccl...@sydex.com
>>> Sent: Sat, 1 Oct 2016 11:12:02 -0700
>>> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
>>> Subject: Re: ka... ching!
>>> 
>>> On 10/01/2016 08:27 AM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:
>>> 
 But, like airplanes and boats, this looks like only a rich person's
 game.
>>> ...
>>> 
>>> The game has changed, obviously.  We are in an era now when folks with
>>> too much money and spare time and narcissism want to buy and sell and
>>> display toys rather than play with them.
>>> 
>>> Looks like it's time to get out of this racket.
>>> 
>>> --Chuck
>> Yeh. Once we started seeing Classical Computers that could be considered
>> 'investment grade', prices just got ridiculous for everything.  Everyone
>> with an old computer in their closet started seeing dollar-signs.
> 
>  From where I sit, the big prices seem
> mostly centered around Apple 1's and
> this Twiggy Lisa.  Have any other
> computers have gone astronomical like these?
> 
> - J.

Maybe not astronomical, but most of the systems I'm interested in, anyways,
are almost always outside my price range.  A good example: I bought my
first ss-50 machine for $50.  That's $116 in today's money.  Not lunch
money, but not out of reach.  Try to buy an SS-50 today (like say, an
SwTPc 6800 or similar).  You can't SMELL one for under $600-800, and 
more likely you're going to have to pony up a grand or more.

I tried to buy a PDP-11/23 on Craigslist.  "Make offer" the ad said.
I made an offer. No response. No "no thank you" or "I was really hoping
to get $".  Nothing.  Make another offer, still nothing.  A week
goes by, and I'm looking at e-pay.  The EXACT SAME machine is now listed.
Opening bid was $100.  I didn't bid; there are too many people playing
games like this

So, it's not 'astronomical' just out of reach.  If I didn't still have
a bunch of stuff I acquired when it was still all reasonably priced, I likely 
wouldn't bother.  

N0body

Re: ka... ching!

[Noel Chiappa]

> Maybe not astronomical, but most of the systems I'm interested in,
> anyways, are almost always outside my price range.
> ...
> it's not 'astronomical' just out of reach.  

Look at old cars. There's a whole range, from $15M Ferraris on down. The
existence of cars are higher prices doesn't stop lots of people from enjoying
lower-priced ones.

I completely fail to see why old computers should be any different. Can
everyone afford a Ferrari? No. Has this seriously damaged old car collecting?
Doesn't see to have.

Noel

Re: ka... ching!

[Santo Nucifora]

For those who are bidding on the twiggy drives, you can have a Lisa 1
faceplate here:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/62204758  and a matching
Lisa 1 mouse here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/172360487433

These are a little on the expensive side too :)



On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 6:46 PM, Noel Chiappa 
wrote:

>
> > Maybe not astronomical, but most of the systems I'm interested in,
> > anyways, are almost always outside my price range.
> > ...
> > it's not 'astronomical' just out of reach.
>
> Look at old cars. There's a whole range, from $15M Ferraris on down. The
> existence of cars are higher prices doesn't stop lots of people from
> enjoying
> lower-priced ones.
>
> I completely fail to see why old computers should be any different. Can
> everyone afford a Ferrari? No. Has this seriously damaged old car
> collecting?
> Doesn't see to have.
>
> Noel
>

RE: ka... ching!

[Fred Cisin]

> Looks like it's time to get out of this racket.

On Sat, 1 Oct 2016, tony duell wrote:

Want to take me with you?


I'd ask if there's room, but I'm afraid that I'm not worthy.  Besides, I 
still have too much crap that I'd want to bring along.



Yes, it is easy to remember times when IBM 5150, '57 Chevy, Altair, 
Isetta, functioning TTYs, could be had for the effort of carrying them 
home.
Well before our time, Van Gogh paintings could be had for a bottle of 
wine.
Yes, things that we have been interested in, that once had negligible 
cost have acquired value and unimaginable prices.

Even my house is now valued at 30 times what I paid.
If John Titor ever answers my standing offer, one of the first things that 
I should do in the 1960s is get a warehouse.



--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

Re: ka... ching!

