RE: A fruitfull evening

[Rob Jarratt]

I have a supply of the new hammer pads in the UK. Their maker sent them to me 
for distribution in the zUK and Europe. I think it is about $7 for 10 (would 
need to check, but it is around that price)

Regards

Rob

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From: E. Groenenberg
Sent: 13 April 2016 08:41
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: A fruitfull evening

On Tue, April 12, 2016 23:55, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
> On 12 April 2016 at 15:55, E. Groenenberg  wrote:
>> First thing I did was to replace the gooed up rubber hammer, only to
>> find out that my replacements were also starting to deteriorate :(
>> (but still stiff enough to be usable for some print test).
>> I can either use a piece of hose or one of those little self adhesive
>> rubber feet.
>>
> So, first thing's first, I'll going to provide you with this link the
> the GreenKeys mailing list. They know pretty much everything about
> Teletype machines, and more importantly one of the list members there
> has started making reproduction/replacements for the old Teletype
> print hammers. 
>
> Don't go with the adhesive rubber foot, it'll fly off and either hit
> you, or lodge in the mechanism and you'll have a bad time. Rubber hose
> is the best, unless you decide to buy a new hammer.
>
>
>> Only thing what does not work yet is that the paper reader does not
>> start
>> when I flip the switch to the 'start' position (it is a 3 position
>> switch).
>> Any ideas how to make this work?
>>
> If it has the DEC LT33 modifications, which might be the case if it
> used to be part of a DEC system, or was similarly modified by other
> manufacturers it will have a reader run relay, which can be triggered
> on the DLV11-K. I don't have the pinouts to hand to tell you exactly
> which one. If the reader run relay isn't energized the reader won't
> run; it's how the computer did flow control when using the reader.
>

I know of the Greenkeys list, I joined them 2 weeks ago. I'm going to
look for a proper hose in a few days.
I remember that I used some years go one of those rubber feet, and it did
work well but then I bought some parts from nc.com (when they did stock
much more than today), and acquired a few original rubber hammer pads.
But all the pads I have have become useless now due to gooeing.

It does not have the LT33 modification, although I have seen one once.
That punchread mechanism had an extra position.
My machine is a more or less 'standard' ASR33.

I was not aware of the possible reproduction of rubber hammer pads, I
certainly would be interested in some.


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DEC RK05 HEPA Filters

[Michael Thompson]

I just put my last new HEPA filter in an RK05 that I am working on. There
are two styles of HEPA filters for the RK05. The original version is just a
box. The newer version has the inlet and outlet plenums as part of the HEPA
filter, and connects to the blower and a rubber elbow. The one that I just
installed was marked EQUIV 1212175. The DEC part number for the filter is
12-12175.

A quick Google search showed that there are 6 new ones on ebay for $35
each. Just search for the DEC part number 1212175.

-- 
Michael Thompson

Re: DEC RK05 HEPA Filters

[william degnan]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 8:03 AM, Michael Thompson <
michael.99.thomp...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I just put my last new HEPA filter in an RK05 that I am working on. There
> are two styles of HEPA filters for the RK05. The original version is just a
> box. The newer version has the inlet and outlet plenums as part of the HEPA
> filter, and connects to the blower and a rubber elbow. The one that I just
> installed was marked EQUIV 1212175. The DEC part number for the filter is
> 12-12175.
>
> A quick Google search showed that there are 6 new ones on ebay for $35
> each. Just search for the DEC part number 1212175.
>
> --
> Michael Thompson
>


I replaced my filters a little while ago, I was concerned about original
filters' deterioration, perhaps these will have decomposed over time even
if not in use. So I found a newly-produced filter, documented here:
http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread_record.cfm?id=588&tid=1

But basically 3M Filtrete #0412560 carbon pre-filter cut to match the
original, from a tracing.

Bill.

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Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[devin davison]

I called in again yesterday night, still not ready to pick up though. The
guy assured me the drives were being wiped not removed, which is good.

How does the whold 70 day licence thing work. Is that a specific limitation
to os/400 or built into the hardware of the machine itself?

Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[Yvan Janssens]

Hi Devin,

I myself have several hobbyist machines, and I know a few other people who
do.

The 70 day timebomb is set by the OS and the different software packages
you install. So, let's say, you install the OS, the development tools and
Client Access. Each of them will have their own 70 day time bomb, after
which you will have to enter a license key which is tied to your hardware
serial number (and some other things). The 70 day time period starts when
you first start a product, so let's say, you only used Client Access on the
10th day after you started the OS, then that's when your 70 day time period
starts for that product.

After the 70 day time period ends, you'll have to reinstall.

It is very likely your machine will come with a tape drive. If possible,
try to see if you can find tapes for it (maybe they come with it?). This
way you can create a distribution tape from your installation CDs, which
makes reinstalling a lot more painless - the OS comes on six or so CDs,
which you'll have to swap during install. You'll probably lose about half a
day to a day to go through that.

As said before, try to look for the license keys in the documentation from
the machine. They are in the format *X-XXX-X, *and can be used
to disable that time bomb. If you can, try to pick it up when someone who
actually knows the machine is around so you can ask someone knowledgeable.
You want to ask for LICKEYs.

Wrt. the terminals, make sure you get all the cabling. They use twinaxial
cabling, and you'll need the pig tails, "bricks",... . It's not standard
stuff, so it's unlikely you'd be able to make your own from what you can
find in your drawer. Also make sure to grab the terminal keyboards,
depending on how old the terminal is it might either use an RJ-45 plug, or
a DIN one. These keyboards use a modified version of the protocol PS/2
keyboards use, and some terminals can survive PS/2 keyboards with the right
plug soldered on them, but not all of them do. Your mileage will vary.

Also, if you connect the machine to the internet, make sure to change all
default passwords. There are quite a few.

Y.

2016-04-13 15:30 GMT+01:00 devin davison :

> I called in again yesterday night, still not ready to pick up though. The
> guy assured me the drives were being wiped not removed, which is good.
>
> How does the whold 70 day licence thing work. Is that a specific limitation
> to os/400 or built into the hardware of the machine itself?
>



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R: Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[supervinx]

Even if your time is expired (there are some hacks to avoid this...) you can 
log into the system as user QSECOFR through the console (terminal 0 on twinax 
line 0). For an hobbyistic use sometimes it's enough...

Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[Paul Koning]

> On Apr 13, 2016, at 10:30 AM, devin davison  wrote:
> 
> I called in again yesterday night, still not ready to pick up though. The
> guy assured me the drives were being wiped not removed, which is good.

