Re: Apple Lisa I/O board diodes
On 19/02/2016 00:57, "Alexandre Souza" wrote: > Forbidden > > You don't have permission to access /LisaIOBoard.jpg on this server. > > 2016-02-18 22:51 GMT-02:00 Adrian Graham : > Fixed, I don't normally put things in the root of my webserver and forgot about the permissions. A >> Hi folks, >> >> 'Decaying battery' panic led me to unearthing my Lisa 2/5 to check the >> state >> of the batteries on the I/O board since it hadn't been out of its box or >> powered up since 2005. Fortunately the damage is very minimal and is only >> restricted to track discolouration and external rotting of one particular >> diode which I can't find mention of on my schematics. >> >> Anyone with a 2/5 care to check their I/O board for me please? The diode is >> D8, just above the battery location. It's in the board in such a way as to >> make its markings pretty unreadable in the pictures I took before cleaning, >> but it's the only white diode in the machine and I'm guessing it might be a >> 5.6V 1N4734A based on what I can see. Fortunately it still works for now, >> 0.7V voltage drop. >> >> Pic of the board before cleaning is at >> http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk/LisaIOBoard.jpg >> >> Cheers! >> >> -- >> Adrian/Witchy >> Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator >> Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer >> collection? >> >> >> -- Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer collection?
Re: Apple Lisa I/O board diodes
On 19/02/2016 01:02, "drlegendre ." wrote: > FYI, I get a 403 on that link. > > As for the diode, unless the leads are seriously rotted, why not just make > a +note+ of it - and leave it alone? It's a hermetically sealed package > (glass+metal, right?) and not likely to have suffered in any way, aside > from the cosmetic issue. Fixed, I don't normally put things in the root of my webserver and forgot about the permissions. The diode does still check out with my DMM, but it looks plastic to me which is why I mentioned it - it's not your usual 1N4001 glass type and I don't have another I can compare it with since my other Lisa is a 2/10 and the I/O board is different. A > On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 6:51 PM, Adrian Graham > wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> 'Decaying battery' panic led me to unearthing my Lisa 2/5 to check the >> state >> of the batteries on the I/O board since it hadn't been out of its box or >> powered up since 2005. Fortunately the damage is very minimal and is only >> restricted to track discolouration and external rotting of one particular >> diode which I can't find mention of on my schematics. >> >> Anyone with a 2/5 care to check their I/O board for me please? The diode is >> D8, just above the battery location. It's in the board in such a way as to >> make its markings pretty unreadable in the pictures I took before cleaning, >> but it's the only white diode in the machine and I'm guessing it might be a >> 5.6V 1N4734A based on what I can see. Fortunately it still works for now, >> 0.7V voltage drop. >> >> Pic of the board before cleaning is at >> http://www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk/LisaIOBoard.jpg >> >> Cheers! >> >> -- >> Adrian/Witchy >> Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator >> Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer >> collection? >> >> >> -- Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer collection?
RE: Kim 1
Jose, What model is it and what are you asking about? Selling or seeking help to use it? It would also help folks if you mention where youre located. Members near you may speak up. - John Original message From: Jose Manuel Date:02/16/2016 10:05 PM (GMT-06:00) To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Kim 1 I have a Kim 1 board. Please contact. Thanks.
RE: 928 gig classic computer manuals looking for seeders I am going on vacation Ill see y'all Tuesday
Might be shooting the messenger in this case though? He didn't create the torrent just sharing that he found one and is trying to download it but having trouble due to lack of full copies being shared so he doesn't have it all yet. Unless you meant violation in tos of this mailing list? Just trying to protect him from potential misunderstanding ;-) Original message From: Jay West Date:02/18/2016 1:24 PM (GMT-06:00) To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" Subject: RE: 928 gig classic computer manuals looking for seeders I am going on vacation Ill see y'all Tuesday The OP has blatantly violated what he expressly agreed to. Perhaps someone who is "bitter" has a good reason to be?
