Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms

[simon]

I am very curious as what you are talking about. Is it something with 
html in mail? I configured thunderbird to only show me plain text so I 
can focus on the content and not some graphic noise.



simon
On 20-11-15 23:06, Peter Coghlan wrote:


Just a hit . . scanning/printing without having to  go to kinkos   etc
to any of  you  needing something that  will

print--- nice photos
print  11 x 17
scan a tad larger than  11 x 17
fax
reasonable price
free OCR software
built in duplex printing
has a bin sheet feeder too  for doc  size

get a hp officejet 7612

I got mine on sale  for  $160

not a speed demon but  a helpful device
it is handy.  there are  times we need to print something larger  than
legal size  for museum  displays  etc  or   scan  large magazine  cover,
schematics  etc...  it  has  worked well.

we use this   for  pretty much in house  use.

patrons needing lots of something  scanned  we have  still  have to
contract with one of our  offsite  vendors.
(shoemakers  children analogy etc.)

Ed Sharpe archivist  for SMECC



Are you formatting your outgoing emails like this in retaliation for not
getting [cctech]/[cctalk] in the subject line in order to be able to sort
your incoming AOL mail?

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.



--
Met vriendelijke Groet,

Simon Claessen
drukknop.nl

1980s/1990s 68k C cross (and not so cross) compilers

[Philip Pemberton]

Hi there,

I'm working on reverse engineering a radio navigation receiver
(surprisingly not GPS, something else... Datatrak if anyone's heard of
it) for the purpose of either repurposing the hardware or building up
some kind of demo rig.

A lot of my effort at the moment seems to be identifying C Library
functions and naming them. Ideally, I'd like to identify the compiler
and CLib and feed that into the disassembler to eliminate that work.

Does anyone know which 68000 compilers were available in 1993, and which
could produce ROM code? Or a few?



I've looked at Aztec C68K but ruled it out on the basis that the _strlen
library function doesn't match up -- this is the one from the ROM:

_strlen:
  movea.l  4(sp), a0
  move.l   a0, d0
_strlen_l001:
  tst.b(a0+)
  bne.s_strlen_l001
  sub.la0, d0
  not.ld0
  rts


Aztec is identical up to the bne, then:

  sub.ld0, a0
  move.l   a0, d0
  sub,l#1, d0
  rts

Which is one instruction longer... so it's not Aztec.


Other parts of the system apparently used VME-bus modules... so this
wasn't a small operation.

Anyway, whatever compiler this is, it pulls in Motorola's Fast Floating
Point library.


Thanks,
-- 
Phil.
classic...@philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/

Looking for an IBM manual PDF

[Christian Gauger-Cosgrove]

Hello all,

I'm looking for a PDF copy of IBM manual GC26-3792-8. The System
Generation manual for MVS 3.8; the only PDF I found of GC26-3792 is of
the -1 version, which is not particularly helpful.

I found a DjVu of the manual (via this site:
) namely here:

Unfortunately, downloading the DjVu file does nothing (SumatraPDF on
Windows can't render any of the pages, and Evince on Debian 8.2.0 just
ignores the file); the Java applet to view it works... except it
doesn't play nice with my accessibility needs.

So, anyone have a PDF of that manual?

Cheers,
Christian

Re: 11/70 front panel colors

[Charles Dickman]

Here is my attempt to convert the DEC Standard 092 color specifications to RGB

http://www.chdickman.com/pdp8/DECcolors/

No Wild Rose on the list, but there is a Brite Rose.


On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 4:57 PM, rod  wrote:
>
> Thanks Al
>  Well they say you never stop leaning and I did not know that.
> Rod
>
>
>
> On 15/11/15 18:08, Al Kossow wrote:
>>
>> On 11/15/15 9:43 AM, rod wrote:
>>
>>> Right now back to 11/70 front panels. Anybody know what the colours are
>>> called?
>>
>>
>> Magenta and Wild Rose
>>
>>
>

Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms

[Jay Jaeger]

Basically, I expect that the complaint is that the lines have extraneous forced 
new lines in them instead of just flowing and letting the recipients email 
client take care of it.  I use Thunderbird and noticed this behavior but I 
don't yet know how to fix it either.