You should check what "wiped" means.  If they mean "degauss" as in running the 
drives over a magnetic media bulk erase machine, that's equivalent to 
destroying them because it wipes not just the data but also the formatting.  If 
by "wipe" they mean simply "write zeroes or equivalent over all sectors of the 
drives" then things are ok.

paul

Re: A couple of afternoons in Austin, Tx

[Mark Linimon]

Nothing too great in the way of surplus, but you could try Discount
Electronics.  The store on the north side tends to have more used
equipment.

If you just want to get together and hang out let me know.  I'm
on the far west side of town.  Mostly what I have is newer servers,
though.  But telling war stories is always fun.  I'm willing to
come into town.

mcl

R: Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[supervinx]

Well... AS/400 scsi drives are recognized by the string IBM AS/400, during the 
inquiry phase.
They can be used in a standard PC, if reformatted at 512 bytes/sector, since 
OS/400 use 520 bytes/sector.
If they come unformatted or degaussed, you can reformat it at 520 under a *nix 
system with sg_utils (e.g. Linux) and used (I tried it successfully on 
different AS/400 systems).

Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[Paul Koning]

> On Apr 13, 2016, at 11:31 AM, supervinx  wrote:
> 
> Well... AS/400 scsi drives are recognized by the string IBM AS/400, during 
> the inquiry phase.
> They can be used in a standard PC, if reformatted at 512 bytes/sector, since 
> OS/400 use 520 bytes/sector.
> If they come unformatted or degaussed, you can reformat it at 520 under a 
> *nix system with sg_utils (e.g. Linux) and used (I tried it successfully on 
> different AS/400 systems).

I thought someone said you couldn't reformat AS/400 drives?  Also, degaussing 
would destroy the servo data, assuming the drives have that which I expect they 
do (pretty much everything newer than an RK05 does).  Only servo writing 
machines in media factories can restore that stuff if it's destroyed or damaged.

paul

RE: Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[Benjamin Huntsman]

I believe it's 528 bytes these days...  Depends on the vintage.

-Ben


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[superv...@libero.it]
Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 8:31 AM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: R: Re: Getting an ibm as/400

Well... AS/400 scsi drives are recognized by the string IBM AS/400, during the 
inquiry phase.
They can be used in a standard PC, if reformatted at 512 bytes/sector, since 
OS/400 use 520 bytes/sector.
If they come unformatted or degaussed, you can reformat it at 520 under a *nix 
system with sg_utils (e.g. Linux) and used (I tried it successfully on 
different AS/400 systems).

Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[Eric Christopherson]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 2:46 PM, devin davison  wrote:

> some drives had to be destroyed. I believe it is coming from
> Harris, so it makes sense.
>

What Harris is this? The one that made machines running Vulcan OS?

-- 
Eric Christopherson

Re: A couple of afternoons in Austin, Tx

[Mike Whalen]

On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 10:18 PM, Jon Elson  wrote:

> On 04/12/2016 09:49 PM, jwsmobile wrote:
>
>>
>> any places to visit while I'm around?   just visiting and would like to
>> see if there are any surplus spots, or folks to say hi to.
>>
>> TX/Rx labs in Houston is VERY interesting.  A hackerspace, but with a lot
> of emphasis on electronics, too.
> They have a pick and place machine, one guy there has a fantastic
> electronics shop.  They have a machine shop with some CNC machines that
> they retrofitted.  I did see a PDP-8 in the mezzanine of the front room.
>
> Lots of 3D printers, wood shop, bike shop, welding, arts and crafts and
> sewing, and on and on.
>
> This is probably only of interest if you are flying in/out through
> Houston, however.
>

Yeah, everything is bigger in Texas including the driving distance between
cities. Austin to Houston MakeSpace is about 3 hours by car. It would be a
good hour from Bush International although Hobby would be probably a 30
minute drive. You have to really want it.

If you happen to be into pinball, Austin is home to Pinballz a very nice
arcade and pinball place.

WD-40 (again) was Re: A fruitfull evening

[Al Kossow]

On 4/12/16 5:38 PM, j...@cimmeri.com wrote:
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2016, at 8:19 PM, drlegendre .  wrote:
>>
>> "I suppose it might do that, but that's not its main purpose.  Its main
>> purpose is to loosen rusted and otherwise stuck fasteners and shafts."
> 
> That is *not* the main purpose of WD-40, nor does it even work well for
> that purpose *at all*.Rather, a penetrating lubricant like PB
> Blaster is for loosening rusted fasteners.
> 
> WD-40 is a very misunderstood -- albeit still very useful -- product.
> 
> - j.
> 
> 

"WD-40 is mostly a mix of baby oil, Vaseline, and the goop inside
homemade lava lamps."

https://web.archive.org/web/20140119014037/http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-05/st_whatsinside

https://www.engineeringforchange.org/how-to-make-penetrating-oil/

Re: WD-40 (again) was Re: A fruitfull evening

[Al Kossow]

On 4/13/16 10:27 AM, Al Kossow wrote:

> "WD-40 is mostly a mix of baby oil, Vaseline, and the goop inside
> homemade lava lamps."
> 
> https://web.archive.org/web/20140119014037/http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-05/st_whatsinside
> 
> https://www.engineeringforchange.org/how-to-make-penetrating-oil/
> 
> 

and down the rat-hole I go again

http://weldingweb.com/archive/index.php/t-348771.html

Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[Kevin Monceaux]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 01:26:29AM -0400, Ian Primus wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Jason T  wrote:

> > In IBM-speak, it's a "Midrange."
> 
> Which is a fancy word for "unusually heavy for its size".

That's the truth.  In a previous reply I mentioned I have a "small" 9406-270
in my living room.  I found it listed on eBay.  It was in New York.  I'm in
Central Texas.  It was listed with a flat $50 shipping fee.  From the photos
and shipping fee I was expecting something small enough to be shipped by UPS
or FedEx.  I made the seller an offer $50 less than the list price which
they accepted, so I basically got free shipping.  It was shipped by UPS
- UPS Freight.  There was no way UPS Fright could get down my driveway so I
had to pick it up at their terminal.  Fortunately it was shipped on a tiny
pallet that just fit in the back of my mini-van.  It looks like an oversized
tower PC, but is definitely unusually heavy for its size.  I have to use a
dolly to move it around.



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RE: DEC RK05 HEPA Filters

[Rick Bensene]

Bill Degnan wrote:
> 
> I replaced my filters a little while ago, I was concerned about original 
> filters'
> deterioration, perhaps these will have decomposed over time even if not in
> use. So I found a newly-produced filter, documented here:
> http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread_record.cfm?id=588&tid=1
> 
> But basically 3M Filtrete #0412560 carbon pre-filter cut to match the 
> original,
> from a tracing.
> 
The filter Bill replaced is the external dust filter.  While good to replace, 
this isn't the internal HEPA filter that Michael wrote about replacing on his 
RK05 drives, and that he found available on eBay.

