Re: Colour composite video for the BBC micro

[Adrian Graham]

On 12/01/2016 00:40, "Terry Stewart"  wrote:

> Sometimes capability is already built in but not widely known or
> publicized.  Sometimes all it needs is a jumper!
> 
http://www.classic-computers.org.nz/blog/2016-01-12-composite-video-for-bbc.ht>
m

Well I didn't know that! I've been Beeb-ing since they came out and they
were always TV or Microvitec CUB monitored and because we had the latter we
never needed to look for another solution. Probably the other main reason
for not looking is lack of a monitor with a BNC input at school/college
though now I have a few BNC-RCA adapters.

Another one to add to the 'handy to know' list :)

-- 
Adrian/Witchy
Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator
Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer
collection?

Front Panels - Update

[Rod Smallwood]

Hi Guys
   I just had  an email with some pictures of the panels in.
The panels are great  but the pictures not. Because you need lots of 
light to see what you are doing.

They have several skylights and the light is all wrong for  phone cameras

They are adding the final details : A and  B customisation and the 
second white line round the lock area.

The front is now matt black.

I'm changing to professional packaging as green tape and cardboard works 
but is not that pretty.

So we expect to start shipping when the new packaging arrives.

PDP-8/f and /m are waiting to be screen printed next.

PDP-11/XX are being drawn now and  I'm going to try and have at least a 
few boards ready with the

common features  before taking orders.

Rod

DEC PDP-11 software manuals available

[Noel Chiappa]

So I have a bunch of DEC PDP-11 software manuals which I don't want (which I
got in a lot with some other manuals I did want). They are free to a good
home (US media mail free, anything else we'll have to work out).

They are:

  RT-11 Documentation Directory (AA-5285D-TC, March '79)
  RT-11 System Release Notes (AA-5286B-TC, March '78)
  RT-11 System Generation Manual (AA-5283B-TC, March '78)
  Introduction to RT-11 (DEC-11-ORITA-A-D, August '77)

  RMS-11 Installation Guide (AA-H235A-TC, June '79)
  RMS-11 User's Guide (AA-D538A-TC, March '79)
  RMS-11 MACRO-11 Reference Manual (AA-H683A-TC, March '79)

Also, before I send them off, should I scan any/all of them (I'm too lazy to
look to see if they already available online :-)?

Noel

TDL 8K Z80 Basic..

[Holm Tiffe]

Currently I'm fiddeling around with the old 8 Kbyte Z80 Basic Interpreter
from TDL, found an Paper Tape Image here:
http://www.classiccmp.org/dunfield/img54306/p/tdlsoft.zip
on Dave Dunfields pages.

I've used the 12K Version from TDL many years before on my home computer
and now we have a project on robotrontechnik.de with an SBC and I've ported
the P112 Tiny Basic already to this SBC, now I want to try the 8K TDL
Version.

...

Has someone still a computer with that 8K TDL Basic in use?

In the moment I'm writing a loader that can "autopatch" the relocation
Bytes in the TDL HEX file format from the Paper Tapes. Someone used that
before?

Regards,

Holm

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Re: DEC PDP-11 software manuals available

[Noel Chiappa]

> I have a bunch of DEC PDP-11 software manuals which I don't want ..
> They are free to a good home

They have been claimed.

Noel

For you SGI fans...

[geneb]

https://archive.org/details/cdromsoftware?&sort=-publicdate&and[]=SGI

g.


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Re: For you SGI fans...

[Ian S. King]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:10 PM, geneb  wrote:

>
>
> https://archive.org/details/cdromsoftware?&sort=-publicdate&and[]=SGI
>

O. M. G.  Thanks!

-- 
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School 
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens

Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal 
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab 

University of Washington

There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."

Re: For you SGI fans...

[Ian Finder]

This is a great start, but I wouldn't install this version.
Try to install the 6.5.22 overlay or greater. It does indeed require some
disks from this media set, but is more compatible with newer open source
software built for the platform.

Installing 6.5.0 seems like a waste of time...

