Re: Could someone make the list do the thing in the subject line?
On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, et...@757.org wrote: By any chance could someone configure the mailing list to add or [cc] or [cct] into the beginning of the subject line? Not looking to filter, just not looking to delete messages. I *hate* modified subject lines, and I *hate* subjects that don't match the contents of the post, so I'm against this. There are enough possibilities to filter/sort Classiccmp mails; just have a look at some of the mail headers. So make a procmail/Sieve/whatever rule and sort the Classiccmp mails into another folder automatically. There is really no need to touch the subject. Christian
Re: Could someone make the list do the thing in the subject line?
On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, couryho...@aol.com wrote: COMBINE THEM THEN JUST ADD TWO LETTERS AND A DASH AS THUS CC- SOMEONE SUGGESTING THIS AND USING CAPITALS ONLY PROVES TO BE A MAIL NOOB ;-) Christian
Re: Could someone make the list do the thing in the subject line?
nope! think my first email program ran on windows 3.1 and... if I start in caps I finish in caps (tired old arthritic hands) Ed# In a message dated 11/18/2015 2:33:45 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, c...@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de writes: On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, couryho...@aol.com wrote: > COMBINE THEM THEN JUST ADD TWO LETTERS AND A DASH AS THUS > CC- SOMEONE SUGGESTING THIS AND USING CAPITALS ONLY PROVES TO BE A MAIL NOOB ;-) Christian
Re: Could someone make the list do the thing in the subject line?
good point Ethan that is one of the main reasons as if it has a list designator I would defiantly look at it then.Ed# Tue, 17 Nov 2015, et...@757.org wrote: > By any chance could someone configure the mailing list to add or [cc] or > [cct] into the beginning of the subject line? Not looking to filter, just not > looking to delete messages.
WD9000 Pascal Microengine floppy adapter (was Re: WD9000 Pascal microengine schematics available)
The WD9000 Pascal Microengine main box does not include floppy drives. It can support up to four floppy drives, which can be either 8-inch (500 kbps transfer rate), or 5.25-inch (250 kbps transfer rate), as selected by a DIP switch setting on the WD900 board. Unfortunately the DIP switch directly controls the clock rate into the 1793 FDC chip, so it is not possible to mix 250 kbps and 500 kbps drives. However, it should be possible to mix 8-inch drives with high-density 5.25 inch or 3.5 inch drives that use the 500 Kbps transfer rate. The floppy connector on the back of the WD9000 box (and the WD900 board) uses a DC37S connector, and the pinout seems to be unique to the Pascal Microengine. My Microengines did not come with the floppy drives or cabling. I've designed a simple adapter PCB, and just got the first boards back from PCBWay today. I haven't yet finished assembling one because I screwed up ordering on some of the components and connectors. Photos: https://www.flickr.com/photos/22368471@N04/albums/72157660580290148 The WD900 board uses an FD1791 double-density floppy controller. It appears that the main board may have been originally intended for the FD1771 single-density controller, as the board revs I've seen don't have a suitable double-density data separator built in. On one of my units, the FD1791 is on a daughterboard with a typical analog data separator design using the WD1691 floppy support logic and a 74LS629 VCO. My other board has the FD1791 on the main board, but has some significant rework to install an SMC FDC9216B digital data separator chip in place of one of the TTL chips originally used by the main board design. I've seen other WD900 boards with the FDC9216B modification, so I think this was rework done at manufacturing time, rather than a field change. One aspect of the floppy controller design seems a bit unusual. The WD controllers have a HLD output used to tell the floppy drive to load the head, and an HLT input (Head Load Timing) to indicate that the head is loaded. After the controller asserts HLD, it waits for HLT to go true before proceeding with read, write, or format operations. A typical 8-inch drive takes 35 ms to load the head, and maybe a few more for head settling. A common way to wire the controller is to use an external one-shot triggered by HLD, with its output wired to HLT, and adjusted for a time delay a little longer than the drive requires for loading the head. 8-inch drives typically can either be jumpered to use a dedicated head load control line on the interface to control the head load solenoid, or to automatically load and unload the head as the drive select signal is asserted and deasserted. Normal 8-inch drives have the head load solenoid to do what was previously described, and run the spindle motor either all the time, or whenever a disk is inserted and the door closed. 