Vintage Computer Forum
Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? Its got walls like Mordor I thought I might register. I filled out their form (tedious) and hit submit. It tells me my email address is already in use ! It then offers to change my password and asks for my email address. It says email sent needless to say there's no email This site is more confused than I normally am Anybody know a spell or incantation to get into this closed site. Rod Smallwood
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
On 14 April 2016 at 08:45, Rod Smallwood wrote: > Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? > Its got walls like Mordor > > I thought I might register. I filled out their form (tedious) and hit > submit. > It tells me my email address is already in use ! > It then offers to change my password and asks for my email address. > It says email sent needless to say there's no email > This site is more confused than I normally am > > Anybody know a spell or incantation to get into this closed site. > Hopefully Erik will be along soon to explain how to register. I know it changed hosts in Feb so there may still be teething troubles. -- adrian/witchy Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest home computer collection? www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
Thanks Adrian Rod On 14/04/2016 11:54, Adrian Graham wrote: On 14 April 2016 at 08:45, Rod Smallwood wrote: Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? Its got walls like Mordor I thought I might register. I filled out their form (tedious) and hit submit. It tells me my email address is already in use ! It then offers to change my password and asks for my email address. It says email sent needless to say there's no email This site is more confused than I normally am Anybody know a spell or incantation to get into this closed site. Hopefully Erik will be along soon to explain how to register. I know it changed hosts in Feb so there may still be teething troubles.
Vintage compu stuff in NOLA?
I'll be in New Orleans for a few days next week - anything vintage electronics to recommend? Thanks, Jack
Fwd: Apple Fans, a reminder two working Apple-1's at VCF east
One NTI and one byte shop board. If you attend Friday's Apple-1 classes you may get to play on one and you will be able to compare them to the current Mimeo and Newton reproduction boards. For the weekend we will be rotating units and will post a schedule when demonstrations will occur. Happy 40th Birthday Apple!!! Cheers, Corey corey cohen uǝɥoɔ ʎǝɹoɔ
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
On 14 April 2016 at 09:45, Rod Smallwood wrote: > Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? > Its got walls like Mordor > > I thought I might register. I filled out their form (tedious) and hit > submit. > It tells me my email address is already in use ! [..] The forum was moved to http://www.vcfed.org/forum/ recently, with all the original users and posts, and it looks like you registered April 29 last year. (search for yourself with site:www.vcfed.org/forum/ and you'll find your user) -Tor
RE: A couple of afternoons in Austin, Tx
Think most our hotspots have been mentioned. Last I've heard Goodwill (franchise* so rules vary by city/owners) has a mandate to all goodwill in town that they must send all computer equipment to the goodwill computerworks store which is the one mentioned (off the frontage of north 183 and just before Burnett). Unfortunate for the other stores but makes it a single stop to know if they have anything vintage. Prices seem to model ebay though :-( but once and a while something nice is there. Pinballz arcade (N. Austin)/Pinballz kingdom (buda) are functional arcades catering to pinball and early games nut also newer titles scattered around. Most are for sale but IMO at "not interested in selling" prices (2.5x? Going rates). Game over videogames is one of our better retro and vintage game stores. A few locations scattered around town but also a little high on prices. The staff though are usually pretty knowledgeable gamers and enthusiasts though depending on age and location. They also line their walls with part of the owners collection or boxes of consoles. The north lamar/anderson location has a small area as their "museum". This is also who started hosting an annual "classic game fest" in town. Gamefellas .. one of Austin's early on used and vintage game stores. They tend to have more boxed console games than other stores which you'll find loose carts. I cant ever get a good vibe on staff though. One store seems to have the good geeks then two others have a teen thats listening to an ipad and seems disinterested but maybe thats changed. I don't know what the schedule is but on (some?) Saturdays there's a commodore meetup group that Bo Zimmerman hosts. Possibility to see what I advertise as one of the largest commodore collections in North America. There are also a few hacker spaces but I'm not that familiar nor a member so not sure about touring those.
Re: Getting an ibm as/400
Not sure about mounting the drive and reading the filesystem properly (not much bad could happen from trying) but that gives you the opportunity to back it up (dd) or to potentially hex edit the raw drive itself and overwrite the password hash with one you do know as long as its the exact same amount of characters. (Any different length of characters will shift the data that sectors are looking for ans corrupt the drive). Original message From: devin davison Date:04/13/2016 10:57 PM (GMT-06:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Subject: Re: Getting an ibm as/400 The size of two pc towers. I am trying to figure out how to log in. I tried the account qsecofr with pass qsecofr with no luck. I might actually have a licenced os on this thing, it is very different from anything i have worked with before. Not sure really where to go from here. The drives are scsi, are they in a standard filesystem format i could read in a seperate machine? On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > Nice! I have a 170 (not up and running, no OS). Which variant do you have. > Is it > about the size of a PC tower or or two PC towers next to each other? > > /P > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:09:02PM -0400, devin davison wrote: > > Alright. Picked up the machine today. Much smaller than expected, but > > everything needed seems to be included. I got a terminal as well as a box > > of cables. I managed to boot the machine up to the login screen. However > I > > do not know the username or password. I was speaking with someone on the > > phone that was quite knowlegable, they said that after 3 attempts to > login > > it becomes a potato. What do i do from here. I am going to try and > contact > > the original owners, however i believe they are unwilling to help. Im > quite > > amazed the main drive was not wiped. Anyhow, if i can not get the > password > > from the original owners, there does appear to be a working install on > the > > drives, how would I go about resetting the password to gain access to the > > machine? The machine is a ibm as/400e 170. > > > > pictures to follow once I find my camera. > > > > --Devin > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Mazzini Alessandro > wrote: > > > > > You had it easy. > > > > > > Once upon a time, a place I was working for decided to get a new > > > development > > > as/400. The toy was 2x the 270 you mentioned (hd cage taking one > side)... > > > and the shipping original ibm box upped the weight to dunno... king > kong. > > > It didn't fit in the elevator, and anyway exceeded the max weight. > > > > > > The office was 2 floors up > > > > > > We pushed it up, I still have the nightmares > > > > > > -Messaggio originale- > > > Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org ] Per > conto di Kevin > > > Monceaux > > > Inviato: mercoledì 13 aprile 2016 21:09 > > > A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > Oggetto: Re: Getting an ibm as/400 > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 01:26:29AM -0400, Ian Primus wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Jason T > wrote: > > > > > > > > In IBM-speak, it's a "Midrange." > > > > > > > > Which is a fancy word for "unusually heavy for its size". > > > > > > That's the truth. In a previous reply I mentioned I have a "small" > > > 9406-270 > > > in my living room. I found it listed on eBay. It was in New York. > I'm in > > > Central Texas. It was listed with a flat $50 shipping fee. From the > > > photos > > > and shipping fee I was expecting something small enough to be shipped > by > > > UPS > > > or FedEx. I made the seller an offer $50 less than the list price > which > > > they accepted, so I basically got free shipping. It was shipped by UPS > > > - UPS Freight. There was no way UPS Fright could get down my driveway > so I > > > had to pick it up at their terminal. Fortunately it was shipped on a > tiny > > > pallet that just fit in the back of my mini-van. It looks like an > > > oversized > > > tower PC, but is definitely unusually heavy for its size. I have to > use a > > > dolly to move it around. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Kevin > > > http://www.RawFedDogs.net > > > http://www.Lassie.xyz > > > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org > > > Bruceville, TX > > > > > > What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! > > > Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum. > > > > > > >
DEC Legacy UK show
DEC Legacy UK show Where did it go ? 2015 then nothing Rod Smallwood
Re: A couple of afternoons in Austin, Tx
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Sam O'nella wrote: > > Pinballz arcade (N. Austin)/Pinballz kingdom (buda) are functional arcades > catering to pinball and early games nut also newer titles scattered around. > Most are for sale but IMO at "not interested in selling" prices (2.5x? > Going rates). Yeah, that’s pretty much true. To be sure, though, the tables are working and, from what I know, they guarantee the purchase. It a bit better than buying off of someone you know who doesn’t have a record of repairs made. However, you do pay for that. If you _really_ wanted a pinball machine and it wasn’t something very recent (like the newer Sterns or Jersey Jacks, etc.) then you’d want to hook up with a local pinball club to find sellers and people who can work on them. It should also be said that Pinballz is not a pay one price and play until you drop. Every drain costs you money! ;-)
RE: DEC Legacy UK show
I thought Mark was only aiming for every two years. > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod > Smallwood > Sent: 14 April 2016 14:14 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts > Subject: DEC Legacy UK show > > DEC Legacy UK show > > Where did it go ? > 2015 then nothing > > Rod Smallwood >