The HEPA filter is inside the drive.  It is a filter designed to capture very 
tiny particles yet still be a minimal restriction to airflow.  To get to the 
HEPA filter, you have to take the bottom cover off of the drive. The filter 
is quite large, and as mentioned, there are two different types depending on 
the age of the drive.   If they haven't been replaced in a long time, they 
should be replaced, as they eventually do clog up with particulates.  When this 
happens, it can restrict the airflow to the disk platter area, which can lead 
to dust particles ending up on the platter, and that can result in head 
crashes, which are most unpleasant.   Sadly, the manufacturer of the HEPA 
filter stopped making them a long time ago, and they can be hard to find.  I do 
believe some manufacturer was making reproductions of them for a time, but I 
believe that they are no longer doing so.  So, finding the filters today can be 
tricky.

-Rick

RE: DEC RK05 HEPA Filters

[Sean Caron]

On Wed, 13 Apr 2016, Rick Bensene wrote:


Bill Degnan wrote:


I replaced my filters a little while ago, I was concerned about original 
filters'
deterioration, perhaps these will have decomposed over time even if not in
use. So I found a newly-produced filter, documented here:
http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread_record.cfm?id=588&tid=1

But basically 3M Filtrete #0412560 carbon pre-filter cut to match the original,
from a tracing.


The filter Bill replaced is the external dust filter.  While good to replace, 
this isn't the internal HEPA filter that Michael wrote about replacing on his 
RK05 drives, and that he found available on eBay.

The HEPA filter is inside the drive.  It is a filter designed to capture very 
tiny particles yet still be a minimal restriction to airflow.  To get to the 
HEPA filter, you have to take the bottom cover off of the drive. The filter 
is quite large, and as mentioned, there are two different types depending on 
the age of the drive.   If they haven't been replaced in a long time, they 
should be replaced, as they eventually do clog up with particulates.  When this 
happens, it can restrict the airflow to the disk platter area, which can lead 
to dust particles ending up on the platter, and that can result in head 
crashes, which are most unpleasant.   Sadly, the manufacturer of the HEPA 
filter stopped making them a long time ago, and they can be hard to find.  I do 
believe some manufacturer was making reproductions of them for a time, but I 
believe that they are no longer doing so.  So, finding the filters today can be 
tricky.

-Rick



I haven't worked on such myself, but please be careful and wear a pair of 
heavy gloves when servicing the HEPA filters in these old pack drives. I'm 
reminded of a quote from Ralph Klimek's Burroughs page at Monash:


"They used HEPA absolute filters were a biohazard because they could trap 
bacteria and fungal spores. The manuals warned about avoiding injury, with 
good reason. Once a used filter I was removing slipped and I grabbed it. I 
cut my hand on the dirty side of the filter element. The cut became 
infected and did not heal for nearly half a year! A filter that sat idle 
for a a couple of weeks would smell like a mushroom farm as the trapped 
fungal spores would spawn and begin eating the trapped dust."


http://vm-118-138-243-85.erc.monash.edu.au/fixing-the-burroughs.html

Best,

Sean

Re: DEC RK05 HEPA Filters

[william degnan]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Rick Bensene  wrote:

> Bill Degnan wrote:
> >
> > I replaced my filters a little while ago, I was concerned about original
> filters'
> > deterioration, perhaps these will have decomposed over time even if not
> in
> > use. So I found a newly-produced filter, documented here:
> > http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread_record.cfm?id=588&tid=1
> >
> > But basically 3M Filtrete #0412560 carbon pre-filter cut to match the
> original,
> > from a tracing.
> >
> The filter Bill replaced is the external dust filter.  While good to
> replace, this isn't the internal HEPA filter that Michael wrote about
> replacing on his RK05 drives, and that he found available on eBay.
>
> The HEPA filter is inside the drive.  It is a filter designed to capture
> very tiny particles yet still be a minimal restriction to airflow.  To get
> to the HEPA filter, you have to take the bottom cover off of the drive.
>  The filter is quite large, and as mentioned, there are two different types
> depending on the age of the drive.   If they haven't been replaced in a
> long time, they should be replaced, as they eventually do clog up with
> particulates.  When this happens, it can restrict the airflow to the disk
> platter area, which can lead to dust particles ending up on the platter,
> and that can result in head crashes, which are most unpleasant.   Sadly,
> the manufacturer of the HEPA filter stopped making them a long time ago,
> and they can be hard to find.  I do believe some manufacturer was making
> reproductions of them for a time, but I believe that they are no longer
> doing so.  So, finding the filters today can be tricky.
>
> -Rick
>
>
Oooo...yes my misunderstanding of what you meant.  What he said.

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Web: vintagecomputer.net
Twitter: @billdeg 
Youtube: @billdeg 
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Re: DEC RK05 HEPA Filters

[Marc Howard]

There is a seller on eBay (acpp) that in the past has listed HEPA filters
and heads for RK05's.  I bought 3 filters from him a couple of years ago.
I also had a RK05 with heads that were beyond repair.  He had the heads an
installed them on the head carriers for an additional fee.

I got the impression that he has a ton of RK05 filters; he just doesn't
list them on eBay constantly.

Marc

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 7:43 AM, william degnan 
wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Rick Bensene  wrote:
>
> > Bill Degnan wrote:
> > >
> > > I replaced my filters a little while ago, I was concerned about
> original
> > filters'
> > > deterioration, perhaps these will have decomposed over time even if not
> > in
> > > use. So I found a newly-produced filter, documented here:
> > > http://vintagecomputer.net/browse_thread_record.cfm?id=588&tid=1
> > >
> > > But basically 3M Filtrete #0412560 carbon pre-filter cut to match the
> > original,
> > > from a tracing.
> > >
> > The filter Bill replaced is the external dust filter.  While good to
> > replace, this isn't the internal HEPA filter that Michael wrote about
> > replacing on his RK05 drives, and that he found available on eBay.
> >
> > The HEPA filter is inside the drive.  It is a filter designed to capture
> > very tiny particles yet still be a minimal restriction to airflow.  To
> get
> > to the HEPA filter, you have to take the bottom cover off of the drive.
> >  The filter is quite large, and as mentioned, there are two different
> types
> > depending on the age of the drive.   If they haven't been replaced in a
> > long time, they should be replaced, as they eventually do clog up with
> > particulates.  When this happens, it can restrict the airflow to the disk
> > platter area, which can lead to dust particles ending up on the platter,
> > and that can result in head crashes, which are most unpleasant.   Sadly,
> > the manufacturer of the HEPA filter stopped making them a long time ago,
> > and they can be hard to find.  I do believe some manufacturer was making
> > reproductions of them for a time, but I believe that they are no longer
> > doing so.  So, finding the filters today can be tricky.
> >
> > -Rick
> >
> >
> Oooo...yes my misunderstanding of what you meant.  What he said.
>
> --
> @ BillDeg:
> Web: vintagecomputer.net
> Twitter: @billdeg 
> Youtube: @billdeg 
> Unauthorized Bio 
>

R: Getting an ibm as/400

[Mazzini Alessandro]

You had it easy.