5.25-inch drives, and some later 8-inch drives such as the Tandon TM848, do away with the head load solenoid and instead are intended to operate with the spindle motor active only when the drive is selected, or when a motor control signal is active. As such, they don't require any head load time, but instead require a motor startup time that is even longer; the slowest drives require about a second for spinup. With a WD controller, this is also sometimes accomodated by using the one-shot between HLD and HLT. Some WD-based controller designs, such as those in the TRS-80 Model I, III, and 4, are only intended for 5.25-inch drives (or the 8-inch drives that use motor control and no head load solenoid), and tie the READY signal from the drive to the HLT input of the FDC. The WD900 board tries to acommodate these variations by bringing the HLT signal to its DC37S connector, for the system integrator to wire up as desired. The only complete Pascal Microengine system I've seen up close in recent history had a hand-wired drive cable to 8-inch drives, with the HLT signal simply tied to a +5V pin on the same connector. The net effect of that is that the FD1791 asserts HLD, delays 15ms if the h bit of the command is 1, and does not delay any further. Unless the drive can actually load its head that quickly, this doesn't seem ideal, but I suppose it works because the FDC won't be able to read a valid sector address field until the head is loaded. For a write operation, I'd worry that the head might not have fully settled by the time the actual write begins, possibly leading to unreliable writes. To support proper head load or motor spinup timing, I put an optional PIC microcontroller and DIP switch on the adapter, to act as a digital delay between HLD and HLT, with sixteen switch-selectable delays. The drive select lines are wired to PIC inputs, so if desired, firmware could actually use different delays for different drive selects, if you mix drives with different head load timing requirements. I haven't yet written any PIC code for it. The board should basically work as des
[cctalk] was: Could someone make the list do the thing in the subject line?
Hello all, unfortunately a lot of people *hate* things already. As I am subscribed to a lot of lists (about 10), this is the only one not using a [header] in the subject lines. Modified subject lines are like Re: Re: Re: foobar. people tend to forget that the subject of a message has changed, but the subject line not. And to trigger yet another trollbait, top or bottom posting is also bad/good ;-) On 18-11-15 10:28, Christian Corti wrote: On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, et...@757.org wrote: By any chance could someone configure the mailing list to add or [cc] or [cct] into the beginning of the subject line? Not looking to filter, just not looking to delete messages. I *hate* modified subject lines, and I *hate* subjects that don't match the contents of the post, so I'm against this. There are enough possibilities to filter/sort Classiccmp mails; just have a look at some of the mail headers. So make a procmail/Sieve/whatever rule and sort the Classiccmp mails into another folder automatically. There is really no need to touch the subject. Christian -- Met vriendelijke Groet, Simon Claessen drukknop.nl
[cctalk] Re: Could someone make the list do the [cctalk] thing in the subject line?
On 18-11-15 02:29, couryho...@aol.com wrote: DO NOT THINK I CAN MAKE THE AOL MAIL FILTER THAT WAY.. Hi Dave, There seems to be something wrong with your keyboard. is the caps key stuck? better replace it before someone misinterpret your messages. -- Met vriendelijke Groet, Simon Claessen drukknop.nl
Re: Could someone make the list do the [cctalk] thing in the subject line?