Re: Getting an ibm as/400
I called this morning. the place it came from does not want to be helpful. The person i spoke with was uncertain why the drive was not wiped in the first place. I am going to start imaging the drives with dd and see if i can find anything useful on them. Hex editing the raw hash sounds like the way i would want to go, but i will need to read more into it. On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 9:47 AM, Sam O'nella wrote: > Not sure about mounting the drive and reading the filesystem properly (not > much bad could happen from trying) but that gives you the opportunity to > back it up (dd) or to potentially hex edit the raw drive itself and > overwrite the password hash with one you do know as long as its the exact > same amount of characters. (Any different length of characters will shift > the data that sectors are looking for ans corrupt the drive). > > Original message From: devin davison < > lyokob...@gmail.com> Date:04/13/2016 10:57 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> Subject: Re: Getting an ibm as/400 > > The size of two pc towers. I am trying to figure out how to log in. > I tried > the account qsecofr with pass qsecofr with no luck. I might actually have a > licenced os on this thing, it is very different from anything i have worked > with before. Not sure really where to go from here. > > The drives are scsi, are they in a standard filesystem format i could read > in a seperate machine? > > On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > > > Nice! I have a 170 (not up and running, no OS). Which variant do you > have. > > Is it > > about the size of a PC tower or or two PC towers next to each other? > > > > /P > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:09:02PM -0400, devin davison wrote: > > > Alright. Picked up the machine today. Much smaller than expected, but > > > everything needed seems to be included. I got a terminal as well as a > box > > > of cables. I managed to boot the machine up to the login screen. > However > > I > > > do not know the username or password. I was speaking with someone on > the > > > phone that was quite knowlegable, they said that after 3 attempts to > > login > > > it becomes a potato. What do i do from here. I am going to try and > > contact > > > the original owners, however i believe they are unwilling to help. Im > > quite > > > amazed the main drive was not wiped. Anyhow, if i can not get the > > password > > > from the original owners, there does appear to be a working install on > > the > > > drives, how would I go about resetting the password to gain access to > the > > > machine? The machine is a ibm as/400e 170. > > > > > > pictures to follow once I find my camera. > > > > > > --Devin > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Mazzini Alessandro > > wrote: > > > > > > > You had it easy. > > > > > > > > Once upon a time, a place I was working for decided to get a new > > > > development > > > > as/400. The toy was 2x the 270 you mentioned (hd cage taking one > > side)... > > > > and the shipping original ibm box upped the weight to dunno... king > > kong. > > > > It didn't fit in the elevator, and anyway exceeded the max weight. > > > > > > > > The office was 2 floors up > > > > > > > > We pushed it up, I still have the nightmares > > > > > > > > -Messaggio originale- > > > > Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org ] Per > > conto di Kevin > > > > Monceaux > > > > Inviato: mercoledì 13 aprile 2016 21:09 > > > > A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > > Oggetto: Re: Getting an ibm as/400 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 01:26:29AM -0400, Ian Primus wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Jason T > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In IBM-speak, it's a "Midrange." > > > > > > > > > > Which is a fancy word for "unusually heavy for its size". > > > > > > > > That's the truth. In a previous reply I mentioned I have a "small" > > > > 9406-270 > > > > in my living room. I found it listed on eBay. It was in New York. > > I'm in > > > > Central Texas. It was listed with a flat $50 shipping fee. From the > > > > photos > > > > and shipping fee I was expecting something small enough to be shipped > > by > > > > UPS > > > > or FedEx. I made the seller an offer $50 less than the list price > > which > > > > they accepted, so I basically got free shipping. It was shipped by > UPS > > > > - UPS Freight. There was no way UPS Fright could get down my > driveway > > so I > > > > had to pick it up at their terminal. Fortunately it was shipped on a > > tiny > > > > pallet that just fit in the back of my mini-van. It looks like an > > > > oversized > > > > tower PC, but is definitely unusually heavy for its size. I have to > > use a > > > > dolly to move it around. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Kevin > > > > http://www.RawFedDogs.net > > > > http://www.Lassie.xyz > > > > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org > >
RE: Getting an ibm as/400
Get the SLIC cd (or tape), and do a D-mode manual IPL. Reinstall (DO NOT select the option to install and initialize). This is generally referred to as "slipping the LIC". You can re-install it without trashing the OS. That'll get you into DST, where you can reset the password. What version of the OS does is currently installed? -Ben
Re: DEC Legacy UK show
So why did it say See you in 2016? On 14/04/2016 15:03, Dave Wade wrote: I thought Mark was only aiming for every two years. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood Sent: 14 April 2016 14:14 To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts Subject: DEC Legacy UK show DEC Legacy UK show Where did it go ? 2015 then nothing Rod Smallwood
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
On 14/04/2016 14:39, Tor Arntsen wrote: On 14 April 2016 at 09:45, Rod Smallwood wrote: Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? Its got walls like Mordor I thought I might register. I filled out their form (tedious) and hit submit. It tells me my email address is already in use ! [..] The forum was moved to http://www.vcfed.org/forum/ recently, with all the original users and posts, and it looks like you registered April 29 last year. (search for yourself with site:www.vcfed.org/forum/ and you'll find your user) -Tor I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no user name no password or anything else to search with. Please repeat your message in understandable English Rod Smallwood
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
Hi Rod, Tor is right, you registered last year according to this: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/member.php?35160-Rod-Smallwood&tab=activitystream&type=user Cheers Adrian On 14 April 2016 at 15:04, Rod Smallwood wrote: > > > On 14/04/2016 14:39, Tor Arntsen wrote: > >> On 14 April 2016 at 09:45, Rod Smallwood >> wrote: >> >>> Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? >>> Its got walls like Mordor >>> >>> I thought I might register. I filled out their form (tedious) and hit >>> submit. >>> It tells me my email address is already in use ! >>> >> [..] >> >> The forum was moved to http://www.vcfed.org/forum/ recently, with all >> the original users and posts, and it looks like you registered April >> 29 last year. (search for yourself with site:www.vcfed.org/forum/ and >> you'll find your user) >> >> -Tor >> > I have no idea what you are talking about. > I have no user name no password or anything else to search with. > Please repeat your message in understandable English > > Rod Smallwood > > > -- adrian/witchy Owner of Binary Dinosaurs, the UK's biggest home computer collection? www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
Rod Smallwood wrote: I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no user name no password or anything else to search with. Please repeat your message in understandable English Rod Smallwood Try: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/member.php?35160-Rod-Smallwood Join Date April 29th, 2015 Last Activity November 12th, 2015 03:47 AM
H960 leveling feet
So there was a post awhile back that discussed replacement "leveling feet" for the stabilizing outrigger front feet on H960 cabinets (DEC's formal name for them is apparently "extension feet"); somone pointed out that one can buy such things, and gave some pointers. So I needed some, and here's the scoop: the threaded shaft on the leveling foot is 5/16"-18, and a suitable replacment part is Vlier FSE302S, available from in the US from MSC Industrial Supply: http://www.mscdirect.com/ (US$1.84 each + shipping). I have obtained some, and they fit OK, with two caveats: i) the round foot part is a significantly larger diameter than the DEC originals, but they do fit OK on neighbouring extension feet (i.e. on a pair of H960's, both with extension feet); and ii) the threaded part is somewhat longer than the originals, so even when wound fully up, there isn't a lot of room between the foot and the floor. (Of course one could trim the threaded shaft, but I'm lazy.. :-) Anyway, if anyone in Europe needs some, and can't find any over there, let me know, and I can obtain some and send them along. I also need some of the larger main leveling feet, but I haven't been able (yet) to find any. The threaded part is 7/16"-14, but nobody seems to make 7/16" these days? (Everyone who makes them now seems to go straight from 3/8" to 1/2".) Anyone know of a source for these, or a replacement? Thanks! Noel
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
2016-04-14 16:04 GMT+02:00 Rod Smallwood : > > > On 14/04/2016 14:39, Tor Arntsen wrote: > >> On 14 April 2016 at 09:45, Rod Smallwood >> wrote: >> >>> Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? >>> Its got walls like Mordor >>> >>> I thought I might register. I filled out their form (tedious) and hit >>> submit. >>> It tells me my email address is already in use ! >>> >> [..] >> >> The forum was moved to http://www.vcfed.org/forum/ recently, with all >> the original users and posts, and it looks like you registered April >> 29 last year. (search for yourself with site:www.vcfed.org/forum/ and >> you'll find your user) >> >> -Tor >> > I have no idea what you are talking about. > I have no user name no password or anything else to search with. > Please repeat your message in understandable English Not sure if it helps you but Google give this by searching for Rod Smallwood vcfed: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/member.php?35160-Rod-Smallwood&tab=activitystream&type=user which is what I guess Tor meant. /Mattis > > > Rod Smallwood > > >
OpenVMS CD-ROMs on eBay
Here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/391430322544 Sorry the notice is so short, I was going to do it a couple of days ago, and forgot. Noel
R: Getting an ibm as/400