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 21, 2015, at 03:27, simon  wrote:
> 
> I am very curious as what you are talking about. Is it something with html in 
> mail? I configured thunderbird to only show me plain text so I can focus on 
> the content and not some graphic noise.
> 
> 
> simon
> On 20-11-15 23:06, Peter Coghlan wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just a hit . . scanning/printing without having to  go to kinkos   etc
>>> to any of  you  needing something that  will
>>> 
>>> print--- nice photos
>>> print  11 x 17
>>> scan a tad larger than  11 x 17
>>> fax
>>> reasonable price
>>> free OCR software
>>> built in duplex printing
>>> has a bin sheet feeder too  for doc  size
>>> 
>>> get a hp officejet 7612
>>> 
>>> I got mine on sale  for  $160
>>> 
>>> not a speed demon but  a helpful device
>>> it is handy.  there are  times we need to print something larger  than
>>> legal size  for museum  displays  etc  or   scan  large magazine  cover,
>>> schematics  etc...  it  has  worked well.
>>> 
>>> we use this   for  pretty much in house  use.
>>> 
>>> patrons needing lots of something  scanned  we have  still  have to
>>> contract with one of our  offsite  vendors.
>>> (shoemakers  children analogy etc.)
>>> 
>>> Ed Sharpe archivist  for SMECC
>> 
>> Are you formatting your outgoing emails like this in retaliation for not
>> getting [cctech]/[cctalk] in the subject line in order to be able to sort
>> your incoming AOL mail?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Peter Coghlan.
> 
> -- 
> Met vriendelijke Groet,
> 
> Simon Claessen
> drukknop.nl

Re: Query for dec teleprinter roms

[Mouse]

> Basically, I expect that the complaint is that the lines have extraneous for$

Actually, speaking personally, that is less relevant than the irregular
spacing - and even that is not really much of a problem, not nearly as
much of an annoyance as multi-hundred-character lines the recipient is
expected to add line-breaks to but which are not marked as reflowable.
(If you want the recipient to reflow text, RFC3676 is your friend.)

Mouse

Emulation

[wulfman]

I know most of you have or are searching for the real thing.
But for those of you that still don't have what your looking for, the arcade
emulator  MAME has now included most old computers in their emulation
program.

I have seen everything from apple computers to vax systems, while
searching for game roms.

Most are still non functioning as of this version but they are working
on making them work.

one that does work is a pdp1.

http://mamedev.org/  emulator
http://www.mameui.info/ windows gui front end
http://retroroms.net   most current list of roms in the download
section, free reg required

I have been collecting roms for years for repair of my huge collection
of game board
but this is the first time i have seen the retro computers in the rom sets.
maybe if they are in need of a rom dump for some obscure computer one of
you have
you can contribute to the scene by dumping and sending the rom they are
looking for.

As always happy retro computing.

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Re: 11/70 front panel colors

[rod]

Thank you Charles
  Most kind. Busy getting ready for the 
first run of 8/e A and B next week.

Rod




On 21/11/15 14:04, Charles Dickman wrote:

Here is my attempt to convert the DEC Standard 092 color specifications to RGB

http://www.chdickman.com/pdp8/DECcolors/

No Wild Rose on the list, but there is a Brite Rose.


On Sun, Nov 15, 2015 at 4:57 PM, rod  wrote:

Thanks Al
  Well they say you never stop leaning and I did not know that.
Rod



On 15/11/15 18:08, Al Kossow wrote:

On 11/15/15 9:43 AM, rod wrote:


Right now back to 11/70 front panels. Anybody know what the colours are
called?