On 2015-11-17 21:32, Fred Cisin wrote: On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, Al Kossow wrote: Yes, they were two separate lists at one point, then someone decided to start forwarding messages between the two, and other people started posting replies to the wrong list. All of the replies to the post about the collection being given away was from cctalk, but the actual message was posted on cctech. You can't effectively filter out the crap from the other list because the headers being sent through aren't always right. I lost the original collection msg because my filter thought it had been sent from cctalk and forwarded to cctech. There was a discussion about getting rid of one or the other list. I wish someone would just DO IT. If I recall correctly (unrefreshed dynamic wetware RAM), it was not two separate lists. CCTECH was a subset of CCTALK. CCTECH was to be ON-topic ONLY, with CCTALK quite a bit looser, to be able to devolve into determining location from ham radio callsigns, etc. Everything posted to CCTECH was echoed on CCTALK. A participant needed only to subscribe to one list, depending on how tolerant they wanted to be about off-topic tangents. Then there was a horrible crash. It was neither Y2K, nor winter solctice 2012, but the entire universe came to an end, and there was NO list traffic at all! Heroic efforts were made, and the list[s] were brought back to life! But nobody could manage to successfully replicate the previous configuration, and all the king's horsemen and all the king's men could not put it back together again. Posts to CCTECH did get forwarded to CCTALK, and posts to CCTALK that were deemed to be ON-topic did get forwarded to CCTECH, and those foolish enough to be subscribed to both lists did get two copies. But, then the posts to CCTALK that were deemed worthy to be copied by CCTECH also got automagically forwarded back to CCTALK. When people posted to both lists, or replied to a post to both lists, or didn't pay attention to what they were doing, there were duplicates, and duplicates of duplicates, and sometimes duplicates of duplicates of duplicates. The list management have strived valiantly to repair the system, and have gotten pretty close, but it may never be quite as it was in the good ol' days.. Quite honestly, if you ask me, it didn't work in the good old days either. Johnny
Re: Could someone make the list do the [cctalk] thing in the subject line?
I think the most important thing is the system works. Duplicates are annoying but I'll take that over not getting my messages at all. > On Nov 18, 2015, at 4:11 AM, Johnny Billquist wrote: > >> On 2015-11-17 21:32, Fred Cisin wrote: >>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, Al Kossow wrote: >>> Yes, they were two separate lists at one point, then someone decided >>> to start forwarding messages between the two, and other people started >>> posting replies to the wrong list. All of the replies to the post >>> about the collection being given away was from cctalk, but the actual >>> message was posted on cctech. You can't effectively filter out the >>> crap from the other list because the headers being sent through aren't >>> always right. I lost the original collection msg because my filter >>> thought it had been sent from cctalk and forwarded to cctech. >>> There was a discussion about getting rid of one or the other list. >>> I wish someone would just DO IT. >> >> If I recall correctly (unrefreshed dynamic wetware RAM), it was not two >> separate lists. CCTECH was a subset of CCTALK. CCTECH was to be >> ON-topic ONLY, with CCTALK quite a bit looser, to be able to devolve >> into determining location from ham radio callsigns, etc. Everything >> posted to CCTECH was echoed on CCTALK. A participant needed only to >> subscribe to one list, depending on how tolerant they wanted to be about >> off-topic tangents. >> >> Then there was a horrible crash. It was neither Y2K, nor winter >> solctice 2012, but the entire universe came to an end, and there was NO >> list traffic at all! Heroic efforts were made, and the list[s] were >> brought back to life! >> >> But nobody could manage to successfully replicate the previous >> configuration, and all the king's horsemen and all the king's men could >> not put it back together again. Posts to CCTECH did get forwarded to >> CCTALK, and posts to CCTALK that were deemed to be ON-topic did get >> forwarded to CCTECH, and those foolish enough to be subscribed to both >> lists did get two copies. But, then the posts to CCTALK that were >> deemed worthy to be copied by CCTECH also got automagically forwarded >> back to CCTALK. When people posted to both lists, or replied to a post >> to both lists, or didn't pay attention to what they were doing, there >> were duplicates, and duplicates of duplicates, and sometimes duplicates >> of duplicates of duplicates. >> >> The list management have strived valiantly to repair the system, and >> have gotten pretty close, but it may never be quite as it was in the >> good ol' days.. > > Quite honestly, if you ask me, it didn't work in the good old days either. > >Johnny > >
RE: Could someone make the list do the thing in the subject line?
> > COMBINE THEM THEN JUST ADD TWO LETTERS AND A DASH AS THUS > > CC- > > SOMEONE SUGGESTING THIS AND USING CAPITALS ONLY PROVES TO BE A MAIL NOOB > ;-) Or is using a Model 33 ASR (or KSR) :-) -tony
Re: Could someone make the list do the thing in the subject line?