I really doubt that it can be done, and the structure of the data is totally dissimilar from what you can see in windows/unix/vms. Moreover there are high chances of being on hw raid -Messaggio originale- Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Sam O'nella Inviato: giovedì 14 aprile 2016 15:48 A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Oggetto: Re: Getting an ibm as/400 Not sure about mounting the drive and reading the filesystem properly (not much bad could happen from trying) but that gives you the opportunity to back it up (dd) or to potentially hex edit the raw drive itself and overwrite the password hash with one you do know as long as its the exact same amount of characters. (Any different length of characters will shift the data that sectors are looking for ans corrupt the drive). Original message From: devin davison Date:04/13/2016 10:57 PM (GMT-06:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Subject: Re: Getting an ibm as/400 The size of two pc towers. I am trying to figure out how to log in. I tried the account qsecofr with pass qsecofr with no luck. I might actually have a licenced os on this thing, it is very different from anything i have worked with before. Not sure really where to go from here. The drives are scsi, are they in a standard filesystem format i could read in a seperate machine? On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: > Nice! I have a 170 (not up and running, no OS). Which variant do you have. > Is it > about the size of a PC tower or or two PC towers next to each other? > > /P > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:09:02PM -0400, devin davison wrote: > > Alright. Picked up the machine today. Much smaller than expected, > > but everything needed seems to be included. I got a terminal as well > > as a box of cables. I managed to boot the machine up to the login > > screen. However > I > > do not know the username or password. I was speaking with someone on > > the phone that was quite knowlegable, they said that after 3 > > attempts to > login > > it becomes a potato. What do i do from here. I am going to try and > contact > > the original owners, however i believe they are unwilling to help. > > Im > quite > > amazed the main drive was not wiped. Anyhow, if i can not get the > password > > from the original owners, there does appear to be a working install > > on > the > > drives, how would I go about resetting the password to gain access > > to the machine? The machine is a ibm as/400e 170. > > > > pictures to follow once I find my camera. > > > > --Devin > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Mazzini Alessandro > wrote: > > > > > You had it easy. > > > > > > Once upon a time, a place I was working for decided to get a new > > > development as/400. The toy was 2x the 270 you mentioned (hd cage > > > taking one > side)... > > > and the shipping original ibm box upped the weight to dunno... > > > king > kong. > > > It didn't fit in the elevator, and anyway exceeded the max weight. > > > > > > The office was 2 floors up > > > > > > We pushed it up, I still have the nightmares > > > > > > -Messaggio originale- > > > Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org ] > > > Per > conto di Kevin > > > Monceaux > > > Inviato: mercoledì 13 aprile 2016 21:09 > > > A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > Oggetto: Re: Getting an ibm as/400 > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 01:26:29AM -0400, Ian Primus wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Jason T > wrote: > > > > > > > > In IBM-speak, it's a "Midrange." > > > > > > > > Which is a fancy word for "unusually heavy for its size". > > > > > > That's the truth. In a previous reply I mentioned I have a "small" > > > 9406-270 > > > in my living room. I found it listed on eBay. It was in New York. > I'm in > > > Central Texas. It was listed with a flat $50 shipping fee. From > > > the photos and shipping fee I was expecting something small enough > > > to be shipped > by > > > UPS > > > or FedEx. I made the seller an offer $50 less than the list price > which > > > they accepted, so I basically got free shipping. It was shipped > > > by UPS > > > - UPS Freight. There was no way UPS Fright could get down my > > > driveway > so I > > > had to pick it up at their terminal. Fortunately it was shipped > > > on a > tiny > > > pallet that just fit in the back of my mini-van. It looks like an > > > oversized tower PC, but is definitely unusually heavy for its > > > size. I have to > use a > > > dolly to move it around. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Kevin > > > http://www.RawFedDogs.net > > > http://www.Lassie.xyz > > > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org > > > Bruceville, TX > > > > > > What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! > > > Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum. > > > > > > >
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
Well somebody registered .. However that does not get me in.. I think I'll go back to doing the color layers for the 11/55 front panel. Its easier!! Rod Smallwood On 14/04/2016 15:15, Adrian Graham wrote: Hi Rod, Tor is right, you registered last year according to this: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/member.php?35160-Rod-Smallwood&tab=activitystream&type=user Cheers Adrian On 14 April 2016 at 15:04, Rod Smallwood wrote: On 14/04/2016 14:39, Tor Arntsen wrote: On 14 April 2016 at 09:45, Rod Smallwood wrote: Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? Its got walls like Mordor I thought I might register. I filled out their form (tedious) and hit submit. It tells me my email address is already in use ! [..] The forum was moved to http://www.vcfed.org/forum/ recently, with all the original users and posts, and it looks like you registered April 29 last year. (search for yourself with site:www.vcfed.org/forum/ and you'll find your user) -Tor I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no user name no password or anything else to search with. Please repeat your message in understandable English Rod Smallwood
Re: OpenVMS CD-ROMs on eBay
On Apr 14, 2016 7:20 AM, "Noel Chiappa" wrote: > > Here: > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/391430322544 > > Sorry the notice is so short, I was going to do it a couple of days > ago, and forgot. > > Noel The seller is an active well known member of this list. (Not me)
RE: Getting an ibm as/400
I don't think there is any point on imaging AS/400 drives. The original AS/400 OS had "single level storage" so basically a the disks were an extension to ram, or more that RAM is just a temporary disk buffer. SO just as a program in virtual memory can be spread across any location of physical memory, a "file" on an AS/400 can be spread across any number of disk sectors on any drive, which is probably why RAID is common. There is a less worse explanation here:- http://search400.techtarget.com/answer/Single-level-storage-in-the-AS-400 Dave G4UGM > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mazzini > Alessandro > Sent: 14 April 2016 15:24 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > > Subject: R: Getting an ibm as/400 > > I really doubt that it can be done, and the structure of the data is totally > dissimilar from what you can see in windows/unix/vms. > Moreover there are high chances of being on hw raid > > -Messaggio originale- > Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Sam O'nella > Inviato: giovedì 14 aprile 2016 15:48 > A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Oggetto: Re: Getting an ibm as/400 > > Not sure about mounting the drive and reading the filesystem properly (not > much bad could happen from trying) but that gives you the opportunity to > back it up (dd) or to potentially hex edit the raw drive itself and overwrite > the > password hash with one you do know as long as its the exact same amount > of characters. (Any different length of characters will shift the data that > sectors are looking for ans corrupt the drive). > > Original message From: devin davison > Date:04/13/2016 10:57 PM (GMT- > 06:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > Subject: Re: Getting an ibm as/400 > The size of two pc towers. I am trying to figure out how to > log in. I tried the account qsecofr with pass qsecofr with no luck. I might > actually have a licenced os on this thing, it is very different from anything > i > have worked with before. Not sure really where to go from here. > > The drives are scsi, are they in a standard filesystem format i could read in > a > seperate machine? > > On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Pontus Pihlgren > wrote: > > > Nice! I have a 170 (not up and running, no OS). Which variant do you have. > > Is it > > about the size of a PC tower or or two PC towers next to each other? > > > > /P > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:09:02PM -0400, devin davison wrote: > > > Alright. Picked up the machine today. Much smaller than expected, > > > but everything needed seems to be included. I got a terminal as well > > > as a box of cables. I managed to boot the machine up to the login > > > screen. However > > I > > > do not know the username or password. I was speaking with someone > on > > > the phone that was quite knowlegable, they said that after 3 > > > attempts to > > login > > > it becomes a potato. What do i do from here. I am going to try and > > contact > > > the original owners, however i believe they are unwilling to help. > > > Im > > quite > > > amazed the main drive was not wiped. Anyhow, if i can not get the > > password > > > from the original owners, there does appear to be a working install > > > on > > the > > > drives, how would I go about resetting the password to gain access > > > to the machine? The machine is a ibm as/400e 170. > > > > > > pictures to follow once I find my camera. > > > > > > --Devin > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Mazzini Alessandro > > wrote: > > > > > > > You had it easy. > > > > > > > > Once upon a time, a place I was working for decided to get a new > > > > development as/400. The toy was 2x the 270 you mentioned (hd cage > > > > taking one > > side)... > > > > and the shipping original ibm box upped the weight to dunno... > > > > king > > kong. > > > > It didn't fit in the elevator, and anyway exceeded the max weight. > > > > > > > > The office was 2 floors up > > > > > > > > We pushed it up, I still have the nightmares > > > > > > > > -Messaggio originale- > > > > Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org ] > > > > Per > > conto di Kevin > > > > Monceaux > > > > Inviato: mercoledì 13 aprile 2016 21:09 > > > > A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > > Oggetto: Re: Getting an ibm as/400 > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 01:26:29AM -0400, Ian Primus wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Jason T > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In IBM-speak, it's a "Midrange." > > > > > > > > > > Which is a fancy word for "unusually heavy for its size". > > > > > > > > That's the truth. In a previous reply I mentioned I have a "small" > > > > 9406-270 > > > > in my living room. I found it listed on eBay. It was in New York. > > I'm in > > > > Central Texas. It was listed with a flat $50 shipping fee. From > > > > the phot