RE: 928 gig classic computer manuals looking for seeders I am going on vacation Ill see y'all Tuesday
My apologies to the list. My statement should have been made off-list, which is where the rest of my discussion will ensue J
BDV11 'mis-feature'
So I recently discovered that the LTC feature on the BDV11 bootstrap board has a minor issue: the latch that stores the 'LTC enabled' bit is _not_ cleared by INIT (unlike every other PDP-11 device I've ever heard of), but only by a direct store into the LTC CSR, _or_ power cycling (BDCOK, to be exact). This means that once you turn the LTC on using the BDV11, neither an INIT instruction, nor a 'Start' command to ODT, will disable it! Needless to say, it tends to scramble the booting process when an LTC interrupt shows up before the software is ready for one... I _was_ going to ECO the board, to connect BINIT to the clear input of the latch, but... I now think I know why DEC did this. There is no bus receiver on BINIT! (And there is, alas, no empty DIP space I could put one in.) I'm seriously tempted to connect the 'reset' circuitry on the BDV11 to BINIT, instead of BDCOK. That would mean that hitting the reset switch on the BDV11 wouldn't emulate a power cycle any more, but maybe I could live with that - I never use that switch anyway. And it would be _so_ nice to have 'Start' disable the LTC... Noel
Re: BDV11 'mis-feature'
> On Feb 19, 2016, at 11:08 AM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > So I recently discovered that the LTC feature on the BDV11 bootstrap board > has a minor issue: the latch that stores the 'LTC enabled' bit is _not_ > cleared by INIT (unlike every other PDP-11 device I've ever heard of), but > only by a direct store into the LTC CSR, _or_ power cycling (BDCOK, to be > exact). > > This means that once you turn the LTC on using the BDV11, neither an INIT > instruction, nor a 'Start' command to ODT, will disable it! Needless to say, > it tends to scramble the booting process when an LTC interrupt shows up > before the software is ready for one... Yuck. I suppose this doesn't show up as an issue in practice because normal boot sequencing starts with the processor at PR7, and it stays there until device setup has been done. Presumably OSs that support this misbegotten device know to clear the CSR before lowering the processor priority. paul
Looking for PDP handbook
All -- I've been searching for an online version of the LSI-11 Processor Handbook from 1975 (which I think covers the 11/03) but I can't seem to locate it anywhere. Does anyone have a link to it or, alternatively, a real copy that maybe I can scan? Thanks! Rich Sent from my iPhone
Re: Looking for PDP handbook
Problem with scanning those handbooks - it is a destructive process mashing them in a flat bed. Maybe using one of the hold the book and photo the pages works well? or find one that is blown apart already... Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 2/19/2016 9:37:50 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, rich.c...@verizon.net writes: All -- I've been searching for an online version of the LSI-11 Processor Handbook from 1975 (which I think covers the 11/03) but I can't seem to locate it anywhere. Does anyone have a link to it or, alternatively, a real copy that maybe I can scan? Thanks! Rich Sent from my iPhone=
Re: Looking for PDP handbook
It depends on the quality of the binding and its age, and how much pressure you put on the spine. I've done it with the cover up with a white paper "mask" on the glass to minimize haze at the edges, and then hold the book by hand. There will be some text warping in the scan as a result of the gutter of the binding not being flat to the glass. Of course, if anyone has a copy whose binding is already compromised that would be good. I have not found a scan of this anywhere so certainly it would be good to scan. Rich Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 19, 2016, at 12:26 PM, couryho...@aol.com wrote: > > Problem with scanning those handbooks - it is a destructive process > mashing them in a flat bed. > Maybe using one of the hold the book and photo the pages works > well? or find one that is blown apart already... Ed# > _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) > > > > > In a message dated 2/19/2016 9:37:50 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > rich.c...@verizon.net writes: > > All -- I've been searching for an online version of the LSI-11 Processor > Handbook from 1975 (which I think covers the 11/03) but I can't seem to > locate it anywhere. > > Does anyone have a link to it or, alternatively, a real copy that maybe I > can scan? > > Thanks! > > Rich > > Sent from my iPhone=
Re: Looking for PDP handbook
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Richard Cini wrote: It depends on the quality of the binding and its age, and how much pressure you put on the spine. I've done it with the cover up with a white paper "mask" on the glass to minimize haze at the edges, and then hold the book by hand. There will be some text warping in the scan as a result of the gutter of the binding not being flat to the glass. Of course, if anyone has a copy whose binding is already compromised that would be good. I have not found a scan of this anywhere so certainly it would be good to scan. This is an excellent reason to build one of these: http://www.diybookscanner.org/ :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: Looking for PDP handbook
Ooh, that's pretty cool. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 19, 2016, at 12:51 PM, geneb wrote: > >> On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Richard Cini wrote: >> >> It depends on the quality of the binding and its age, and how much pressure >> you put on the spine. I've done it with the cover up with a white paper >> "mask" on the glass to minimize haze at the edges, and then hold the book by >> hand. There will be some text warping in the scan as a result of the gutter >> of the binding not being flat to the glass. >> >> Of course, if anyone has a copy whose binding is already compromised that >> would be good. I have not found a scan of this anywhere so certainly it >> would be good to scan. > > > This is an excellent reason to build one of these: > > http://www.diybookscanner.org/ :) > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. > Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: Looking for PDP handbook
At 11:37 AM 2/19/2016, Richard Cini wrote: >... LSI-11 Processor Handbook from 1975 (which I think covers the 11/03) ... It should - according to a chart in the 1979 pdp11 processor handbook the LSI-11 was used in the 11/03 and the 11/03L. Dale H. Cook, Roanoke/Lynchburg, VA Osborne 1 / Kaypro 4-84 / Kaypro 1 / Amstrad PPC-640 http://plymouthcolony.net/starcity/radios/index.html
Non-binding-breaking Book scanners (Was: Looking for PDP handbook
http://www.diybookscanner.org/ :)
Ooh, that's pretty cool.