Magenta and Wild Rose

Re: Emulation

[Ray Arachelian]

On 11/21/2015 10:16 AM, wulfman wrote:
> I know most of you have or are searching for the real thing.
> But for those of you that still don't have what your looking for, the arcade
> emulator  MAME has now included most old computers in their emulation
> program.
What you really want is the MESS project, http://www.mess.org/ - which
is part of MAME and has retro computer emulators.

RE: 1980s/1990s 68k C cross (and not so cross) compilers

[Mark Green]

When I was doing 68K development work in the 1990s we used the GNU C compiler 
to cross compile.  It was a popular choice, so you might want to give it a try.

-Original Message-
From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Philip 
Pemberton
Sent: November 21, 2015 5:54 AM
To: cctalk 
Subject: 1980s/1990s 68k C cross (and not so cross) compilers

Hi there,

I'm working on reverse engineering a radio navigation receiver (surprisingly 
not GPS, something else... Datatrak if anyone's heard of
it) for the purpose of either repurposing the hardware or building up some kind 
of demo rig.

A lot of my effort at the moment seems to be identifying C Library functions 
and naming them. Ideally, I'd like to identify the compiler and CLib and feed 
that into the disassembler to eliminate that work.

Does anyone know which 68000 compilers were available in 1993, and which could 
produce ROM code? Or a few?



I've looked at Aztec C68K but ruled it out on the basis that the _strlen 
library function doesn't match up -- this is the one from the ROM:

_strlen:
  movea.l  4(sp), a0
  move.l   a0, d0
_strlen_l001:
  tst.b(a0+)
  bne.s_strlen_l001
  sub.la0, d0
  not.ld0
  rts


Aztec is identical up to the bne, then:

  sub.ld0, a0
  move.l   a0, d0
  sub,l#1, d0
  rts

Which is one instruction longer... so it's not Aztec.


Other parts of the system apparently used VME-bus modules... so this wasn't a 
small operation.

Anyway, whatever compiler this is, it pulls in Motorola's Fast Floating Point 
library.


Thanks,
--
Phil.
classic...@philpem.me.uk
http://www.philpem.me.uk/


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Re: MCBA COBOL/DIBOL App Docs

[Chuck Guzis]

On 11/20/2015 09:08 PM, Jason T wrote:

Oh dear, look at all this COBOL (and DIBOL, too.)  This is pretty dry
stuff, folks.  But there isn't much out there from this vendor, so
here it is:

http://chiclassiccomp.org/docs/index.php?dir=%2Fcomputing/MCBA

Free to add to your collection, as always.

I have some 9-track tapes that may or may not contain some MCBA
software, as well, which I'll get to someday.


MCBA is still very much in business, FWIW.  I've got the source to the 
usual business apps (AP/AR/GL/Payroll,Inventory...) done in BASIC.  I 
don't know of MCBA's policy on redistributing this stuff--so I don't 
bother with it.


--Chuck

Brian Brikon diskette drive tester

[Steven Hirsch]

I purchased one of these units on eBay and it seems to be working - modulo 
a few early-80s tantalum caps that went up in smoke.


The tester relies on an attached printer to record test results, which are 
displayed only fleetingly on the front-panel display.  Unfortunately it 
did not come with the printer and I cannot find any information on line.


Does anyone have information on this?  Is it serial?  Parallel?  The 
onnector is a 20-pin, 0.1" DIP header on the rear panel.  The tester 
supplies printer power on a small 3-pin Molex connector.


I can probably trace this out on the internal logic board, but thought 
perhaps another list member owns one of these and can elaborate.


I'm also trying to find the manual appropriate to a base Model 723 tester. 
The one floating around on the net is for an upscale model (723-4M). 
While there are a number of similarities, I'm running into just enough 
behavioral difference to make it worth finding the correct docs.  There's 
also a programming and setup "worksheet" document that has not surfaced 
anywhere.