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
I give up !!! I still have no idea how to register All I wanted to do was to put up some links to my latest DEC front panels Rod Smallwood On 14/04/2016 15:19, Mattis Lind wrote: 2016-04-14 16:04 GMT+02:00 Rod Smallwood : On 14/04/2016 14:39, Tor Arntsen wrote: On 14 April 2016 at 09:45, Rod Smallwood wrote: Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? Its got walls like Mordor I thought I might register. I filled out their form (tedious) and hit submit. It tells me my email address is already in use ! [..] The forum was moved to http://www.vcfed.org/forum/ recently, with all the original users and posts, and it looks like you registered April 29 last year. (search for yourself with site:www.vcfed.org/forum/ and you'll find your user) -Tor I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no user name no password or anything else to search with. Please repeat your message in understandable English Not sure if it helps you but Google give this by searching for Rod Smallwood vcfed: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/member.php?35160-Rod-Smallwood&tab=activitystream&type=user which is what I guess Tor meant. /Mattis Rod Smallwood
Re: Getting an ibm as/400
Also, DD won't work on those disks; you'll have to use sg_utils and use raw SCSI commands to dump the disks. Linux DD uses the system calls to read block devices, and interestingly enough, they only support multiples of 512b for sector size on that. Dumping those disks isn't impossible, but you need the right tooling. Yvan On Thursday, 14 April 2016, Dave Wade wrote: > I don't think there is any point on imaging AS/400 drives. The original > AS/400 OS had "single level storage" so basically a the disks were an > extension to ram, or more that RAM is just a temporary disk buffer. SO just > as a program in virtual memory can be spread across any location of > physical memory, a "file" on an AS/400 can be spread across any number of > disk sectors on any drive, which is probably why RAID is common. There is a > less worse explanation here:- > > http://search400.techtarget.com/answer/Single-level-storage-in-the-AS-400 > > Dave > G4UGM > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org ] On > Behalf Of Mazzini > > Alessandro > > Sent: 14 April 2016 15:24 > > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > > > > > Subject: R: Getting an ibm as/400 > > > > I really doubt that it can be done, and the structure of the data is > totally > > dissimilar from what you can see in windows/unix/vms. > > Moreover there are high chances of being on hw raid > > > > -Messaggio originale- > > Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org ] Per > conto di Sam O'nella > > Inviato: giovedì 14 aprile 2016 15:48 > > A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Oggetto: Re: Getting an ibm as/400 > > > > Not sure about mounting the drive and reading the filesystem properly > (not > > much bad could happen from trying) but that gives you the opportunity to > > back it up (dd) or to potentially hex edit the raw drive itself and > overwrite the > > password hash with one you do know as long as its the exact same amount > > of characters. (Any different length of characters will shift the data > that > > sectors are looking for ans corrupt the drive). > > > > Original message From: devin davison > > > Date:04/13/2016 10:57 > PM (GMT- > > 06:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > > Subject: Re: Getting > an ibm as/400 > > The size of two pc towers. I am trying to figure out > how to > > log in. I tried the account qsecofr with pass qsecofr with no luck. I > might > > actually have a licenced os on this thing, it is very different from > anything i > > have worked with before. Not sure really where to go from here. > > > > The drives are scsi, are they in a standard filesystem format i could > read in a > > seperate machine? > > > > On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Pontus Pihlgren > > > wrote: > > > > > Nice! I have a 170 (not up and running, no OS). Which variant do you > have. > > > Is it > > > about the size of a PC tower or or two PC towers next to each other? > > > > > > /P > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:09:02PM -0400, devin davison wrote: > > > > Alright. Picked up the machine today. Much smaller than expected, > > > > but everything needed seems to be included. I got a terminal as well > > > > as a box of cables. I managed to boot the machine up to the login > > > > screen. However > > > I > > > > do not know the username or password. I was speaking with someone > > on > > > > the phone that was quite knowlegable, they said that after 3 > > > > attempts to > > > login > > > > it becomes a potato. What do i do from here. I am going to try and > > > contact > > > > the original owners, however i believe they are unwilling to help. > > > > Im > > > quite > > > > amazed the main drive was not wiped. Anyhow, if i can not get the > > > password > > > > from the original owners, there does appear to be a working install > > > > on > > > the > > > > drives, how would I go about resetting the password to gain access > > > > to the machine? The machine is a ibm as/400e 170. > > > > > > > > pictures to follow once I find my camera. > > > > > > > > --Devin > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Mazzini Alessandro > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > You had it easy. > > > > > > > > > > Once upon a time, a place I was working for decided to get a new > > > > > development as/400. The toy was 2x the 270 you mentioned (hd cage > > > > > taking one > > > side)... > > > > > and the shipping original ibm box upped the weight to dunno... > > > > > king > > > kong. > > > > > It didn't fit in the elevator, and anyway exceeded the max weight. > > > > > > > > > > The office was 2 floors up > > > > > > > > > > We pushed it up, I still have the nightmares > > > > > > > > > > -Messaggio originale- > > > > > Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org > ] > > > > > Per > > > conto di Kevin > > > > > Monceaux > > > > > Inviato: mercoledì 13 aprile 2016 21:09 > > > > > A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic
Re: Getting an ibm as/400
Well, I removed quite a lot of QSECOFR passwords... Try to boot in manual mode, 01 B M and follow this... http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=nas8N1019462 Resetting QSECOFR with an Attended IPL Hoping that DST password is still QSECOFR/QSECOFR (usually it is so)
RE: Vintage Computer Forum
You must have registered on the old site, and forgotten, Go to http://www.vcfed.org/forum/login.php?do=lostpw put in your e-mail address, follow the instructions to recover user name and password. Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod > Smallwood > Sent: 14 April 2016 15:34 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Vintage Computer Forum > > I give up !!! > I still have no idea how to register > > All I wanted to do was to put up some links to my latest DEC front panels > > Rod Smallwood > > > On 14/04/2016 15:19, Mattis Lind wrote: > > 2016-04-14 16:04 GMT+02:00 Rod Smallwood > : > > > >> > >> On 14/04/2016 14:39, Tor Arntsen wrote: > >> > >>> On 14 April 2016 at 09:45, Rod Smallwood > >>> > >>> wrote: > >>> > Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? > Its got walls like Mordor > > I thought I might register. I filled out their form (tedious) and > hit submit. > It tells me my email address is already in use ! > > >>> [..] > >>> > >>> The forum was moved to http://www.vcfed.org/forum/ recently, with > >>> all the original users and posts, and it looks like you registered > >>> April > >>> 29 last year. (search for yourself with site:www.vcfed.org/forum/ > >>> and you'll find your user) > >>> > >>> -Tor > >>> > >> I have no idea what you are talking about. > >> I have no user name no password or anything else to search with. > >> Please repeat your message in understandable English > > > > Not sure if it helps you but Google give this by searching for Rod > > Smallwood vcfed: > > > > http://www.vcfed.org/forum/member.php?35160-Rod- > Smallwood&tab=activity > > stream&type=user > > > > which is what I guess Tor meant. > > > > /Mattis > > > > > >> > >> Rod Smallwood > >> > >> > >>
RE: DEC Legacy UK show
It is a very informal event, organised by Mark in his own time. He has family and work commitments like all of us, so I expect he has not been able to find the time. Regards Rob Sent from my Windows 10 phone From: Rod Smallwood Sent: 14 April 2016 15:09 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: DEC Legacy UK show So why did it say See you in 2016? On 14/04/2016 15:03, Dave Wade wrote: > I thought Mark was only aiming for every two years. > >> -Original Message- >> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod >> Smallwood >> Sent: 14 April 2016 14:14 >> To: General Discussion: On-Topic Posts >> Subject: DEC Legacy UK show >> >> DEC Legacy UK show >> >> Where did it go ? >> 2015 then nothing >> >> Rod Smallwood >> >
RE: Getting an ibm as/400
I agree little point in imaging. First step: password guess; try logging in to account QSECOFR password QSECOFR; you may luck out and find it is the default. If that fails do a DST IPL (Google it) and use the DST QSECOFR account (NOT the same as the system QSECOFR account!) to reset the system QSECOFR password. You may luck out and find that even if they've changed the system QSECOFR password from the default, the DST QSECOFR still works. If that fails you're down to a partial reinstall - 'slipping the LIC' as Benjamin described. There IS a way of breaking into a System/36 by patching specific sectors and offsets on the disk; I have it written down somewhere. But I know of no analogous procedure for AS/400. Mike On Apr 14, 2016 10:06 AM, "Benjamin Huntsman" < bhunts...@mail2.cu-portland.edu> wrote: Get the SLIC cd (or tape), and do a D-mode manual IPL. Reinstall (DO NOT select the option to install and initialize). This is generally referred to as "slipping the LIC". You can re-install it without trashing the OS. That'll get you into DST, where you can reset the password. What version of the OS does is currently installed? -Ben
R: Re: Getting an ibm as/400
Yes. I had an AS/400 disk with too many grown defects. I imaged it with sg_utils and transferred the content back to an identical disk. It booted flawlessly...