On 18 November 2015 at 11:14, tony duell wrote: > > > COMBINE THEM THEN JUST ADD TWO LETTERS AND A DASH AS THUS > > > CC- > > > > SOMEONE SUGGESTING THIS AND USING CAPITALS ONLY PROVES TO BE A MAIL NOOB > > ;-) > > Or is using a Model 33 ASR (or KSR) :-) > > -tony > MY INFOTON TERMINAL IS UPPERCASE ONLY! -- Yoyodyne Propulsion Systems: "The Future Begins Tomorrow" Visit us at: http://www.yoyodyne-propulsion.net "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." -- Jonathan Swift
[cctalk]Re: Could someone make the list do the thing in the subject line?
nothing a simple script on the connected computer can't fix though... On 18-11-15 12:48, John Many Jars wrote: On 18 November 2015 at 11:14, tony duell wrote: COMBINE THEM THEN JUST ADD TWO LETTERS AND A DASH AS THUS CC- SOMEONE SUGGESTING THIS AND USING CAPITALS ONLY PROVES TO BE A MAIL NOOB ;-) Or is using a Model 33 ASR (or KSR) :-) -tony MY INFOTON TERMINAL IS UPPERCASE ONLY! -- Met vriendelijke Groet, Simon Claessen drukknop.nl
Re: [cctalk]Re: Could someone make the list do the thing in the subject line?
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 4:22 AM, simon wrote: > nothing a simple script on the connected computer can't fix though... > > \\The \\Multics card reader job control handler maps uppercase to lowercase (many of the keypunch machines did uppercase only). \\You indicated uppercase with a leading \, but of course the \\U\\N\\I\\X shell treats \ as an escape, so when using my card deck submission script \\I have to escape the uppercase characters for the account name, project and password parameters. ./submitDeck test.deck \\Anthony \\Sys\\Eng sec\\Krit -- \\Charles
Front Panel
The front panel I needed to check the layout has arrived or at least got as far as the postal depot at Reading. There is some customs duty on it. So I'll be there at 07:00 when they open in the morning. I'll check the measurements and take the artwork over to the screen printers when I get back. Rod (Panelman) Smallwood
RE: Could someone make the list do the [cctalk] thing in the subject line?
On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, Jay West wrote: Ed# wrote... COMBINE THEM THEN JUST ADD TWO LETTERS AND A DASH AS THUS CC- No. How about [CC] prefixed by a Copyright symbol so we can streamline and process two arguments at once? :D g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: Could someone make the list do the [cctalk] thing in the subject line?
> > > > Ed# wrote... >> COMBINE THEM THEN JUST ADD TWO LETTERS AND A DASH AS THUS >> CC- >> >> No. >> > > How about [CC] prefixed by a Copyright symbol so we can streamline and > process two arguments at once? :D > > g. > > -- > > Why not just put a filter into your mail server or software to look for a cctalk-unique marker and simply append CCTALK to the subject? I have not followed every message in this thread, but it's pretty easy to append text using a content filter, at least for me and the set up I have. -- Bill
Re: Could someone make the list do the [cctalk] thing in the subject line?
On 11/17/2015 08:56 PM, Jay West wrote: On Tue, 17 Nov 2015, couryho...@aol.com wrote: DO NOT THINK I CAN MAKE THE AOL MAIL FILTER THAT WAY.. Shark Jumped Aae!!! -- --- Dave Woyciesjes --- ICQ# 905818 --- CompTIA A+ Certified IT Tech -http://certification.comptia.org/ --- HDI Certified Support Center Analyst -http://www.ThinkHDI.com/ Registered Linux user number 464583 "Computers have lots of memory but no imagination." "The problem with troubleshooting is that trouble shoots back." - from some guy on the internet.
Re: Could someone make the list do the thing in the subject line?
On Wed, 18 Nov 2015, couryho...@aol.com wrote: good point Ethan that is one of the main reasons as if it has a list designator I would defiantly look at it then.Ed# Did you mean "DEFINITELY"? We've seen enough DEFIANCE
Re: [cctalk] was: Could someone make the list do the thing in the subject line?