Yes, but, . . .
I've participated in building a few similar devices.
Instead of the two sides MEETING in a V, there should be an open area
right at the spine to accomodate the greater thickness of the spine
itself. Having the two side panels able to slide up and down, with pegs,
a few inches would accomodate that and permit a varying amount of spine
clearance.
Lighting. Ideally, lighting for copy work should be at a 45 degree
(1/4PI) angle. That way specular reflection (glare) from glass cover
(still needed occasionally!) or even just glossy paper, is not going
towards the camera. If the trough faces north/south, then that can be
done with light(s) north and south of the unit. Using two lights makes it
much easier to get acceptably even illumination. Some people prefer
various forms of diffuse light, or coaxial lighting ("ring" light).
Having the camera at a fixed position relative to the work holder is great
IFF you are doing consistent size. Different sizes could be dealt with
through variable focal length ("zoom") lenses, but that is not always the
ideal solution. I like to use FLAT-FIELD lenses, which are generally
fixed focal length (sometimes called "primary lenses"). Enlarger lenses
are an extremely cheap source for those. Being able to move the
camera/work distance closer/farther requires a movable mount to change
distance, but keep the camera centered relative to the work. North/south
motion can be easily handled by moving the book along the trough,
preferably with a fence, or simple bench-dog stops. The other motion
generally requires the camera mount to be a pole at a 45 degree (1/4PI
radians) angle relative to the work. Since the work is at a 45 degree
angle from vertical, that means that the pole can be VERTICAL, with the
camera mount aimed at a 45 degree angle. The post should be offset
slightly from the north/south center, with the movable camera mounts
holding the cameras at 45 degree angle (preferably with the focal node
close to that central plane).
Positioning of the book would require placing it so that it is centered
north/south (calibration marks, as well as fence or bench-dogs, are very
helpful!) and moving the camera up and down and focussing for distance.
NOTE: use of other than 90 degree (1/2 PI radians) for the book holder
would require further changes!
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
Re: Non-binding-breaking Book scanners (Was: Looking for PDP handbook
...And when you look at the site you will see guy in dust mask.
when scanning fungus ridden or moldy material a must although I prefer a
class A respirator.
We have an offsite storage we call the tombs and it smells like
one... but it is for martial that is biohazzard challenged that we want to
scan someday. too awesome to toss but too ucccky to have in the archive,
museum area or library. If another copy shows up and/or someone scans a
copy then the ucccky held copy is discarded. If not at least a copy
is saved here and sometimes we suit up and scan some of it.
Ed Sharpe archivist for SMECC
In a message dated 2/19/2016 12:21:24 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
ci...@xenosoft.com writes:
>> http://www.diybookscanner.org/ :)
> Ooh, that's pretty cool.
Yes, but, . . .
I've participated in building a few similar devices.
Instead of the two sides MEETING in a V, there should be an open area
right at the spine to accomodate the greater thickness of the spine
itself. Having the two side panels able to slide up and down, with pegs,
a few inches would accomodate that and permit a varying amount of spine
clearance.
Lighting. Ideally, lighting for copy work should be at a 45 degree
(1/4PI) angle. That way specular reflection (glare) from glass cover
(still needed occasionally!) or even just glossy paper, is not going
towards the camera. If the trough faces north/south, then that can be
done with light(s) north and south of the unit. Using two lights makes it
much easier to get acceptably even illumination. Some people prefer
various forms of diffuse light, or coaxial lighting ("ring" light).