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
Tried that again same result no email. Rod On 14/04/2016 15:49, Dave Wade wrote: You must have registered on the old site, and forgotten, Go to http://www.vcfed.org/forum/login.php?do=lostpw put in your e-mail address, follow the instructions to recover user name and password. Dave -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood Sent: 14 April 2016 15:34 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Vintage Computer Forum I give up !!! I still have no idea how to register All I wanted to do was to put up some links to my latest DEC front panels Rod Smallwood On 14/04/2016 15:19, Mattis Lind wrote: 2016-04-14 16:04 GMT+02:00 Rod Smallwood : On 14/04/2016 14:39, Tor Arntsen wrote: On 14 April 2016 at 09:45, Rod Smallwood wrote: Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? Its got walls like Mordor I thought I might register. I filled out their form (tedious) and hit submit. It tells me my email address is already in use ! [..] The forum was moved to http://www.vcfed.org/forum/ recently, with all the original users and posts, and it looks like you registered April 29 last year. (search for yourself with site:www.vcfed.org/forum/ and you'll find your user) -Tor I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no user name no password or anything else to search with. Please repeat your message in understandable English Not sure if it helps you but Google give this by searching for Rod Smallwood vcfed: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/member.php?35160-Rod- Smallwood&tab=activity stream&type=user which is what I guess Tor meant. /Mattis Rod Smallwood
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
On 04/14/2016 12:45 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: > Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? Its got walls like > Mordor For the life of me, I don't understand why the old VC Forum URL simply doesn't automatically redirect to the new one. --Chuck
Re: Getting an ibm as/400
> From: Dave Wade > just as a program in virtual memory can be spread across any location > of physical memory, a "file" on an AS/400 can be spread across any > number of disk sectors on any drive Yes, but the same thing is basically true of most conventional file systems, e.g. various Unix/Linux file systems (although on most of those, files aren't spread across multiple drives, but there have been file systems that did that). > The original AS/400 OS had "single level storage" so basically the > disks were an extension to ram, or more that RAM is just a temporary > disk buffer. But that description is, in some sense, just what classic virtual memory (paging) does. The crucial difference is in what the _user sees_: in a normal virtual memory system, a process' address space is a simple one-dimensional array of bytes/words. In a single-level-store (sometimes called 'segmentation'), a process' address space is two dimensional: segment along one axis, address within segment along the other: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single-level_store Of course, one can have segmentation (in the sense of 'what the process sees') _without_ virtual memory (either paging, or swapping entire segments), but most systems that implemented segmentation also did virtual memory too; Multics, and the family of IBM systems of which the AS/400 is a later member, both did. Noel
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
I just tried that and as before nothing... I checked the date and on that day last year I was nowhere near a computer. On 14/04/2016 15:49, Dave Wade wrote: You must have registered on the old site, and forgotten, Go to http://www.vcfed.org/forum/login.php?do=lostpw put in your e-mail address, follow the instructions to recover user name and password. Dave -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood Sent: 14 April 2016 15:34 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Vintage Computer Forum I give up !!! I still have no idea how to register All I wanted to do was to put up some links to my latest DEC front panels Rod Smallwood On 14/04/2016 15:19, Mattis Lind wrote: 2016-04-14 16:04 GMT+02:00 Rod Smallwood : On 14/04/2016 14:39, Tor Arntsen wrote: On 14 April 2016 at 09:45, Rod Smallwood wrote: Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? Its got walls like Mordor I thought I might register. I filled out their form (tedious) and hit submit. It tells me my email address is already in use ! [..] The forum was moved to http://www.vcfed.org/forum/ recently, with all the original users and posts, and it looks like you registered April 29 last year. (search for yourself with site:www.vcfed.org/forum/ and you'll find your user) -Tor I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no user name no password or anything else to search with. Please repeat your message in understandable English Not sure if it helps you but Google give this by searching for Rod Smallwood vcfed: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/member.php?35160-Rod- Smallwood&tab=activity stream&type=user which is what I guess Tor meant. /Mattis Rod Smallwood
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
It would appear the transition did not go well. I thinks I registered when I had not. I keep getting told to recover my non existent user name and password. So I put in my email address as asked and of course it doesn't send anything because there is nothing to send. Rod On 14/04/2016 16:23, Chuck Guzis wrote: On 04/14/2016 12:45 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? Its got walls like Mordor For the life of me, I don't understand why the old VC Forum URL simply doesn't automatically redirect to the new one. --Chuck
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
On 14 April 2016 at 17:45, Rod Smallwood wrote: > So I put in my email address as asked and of course it doesn't send > anything because there is nothing to send. Rod, I note that on the list you've used 2 different email addresses: rodsmallw...@btconnect.com & rodsmallwoo...@btinternet.com Do you still have access to both? Is it possible that you used the older of the 2? -- Liam Proven • Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@cix.co.uk • GMail/G+/Twitter/Flickr/Facebook: lproven MSN: lpro...@hotmail.com • Skype/AIM/Yahoo/LinkedIn: liamproven Cell/Mobiles: +44 7939-087884 (UK) • +420 702 829 053 (ČR)
Re: OpenVMS CD-ROMs on eBay
On 14/04/16 15:29, Glen Slick wrote: On Apr 14, 2016 7:20 AM, "Noel Chiappa" wrote: Here: http://www.ebay.com/itm/391430322544 Sorry the notice is so short, I was going to do it a couple of days ago, and forgot. Noel The seller is an active well known member of this list. (Not me) Only $67 shipping to the UK :-) I probably have enough of those to keep me going anyway. The black and silver ones are likely to be older (and therefore perhaps more interesting) than the red and white ones. Antonio -- Antonio Carlini arcarl...@iee.org
Re: Xerox Alto on eBay
On 4/13/16 7:52 PM, jwsmobile wrote: > Side discussion on Facebook says that media is rare too. None with the > system (I think) from the discussion there. > I have tons of it. They are 12 sector 2315 packs. You have to duplicate it on a two drive Alto, since the format is unique. I've heard LCM has written some code to load it from the Alto pack images that I created. Dug out my list of serial numbers, and it isn't one that I've seen before. It probably is a 3K XM unit, but who knows, since the seller is clueless, and doesn't know the installed card compliment is critical to getting it running. It's pretty much impossible to get a broken one running without a known good card set to isolate problems with, since it was assumed that debugging would be done with the shop test Alto that had special hardware debug sauce. I'm also assuming whoever has it reads this list, since the BIN just happens to match what I've been offered for the machines that I still have.
RE: Vintage Computer Forum
BT Being aggressive with its SPAM filters? Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod > Smallwood > Sent: 14 April 2016 16:19 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: Vintage Computer Forum > > Tried that again same result no email. > Rod > > > On 14/04/2016 15:49, Dave Wade wrote: > > You must have registered on the old site, and forgotten, > > > > Go to > > > > http://www.vcfed.org/forum/login.php?do=lostpw > > > > > > put in your e-mail address, follow the instructions to recover user name and > password. > > > > Dave > > > > > >> -Original Message- > >> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod > >> Smallwood > >> Sent: 14 April 2016 15:34 > >> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > >> > >> Subject: Re: Vintage Computer Forum > >> > >> I give up !!! > >> I still have no idea how to register > >> > >> All I wanted to do was to put up some links to my latest DEC front > >> panels > >> > >> Rod Smallwood > >> > >> > >> On 14/04/2016 15:19, Mattis Lind wrote: > >>> 2016-04-14 16:04 GMT+02:00 Rod Smallwood > >> : > On 14/04/2016 14:39, Tor Arntsen wrote: > > > On 14 April 2016 at 09:45, Rod Smallwood > > > > wrote: > > > >> Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? > >> Its got walls like Mordor > >> > >> I thought I might register. I filled out their form (tedious) and > >> hit submit. > >> It tells me my email address is already in use ! > >> > > [..] > > > > The forum was moved to http://www.vcfed.org/forum/ recently, with > > all the original users and posts, and it looks like you registered > > April > > 29 last year. (search for yourself with site:www.vcfed.org/forum/ > > and you'll find your user) > > > > -Tor > > > I have no idea what you are talking about. > I have no user name no password or anything else to search with. > Please repeat your message in understandable English > >>> Not sure if it helps you but Google give this by searching for Rod > >>> Smallwood vcfed: > >>> > >>> http://www.vcfed.org/forum/member.php?35160-Rod- > >> Smallwood&tab=activity > >>> stream&type=user > >>> > >>> which is what I guess Tor meant. > >>> > >>> /Mattis > >>> > >>> > Rod Smallwood > > > > >
RE: Xerox Alto on eBay
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Al Kossow > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 9:22 AM > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Xerox Alto on eBay > > > > On 4/13/16 7:52 PM, jwsmobile wrote: > > > Side discussion on Facebook says that media is rare too. None with > > the system (I think) from the discussion there. > > > > I have tons of it. They are 12 sector 2315 packs. > You have to duplicate it on a two drive Alto, since the format is unique. I've > heard LCM has written some code to load it from the Alto pack images that I > created. Yes, we're able to duplicate packs and write new ones out from disk images. (At the moment it's kind of cumbersome -- involving a PDP-11/44 with a 3mbit Ethernet board, a seriously hacked 2.11BSD kernel and a bit of luck -- but we're working on a more elegant solution.) If anyone out there ends up with a working Alto and needs working media, we can help out in that regard (assuming you provide usable packs). - Josh Sr. Vintage Software Engineer Living Computer Museum www.livingcomputermuseum.org
Re: Xerox Alto on eBay
On 4/14/16 9:55 AM, Josh Dersch wrote: > If anyone out there ends up with a working Alto and needs working media, we > can help out in that regard (assuming you provide usable packs). Have you ever gotten a pack from an RK05 to write? I've tried a couple of times without luck and have wondered if they needed to be bulk-erased first.