On 11/18/2015 04:05 AM, simon wrote: Hello all, unfortunately a lot of people *hate* things already. As I am subscribed to a lot of lists (about 10), this is the only one not using a [header] in the subject lines. I use Thunderbird, and the filter is set for : To: contains cctalk To: contains cctech cc: contains cctalk This seems to catch all variants of the messages and put them in their folder. Jon
Re: Could someone make the list do the thing in the subject line?
OR UC ONLY BEEHIVE TERMINAL! NOTHING LIKE 'RIDIN THE 'HIVE AT MIDNITE! In a message dated 11/18/2015 4:24:14 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, a...@p850ug1.demon.co.uk writes: > > COMBINE THEM THEN JUST ADD TWO LETTERS AND A DASH AS THUS > > CC- > > SOMEONE SUGGESTING THIS AND USING CAPITALS ONLY PROVES TO BE A MAIL NOOB > ;-) Or is using a Model 33 ASR (or KSR) :-) -tony =
WD9000 Pascal Microengine docu
I uploaded the last batch of documentation i have on the WD9000. Goodies are at ftp.dreesen.ch/WD9000 Note that there are now early and later versions of the schematics. Ref F6 of the schematic is what i put up earlier, I now combined them into a single PDF file. The earlier set E5 does show a different interrupt controller. Al, feel free to copy if it is of use to you. and now to get a 8 inch floppy imaging system set up. Jos
Re: WD9000 Pascal Microengine floppy adapter (was Re: WD9000 Pascal microengine schematics available)
Thanks for the writeup, luckily i have a complete system with 2x8" floppies. It is a SE-90, like this : http://www.thepcmuseum.net/details.php?RECORD_KEY%28museum%29=id&id%28museum%29=603 A very early system, and handwritten notes in the docu suggest it was a temperamental beast. I do wonder how may wd900 systems are still around. Likewise for the QBUS variant of the WD9000, that must also be extremely rare. Jos
Wanted: 9-track tapes.
Does anyone have any 9-track tapes for sale, preferably in the UK/EU? I'm getting tired of ordering NOS tape from the US just to find they've got sticky-shed... I'd also like one of those early IBM style reels, the red/blue ones with the three "viewing holes". Doesn't have to work. -Tom
Re: Wanted: 9-track tapes.
- Original Message - From: "Tom Moss" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 8:39 PM Subject: Wanted: 9-track tapes. > Does anyone have any 9-track tapes for sale, preferably in the UK/EU? I'm > getting tired of ordering NOS tape from the US just to find they've got > sticky-shed... > > I'd also like one of those early IBM style reels, the red/blue ones with > the three "viewing holes". Doesn't have to work. > > -Tom I have quite a few. I can even offer to erase them on a Qualstar 3412, so you (1) can be sure that they don't stick, and (2) that you don't have access to old user data. I believe some have "viewing holes". /Nico -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. SPAMfighter has removed 653 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len Do you have a slow PC? Try a Free scan http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen
Re: Could someone make the list do the [cctalk] thing in the subject line?
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 04:45:05PM -0800, Zane Healy wrote: > Better yet, leave it alone. The correct solution is for people to filter > their email. It’s better to have more characters that actually mean > something show up in the subject line. I'll second that motion. :-) -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: Could someone make the list do the thing in the subject line?
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:05:13AM +0100, simon wrote: > As I am subscribed to a lot of lists (about 10), this is the only one not > using a [header] in the subject lines. That's not a lot of lists. I'm subscribed to a few hundred. Checking my sieve filter I'm currently filtering 255 lists by the List-ID header. While many of the lists I'm on do have a [list id] in the subject line, many of the other lists I'm don't, and they're not needed on any of the lists I'm on. Filtering by a List-ID header is a much better option. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Could someone make this topic go away?
I'm sick of this junk. Let's get back to writing about real computers rather than arguing over how the lists should work. Sheesh. -Rick
Re: Could someone make this topic go away?
Yes! Who cares about that crap I don't get it so stupid and lame there's better things to care about like preserving computer history before we loose it On Nov 18, 2015 3:33 PM, "Rick Bensene" wrote: > I'm sick of this junk. Let's get back to writing about real computers > rather than arguing over how the lists should work. > > Sheesh. > > -Rick >