[Adrian Graham]

On 01/10/2016 23:52, "Santo Nucifora"  wrote:

> For those who are bidding on the twiggy drives, you can have a Lisa 1
> faceplate here:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/62204758  and a matching
> Lisa 1 mouse here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/172360487433
> 

Hells, he's still trying to flog that mouse for $3K. We've picked that one
apart a few times here :)

-- 
Adrian/Witchy
Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator
Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer
collection?

Re: ka... ching!

[Ali]

>Can
>everyone afford a Ferrari? No. Has this >seriously damaged old car collecting?


But it has seriously damaged my ability to enjoy and collect Ferraris. :D
-Ali

Re: ka... ching!

[j...@cimmeri.com]

On 10/1/2016 6:38 PM, Adrian Graham wrote:

On 01/10/2016 23:52, "Santo Nucifora"  wrote:


For those who are bidding on the twiggy drives, you can have a Lisa 1
faceplate here:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/62204758  and a matching
Lisa 1 mouse here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/172360487433


Hells, he's still trying to flog that mouse for $3K. We've picked that one
apart a few times here :)


And the incredible gall of him to have a shipping charge on top of 
that.   Uneffingblinkenbelievable.


- J.

Re: ka... ching!

[Chuck Guzis]

On 10/01/2016 01:47 PM, Mike Stein wrote:

> You're one of the most prolific sources of information and helpful
> advice in this hobby, across almost all platforms, and you would be
> sorely missed indeed.
> 
> Obviously I don't have anything close to what you have to contribute,
> but my reasons for spending time on these lists & forums are more or
> less the same (as well as the hope of regaining some space in my
> house ;-).

That's very kind of you, Mike, but we all are getting older--some of us
more than others.  I've resisted becoming too involved in the new
culture--I still don't own a cellphone of any stripe, but said culture
still eats time that's probably now better spent with my lovely and
tolerant wife, my dogs, my music and my chainsaws.

I've already committed to my better half that I'll be out of this by
2020 and I don't intend to disappoint her.

--Chuck

Re: ka... ching!

[COURYHOUSE]

In reality, what do you feel the mouse is worth?
 
Ed#
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/1/2016 4:47:10 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
j...@cimmeri.com writes:

On  10/1/2016 6:38 PM, Adrian Graham wrote:
> On 01/10/2016 23:52, "Santo  Nucifora"  wrote:
>
>> For  those who are bidding on the twiggy drives, you can have a Lisa 1
>>  faceplate here:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/62204758  and a  
matching
>> Lisa 1 mouse here:  http://www.ebay.com/itm/172360487433
>>
> Hells, he's still  trying to flog that mouse for $3K. We've picked that 
one
> apart a few  times here :)

And the incredible gall of him to have a shipping charge  on top of 
that.   Uneffingblinkenbelievable.

-  J.

Re: ka... ching!

[COURYHOUSE]

Come  on! there are still treasures  to be found!   (  probaby not the 57  
chevy though)
 
 
In a message dated 10/1/2016 4:06:55 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
ci...@xenosoft.com writes:

Yes, it  is easy to remember times when IBM 5150, '57 Chevy, Altair, 
Isetta,  functioning TTYs, could be had for the effort of carrying them  
home.
Well before our time, Van Gogh paintings could be had for a  bottle of 
wine.

Re: ka... ching!

[Fred Cisin]

On Sat, 1 Oct 2016, couryho...@aol.com wrote:

In reality, what do you feel the mouse is worth?


As a mouse, $5 - $20
as a historic artifact, $10 - $1000, depending on prevenance (Engelbart's 
mouse is worth more than mine)

Re: ka... ching!

[Fred Cisin]

On Sat, 1 Oct 2016, couryho...@aol.com wrote:

Come  on! there are still treasures  to be found!   (  probaby not the 57
chevy though)


There are lots of '57 Chevys around.  Just that their percieved value is 
no longer in my range.  In 1965, my parents threw away their 57 Chevy 
station wagon, instead of giving it to me.