RE: Xerox Alto on eBay
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Al Kossow > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 9:58 AM > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Xerox Alto on eBay > > > > On 4/14/16 9:55 AM, Josh Dersch wrote: > > If anyone out there ends up with a working Alto and needs working media, > we can help out in that regard (assuming you provide usable packs). > > Have you ever gotten a pack from an RK05 to write? > > I've tried a couple of times without luck and have wondered if they needed > to be bulk-erased first. > Yes, I've re-used a handful of 12-sector packs formerly used on a PDP-11 in an RK05 without any issues. I suppose it might be possible that if the alignments of the Diablo in the Alto and the RK05 used to write the pack originally are off by enough that there could be some odd issues (old data left halfway between the new tracks?) but that's purely speculation on my part. Bulk erasing certainly couldn't hurt. - Josh
Re: Xerox Alto on eBay
On 4/14/16 9:22 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > I'm also assuming whoever has it reads this list, since the BIN just > happens to match what I've been offered for the machines that I still > have. > In restored condition..
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
Hi I don't think so. Actually I should look in the junk folder Nope nuffin in there. Whoever is running this site should just delete my account and let me start as a new user. Rod On 14/04/2016 17:40, Dave Wade wrote: BT Being aggressive with its SPAM filters? Dave -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood Sent: 14 April 2016 16:19 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Vintage Computer Forum Tried that again same result no email. Rod On 14/04/2016 15:49, Dave Wade wrote: You must have registered on the old site, and forgotten, Go to http://www.vcfed.org/forum/login.php?do=lostpw put in your e-mail address, follow the instructions to recover user name and password. Dave -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Rod Smallwood Sent: 14 April 2016 15:34 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Vintage Computer Forum I give up !!! I still have no idea how to register All I wanted to do was to put up some links to my latest DEC front panels Rod Smallwood On 14/04/2016 15:19, Mattis Lind wrote: 2016-04-14 16:04 GMT+02:00 Rod Smallwood : On 14/04/2016 14:39, Tor Arntsen wrote: On 14 April 2016 at 09:45, Rod Smallwood wrote: Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? Its got walls like Mordor I thought I might register. I filled out their form (tedious) and hit submit. It tells me my email address is already in use ! [..] The forum was moved to http://www.vcfed.org/forum/ recently, with all the original users and posts, and it looks like you registered April 29 last year. (search for yourself with site:www.vcfed.org/forum/ and you'll find your user) -Tor I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no user name no password or anything else to search with. Please repeat your message in understandable English Not sure if it helps you but Google give this by searching for Rod Smallwood vcfed: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/member.php?35160-Rod- Smallwood&tab=activity stream&type=user which is what I guess Tor meant. /Mattis Rod Smallwood
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
It wasn't me! On 14/04/2016 15:15, Oliver Lehmann wrote: Rod Smallwood wrote: I have no idea what you are talking about. I have no user name no password or anything else to search with. Please repeat your message in understandable English Rod Smallwood Try: http://www.vcfed.org/forum/member.php?35160-Rod-Smallwood Join Date April 29th, 2015 Last Activity November 12th, 2015 03:47 AM
Re: Xerox Alto on eBay
> From: Josh Dersch >> They are 12 sector 2315 packs. You have to duplicate it on a two drive >> Alto, since the format is unique. > we're able to duplicate packs and write new ones out from disk images. > (At the moment it's kind of cumbersome -- involving a PDP-11/44 with a > 3mbit Ethernet board, a seriously hacked 2.11BSD kernel and a bit of > luck You mean the RK11 controller can write packs that the Alto disk controller can read? (As in, the low-level format - preamble, sector header, sector checksum, etc, etc are all identical?) Wow, I never knew that - that would have been a useful thing to know BITD - we had both at MIT (we got the Altos as part of the 3-university Xerox grant), and although I'm not sure we really needed to be able to transfer bits from one kind of machine to another, it might have been useful for something or other. We did send a lot of files over the network to an Alto, but it was the Dover printer spooler machine - using a disk pack for that function wasn't really an option! :-) Noel
Re: Xerox Alto on eBay
> > On Apr 14, 2016, at 12:05 PM, Josh Dersch > wrote: > >> -Original Message- >> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Al Kossow >> Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 9:58 AM >> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org >> Subject: Re: Xerox Alto on eBay >> >> >> >> On 4/14/16 9:55 AM, Josh Dersch wrote: >>> If anyone out there ends up with a working Alto and needs working media, >> we can help out in that regard (assuming you provide usable packs). >> >> Have you ever gotten a pack from an RK05 to write? >> >> I've tried a couple of times without luck and have wondered if they needed >> to be bulk-erased first. >> > > Yes, I've re-used a handful of 12-sector packs formerly used on a PDP-11 in > an RK05 without any issues. I suppose it might be possible that if the > alignments of the Diablo in the Alto and the RK05 used to write the pack > originally are off by enough that there could be some odd issues (old data > left halfway between the new tracks?) but that's purely speculation on my > part. Bulk erasing certainly couldn't hurt. > > - Josh > We used to swap packs between Diablo’s and RK05’s all the time. We had third party Qbus controller (18bit!) on an 11/73 and an RK11D on a PDP11/34. Never had an interchange problem. Jerry
Re: Xerox Alto on eBay
On Apr 14, 2016, at 12:28 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > >> From: Josh Dersch > >>> They are 12 sector 2315 packs. You have to duplicate it on a two drive >>> Alto, since the format is unique. > >> we're able to duplicate packs and write new ones out from disk images. >> (At the moment it's kind of cumbersome -- involving a PDP-11/44 with a >> 3mbit Ethernet board, a seriously hacked 2.11BSD kernel and a bit of >> luck > > You mean the RK11 controller can write packs that the Alto disk controller > can read? (As in, the low-level format - preamble, sector header, sector > checksum, etc, etc are all identical?) > > Wow, I never knew that - that would have been a useful thing to know BITD - > we had both at MIT (we got the Altos as part of the 3-university Xerox > grant), and although I'm not sure we really needed to be able to transfer > bits from one kind of machine to another, it might have been useful for > something or other. > > We did send a lot of files over the network to an Alto, but it was the Dover > printer spooler machine - using a disk pack for that function wasn't really an > option! :-) > > Noel Not only that, but we used Diablo Drives on RK05 Controllers. If you had a mix of Diablo and RK05 drives, the order and termination was a bit tricky but it worked.