--

Re: 1980s/1990s 68k C cross (and not so cross) compilers

[Ray Arachelian]

On 11/21/2015 05:54 AM, Philip Pemberton wrote:
> Hi there,
>
> I'm working on reverse engineering a radio navigation receiver
> (surprisingly not GPS, something else... Datatrak if anyone's heard of
> it) for the purpose of either repurposing the hardware or building up
> some kind of demo rig.
>
> A lot of my effort at the moment seems to be identifying C Library
> functions and naming them. Ideally, I'd like to identify the compiler
> and CLib and feed that into the disassembler to eliminate that work.
>
> Does anyone know which 68000 compilers were available in 1993, and which
> could produce ROM code? Or a few?
>
On the Mac side there was Sesame C, a shareware compiler, not sure if it
could produce ROM code, and ofc Think C.  It's probably unlikely that
these were used on the DataTrak.

Re: Emulation

[Al Kossow]

On 11/21/15 7:16 AM, wulfman wrote:


I have been collecting roms for years for repair of my huge collection
of game board
but this is the first time i have seen the retro computers in the rom sets.



There were two independent projects, MAME and MESS. MESS was merged with MAME
recently to make core code merges easier. Since most of the non-encrypted arcade
games have been simulated, more and more effort is going into preserving pretty
much anything the developers are interested in that has a CPU. A lot of work has
been going on improving 68K Macintosh and IBM PC simulators. A lot of the 
public-facing
discussions go on at 
http://forums.bannister.org/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=1&page=1

--al (mamedev since the mid-90's)

Re: 1980s/1990s 68k C cross (and not so cross) compilers

[Al Kossow]

On 11/21/15 8:09 AM, Mark Green wrote:


Does anyone know which 68000 compilers were available in 1993, and which could 
produce ROM code? Or a few?



In the embedded space, Alcyon and Green Hills
Metrowerks maybe. I'm more familiar with their CodeWarrior Mac product. They 
were bought out by Motorola.

Re: HP 7914

[Al Kossow]

On 11/20/15 7:16 PM, Jay West wrote:

I have a board from a HP 7914 disc drive (07914-60001). No clue how I
obtained it, as I've never owned a 7914 (but did have a hard luck case 7912,
which is long gone). In any case... free for shipping if anyone wants it.

J




There are a bunch of 7912/4 boards on eBay right now. I picked up one that had 
a CPU to
dump the firmware since I've never seen one. I'm guessing the guy had a bunch 
and scrapped
them for the gold.

Re: Looking for an IBM manual PDF

[Al Kossow]

On 11/21/15 1:38 AM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:


Unfortunately, downloading the DjVu file does nothing


and Firefox reports it as a web forgery.

If someone can find real djvu files for those manuals, I will
convert them to pdf and put them on bitsavers.

Any site that requires you to start java and use their djvu
web applet is concentrated evil.

Re: 1980s/1990s 68k C cross (and not so cross) compilers

[Al Kossow]

On 11/21/15 2:54 AM, Philip Pemberton wrote:


Which is one instruction longer... so it's not Aztec.



Alcyon was popular.

Re: 1980s/1990s 68k C cross (and not so cross) compilers

[Chuck Guzis]

On 11/21/2015 08:51 AM, Ray Arachelian wrote:


On the Mac side there was Sesame C, a shareware compiler, not sure if
it could produce ROM code, and ofc Think C.  It's probably unlikely
that these were used on the DataTrak.



Let's not forget the VersaDOS/EXORmacs platforms.  That's where I did my 
80's 68K work.


--Chuck

Re: 1980s/1990s 68k C cross (and not so cross) compilers

[Al Kossow]

On 11/21/15 9:29 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:


Let's not forget the VersaDOS/EXORmacs platforms.  That's where I did my 80's 
68K work.



Arg, totally forgot to include the HP 64000 and Tek 8560 development systems 
though I'm
blanking right now on if they did their own or sold third-party C compilers.