Once upon a time, a place I was working for decided to get a new development
as/400. The toy was 2x the 270 you mentioned (hd cage taking one side)...
and the shipping original ibm box upped the weight to dunno... king kong.
It didn't fit in the elevator, and anyway exceeded the max weight.

The office was 2 floors up

We pushed it up, I still have the nightmares

-Messaggio originale-
Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Kevin
Monceaux
Inviato: mercoledì 13 aprile 2016 21:09
A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Oggetto: Re: Getting an ibm as/400


On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 01:26:29AM -0400, Ian Primus wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Jason T  wrote:

> > In IBM-speak, it's a "Midrange."
> 
> Which is a fancy word for "unusually heavy for its size".

That's the truth.  In a previous reply I mentioned I have a "small" 9406-270
in my living room.  I found it listed on eBay.  It was in New York.  I'm in
Central Texas.  It was listed with a flat $50 shipping fee.  From the photos
and shipping fee I was expecting something small enough to be shipped by UPS
or FedEx.  I made the seller an offer $50 less than the list price which
they accepted, so I basically got free shipping.  It was shipped by UPS
- UPS Freight.  There was no way UPS Fright could get down my driveway so I
had to pick it up at their terminal.  Fortunately it was shipped on a tiny
pallet that just fit in the back of my mini-van.  It looks like an oversized
tower PC, but is definitely unusually heavy for its size.  I have to use a
dolly to move it around.



-- 

Kevin
http://www.RawFedDogs.net
http://www.Lassie.xyz
http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
Bruceville, TX

What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.

Re: A couple of afternoons in Austin, Tx

[Ryan Eisworth]

On Apr 12, 2016, at 9:49 PM, jwsmobile  wrote:

> any places to visit while I'm around?   just visiting and would like to see 
> if there are any surplus spots, or folks to say hi to.

I’m down the road an hour or so in Brenham. There’s a Goodwill store with a 
computer section at 8965 Research Blvd. in North Austin. They are selling a lot 
of the stuff they had in their museum and as a result they sometimes have some 
oddities. I saw an Altos 8600 the last time I was there, along with some 
Heathkit parts. Sometimes the prices are steep for untested equipment in 
unknown condition. 

If there’s any sort of meet-up you can probably count me in depending on the 
day. Just copy me off-list so I see it for sure.


-- 
...although I could be wrong...

Ryan Eisworth ---  --- Brenham, TX, USA

Re: A couple of afternoons in Austin, Tx

[James Vess]

There is a hackerspace in Austin that I've been to, I'd have to refer to a
friend of mine who lives there ( I'm in Houston ) about the Address again.

I know there's a lot of scenic places and ( I've heard anyway ) there are
some great walking trails.

I tend to visit Austin for the nightlife, it's a lot of fun and usually
full of good music.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 5:21 PM, Ryan Eisworth 
wrote:

> On Apr 12, 2016, at 9:49 PM, jwsmobile  wrote:
>
> > any places to visit while I'm around?   just visiting and would like to
> see if there are any surplus spots, or folks to say hi to.
>
> I’m down the road an hour or so in Brenham. There’s a Goodwill store with
> a computer section at 8965 Research Blvd. in North Austin. They are selling
> a lot of the stuff they had in their museum and as a result they sometimes
> have some oddities. I saw an Altos 8600 the last time I was there, along
> with some Heathkit parts. Sometimes the prices are steep for untested
> equipment in unknown condition.
>
> If there’s any sort of meet-up you can probably count me in depending on
> the day. Just copy me off-list so I see it for sure.
>
>
> --
> ...although I could be wrong...
>
> Ryan Eisworth ---  --- Brenham, TX, USA
>
>

Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[devin davison]

Alright. Picked up the machine today. Much smaller than expected, but
everything needed seems to be included. I got a terminal as well as a box
of cables. I managed to boot the machine up to the login screen. However I
do not know the username or password. I was speaking with someone on the
phone that was quite knowlegable, they said that after 3 attempts to login
it becomes a potato. What do i do from here. I am going to try and contact
the original owners, however i believe they are unwilling to help. Im quite
amazed the main drive was not wiped. Anyhow, if i can not get the password
from the original owners, there does appear to be a working install on the
drives, how would I go about resetting the password to gain access to the
machine? The machine is a ibm as/400e 170.

pictures to follow once I find my camera.

--Devin

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Mazzini Alessandro  wrote:

> You had it easy.
>
> Once upon a time, a place I was working for decided to get a new
> development
> as/400. The toy was 2x the 270 you mentioned (hd cage taking one side)...
> and the shipping original ibm box upped the weight to dunno... king kong.
> It didn't fit in the elevator, and anyway exceeded the max weight.
>
> The office was 2 floors up
>
> We pushed it up, I still have the nightmares
>
> -Messaggio originale-
> Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Kevin
> Monceaux
> Inviato: mercoledì 13 aprile 2016 21:09
> A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Oggetto: Re: Getting an ibm as/400
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 01:26:29AM -0400, Ian Primus wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Jason T  wrote:
>
> > > In IBM-speak, it's a "Midrange."
> >
> > Which is a fancy word for "unusually heavy for its size".
>
> That's the truth.  In a previous reply I mentioned I have a "small"
> 9406-270
> in my living room.  I found it listed on eBay.  It was in New York.  I'm in
> Central Texas.  It was listed with a flat $50 shipping fee.  From the
> photos
> and shipping fee I was expecting something small enough to be shipped by
> UPS
> or FedEx.  I made the seller an offer $50 less than the list price which
> they accepted, so I basically got free shipping.  It was shipped by UPS
> - UPS Freight.  There was no way UPS Fright could get down my driveway so I
> had to pick it up at their terminal.  Fortunately it was shipped on a tiny
> pallet that just fit in the back of my mini-van.  It looks like an
> oversized
> tower PC, but is definitely unusually heavy for its size.  I have to use a
> dolly to move it around.
>
>
>
> --
>
> Kevin
> http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> http://www.Lassie.xyz
> http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> Bruceville, TX
>
> What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
> Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
>
>

Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[Chris Halarewich]

if u havent got it yet here is ibms spec page on it
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On 4/13/16, devin davison  wrote:
> Alright. Picked up the machine today. Much smaller than expected, but
> everything needed seems to be included. I got a terminal as well as a box
> of cables. I managed to boot the machine up to the login screen. However I
> do not know the username or password. I was speaking with someone on the
> phone that was quite knowlegable, they said that after 3 attempts to login
> it becomes a potato. What do i do from here. I am going to try and contact
> the original owners, however i believe they are unwilling to help. Im quite
> amazed the main drive was not wiped. Anyhow, if i can not get the password
> from the original owners, there does appear to be a working install on the
> drives, how would I go about resetting the password to gain access to the
> machine? The machine is a ibm as/400e 170.
>
> pictures to follow once I find my camera.
>
> --Devin
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Mazzini Alessandro 
> wrote:
>
>> You had it easy.
>>
>> Once upon a time, a place I was working for decided to get a new
>> development
>> as/400. The toy was 2x the 270 you mentioned (hd cage taking one side)...
>> and the shipping original ibm box upped the weight to dunno... king kong.
>> It didn't fit in the elevator, and anyway exceeded the max weight.
>>
>> The office was 2 floors up
>>
>> We pushed it up, I still have the nightmares
>>
>> -Messaggio originale-
>> Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Kevin
>> Monceaux
>> Inviato: mercoledì 13 aprile 2016 21:09
>> A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> Oggetto: Re: Getting an ibm as/400
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 01:26:29AM -0400, Ian Primus wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Jason T  wrote:
>>
>> > > In IBM-speak, it's a "Midrange."
>> >
>> > Which is a fancy word for "unusually heavy for its size".
>>
>> That's the truth.  In a previous reply I mentioned I have a "small"
>> 9406-270
>> in my living room.  I found it listed on eBay.  It was in New York.  I'm
>> in
>> Central Texas.  It was listed with a flat $50 shipping fee.  From the
>> photos
>> and shipping fee I was expecting something small enough to be shipped by
>> UPS
>> or FedEx.  I made the seller an offer $50 less than the list price which
>> they accepted, so I basically got free shipping.  It was shipped by UPS
>> - UPS Freight.  There was no way UPS Fright could get down my driveway so
>> I
>> had to pick it up at their terminal.  Fortunately it was shipped on a
>> tiny
>> pallet that just fit in the back of my mini-van.  It looks like an
>> oversized
>> tower PC, but is definitely unusually heavy for its size.  I have to use
>> a
>> dolly to move it around.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Kevin
>> http://www.RawFedDogs.net
>> http://www.Lassie.xyz
>> http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
>> Bruceville, TX
>>
>> What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
>> Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
>>
>>
>


-- 
Chris Halarewich

Re: WD-40 (again) was Re: A fruitfull evening

[drlegendre .]

>From your last link.. which is a hoot.. ;-)

"PB Blaster just stinks!
ATF/acetone couldn't keep mixed together, kept separating."

Now here's a report of +ATF+ and acetone that won't mix. I assumed it was
due to some additive(s) in the PSF I had used, but perhaps not.

So please tell me - is there some half-arsed "green" substitute being sold
as acetone, or something? Sort of like the "PF-TSP" (phosphate-free TSP),
which is free of phosphates, but of course, is not TSP by a long shot. Now
that is some truly worthless crap. If you need REAL TSP, get it from an
industrial supply or eBay.. that's where we get it.

Seriously though, has +anyone+ encountered a petroleum-based oil that would
not go into solution in acetone? What the heck is up with the non-mixing
acetone and ATF / PSF?

FYI - here's the low-down on the whole ATF / PSF & acetone debacle:

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/27429-Please-confirm-MW-article-on-Penetrating-Oil/page2?highlight=penetrating%20fluid%20test

Home Shop Machinist was the source of the original article. The author
intended to use ATF, but grabbed PSF by mistake.. and apparently, this
wasn't noticed until some time after publication, and replication by
readers.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Al Kossow  wrote:

>
>
> On 4/13/16 10:27 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
> > "WD-40 is mostly a mix of baby oil, Vaseline, and the goop inside
> > homemade lava lamps."
> >
> >
> https://web.archive.org/web/20140119014037/http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-05/st_whatsinside
> >
> > https://www.engineeringforchange.org/how-to-make-penetrating-oil/
> >
> >
>
> and down the rat-hole I go again
>
> http://weldingweb.com/archive/index.php/t-348771.html
>
>

Xerox Alto on eBay

[Al Kossow]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/XEROX-ALTO-II-XM-SYSTEM-COMPLETE-MONITOR-KEYBOARD-MOUSE-DISKS-CASE/282003972041

didn't sell for $4, so now it's $40005

trying to decide if I should report him for this message I got from him.

New message from: paperonebonaparte (964Purple Star)

photos in internet. please send email for private business and offers.

Re: Xerox Alto on eBay

[ethan]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/XEROX-ALTO-II-XM-SYSTEM-COMPLETE-MONITOR-KEYBOARD-MOUSE-DISKS-CASE/282003972041
didn't sell for $4, so now it's $40005
trying to decide if I should report him for this message I got from him.
New message from: paperonebonaparte (964Purple Star)
photos in internet. please send email for private business and offers.


Don't, screw eBay. They take like 17%, and you do all the work. Seller 
takes all the risks. They even charge you their fee on your shipping 
costs. I'd rather do business through Craigslist.


I list my Cray system on eBay but would rather sell it around eBay.


--
Ethan O'Toole

Re: WD-40 (again) was Re: A fruitfull evening

[dwight]

acetone is natural. Your body is making small amount right now.
It is also making methane, a green house gas.
There is no true green anything in concentration.
Dwight



From: cctalk  on behalf of drlegendre . 

Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 5:44 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: WD-40 (again) was Re: A fruitfull evening

>From your last link.. which is a hoot.. ;-)

"PB Blaster just stinks!
ATF/acetone couldn't keep mixed together, kept separating."

Now here's a report of +ATF+ and acetone that won't mix. I assumed it was
due to some additive(s) in the PSF I had used, but perhaps not.

So please tell me - is there some half-arsed "green" substitute being sold
as acetone, or something? Sort of like the "PF-TSP" (phosphate-free TSP),
which is free of phosphates, but of course, is not TSP by a long shot. Now
that is some truly worthless crap. If you need REAL TSP, get it from an
industrial supply or eBay.. that's where we get it.

Seriously though, has +anyone+ encountered a petroleum-based oil that would
not go into solution in acetone? What the heck is up with the non-mixing
acetone and ATF / PSF?

FYI - here's the low-down on the whole ATF / PSF & acetone debacle:

http://bbs.homeshopmachinist.net/threads/27429-Please-confirm-MW-article-on-Penetrating-Oil/page2?highlight=penetrating%20fluid%20test

Home Shop Machinist was the source of the original article. The author
intended to use ATF, but grabbed PSF by mistake.. and apparently, this
wasn't noticed until some time after publication, and replication by
readers.