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Ian S. King  wrote:

> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:10 PM, geneb  wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > https://archive.org/details/cdromsoftware?&sort=-publicdate&and[]=SGI
> >
>
> O. M. G.  Thanks!
>
> --
> Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
> The Information School 
> Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
> Narrative Through a Design Lens
>
> Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal 
> Value Sensitive Design Research Lab 
>
> University of Washington
>
> There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
>



-- 
   Ian Finder
   (206) 395-MIPS
   ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: For you SGI fans...

[devin davison]

Dear god.
Thank you.

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Ian Finder  wrote:

> This is a great start, but I wouldn't install this version.
> Try to install the 6.5.22 overlay or greater. It does indeed require some
> disks from this media set, but is more compatible with newer open source
> software built for the platform.
>
> Installing 6.5.0 seems like a waste of time...
>
> On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:16 PM, Ian S. King  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:10 PM, geneb  wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > https://archive.org/details/cdromsoftware?&sort=-publicdate&and[]=SGI
> > >
> >
> > O. M. G.  Thanks!
> >
> > --
> > Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
> > The Information School 
> > Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a
> Sociotechnical
> > Narrative Through a Design Lens
> >
> > Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal 
> > Value Sensitive Design Research Lab 
> >
> > University of Washington
> >
> > There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."
> >
>
>
>
> --
>Ian Finder
>(206) 395-MIPS
>ian.fin...@gmail.com
>

Re: For you SGI fans...

[geneb]

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016, Ian S. King wrote:


On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:10 PM, geneb  wrote:




https://archive.org/details/cdromsoftware?&sort=-publicdate&and[]=SGI



O. M. G.  Thanks!


You're welcome, but I'm just the guy pointing it out. :)

g.

--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!

Re: For you SGI fans...

[geneb]

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016, Ian Finder wrote:


This is a great start, but I wouldn't install this version.
Try to install the 6.5.22 overlay or greater. It does indeed require some
disks from this media set, but is more compatible with newer open source
software built for the platform.

Installing 6.5.0 seems like a waste of time...


So instead of sneering about it, why not upload ISOs of that version?

g.

--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!

Re: For you SGI fans...

[Jason Scott]

All versions from all types welcome
On Jan 12, 2016 3:50 PM, "geneb"  wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016, Ian Finder wrote:
>
> This is a great start, but I wouldn't install this version.
>> Try to install the 6.5.22 overlay or greater. It does indeed require some
>> disks from this media set, but is more compatible with newer open source
>> software built for the platform.
>>
>> Installing 6.5.0 seems like a waste of time...
>>
>> So instead of sneering about it, why not upload ISOs of that version?
>
> g.
>
> --
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
> http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
> Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.
>
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
>

Re: For you SGI fans...

[devin davison]

is this allowed? i thought it was under a restrictive licence and was not
allowed to be shared freely like this?
I am not complaining at all, im making about 500 copies of everything on
that page ,ive been stuck outta luck with a sgi crimson without the irix
6.2 install disk needed to make it work. but still ,are you legally allowed
to make copies like this?



On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:54 PM, Jason Scott  wrote:

> All versions from all types welcome
> On Jan 12, 2016 3:50 PM, "geneb"  wrote:
>
> > On Tue, 12 Jan 2016, Ian Finder wrote:
> >
> > This is a great start, but I wouldn't install this version.
> >> Try to install the 6.5.22 overlay or greater. It does indeed require
> some
> >> disks from this media set, but is more compatible with newer open source
> >> software built for the platform.
> >>
> >> Installing 6.5.0 seems like a waste of time...
> >>
> >> So instead of sneering about it, why not upload ISOs of that version?
> >
> > g.
> >
> > --
> > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
> > http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
> > Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.
> >
> > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> > http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
> >
>

Re: For you SGI fans...

[Ian Finder]

> So instead of sneering about it, why not upload ISOs of that version?

I wasn't sneering at it. My goal was to advise people not to waste time
performing a 4 hour install process that takes 6 CDs that each need to be
read in twice only to find out they can't run anything. IRIX is one of the
worst OSes to go thru such a process for.

There's no need to be such an asshole about it, Gene.
I was already planning on looking for the .22 CDs to upload when I get home
from work, but it's times like this I wonder why I try to lift a finger to
do anything for this community.