Re: 1980s/1990s 68k C cross (and not so cross) compilers

[Dennis Boone]

 > Does anyone know which 68000 compilers were available in 1993, and
 > which could produce ROM code? Or a few?

There are a few listed here:

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/motorola/68k-chips-faq/

De

Re: 1980s/1990s 68k C cross (and not so cross) compilers

[Paul Koning]

> On Nov 21, 2015, at 12:40 PM, Al Kossow  wrote:
> 
> On 11/21/15 9:29 AM, Chuck Guzis wrote:
> 
>> Let's not forget the VersaDOS/EXORmacs platforms.  That's where I did my 
>> 80's 68K work.
>> 
> 
> Arg, totally forgot to include the HP 64000 and Tek 8560 development systems 
> though I'm
> blanking right now on if they did their own or sold third-party C compilers.

Third party, I believe.  I used one of those for a 68040 (developing the 
DECbridge 900).  I think the compiler was Green Hills.  GCC was around, I 
think, but that isn't the one we used as far as I remember.

paul

Re: MCBA COBOL/DIBOL App Docs

[Jason T]

On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Chuck Guzis  wrote:
> MCBA is still very much in business, FWIW.  I've got the source to the usual

You know, I googled around with their name and various search terms
and never bothered to just go to mcba.com.  It looks like their only
current product is called Quantum, with much the same functions as the
stuff I scanned.

Re: 1980s/1990s 68k C cross (and not so cross) compilers

[Al Kossow]

On 11/21/15 10:44 AM, Paul Koning wrote:


Arg, totally forgot to include the HP 64000 and Tek 8560 development systems 
though I'm
blanking right now on if they did their own or sold third-party C compilers.


Third party, I believe.  I used one of those for a 68040 (developing the 
DECbridge 900).  I think the compiler was Green Hills.  GCC was around, I 
think, but that isn't the one we used as far as I remember.

paul



It would have been impossible to use GCC on the 8560, it was a V7 PDP-11 
Unix. The 64000 processor is pretty much the same as the HP 9845.

Re: 11/70 front panel colors

[Christian Gauger-Cosgrove]

On 21 November 2015 at 09:04, Charles Dickman  wrote:
> Here is my attempt to convert the DEC Standard 092 color specifications to RGB
>
> http://www.chdickman.com/pdp8/DECcolors/
>
> No Wild Rose on the list, but there is a Brite Rose.
>

A possible slight correction for your list.
Pantone Process Blue is 0, 133, 207 (X'0082CA'). Basing this off of
the Pantone Solid Coated colour library in Adobe Photoshop CC2015.


Cheers,
Christian
-- 
Christian M. Gauger-Cosgrove
STCKON08DS0
Contact information available upon request.

Re: Gene Amdahl, Pioneer of Mainframe Computing, Dies at 92

[Murray McCullough]

Stephan, referring to the article in The New York Times, mentions
Amdal, Cray and Wozniak: Pioneers in computing whether large,
super-large or small(micro). Who knows of, in the microcomputing
world, Amdahl and Cray? One wonders!

Happy computing,

Murray :)

Re: 1980s/1990s 68k C cross (and not so cross) compilers

[Paul Koning]

> On Nov 21, 2015, at 2:38 PM, Al Kossow  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/21/15 10:44 AM, Paul Koning wrote:
> 
>>> Arg, totally forgot to include the HP 64000 and Tek 8560 development 
>>> systems though I'm
>>> blanking right now on if they did their own or sold third-party C compilers.
>> 
>> Third party, I believe.  I used one of those for a 68040 (developing the 
>> DECbridge 900).  I think the compiler was Green Hills.  GCC was around, I 
>> think, but that isn't the one we used as far as I remember.
>> 
>>  paul
>> 
> 
> It would have been impossible to use GCC on the 8560, it was a V7 PDP-11 
> Unix. The 64000 processor is pretty much the same as the HP 9845.