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Al Kossow  wrote:

>
>
> On 4/13/16 10:27 AM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
> > "WD-40 is mostly a mix of baby oil, Vaseline, and the goop inside
> > homemade lava lamps."
> >
> >
> https://web.archive.org/web/20140119014037/http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/magazine/17-05/st_whatsinside
> >
> > https://www.engineeringforchange.org/how-to-make-penetrating-oil/
> >
> >
>
> and down the rat-hole I go again
>
> http://weldingweb.com/archive/index.php/t-348771.html
>
>

Re: Xerox Alto on eBay

[jwsmobile]

On 4/13/2016 6:18 PM, Al Kossow wrote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/XEROX-ALTO-II-XM-SYSTEM-COMPLETE-MONITOR-KEYBOARD-MOUSE-DISKS-CASE/282003972041

didn't sell for $4, so now it's $40005

trying to decide if I should report him for this message I got from him.

New message from: paperonebonaparte (964Purple Star)

photos in internet. please send email for private business and offers.


Nick Allen says this was sold to an individual and was to go to an 
Italian museum of some sort, but the deal must have fallen thru. Price 
is a bit steep for a non working unit.


Side discussion on Facebook says that media is rare too.  None with the 
system (I think) from the discussion there.

thanks
Jim

Re: WD-40 (again) was Re: A fruitfull evening

[Chuck Guzis]

Okay, I'll chime in here.

In my experience petroleum oil and acetone are not miscible.   Water and
alcohol (and gasoline) will mix with acetone, however.

So what's the lowdown on the ATF-acetone mixture?

http://www.instructables.com/id/Home-made-penetrating-oil/

States pretty clearly that the mix will separate, so you have to keep
shaking the bottle.  Perhaps it could be made to emulsify somehow (add a
surfactant?)

Personally, I'd substitute paint thinner or kerosene for the acetone.  I
suspect it will work just as well--and it'd mix with the ATF.

--Chuck

Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[Pontus Pihlgren]

Nice! I have a 170 (not up and running, no OS). Which variant do you have. Is 
it 
about the size of a PC tower or or two PC towers next to each other?

/P

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:09:02PM -0400, devin davison wrote:
> Alright. Picked up the machine today. Much smaller than expected, but
> everything needed seems to be included. I got a terminal as well as a box
> of cables. I managed to boot the machine up to the login screen. However I
> do not know the username or password. I was speaking with someone on the
> phone that was quite knowlegable, they said that after 3 attempts to login
> it becomes a potato. What do i do from here. I am going to try and contact
> the original owners, however i believe they are unwilling to help. Im quite
> amazed the main drive was not wiped. Anyhow, if i can not get the password
> from the original owners, there does appear to be a working install on the
> drives, how would I go about resetting the password to gain access to the
> machine? The machine is a ibm as/400e 170.
> 
> pictures to follow once I find my camera.
> 
> --Devin
> 
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Mazzini Alessandro  wrote:
> 
> > You had it easy.
> >
> > Once upon a time, a place I was working for decided to get a new
> > development
> > as/400. The toy was 2x the 270 you mentioned (hd cage taking one side)...
> > and the shipping original ibm box upped the weight to dunno... king kong.
> > It didn't fit in the elevator, and anyway exceeded the max weight.
> >
> > The office was 2 floors up
> >
> > We pushed it up, I still have the nightmares
> >
> > -Messaggio originale-
> > Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Kevin
> > Monceaux
> > Inviato: mercoledì 13 aprile 2016 21:09
> > A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> > Oggetto: Re: Getting an ibm as/400
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 01:26:29AM -0400, Ian Primus wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Jason T  wrote:
> >
> > > > In IBM-speak, it's a "Midrange."
> > >
> > > Which is a fancy word for "unusually heavy for its size".
> >
> > That's the truth.  In a previous reply I mentioned I have a "small"
> > 9406-270
> > in my living room.  I found it listed on eBay.  It was in New York.  I'm in
> > Central Texas.  It was listed with a flat $50 shipping fee.  From the
> > photos
> > and shipping fee I was expecting something small enough to be shipped by
> > UPS
> > or FedEx.  I made the seller an offer $50 less than the list price which
> > they accepted, so I basically got free shipping.  It was shipped by UPS
> > - UPS Freight.  There was no way UPS Fright could get down my driveway so I
> > had to pick it up at their terminal.  Fortunately it was shipped on a tiny
> > pallet that just fit in the back of my mini-van.  It looks like an
> > oversized
> > tower PC, but is definitely unusually heavy for its size.  I have to use a
> > dolly to move it around.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > Kevin
> > http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> > http://www.Lassie.xyz
> > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> > Bruceville, TX
> >
> > What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
> > Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
> >
> >

Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[devin davison]

The size of two pc towers. I am trying to figure out how to log in. I tried
the account qsecofr with pass qsecofr with no luck. I might actually have a
licenced os on this thing, it is very different from anything i have worked
with before. Not sure really where to go from here.

The drives are scsi, are they in a standard filesystem format i could read
in a seperate machine?

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Pontus Pihlgren  wrote:

> Nice! I have a 170 (not up and running, no OS). Which variant do you have.
> Is it
> about the size of a PC tower or or two PC towers next to each other?
>
> /P
>
> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:09:02PM -0400, devin davison wrote:
> > Alright. Picked up the machine today. Much smaller than expected, but
> > everything needed seems to be included. I got a terminal as well as a box
> > of cables. I managed to boot the machine up to the login screen. However
> I
> > do not know the username or password. I was speaking with someone on the
> > phone that was quite knowlegable, they said that after 3 attempts to
> login
> > it becomes a potato. What do i do from here. I am going to try and
> contact
> > the original owners, however i believe they are unwilling to help. Im
> quite
> > amazed the main drive was not wiped. Anyhow, if i can not get the
> password
> > from the original owners, there does appear to be a working install on
> the
> > drives, how would I go about resetting the password to gain access to the
> > machine? The machine is a ibm as/400e 170.
> >
> > pictures to follow once I find my camera.
> >
> > --Devin
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Mazzini Alessandro  > wrote:
> >
> > > You had it easy.
> > >
> > > Once upon a time, a place I was working for decided to get a new
> > > development
> > > as/400. The toy was 2x the 270 you mentioned (hd cage taking one
> side)...
> > > and the shipping original ibm box upped the weight to dunno... king
> kong.
> > > It didn't fit in the elevator, and anyway exceeded the max weight.
> > >
> > > The office was 2 floors up
> > >
> > > We pushed it up, I still have the nightmares
> > >
> > > -Messaggio originale-
> > > Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org ] Per
> conto di Kevin
> > > Monceaux
> > > Inviato: mercoledì 13 aprile 2016 21:09
> > > A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> > > Oggetto: Re: Getting an ibm as/400
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 01:26:29AM -0400, Ian Primus wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Jason T  > wrote:
> > >
> > > > > In IBM-speak, it's a "Midrange."
> > > >
> > > > Which is a fancy word for "unusually heavy for its size".
> > >
> > > That's the truth.  In a previous reply I mentioned I have a "small"
> > > 9406-270
> > > in my living room.  I found it listed on eBay.  It was in New York.
> I'm in
> > > Central Texas.  It was listed with a flat $50 shipping fee.  From the
> > > photos
> > > and shipping fee I was expecting something small enough to be shipped
> by
> > > UPS
> > > or FedEx.  I made the seller an offer $50 less than the list price
> which
> > > they accepted, so I basically got free shipping.  It was shipped by UPS
> > > - UPS Freight.  There was no way UPS Fright could get down my driveway
> so I
> > > had to pick it up at their terminal.  Fortunately it was shipped on a
> tiny
> > > pallet that just fit in the back of my mini-van.  It looks like an
> > > oversized
> > > tower PC, but is definitely unusually heavy for its size.  I have to
> use a
> > > dolly to move it around.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > > http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> > > http://www.Lassie.xyz
> > > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> > > Bruceville, TX
> > >
> > > What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
> > > Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
> > >
> > >
>

Getting an ibm as/400

[devin davison]

Couple of pictures.

http://s20.postimg.org/zf5twva0d/20160413_210749.jpg


http://s20.postimg.org/dephg8rcd/20160413_210826.jpg

http://s20.postimg.org/61eov0wod/20160413_210836.jpg

On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, devin davison > wrote:

> The size of two pc towers. I am trying to figure out how to log in. I
> tried the account qsecofr with pass qsecofr with no luck. I might actually
> have a licenced os on this thing, it is very different from anything i have
> worked with before. Not sure really where to go from here.
>
> The drives are scsi, are they in a standard filesystem format i could read
> in a seperate machine?
>
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Pontus Pihlgren  wrote:
>
>> Nice! I have a 170 (not up and running, no OS). Which variant do you
>> have. Is it
>> about the size of a PC tower or or two PC towers next to each other?
>>
>> /P
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:09:02PM -0400, devin davison wrote:
>> > Alright. Picked up the machine today. Much smaller than expected, but
>> > everything needed seems to be included. I got a terminal as well as a
>> box
>> > of cables. I managed to boot the machine up to the login screen.
>> However I
>> > do not know the username or password. I was speaking with someone on the
>> > phone that was quite knowlegable, they said that after 3 attempts to
>> login
>> > it becomes a potato. What do i do from here. I am going to try and
>> contact
>> > the original owners, however i believe they are unwilling to help. Im
>> quite
>> > amazed the main drive was not wiped. Anyhow, if i can not get the
>> password
>> > from the original owners, there does appear to be a working install on
>> the
>> > drives, how would I go about resetting the password to gain access to
>> the
>> > machine? The machine is a ibm as/400e 170.
>> >
>> > pictures to follow once I find my camera.
>> >
>> > --Devin
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Mazzini Alessandro 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > You had it easy.
>> > >
>> > > Once upon a time, a place I was working for decided to get a new
>> > > development
>> > > as/400. The toy was 2x the 270 you mentioned (hd cage taking one
>> side)...
>> > > and the shipping original ibm box upped the weight to dunno... king
>> kong.
>> > > It didn't fit in the elevator, and anyway exceeded the max weight.
>> > >
>> > > The office was 2 floors up
>> > >
>> > > We pushed it up, I still have the nightmares
>> > >
>> > > -Messaggio originale-
>> > > Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Kevin
>> > > Monceaux
>> > > Inviato: mercoledì 13 aprile 2016 21:09
>> > > A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
>> > > Oggetto: Re: Getting an ibm as/400
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 01:26:29AM -0400, Ian Primus wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Jason T 
>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > > In IBM-speak, it's a "Midrange."
>> > > >
>> > > > Which is a fancy word for "unusually heavy for its size".
>> > >
>> > > That's the truth.  In a previous reply I mentioned I have a "small"
>> > > 9406-270
>> > > in my living room.  I found it listed on eBay.  It was in New York.
>> I'm in
>> > > Central Texas.  It was listed with a flat $50 shipping fee.  From the
>> > > photos
>> > > and shipping fee I was expecting something small enough to be shipped
>> by
>> > > UPS
>> > > or FedEx.  I made the seller an offer $50 less than the list price
>> which
>> > > they accepted, so I basically got free shipping.  It was shipped by
>> UPS
>> > > - UPS Freight.  There was no way UPS Fright could get down my
>> driveway so I
>> > > had to pick it up at their terminal.  Fortunately it was shipped on a
>> tiny
>> > > pallet that just fit in the back of my mini-van.  It looks like an
>> > > oversized
>> > > tower PC, but is definitely unusually heavy for its size.  I have to
>> use a
>> > > dolly to move it around.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > >
>> > > Kevin
>> > > http://www.RawFedDogs.net
>> > > http://www.Lassie.xyz
>> > > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
>> > > Bruceville, TX
>> > >
>> > > What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
>> > > Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>

Re: WD-40 (again) was Re: A fruitfull evening

[dwight]

One wonders about PSF?
Is it better or worse than ATF.
Tinker Dwight



From: cctalk  on behalf of Chuck Guzis 

Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 8:05 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: WD-40 (again) was Re: A fruitfull evening

Okay, I'll chime in here.

In my experience petroleum oil and acetone are not miscible.   Water and
alcohol (and gasoline) will mix with acetone, however.

So what's the lowdown on the ATF-acetone mixture?

http://www.instructables.com/id/Home-made-penetrating-oil/

States pretty clearly that the mix will separate, so you have to keep
shaking the bottle.  Perhaps it could be made to emulsify somehow (add a
surfactant?)

Personally, I'd substitute paint thinner or kerosene for the acetone.  I
suspect it will work just as well--and it'd mix with the ATF.