Cheers,

- Ian

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 12:50 PM, geneb  wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016, Ian Finder wrote:
>
> This is a great start, but I wouldn't install this version.
>> Try to install the 6.5.22 overlay or greater. It does indeed require some
>> disks from this media set, but is more compatible with newer open source
>> software built for the platform.
>>
>> Installing 6.5.0 seems like a waste of time...
>>
>> So instead of sneering about it, why not upload ISOs of that version?
>
>
> g.
>
> --
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
> http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
> Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.
>
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
>



-- 
   Ian Finder
   (206) 395-MIPS
   ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: For you SGI fans...

[geneb]

On Tue, 12 Jan 2016, Ian Finder wrote:


So instead of sneering about it, why not upload ISOs of that version?


I wasn't sneering at it. My goal was to advise people not to waste time
performing a 4 hour install process that takes 6 CDs that each need to be
read in twice only to find out they can't run anything. IRIX is one of the
worst OSes to go thru such a process for.

Because the way you worded it appeared to invalidate what was done without 
offering anything more than "a waste of time".  Had you written, "It's a 
waste of time because ", then I probably wouldn't have 
been a dick about it.


g.

--
Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.

ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!

Re: For you SGI fans...

[Jacob Ritorto]

Man, I've not fired up my I2 R1 and Indy R5000 for a good decade.  Twas
such a great desktop compared to others of the day, even well after.  I
actually still miss many of the aspects of simplicity.  And the graphics
effects were spectacular.  I should see if I can dig them up and get them
going.  I remember that there were freeware companion CDs out for them, but
obviously you'd want to build new now.  Do any of the open source projects
still bother with IRIX, even if it's at latest 6.5.22?

thx
jake

Re: For you SGI fans...

[Ian S. King]

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Jacob Ritorto 
wrote:

> Man, I've not fired up my I2 R1 and Indy R5000 for a good decade.  Twas
> such a great desktop compared to others of the day, even well after.  I
> actually still miss many of the aspects of simplicity.  And the graphics
> effects were spectacular.  I should see if I can dig them up and get them
> going.  I remember that there were freeware companion CDs out for them, but
> obviously you'd want to build new now.  Do any of the open source projects
> still bother with IRIX, even if it's at latest 6.5.22?
>
> thx
> jake
>

I need to put the two-proc module in my Octane and fire it up.  Anyone know
of the top of his/her head if I have to reinstall IRIX, or does it pick up
on the multiproc config at boot and Do The Right Thing?  Or do I just need
to RTFM?

-- 
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School 
Dissertation: "Why the Conversation Mattered: Constructing a Sociotechnical
Narrative Through a Design Lens

Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal 
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab 

University of Washington

There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."

Re: For you SGI fans...

[Ian Finder]

Alright- I'm not gonna get into this- people on listservs will always get
what they want to out of a message- usually the worst.

I am gonna look for my 6.2 CDs for the guy who has a Crimson, but I fear
they're 2000 miles away in Chicago-- sitting on top of my Crimson. :(
I'll look around for older versions like 4 and 3 as well... I know they're
somewhere in my RAID

I /DID/ find 6.5.22 and imaged it.

I've *temporarily *placed the 6.5.22 overlay media on my server- someone
should upload it to archive.org. I will do it at some point later, when I'm
not on a cell phone... If I remember.
http://quaalud.es/requests-ccmp/irix-6522/

Note: *This release is an overlay and still requires the 6.5.0 foundation
set on Archive.org*- thus my comment that it was a good start!
No invalidation of what others have done- in fact it is necessary to build
on! (Thank you, Jason!)

You need this version to run any of the excellent freeware packages in
nekoware:
http://nekochan.net/what-is-nekowar.html

Cheers,

- Ian


On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 2:54 PM, geneb  wrote:

> On Tue, 12 Jan 2016, Ian Finder wrote:
>
> So instead of sneering about it, why not upload ISOs of that version?
>>>
>>
>> I wasn't sneering at it. My goal was to advise people not to waste time
>> performing a 4 hour install process that takes 6 CDs that each need to be
>> read in twice only to find out they can't run anything. IRIX is one of the
>> worst OSes to go thru such a process for.
>>
>> Because the way you worded it appeared to invalidate what was done
> without offering anything more than "a waste of time".  Had you written,
> "It's a waste of time because ", then I probably wouldn't
> have been a dick about it.
>
>
> g.
>
> --
> Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007
> http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind.
> http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home.
> Some people collect things for a hobby.  Geeks collect hobbies.
>
> ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment
> A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes.
> http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
>



-- 
   Ian Finder
   (206) 395-MIPS
   ian.fin...@gmail.com

Re: For you SGI fans...