Having the camera at a fixed position relative to the work holder is great
IFF you are doing consistent size. Different sizes could be dealt with
through variable focal length ("zoom") lenses, but that is not always the
ideal solution. I like to use FLAT-FIELD lenses, which are generally
fixed focal length (sometimes called "primary lenses"). Enlarger lenses
are an extremely cheap source for those. Being able to move the
camera/work distance closer/farther requires a movable mount to change
distance, but keep the camera centered relative to the work. North/south
motion can be easily handled by moving the book along the trough,
preferably with a fence, or simple bench-dog stops. The other motion
generally requires the camera mount to be a pole at a 45 degree (1/4PI
radians) angle relative to the work. Since the work is at a 45 degree
angle from vertical, that means that the pole can be VERTICAL, with the
camera mount aimed at a 45 degree angle. The post should be offset
slightly from the north/south center, with the movable camera mounts
holding the cameras at 45 degree angle (preferably with the focal node
close to that central plane).
Positioning of the book would require placing it so that it is centered
north/south (calibration marks, as well as fence or bench-dogs, are very
helpful!) and moving the camera up and down and focussing for distance.
NOTE: use of other than 90 degree (1/2 PI radians) for the book holder
would require further changes!
--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
Re: Non-binding-breaking Book scanners (Was: Looking for PDP handbook
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Fred Cisin wrote: http://www.diybookscanner.org/ :) Ooh, that's pretty cool. Yes, but, . . . I've participated in building a few similar devices. So download the CAD files and get cracking. g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: Non-binding-breaking Book scanners (Was: Looking for PDP handbook
http://www.diybookscanner.org/ :) Ooh, that's pretty cool. Yes, but, . . . I've participated in building a few similar devices. So download the CAD files and get cracking. If that's the way that you WANT to do it. It's mostly plywood, framing, and some pipe work. We did one with slotted angle iron, one with unistrut, and a few with scrap 2x4s. You can take a shortcut and use some old enlargers or photographic copy stands for the camera brackets, and posts for them to slide on. For one quick and dirty one, we used plumbing pipe and a pair of clamp-pods. (common photographic clamps with 1/4"x20tpi mounting thread) A "slide-rail" positioner is helpful to be able to make minor front-back adjustments of camera position, particularly since a relatively long focal length lens is going to require increasing the camera to work distance. For this use, you'll want them coming down from a superstructure ABOVE, rather than rising from the base. The big part is a trough made of two pieces of plywood resting on a V shaped frame. (You'll remember that I recommended NOT having them meet at the bottom.) Draw some lines on it at the midpoint, and at "calibrated" distances out from the midpoint, plus some holes at most common positions for bench-dogs or fence attachment. There will still be occasional times when you will want to press glass on the work to flatten it. Most people consider most "modern" lenses to produce reults that they can tolerate. You may need to use a shorter focal length than you might be comfortable with. With a "standard" camera mount, it is easy to switch cameras around until you find what you like. Throw together a quick and dirty one, and decide for yourself what changes you need.
Re: Non-binding-breaking Book scanners (Was: Looking for PDP handbook
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Fred Cisin wrote: http://www.diybookscanner.org/ :) Ooh, that's pretty cool. Yes, but, . . . I've participated in building a few similar devices. So download the CAD files and get cracking. If that's the way that you WANT to do it. It's mostly plywood, framing, and some pipe work. We did one with slotted angle iron, one with unistrut, and a few with scrap 2x4s. *sighs theatrically and shuffles off Fred's lawn* :) g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: Non-binding-breaking Book scanners (Was: Looking for PDP handbook
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, geneb wrote: *sighs theatrically and shuffles off Fred's lawn* well, if you had brought beer, . . .