Ok, I may be mixing up my model numbers.  We had a logic analyzer as part of 
our dev system, either HP or Tek, I don't remember.  But the compiling was done 
on VMS, I'm pretty sure.  Either that, or Digital Unix.

paul

Re: Looking for an IBM manual PDF

[Eric Christopherson]

On Nov 21, 2015 10:47 AM, "Al Kossow"  wrote:
>
> On 11/21/15 1:38 AM, Christian Gauger-Cosgrove wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately, downloading the DjVu file does nothing
>
>
> and Firefox reports it as a web forgery.
>
> If someone can find real djvu files for those manuals, I will
> convert them to pdf and put them on bitsavers.
>
> Any site that requires you to start java and use their djvu
> web applet is concentrated evil.

FWIW, Christian's message is shown in Gmail along with a warning that
"similar" messages (similar how?) are often phishing attempts.

>
>
>

Re: ICL Quattro

[Dave Wade]

Might be worth trying the UK tnmoc guys. They have lots of ICL docs. Sorry
its cryptic but travelling with limited web access
On Nov 12, 2015 12:51 PM, "supervinx"  wrote:

> Hi!
> I found an ICL Quattro desktop computer.
> It looks in good shape, I had to repair only the PSU.
> Powering it up, I see disk activity, but I haven't his (proprietary?)
> monitor.
> On the back, I see a bunch of serial ports (DCE? DTE?) and a DB15
> connector, I guess for monitor/kbd attachment.
> I tried to connect a terminal to the serial ports, with null modem and
> straight settings, but I had no answers.
> Do someone have some infos about the proprietary monitor/kbd port?
> Can it be run without the original monitor/kbd system?
> Or should I think about it as a... doorstopper? :D
>
> Thanks!
> --
> Vincenzo (aka Supervinx)
>
> --==ooOoo==--
> My computer collection:
> http://www.supervinx.com/OnlineMuseum
>
> --==ooOoo==--
> You can reach me at:
> www.supervinx.com
> www.facebook.com/supervinx
> http://www.youtube.com/user/supervinx
> http://www.myspace.com/supervinx
>
>

Re: Fw: new message

[Dave Wade]

Most browsers can be hijacked via DNS or IP address stealing. Thats how
much public access wifi works. Any attempt to access any page diverts to a
login page.
On Nov 14, 2015 12:05 AM, "Chuck Guzis"  wrote:

> On 11/13/2015 09:29 AM, ben wrote:
>
> Windows new feature ... Auto Click
>> Sigh.
>>
>
> Oh, I don't know if that's a new feature.  I recall getting a DSL modem
> and getting instructions to bring up Internet Explorer after the ethernet
> cable had been connected to my computer.
>
> Well, I don't normally use Windows, but I have a couple of systems with XP
> installed, so I dragged them out and plugged in the modem.  I brought up
> IE8 without keying in a URL and viewed the display "Configuring your modem"
> was the message along with the pretty colors of the modem sender.
>
> Holy cow!  It didn't even ask if I wanted to point the browser at the
> configuration page.  Shades of COFEE.  Does anyone else think that this is
> a great feature and not a security hole?
>
> --Chuck
>
>

Re: Looking for an IBM manual PDF

[Christian Gauger-Cosgrove]

On 21 November 2015 at 20:40, Eric Christopherson
 wrote:
> FWIW, Christian's message is shown in Gmail along with a warning that
> "similar" messages (similar how?) are often phishing attempts.
>
Porbably because URLs were in the e-mail, I would guess.

...And now I'm probably in a spam list. So that's fun.


Also, I'd like to send my thanks out to Jim Stephens who found both a
better link to the manuals, and more importantly a way to get the DjVu
files to PDF. Thank you kindly!

Cheers,
Christian
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STCKON08DS0
Contact information available upon request.