RE: Xerox Alto on eBay
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Noel > Chiappa > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 10:28 AM > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > Cc: j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu > Subject: Re: Xerox Alto on eBay > > > From: Josh Dersch > > >> They are 12 sector 2315 packs. You have to duplicate it on a two drive > >> Alto, since the format is unique. > > > we're able to duplicate packs and write new ones out from disk images. > > (At the moment it's kind of cumbersome -- involving a PDP-11/44 with a > > 3mbit Ethernet board, a seriously hacked 2.11BSD kernel and a bit of > > luck > > You mean the RK11 controller can write packs that the Alto disk controller can > read? (As in, the low-level format - preamble, sector header, sector > checksum, etc, etc are all identical?) No, they're as different as can be. The key is that we have a Xerox UNIBUS 3Mbit Ethernet board in the 11/44 (kindly provided by Al.) I modified the 2.11BSD kernel to support the 3Mbit board (there's already technically a driver but it was incredibly broken and I'm not sure it ever actually ran on a PDP-11), added support for reading/writing raw Ethernet packets using BSD sockets (and added support for that to the DEUNA/DELUA driver as well) and wrote a rough implementation of PUP BSP and the Alto CopyDisk protocol on top of all of that. It was fun! So we copy disk images to/from the PDP-11/44 over 3Mbit Ethernet to the Alto :). - Josh
Re: Xerox Alto on eBay
> From: Josh Dersch > we copy disk images to/from the PDP-11/44 over 3Mbit Ethernet to the > Alto :). Ah, got it. In the context of the thread, with all the RK05 discussion, I wrongly assumed that somehow there was an RK05 involved. > wrote a rough implementation of PUP BSP and the Alto CopyDisk protocol > on top of all of that. It was fun! I can imagine! You must be the first person in about 30 years to do a PUP implementation! :-) > From: Jerry Weiss > Not only that, but we used Diablo Drives on RK05 Controllers. That doesn't surprise me one bit - the RK11-C was designed to drive Diablo drives, and the controller/drive interface was kept almost identical in the RK11-D (the only difference being the drive select stuff). But the drive (either RK05 or Diablo) only provides a bit stream and sector pulses over that interface, so turning that bit string into a sector is controller-specific, and it would have been somewhat astonishing if the PDP-11 and Alto interfaces had used a compatible low-level format. And, as Josh indicated, in fact, they did not. Noel
Panel Shipmnets
Hi Guys All outstanding PDP-8/e A and B front panels have shipped and should reach US customers around 20/21 March. Next to go will be 8/f and /m. I'm building up stock so as to have at least ten of all of the popular range available. By some miracle we did manage to same day ship a stock panel order to a UK customer. He got it the next day. He nearly had a fit .. He thought we were in the US!! Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
Vintage Computer Festivals???
Is there ever any Vintage Computer Festivals in Oklahoma? If not How would I go about setting one up in Tulsa? I can have use of any of the buildings at the fairgrounds...? -- * *
RE: Xerox Alto on eBay
On Apr 14, 2016 1:34 PM, "Josh Dersch" wrote: > So we copy disk images to/from the PDP-11/44 over 3Mbit Ethernet to the Alto :). > > - Josh > Quite a hack! So you copy in real time as it were? Direct from packs on a running Alto to packs on a running 11? Would it be practical to hack it further to capture the data to an image file so anyone with an 11 / RK combo could write packs? I have 6085s and Stars; I'd love an Alto to round out the collection - but not at $40k! Crazy prices these days; I've never paid more than a couple of grand for anything - and usually a lot less. Mike
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
- Original Message - From: "Chuck Guzis" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Vintage Computer Forum > On 04/14/2016 12:45 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: >> Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? Its got walls like >> Mordor > > For the life of me, I don't understand why the old VC Forum URL simply > doesn't automatically redirect to the new one. > > --Chuck > It does for me. www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/ >> http://www.vcfed.org/forum/activity.php Sounds like someone else with Rod's name is already registered. Rod, send me what you want to say and I'll post it in the DEC forum on your behalf. mike
RE: Xerox Alto on eBay
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mike Ross > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:54 AM > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: RE: Xerox Alto on eBay > > On Apr 14, 2016 1:34 PM, "Josh Dersch" > > wrote: > > > So we copy disk images to/from the PDP-11/44 over 3Mbit Ethernet to > > the > Alto :). > > > > - Josh > > > > Quite a hack! So you copy in real time as it were? Direct from packs on a > running Alto to packs on a running 11? Would it be practical to hack it > further > to capture the data to an image file so anyone with an 11 / RK combo could > write packs? No, I copy from an image file on the 2.11BSD filesystem on the 11 to a disk pack on the Alto -- the Alto's disk controller and Diablo drive do all the actual formatting/writing. The RK11 controllers have a completely different format from the Alto. > > I have 6085s and Stars; I'd love an Alto to round out the collection - but > not at > $40k! Crazy prices these days; I've never paid more than a couple of grand for > anything - and usually a lot less. Me too, but I think I'll just have to dream about it. I've been working on a project though... - Josh > > Mike
Re: Xerox Alto on eBay
$40K and the guy can't even be arsed to take pictures. What a dick... On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Josh Dersch < jo...@livingcomputermuseum.org> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mike > Ross > > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:54 AM > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: RE: Xerox Alto on eBay > > > > On Apr 14, 2016 1:34 PM, "Josh Dersch" > > > > wrote: > > > > > So we copy disk images to/from the PDP-11/44 over 3Mbit Ethernet to > > > the > > Alto :). > > > > > > - Josh > > > > > > > Quite a hack! So you copy in real time as it were? Direct from packs on a > > running Alto to packs on a running 11? Would it be practical to hack it > further > > to capture the data to an image file so anyone with an 11 / RK combo > could > > write packs? > > No, I copy from an image file on the 2.11BSD filesystem on the 11 to a > disk pack on the Alto -- the Alto's disk controller and Diablo drive do all > the actual formatting/writing. The RK11 controllers have a completely > different format from the Alto. > > > > > I have 6085s and Stars; I'd love an Alto to round out the collection - > but not at > > $40k! Crazy prices these days; I've never paid more than a couple of > grand for > > anything - and usually a lot less. > > Me too, but I think I'll just have to dream about it. I've been working > on a project though... > > - Josh > > > > > > Mike > -- Ian Finder (206) 395-MIPS ian.fin...@gmail.com
Re: Xerox Alto on eBay
There are pics - scroll right from the first pic - the one borrowed from the internet. On Apr 14, 2016 3:50 PM, "Ian Finder" wrote: > $40K and the guy can't even be arsed to take pictures. What a dick... > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Josh Dersch < > jo...@livingcomputermuseum.org> wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mike > > Ross > > > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:54 AM > > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > Subject: RE: Xerox Alto on eBay > > > > > > On Apr 14, 2016 1:34 PM, "Josh Dersch" > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > So we copy disk images to/from the PDP-11/44 over 3Mbit Ethernet to > > > > the > > > Alto :). > > > > > > > > - Josh > > > > > > > > > > Quite a hack! So you copy in real time as it were? Direct from packs > on a > > > running Alto to packs on a running 11? Would it be practical to hack it > > further > > > to capture the data to an image file so anyone with an 11 / RK combo > > could > > > write packs? > > > > No, I copy from an image file on the 2.11BSD filesystem on the 11 to a > > disk pack on the Alto -- the Alto's disk controller and Diablo drive do > all > > the actual formatting/writing. The RK11 controllers have a completely > > different format from the Alto. > > > > > > > > I have 6085s and Stars; I'd love an Alto to round out the collection - > > but not at > > > $40k! Crazy prices these days; I've never paid more than a couple of > > grand for > > > anything - and usually a lot less. > > > > Me too, but I think I'll just have to dream about it. I've been working > > on a project though... > > > > - Josh > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > -- >Ian Finder >(206) 395-MIPS >ian.fin...@gmail.com >
Re: Xerox Alto on eBay
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 1:24 PM, Mike Ross wrote: >> There are pics - scroll right from the first pic - the one borrowed from the internet. I meant Cardcage / internal pictures which I know more than a few people on this list have asked for... On Apr 14, 2016 3:50 PM, "Ian Finder" wrote: > > > $40K and the guy can't even be arsed to take pictures. What a dick... > > > > On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 12:31 PM, Josh Dersch < > > jo...@livingcomputermuseum.org> wrote: > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of > Mike > > > Ross > > > > Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:54 AM > > > > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > > > Subject: RE: Xerox Alto on eBay > > > > > > > > On Apr 14, 2016 1:34 PM, "Josh Dersch" > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > So we copy disk images to/from the PDP-11/44 over 3Mbit Ethernet to > > > > > the > > > > Alto :). > > > > > > > > > > - Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quite a hack! So you copy in real time as it were? Direct from packs > > on a > > > > running Alto to packs on a running 11? Would it be practical to hack > it > > > further > > > > to capture the data to an image file so anyone with an 11 / RK combo > > > could > > > > write packs? > > > > > > No, I copy from an image file on the 2.11BSD filesystem on the 11 to a > > > disk pack on the Alto -- the Alto's disk controller and Diablo drive do > > all > > > the actual formatting/writing. The RK11 controllers have a completely > > > different format from the Alto. > > > > > > > > > > > I have 6085s and Stars; I'd love an Alto to round out the > collection - > > > but not at > > > > $40k! Crazy prices these days; I've never paid more than a couple of > > > grand for > > > > anything - and usually a lot less. > > > > > > Me too, but I think I'll just have to dream about it. I've been > working > > > on a project though... > > > > > > - Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mike > > > > > > > > > > > -- > >Ian Finder > >(206) 395-MIPS > >ian.fin...@gmail.com > > > -- Ian Finder (206) 395-MIPS ian.fin...@gmail.com
Re: Vintage Computer Festivals???