VAX 11/730 quickie
Just started working on mine - been a back-burnered project for a long time. Unfortunately all the cables were cut when it was dismantled; I was lucky to grab just the CPU. Got it powered up ok - no drama there. I faked cables to the port on the WCS which drives the console and hooked up my trust VT220 at 2400 baud. Nada. No self-test prompt; no ROM> prompt. Maybe I've messed up the faked console cable; I'll check - already tried obvious things like making sure Rx & Tx were crossed (it's a three wire cable according to the schematics - Rx Tx Gnd; no flow control). But I'd like to know more about the assorted LEDs on the CPU boards; maybe there's a clue there if it's not getting far enough into the self-test to display console output. There's a fair few LEDs on the M8391. But the doc I've looked through on Bitsavers doesn't seem to document their meanings and interpretations. Can anyone help on that point? Hopefully this link works: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10208521465663997&l=867897c786 Thanks Mike http://www.corestore.org 'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother. Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame. For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
Re: Non-binding-breaking Book scanners (Was: Looking for PDP handbook
Why does someone just take a photo with their camera On Feb 19, 2016 5:09 PM, "Fred Cisin" wrote: > On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, geneb wrote: > >> *sighs theatrically and shuffles off Fred's lawn* >> > > well, if you had brought beer, . . . > > > >
Re: Non-binding-breaking Book scanners (Was: Looking for PDP handbook
well... the trick is to have book partially open not cracked and to have 2 cameras for fast production copy and uniform size on the size as cameras are fixed clear material flattens pages sure if just a page or so a camera even hand held works... but if you are humping pages all day long. you need this thing! Ed Sharpe archivist for smecc _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 2/19/2016 4:37:12 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, tdk.kni...@gmail.com writes: Why does someone just take a photo with their camera On Feb 19, 2016 5:09 PM, "Fred Cisin" wrote: > On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, geneb wrote: > >> *sighs theatrically and shuffles off Fred's lawn* >> > > well, if you had brought beer, . . . > > > >
got it. RE: Looking for PDP handbook
Richard wrote... -- All -- I've been searching for an online version of the LSI-11 Processor Handbook from 1975 (which I think covers the 11/03) but I can't seem to locate it anywhere. Does anyone have a link to it or, alternatively, a real copy that maybe I can scan? --- I probably have several hundred of those dec handbooks, organized by year. I just pulled the one you want... https://www.flickr.com/photos/131070638@N02/25043539971/in/dateposted/ Richard - it's yours for "the cost of a beer if we ever meet". All I ask is that if one isn't online anywhere, you make reasonable efforts at some point to get it scanned and available to the public. Email me your shipping address off-list. J
Re: VAX 11/730 quickie
On Sat, Feb 20, 2016 at 12:22 PM, Mike Ross wrote: > Just started working on mine - been a back-burnered project for a long > time. Unfortunately all the cables were cut when it was dismantled; I > was lucky to grab just the CPU. > > Got it powered up ok - no drama there. I faked cables to the port on > the WCS which drives the console and hooked up my trust VT220 at 2400 > baud. Nada. No self-test prompt; no ROM> prompt. > > Maybe I've messed up the faked console cable; I'll check - already > tried obvious things like making sure Rx & Tx were crossed (it's a > three wire cable according to the schematics - Rx Tx Gnd; no flow > control). But I'd like to know more about the assorted LEDs on the CPU > boards; maybe there's a clue there if it's not getting far enough into > the self-test to display console output. There's a fair few LEDs on > the M8391. But the doc I've looked through on Bitsavers doesn't seem > to document their meanings and interpretations. Can anyone help on > that point? > > Hopefully this link works: > https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10208521465663997&l=867897c786 OK apparently link didn't work... here's the pic: http://www.corestore.org/730boardsLEDs.jpg See row of red LEDs on M8391? On power-up the leftmost LED lights and goes out. Then the rightmost two LEDs light and stay on... Mike http://www.corestore.org 'No greater love hath a man than he lay down his life for his brother. Not for millions, not for glory, not for fame. For one person, in the dark, where no one will ever know or see.'
Re: Non-binding-breaking Book scanners (Was: Looking for PDP handbook
On Fri, 19 Feb 2016, Adrian Stoness wrote: Why does someone just take a photo with their camera Why does someone just take a photo with their camera? Because they might not need exceptionally high quality, and not planning to do enough pages to justify building a rig for high quality and production volume. Or, they're in a hurry, and are copying stuff that they are not authorized to do. Why does someone NOT just take a photo with their camera? They might need better quality. just having a good stable vibration=free mount makes a difference. When you want high quality images, such as of a full page of text, a very tiny bit of movement during exposure is enough to mess up the quality. And, there is the issue of volume. I once created a 10,000 page documentary appendix for a report that EPA commissioned us to do about state regulatory activities in the great lakes states. I needed portability (not concealment level!), so I used a tripod with inverted center post and a Leica IIIa with a focoslide. Just the knurled film wind was enough to give me nasty blisters on my fingers. If you are doing a lot, then you want a setup that minimizes what you need to do for each one. When working with books, flattening them enough to scan them damages the binding. A rig such as this permits photographic copying with the book open 90 degrees, instead of 180. You might not care, but if you don't own the book, then you have a resposibility to not damage it. It wouldn't matter for most of my books, but I have just a few where if you break the spine, then I will break your spine. Some enhancements are to improve the image quality; some are to minimize the damage and wear of the source materials; and some are to make it quicker and easier to get more done. How many pages are you going to do? What materials are you working from? What quality do you need? -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
Re: Non-binding-breaking Book scanners (Was: Looking for PDP handbook
> On Feb 19, 2016, at 5:04 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: > > It wouldn't matter for most of my books, but I have just a few where if you > break the spine, then I will break your spine. If anyone is still maintaining a "fortunes" file, please add the above. --lyndon