[Jules Richardson]

On 01/12/2016 05:19 PM, Jacob Ritorto wrote:

Man, I've not fired up my I2 R1 and Indy R5000 for a good decade.


My I2's just sort of sitting there are the moment because I could really 
use something* to give it a purpose (it's a Max Impact system with 2 x 4GB 
disks and 384MB of memory, so it was a pretty good spec for the day). 
Originated with Cray, but (unsurprisingly) they did everything via remote 
NFS mounts, so there's not really anything interesting on the disks.


* demos, applications, whatever... something that makes good use of the 
graphic abilities, anyway. When I last looked it seemed that there wasn't 
much out there which wasn't still considered commercial software, and so 
unobtainable without the original media.


cheers

Jules

Character ROMs for HP 2631G printer / 264x terminals

[CuriousMarc]

I just resurrected a nice HP 2631G dot matrix line printer: 
Like here: http://www.hpmuseum.net/display_item.php?hw=316
It has 3 empty slots for extra character ROMs, so I am itching to install 
some... Anyone has ever made a dump of these character ROMs? Apparently these 
are the same as the extra character sets ROMs used in the 264x terminal. Math, 
Line Draw and Japanese would be particularly fun... And French too as a nod to 
my roots.

Marc

Re: For you SGI fans...

[ethan]

I need to put the two-proc module in my Octane and fire it up.  Anyone know
of the top of his/her head if I have to reinstall IRIX, or does it pick up
on the multiproc config at boot and Do The Right Thing?  Or do I just need
to RTFM?


I can't remember any issue going from single CPU to 32.

I might have 6.5.26 or 27 or something? I had to download some recent 
version of the overlays to get 8 channel recording support via lightpipe 
on one of the IRIX tools. Sadly the excellent IRIX man pages are wrong 
about the utility, it was definitely at the end of IRIX.


The Solaris CD page is gonna be HUGE with all the versions of that thing 
;-)



--
Ethan O'Toole

Re: For you SGI fans...

[ethan]

Man, I've not fired up my I2 R1 and Indy R5000 for a good decade.  Twas
such a great desktop compared to others of the day, even well after.  I
actually still miss many of the aspects of simplicity.  And the graphics


Just a heads up, SGI Indigo2 power supplies will fail, and it's a few caps 
that are documented online (4 if I recall) that just need to be swapped.



--
Ethan O'Toole

Re: For you SGI fans...

[ethan]

is this allowed? i thought it was under a restrictive licence and was not
allowed to be shared freely like this?
I am not complaining at all, im making about 500 copies of everything on
that page ,ive been stuck outta luck with a sgi crimson without the irix
6.2 install disk needed to make it work. but still ,are you legally allowed
to make copies like this?


It's just media, and it's a way dead platform.

Another issue is that some of it requires this license file thing that has 
these codes that are needed for things like the C and C++ compilers, which 
generally won't compile stuff written for GCC without modifications.


So if you find SGI machines always try to reset the root password and look 
for the license.dat file to check if it has anything special. The file 
contents look like this:


http://pastebin.com/sw4fUyxP

Re: I COULD JUST KICK MYSELF IN THE BUTT!!! commodore pet . . .

[Mike]

On 01/07/2016 03:24 PM, William Donzelli wrote:
>> I don't know if
>> any of you remember when they switched over to the unlimited monthly
>> plan but as for in Oregon AOL Servers crashed for about 3 months from
>> such a heavy load of members dialing up and connecting quick question
>> here _*<--- Did this happen in your area if so where were you?*_
> Yes, I remember those times. I was everywhere.
>
> --
> Will, ex will...@ans.net
I don't think they had ANY IDEA how many people were going to hit there
servers back then lol!  ! !

Amazing game???

[Mike]

I have went over and over the code here

http://www.atariarchives.org/basicgames/showpage.php?page=3



but this is what I get???


http://i64.tinypic.com/nci35y.jpg

I know all the code is right is there a misprint in the book?

I am pulling my hair out...LOL