--Chuck

Re: Xerox Alto on eBay

[Ian S. King]

On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 7:52 PM, jwsmobile  wrote:

>
>
> On 4/13/2016 6:18 PM, Al Kossow wrote:
>
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/XEROX-ALTO-II-XM-SYSTEM-COMPLETE-MONITOR-KEYBOARD-MOUSE-DISKS-CASE/282003972041
>>
>> didn't sell for $4, so now it's $40005
>>
>> trying to decide if I should report him for this message I got from him.
>>
>> New message from: paperonebonaparte (964Purple Star)
>>
>> photos in internet. please send email for private business and offers.
>>
>>
>> Nick Allen says this was sold to an individual and was to go to an
> Italian museum of some sort, but the deal must have fallen thru. Price is a
> bit steep for a non working unit.
>
> Side discussion on Facebook says that media is rare too.  None with the
> system (I think) from the discussion there.
> thanks
> Jim
>


This looks screwy.  Why not offer photos of the unit you get?  Why is the
Diablo missing from the cabinet?

Media/software is available around and about, FYI.  The media is a pretty
standard RK05 cartridge (12 sector).

-- 
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School 
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens

Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal 
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab 

University of Washington

There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."

VCF East

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi Guys
  PDP-8 panels are going faster than I can get them made.
VCF East this weekend. I would like to have gone.   Maybe somebody
with one of my recent panels
 will take it along.

Rod (Panelman) Smallwood

R: Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[supervinx]

So they changed the default sec officer pwd (root in *nix). You have to boot in 
manual mode B M (not B N) and cross your fingers that DST pwd is still 
QSECOFR/QSECOFR. Then there's a way to reset the QSECOFR pwd.

R: Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[supervinx]

http://www.supervinx.com/OnlineMuseum/IBM/AS400/9406/170/

R: Getting an ibm as/400

[supervinx]

You can'read the disks elsewhere: you can only image them with sg_utils. Sector 
formatting is not 512 and they are grouped in pools by OS/400. How many disks 
you have? Main pool has not been wiped, may be more than one disk...

Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[Pontus Pihlgren]

Just the model I have :) I'm a total beginner so I cant advice you. 
Normally I would say "yank the drive and image them with dd on a unix 
box". But I'm not sure what that yields, given that the block size is 
nonstandard (520B?). Perhap you get a copy you can't easily write back 
to another drive. At worst you get a broken copy.

Either way. I have the same terminal but I lack the cabling. Could you 
take a picture of all the cables in the order they are connected?

I think I know what I need, but it would be nice to get a verification.

Thank you,
Pontus.

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 12:09:11AM -0400, devin davison wrote:
> Couple of pictures.
> 
> http://s20.postimg.org/zf5twva0d/20160413_210749.jpg
> 
> 
> http://s20.postimg.org/dephg8rcd/20160413_210826.jpg
> 
> http://s20.postimg.org/61eov0wod/20160413_210836.jpg
> 
> On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, devin davison  > wrote:
> 
> > The size of two pc towers. I am trying to figure out how to log in. I
> > tried the account qsecofr with pass qsecofr with no luck. I might actually
> > have a licenced os on this thing, it is very different from anything i have
> > worked with before. Not sure really where to go from here.
> >
> > The drives are scsi, are they in a standard filesystem format i could read
> > in a seperate machine?
> >
> > On Wednesday, April 13, 2016, Pontus Pihlgren  wrote:
> >
> >> Nice! I have a 170 (not up and running, no OS). Which variant do you
> >> have. Is it
> >> about the size of a PC tower or or two PC towers next to each other?
> >>
> >> /P
> >>
> >> On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 08:09:02PM -0400, devin davison wrote:
> >> > Alright. Picked up the machine today. Much smaller than expected, but
> >> > everything needed seems to be included. I got a terminal as well as a
> >> box
> >> > of cables. I managed to boot the machine up to the login screen.
> >> However I
> >> > do not know the username or password. I was speaking with someone on the
> >> > phone that was quite knowlegable, they said that after 3 attempts to
> >> login
> >> > it becomes a potato. What do i do from here. I am going to try and
> >> contact
> >> > the original owners, however i believe they are unwilling to help. Im
> >> quite
> >> > amazed the main drive was not wiped. Anyhow, if i can not get the
> >> password
> >> > from the original owners, there does appear to be a working install on
> >> the
> >> > drives, how would I go about resetting the password to gain access to
> >> the
> >> > machine? The machine is a ibm as/400e 170.
> >> >
> >> > pictures to follow once I find my camera.
> >> >
> >> > --Devin
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 4:45 PM, Mazzini Alessandro 
> >> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > You had it easy.
> >> > >
> >> > > Once upon a time, a place I was working for decided to get a new
> >> > > development
> >> > > as/400. The toy was 2x the 270 you mentioned (hd cage taking one
> >> side)...
> >> > > and the shipping original ibm box upped the weight to dunno... king
> >> kong.
> >> > > It didn't fit in the elevator, and anyway exceeded the max weight.
> >> > >
> >> > > The office was 2 floors up
> >> > >
> >> > > We pushed it up, I still have the nightmares
> >> > >
> >> > > -Messaggio originale-
> >> > > Da: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] Per conto di Kevin
> >> > > Monceaux
> >> > > Inviato: mercoledì 13 aprile 2016 21:09
> >> > > A: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> >> > > Oggetto: Re: Getting an ibm as/400
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 01:26:29AM -0400, Ian Primus wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > On Wed, Apr 13, 2016 at 12:42 AM, Jason T 
> >> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > > In IBM-speak, it's a "Midrange."
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Which is a fancy word for "unusually heavy for its size".
> >> > >
> >> > > That's the truth.  In a previous reply I mentioned I have a "small"
> >> > > 9406-270
> >> > > in my living room.  I found it listed on eBay.  It was in New York.
> >> I'm in
> >> > > Central Texas.  It was listed with a flat $50 shipping fee.  From the
> >> > > photos
> >> > > and shipping fee I was expecting something small enough to be shipped
> >> by
> >> > > UPS
> >> > > or FedEx.  I made the seller an offer $50 less than the list price
> >> which
> >> > > they accepted, so I basically got free shipping.  It was shipped by
> >> UPS
> >> > > - UPS Freight.  There was no way UPS Fright could get down my
> >> driveway so I
> >> > > had to pick it up at their terminal.  Fortunately it was shipped on a
> >> tiny
> >> > > pallet that just fit in the back of my mini-van.  It looks like an
> >> > > oversized
> >> > > tower PC, but is definitely unusually heavy for its size.  I have to
> >> use a
> >> > > dolly to move it around.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > >
> >> > > Kevin
> >> > > http://www.RawFedDogs.net
> >> > > http://www.Lassie.xyz
> >> > > http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org
> >> > > Bruceville, TX
> >> > >
> >> > > What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works!
> >

Re: R: Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[Pontus Pihlgren]

Great teardown, now I don't need to do it myself :)

On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 07:26:49AM +0200, supervinx wrote:
> http://www.supervinx.com/OnlineMuseum/IBM/AS400/9406/170/

R: Re: R: Re: Getting an ibm as/400

[supervinx]

I installed also the Windows servers :)