Re: Fw: new message

[Eric Christopherson]

On Sun, Nov 22, 2015, Dave Wade wrote:
> Most browsers can be hijacked via DNS or IP address stealing. Thats how
> much public access wifi works. Any attempt to access any page diverts to a
> login page.

True enough. When I first read Chuck's message I misunderstood and
thought he meant that IE opened the page even though it was configured
to open a blank page on startup; but I guess I was just assuming that
since that's *my* preference for new pages.

My ISP injects into web pages a helpful heads-up message if your account
is overdue. My work's network always prompts for a login unless you've
already logged in within some amount of time; I just reported to their
IT that this redirection doesn't work with any https: URL -- you just
get a thing saying the page can't be opened. With more pages being https
now, and major browsers being programmed to automatically try https
before http, this is a little annoying; unfortunately they told me this
was a shortcoming of the Cisco stuff they use, and they have no way of
fixing it.

> On Nov 14, 2015 12:05 AM, "Chuck Guzis"  wrote:
> 
> > On 11/13/2015 09:29 AM, ben wrote:
> >
> > Windows new feature ... Auto Click
> >> Sigh.
> >>
> >
> > Oh, I don't know if that's a new feature.  I recall getting a DSL modem
> > and getting instructions to bring up Internet Explorer after the ethernet
> > cable had been connected to my computer.
> >
> > Well, I don't normally use Windows, but I have a couple of systems with XP
> > installed, so I dragged them out and plugged in the modem.  I brought up
> > IE8 without keying in a URL and viewed the display "Configuring your modem"
> > was the message along with the pretty colors of the modem sender.
> >
> > Holy cow!  It didn't even ask if I wanted to point the browser at the
> > configuration page.  Shades of COFEE.  Does anyone else think that this is
> > a great feature and not a security hole?
> >
> > --Chuck
> >
> >

-- 
Eric Christopherson

Re: Fw: new message

[Adrian Stoness]

Yes they do buy the new merackie gear idiots
On Nov 22, 2015 12:14 AM, "Eric Christopherson" 
wrote:

> On Sun, Nov 22, 2015, Dave Wade wrote:
> > Most browsers can be hijacked via DNS or IP address stealing. Thats how
> > much public access wifi works. Any attempt to access any page diverts to
> a
> > login page.
>
> True enough. When I first read Chuck's message I misunderstood and
> thought he meant that IE opened the page even though it was configured
> to open a blank page on startup; but I guess I was just assuming that
> since that's *my* preference for new pages.
>
> My ISP injects into web pages a helpful heads-up message if your account
> is overdue. My work's network always prompts for a login unless you've
> already logged in within some amount of time; I just reported to their
> IT that this redirection doesn't work with any https: URL -- you just
> get a thing saying the page can't be opened. With more pages being https
> now, and major browsers being programmed to automatically try https
> before http, this is a little annoying; unfortunately they told me this
> was a shortcoming of the Cisco stuff they use, and they have no way of
> fixing it.
>
> > On Nov 14, 2015 12:05 AM, "Chuck Guzis"  wrote:
> >
> > > On 11/13/2015 09:29 AM, ben wrote:
> > >
> > > Windows new feature ... Auto Click
> > >> Sigh.
> > >>
> > >
> > > Oh, I don't know if that's a new feature.  I recall getting a DSL modem
> > > and getting instructions to bring up Internet Explorer after the
> ethernet
> > > cable had been connected to my computer.
> > >
> > > Well, I don't normally use Windows, but I have a couple of systems
> with XP
> > > installed, so I dragged them out and plugged in the modem.  I brought
> up
> > > IE8 without keying in a URL and viewed the display "Configuring your
> modem"
> > > was the message along with the pretty colors of the modem sender.
> > >
> > > Holy cow!  It didn't even ask if I wanted to point the browser at the
> > > configuration page.  Shades of COFEE.  Does anyone else think that
> this is
> > > a great feature and not a security hole?
> > >
> > > --Chuck
> > >
> > >
>
> --
> Eric Christopherson
>