Is there ever any Vintage Computer Festivals in Oklahoma? If not How would I go about setting one up in Tulsa? I can have use of any of the buildings at the fairgrounds...? Make like a shoe... and do it! -- Ethan O'Toole
VCF Southeast Video Channel
Our presentation series during VCF-SE events has been recorded from the 1.0 event to the 4.0 event which happened two weeks ago. In the past, good intentions to get videos edited and posted in a timely manor have been out-weighed by real-life demands. I'm hoping to break the cycle starting this year. Below is the first video from the 4.0 event of Sunday's talk by Bil Herd from early Commodore. He was scheduled in advance, but due to a scheduling mixup, had to fly in last minute and give an ad-hoc presentation. My intention is to edit and post one video every two weeks, starting with 4.0 videos, until the entire 4, 3, 2, 1.0 backlog is cleared. I will cross post announcements for new videos as they are posted to AHCS list, cctalk, and VCF-SE info lists. You can also subscribe to our Vimeo channel to get push updates as they happen. So here is the link to Bil's great talk: https://vimeo.com/161861581 [1] Alan Hightower AHCS Treasurer / VCF-SE Minion a...@alanlee.org Links: -- [1] https://vimeo.com/161861581
Re: Vintage Computer Festivals???
Is there ever any Vintage Computer Festivals in Oklahoma? If not How would I go about setting one up in Tulsa? I can have use of any of the buildings at the fairgrounds...? On Thu, 14 Apr 2016, et...@757.org wrote: Make like a shoe... and do it! If he comes up with his own name, then there is nothing stopping him from putting it together completely independently. If he wants to use the VCF name, then he should talk tothose currently doing it.
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
On 14/04/2016 19:58, Mike Stein wrote: - Original Message - From: "Chuck Guzis" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 11:23 AM Subject: Re: Vintage Computer Forum On 04/14/2016 12:45 AM, Rod Smallwood wrote: Whats the matter with Vintage Computer Forum ? Its got walls like Mordor For the life of me, I don't understand why the old VC Forum URL simply doesn't automatically redirect to the new one. --Chuck It does for me. www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/ >> http://www.vcfed.org/forum/activity.php Sounds like someone else with Rod's name is already registered. Rod, send me what you want to say and I'll post it in the DEC forum on your behalf. mike Thanks Mike It ain't that easy. I'm guy that makes the reproduction front panels for PDP-8 and soon PDP-11's I need to post progress reports and set links to pictures etc. Rod
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
>It does for me. >www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/ >> http://www.vcfed.org/forum/activity.php Yes, me too. My experience of the whole thing was a seamless one. I'm redirected from my old bookmarked link and everything works just as it did. Terry (Tez)
Re: Vintage Computer Festivals???
If he comes up with his own name, then there is nothing stopping him from putting it together completely independently. If he wants to use the VCF name, then he should talk tothose currently doing it. Is it a trademark like Maker Faire where everyone has to pay per-attendee royalties to use the name on their event?
Re: Vintage Computer Festivals???
If he comes up with his own name, then there is nothing stopping him from putting it together completely independently. If he wants to use the VCF name, then he should talk tothose currently doing it. On Thu, 14 Apr 2016, et...@757.org wrote: Is it a trademark like Maker Faire where everyone has to pay per-attendee royalties to use the name on their event? It is a trademark, but I have no idea what the terms are. Evan? did not apparently have much difficulty negotiating with Sellam to use the trademark.
Re: Vintage Computer Forum
On 04/14/2016 05:18 PM, Terry Stewart wrote: >> It does for me. > >> www.vintage-computer.com/vcforum/ >> > http://www.vcfed.org/forum/activity.php It does for me now, but didn't when the switchover was first made. Perhaps I jumped the gun. --Chuck
CYCLOPS: Here it is, but come see it in person at VCF East
Hi, Decapped chip (via X-Acto) (Mostek, 1976 date code, TYPE B): http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/cyclops-latest/P4140002.JPG All wired up: http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/cyclops-latest/P4140003.JPG Money shot (just like Popular Electronics): http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/cyclops-latest/P4140004.JPG Test target: http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/cyclops-latest/P4140005.JPG Looks good: http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/cyclops-latest/P4140008.JPG How about a hand?: http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/cyclops-latest/P4140009.JPG By the way, my hand looks much better than that, the camera "freezes" a frame which doesn't look so good. Bill S.
Re: CYCLOPS: Here it is, but come see it in person at VCF East
Most cool!!! Dwight From: cctalk on behalf of Bill Sudbrink Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 6:37 PM To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' Subject: CYCLOPS: Here it is, but come see it in person at VCF East Hi, Decapped chip (via X-Acto) (Mostek, 1976 date code, TYPE B): http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/cyclops-latest/P4140002.JPG All wired up: http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/cyclops-latest/P4140003.JPG Money shot (just like Popular Electronics): http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/cyclops-latest/P4140004.JPG Test target: http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/cyclops-latest/P4140005.JPG Looks good: http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/cyclops-latest/P4140008.JPG How about a hand?: http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/cyclops-latest/P4140009.JPG By the way, my hand looks much better than that, the camera "freezes" a frame which doesn't look so good. Bill S.
RE: Vintage Computer Festivals???
No, it was not trademarked. Not until VERY recently, even if so. I'm not convinced it is -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Fred Cisin Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 8:08 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: Vintage Computer Festivals??? >> If he comes up with his own name, then there is nothing stopping him >> from putting it together completely independently. >> If he wants to use the VCF name, then he should talk tothose >> currently doing it. On Thu, 14 Apr 2016, et...@757.org wrote: > Is it a trademark like Maker Faire where everyone has to pay > per-attendee royalties to use the name on their event? It is a trademark, but I have no idea what the terms are. Evan? did not apparently have much difficulty negotiating with Sellam to use the trademark.
Lost a friend
Sandy Bungarner was a friend that I'd known for 15 or 20 years. He was one of the principle designers of the code that went into Jef Raskin's Canon Cat. He was also a professor a Gavilan College, near Gilroy, Ca. He'd been fighting cancer for more years than I can remember. I suspect not to many knew him but he also loved computers. Dwight
Re: Lost a friend
Oops, I misspelled his name. I broke my right wrist and I forget to proof read. Sandy Bumgarner Dwight From: cctalk on behalf of dwight Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 6:53 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Lost a friend Sandy Bungarner was a friend that I'd known for 15 or 20 years. He was one of the principle designers of the code that went into Jef Raskin's Canon Cat. He was also a professor a Gavilan College, near Gilroy, Ca. He'd been fighting cancer for more years than I can remember. I suspect not to many knew him but he also loved computers. Dwight
Re: CYCLOPS: Here it is, but come see it in person at VCF East
On 2016-Apr-14, at 6:37 PM, Bill Sudbrink wrote: > ... > Looks good: > > http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/cyclops-latest/P4140008.JPG > > How about a hand?: > > http://wsudbrink.dyndns.org:8080/images/cyclops-latest/P4140009.JPG > ... Wow, (that was quick), great job to get one of these working. (I finally get to see an image from a Cyclops camera - never did from the one I assembled.)
Re: Lost a friend
On Fri, 15 Apr 2016, dwight wrote: Sandy BuMgarner was a friend that I'd known for 15 or 20 years. He was one of the principle designers of the code that went into Jef Raskin's Canon Cat. He was also a professor a Gavilan College, near Gilroy, Ca. He'd been fighting cancer for more years than I can remember. I suspect not to many knew him but he also loved computers. We will miss John. Is there anybody left with his mastery of Forth? -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
RE: CYCLOPS: Here it is, but come see it in person at VCF East
Brent Hilpert > Wow, (that was quick), great job to get one of these working. Thanks. Quick? Actually, I've been working on it for several years. The assembly was fairly quick. If you have all of the parts in one place, a competent solderer should be able to build it in a few hours. > (I finally get to see an image from a Cyclops camera - never > did from the one I assembled.) Looks even better live. Come see it at VCF East. Bill S.
Re: CYCLOPS: Here it is, but come see it in person at VCF East
On 2016-Apr-14, at 7:50 PM, Bill Sudbrink wrote: > Brent Hilpert >> Wow, (that was quick), great job to get one of these working. > > Thanks. Quick? Actually, I've been working on it for several > years. The assembly was fairly quick. If you have all of the > parts in one place, a competent solderer should be able to build > it in a few hours. (Well it was pretty quick from when you mentioned it here.) I had assumed that you came across a hobbyist unit built in the 70's and was repairing or completing it. Sounds like that's incorrect - this is a new build from scratch?, including the printed circuit boards? I had actually wondered from years ago whether the design ever did work reliably, or whether it might be the sort of magazine project where 1 in 100 might function, e.g. say, the memory chips were an iffy proposition as image sensor. Very pleased to see one work. (The one I assembled I had to return to the owner after assembly, we tried it one afternoon with his IMSAI and/or with the scope interface as I recall, but after that it was out of my purview.) >> (I finally get to see an image from a Cyclops camera - never >> did from the one I assembled.) > > Looks even better live. Come see it at VCF East. (On the north-west coast here - bit of a trip to there).