I gave the Northstar Horizon to somebody who appreciated it.
I have never managed to own an Isetta, but two years ago, I got a chance 
to ride in one for a few hours.
I will turn over the 5150 to somebody who will appreciate it after I get 
rid of enough other stuff to get it out of storage (I know where it is) 
and find some Amlyn disks for Steve Hirsch.


Anybody want a substantial pile of Dell Inspiron 5150 and 5160s??
(Doctor Marty thinks that his hoarding is a terminal disease)
They're worthless now, but in a decade or three, they will be R@RE 
collector items!



--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

Re: ka... ching!

[Chuck Guzis]

On 10/01/2016 07:13 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Oct 2016, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
>> In reality, what do you feel the mouse is worth?
> 
> As a mouse, $5 - $20 as a historic artifact, $10 - $1000, depending
> on prevenance (Engelbart's mouse is worth more than mine)


Yeah, that "provenance" thing.  A Lisa owned by Steve Jobs is still a
Lisa, but has his ghost inside.

It's a thing, damneit.   No ghosts.

--Chuck

Re: ka... ching!

[drlegendre .]

"It's a thing, damneit.   No ghosts."

Oh c'mon, Chuck! Where would this world be without magical thinking?!

(Oh. That's right.)

On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Chuck Guzis  wrote:

> On 10/01/2016 07:13 PM, Fred Cisin wrote:
> > On Sat, 1 Oct 2016, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
> >> In reality, what do you feel the mouse is worth?
> >
> > As a mouse, $5 - $20 as a historic artifact, $10 - $1000, depending
> > on prevenance (Engelbart's mouse is worth more than mine)
>
>
> Yeah, that "provenance" thing.  A Lisa owned by Steve Jobs is still a
> Lisa, but has his ghost inside.
>
> It's a thing, damneit.   No ghosts.
>
> --Chuck
>
>

Re: ka... ching!

[COURYHOUSE]

thanks for the info
I will now have to  find where I put it!
It was not like  the  mac  mouse and I do not  or
I  did not think I had one  for our  Lisa  but I guess I  do  now!
 
our  SMECC Lisa has a floppy and a hard  drive.
hard to say  what is  wrong  with it... just a screen full of letters
(any info on this is  good to hear from you-)
 
Ed#  www.smecc.org
 
 
 
 
In a message dated 10/1/2016 7:13:55 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
ci...@xenosoft.com writes:

On Sat,  1 Oct 2016, couryho...@aol.com wrote:
> In reality, what do you feel the  mouse is worth?

As a mouse, $5 - $20
as a historic artifact, $10 -  $1000, depending on prevenance (Engelbart's 
mouse is worth more than  mine)

Re: ka... ching!

[Tomasz Rola]

On Sat, Oct 01, 2016 at 04:06:49PM -0700, Fred Cisin wrote:
> >> Looks like it's time to get out of this racket.
> On Sat, 1 Oct 2016, tony duell wrote:
> >Want to take me with you?
> 
> I'd ask if there's room, but I'm afraid that I'm not worthy.
> Besides, I still have too much crap that I'd want to bring along.

But you guys must realize how this "get out of" is going to end? In a
rather small room filled up to the roof with those who followed you
because "please" and "me too" and "I will clean your screwdriver".

[...]
> If John Titor ever answers my standing offer, one of the first
> things that I should do in the 1960s is get a warehouse.

If you meet the guy (or he meets you, which ever comes first) please
ask if this would have been not too much trouble for him to make a
compressed dump of the list archives from before the server went
soft. Ideally, tar + compressed/gzipped, with 2-5% Solomon-Reed
checksum, just in case. And of course, drop it in _our_ time somewhere
on the net (what do I care if he takes the tape home - I might be
fried to the bone by then). I spit in the mirror from time to time
because I have not made it myself when it was easy and did not
required bending of light and similar magic.

BTW, the "ching" aspect does not have much spell for me. Maybe because
I do not have a "kollekshion". Or maybe because I am focused on
rethinking some not-so-old ideas - it seems to be more fun than
learning Javascript and node and whatever is cool this month.

-- 
Regards,
Tomasz Rola

--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature.  **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home**
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened...  **
** **
** Tomasz Rola  mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **