Re: A Final Word (FINAL)
On 7/30/15 6:55 PM, Jay West wrote: You wrote I really dont see the reasoning behind my classiccmp ban, You just banned me for no reason.. You are incorrect. Just because you don't understand the reason doesn't mean I banned you for no reason. I will not be dragged into a senseless passive-aggressive exchange about it. Because of you I cant even come out to VCFMW with my 10 year old son.. You are also incorrect on this point. I did not mention VCFMW at all. I banned you from classiccmp, not VCFMW. You know how much thats going to hurt him that he doesn't get to show off his project that he worked so hard to program on his Apple II. Thats going to destroy him.. So I hope you are happy. Thanks for the fun times.. Hope this makes you sleep well at night knowing you destroyed a 10 year olds excitement. Statements like the above are a good portion of the reason why you were banned. I did not destroy a 10 year-olds excitement. You did that all on your own, through your own actions. J Jay Seriously go fuck yourself.. That is all. You are a Jackass. If i showed up to VCF Id promptly knock you on your ass, you and mos6581 both. Hence why Im not coming, you bitch boys arent worth sitting in a chicago jail over.. So go enjoy your dope smoking circle jerk and FUCK YOU
Re: Reforming capacitors (technical description, not politics)
When I reformed the 1967? capacitors in MARCH's straight 8 I took some data showing the improvement in leakage and also measured capacitance and ESR. I couldn't find original spec for the capacitor but the values seemed reasonable compared to datasheet for more recent capacitors. Graphs here. http://www.pdp8online.com/shows/vcfe15/slides/PDP-8_Restoration.html
Re: A Final Word (FINAL)
I know I'm just adding to the noise, but the absurdity of the subject title gave me a good chuckle. Jeez Steve, I had to double-take there to make sure I wasn't reading some 12 year old's youtube comments. On 31 July 2015 at 08:33, Steven Landon wrote: > On 7/30/15 6:55 PM, Jay West wrote: > >> You wrote >> >>> I really dont see the reasoning behind my classiccmp ban, You just >>> banned me for no reason.. >>> >> You are incorrect. Just because you don't understand the reason doesn't >> mean I banned you for no reason. I will not be dragged into a senseless >> passive-aggressive exchange about it. >> >> Because of you I cant even come out to VCFMW with my 10 year old son.. >>> >> You are also incorrect on this point. I did not mention VCFMW at all. I >> banned you from classiccmp, not VCFMW. >> >> You know how much thats going to hurt him that he doesn't get to show off >>> his project that he worked so hard to program on his Apple II. Thats going >>> to destroy him.. So I hope you are happy. >>> Thanks for the fun times.. Hope this makes you sleep well at night >>> knowing you destroyed a 10 year olds excitement. >>> >> Statements like the above are a good portion of the reason why you were >> banned. I did not destroy a 10 year-olds excitement. You did that all on >> your own, through your own actions. >> >> J >> >> >> >> >> >> Jay > > Seriously go fuck yourself.. That is all. You are a Jackass. > > If i showed up to VCF Id promptly knock you on your ass, you and mos6581 > both. Hence why Im not coming, you bitch boys arent worth sitting in a > chicago jail over.. So go enjoy your dope smoking circle jerk and FUCK > YOU >
Re: A Final Word (FINAL)
Remember that time bodily threatening someone on a nerd list got everyone to calm down? On Jul 31, 2015 3:33 AM, "Steven Landon" wrote: > On 7/30/15 6:55 PM, Jay West wrote: > >> You wrote >> >>> I really dont see the reasoning behind my classiccmp ban, You just >>> banned me for no reason.. >>> >> You are incorrect. Just because you don't understand the reason doesn't >> mean I banned you for no reason. I will not be dragged into a senseless >> passive-aggressive exchange about it. >> >> Because of you I cant even come out to VCFMW with my 10 year old son.. >>> >> You are also incorrect on this point. I did not mention VCFMW at all. I >> banned you from classiccmp, not VCFMW. >> >> You know how much thats going to hurt him that he doesn't get to show off >>> his project that he worked so hard to program on his Apple II. Thats going >>> to destroy him.. So I hope you are happy. >>> Thanks for the fun times.. Hope this makes you sleep well at night >>> knowing you destroyed a 10 year olds excitement. >>> >> Statements like the above are a good portion of the reason why you were >> banned. I did not destroy a 10 year-olds excitement. You did that all on >> your own, through your own actions. >> >> J >> >> >> >> >> >> Jay > > Seriously go fuck yourself.. That is all. You are a Jackass. > > If i showed up to VCF Id promptly knock you on your ass, you and mos6581 > both. Hence why Im not coming, you bitch boys arent worth sitting in a > chicago jail over.. So go enjoy your dope smoking circle jerk and FUCK > YOU >
Re: AM Varityper (phototypesetter)
> On Jul 30, 2015, at 10:02 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: > > I don't know how many of you were familiar with the Addressograph-Multigraph > (AM) Varityper phototypesetting systems. Basically small computers with > floppy drives and a (very nice) terminal--and a big box that held quite a > number of photo "font" disks. Basically worked by shining a light through a > specific disk and character onto light-sensitive paper. Produced gorgeous > print ready copy. Compugraphic and Mergenthaler had similar systems and I > think there were also several other competitors as well. My first job was software maintenance (on site) for DEC’s PDP11 typesetting software. The sort of machine you described was the common low end typesetter for our customers. High end came from companies like Autologic and, later, Mergenthaler-Linotype, using what amounted to an ultra-high resolution CRT on which the characters were drawn by an embedded computer. I remember CG and Mergenthaler-Linotype for these disk machines, don’t think we ran into AM. > At any rate, a pile of 8" HS floppies will be landing here in the near > future. Does anyone have any leads on Varityper service manuals or anything > might help me with the task of figuring out what on the disks? (The disks > themselves do not come from a country that uses the Latin alphabet). I wonder about that. It seems more likely the disks are in English, but use a non-standard character set. Typesetting systems in that era tended to use 6-bit codes which were specific to that industry and came in variations depending on the specific market. Those originated with punch tape driven “hot metal” typesetting machines, I think “Linotape” was a trade mark for those. paul
Re: A Final Word (FINAL)
Since the S/N ratio on the list is now at about 20 dB and falling, I am done with the list. Matt
Re: A Final Word (FINAL)
On Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Matt Patoray wrote: Since the S/N ratio on the list is now at about 20 dB and falling, I am done with the list. 7 messages (including yours...gah! Now *8*) out of 1163 is not exactly bad ratio. Maybe you forgot how to math today? :D g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
RM 380Z Special Control Unit (?)
I remember the Research Machines 380Z and wouldn't mind getting one should the opportunity arise. But I have no recollection of a "Special Control Unit", so does anyone know what this is? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Faulty-Vintage-Research-Machines-380Z-Special-Cont rol-Unit-Computer-/331617471655? Some kind of peripheral maybe? Regards Rob
Minuteman II Launch Control Computer
I recently visited the Minuteman II launch control facility in South Dakota, and was curious about the computers used there. Here's a photo of the rack, with the Boeing part numbers visible: http://i.imgur.com/KTaW3Il.jpg Some Googling of those numbers didn't really reveal much. People love to talk about the guidance computer in the missile itself, but I can't find much about what they used when turning the keys. I like the little placard on the computer about encrypted data in memory. The whole place is worth a visit if you're out that way. Does anyone have more information on these? Thanks! -- Ben Sinclair b...@bensinclair.com
RE: RM 380Z Special Control Unit (?)
> > I remember the Research Machines 380Z and wouldn't mind getting one should > the opportunity arise. But I have no recollection of a "Special Control > Unit", so does anyone know what this is? The PCBs and backplane in the last photo are not standard 380Z boards. The 380Z doesn't use edge connectors like that, the boards just slot in guides and are joined by a 50 way IDC cable (which also carries power (!)). To me this looks like an RML case that somebody has put an S100 backplane and a few boards in. I don't think it's an RML product (but would love to be proved wrong). -tony
Re: RM 380Z Special Control Unit (?)
On 07/31/2015 12:32 PM, Robert Jarratt wrote: I remember the Research Machines 380Z and wouldn't mind getting one should the opportunity arise. But I have no recollection of a "Special Control Unit", so does anyone know what this is? That's interesting... the case is typical of an early machine (later, black-cased systems were a bit more rugged), but I'm not aware of any 380Z system using a solid PCB backplane - they all had ribbon cable for the system bus. cheers Jules
Re: RM 380Z Special Control Unit (?)
On 31/07/2015 18:32, "Robert Jarratt" wrote: > I remember the Research Machines 380Z and wouldn't mind getting one should > the opportunity arise. But I have no recollection of a "Special Control > Unit", so does anyone know what this is? > > As Jules and Tony have said, that's not 380Z internals so if that puts you off I'll have a punt just for the power supply ;) -- Adrian/Witchy Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer collection?
IBM 5150 available ($)
Stopped in the local electronics haunt, and the owner directed me to a "Fine to Very Good" IBM 5150. I did not look at it closely, but externally appears to be very good shape with minor scratches on the under-side. It has two FH 5.25's, and a cassette port on back. He did say that "memory had been expanded". No monitor, keyboard, or mouse. He's asking $75.00. If someone has a serious interest, I'd be happy to go look at details on it. The owner is a friend and he'd certainly let me open it up if need be. I'd also be willing to pack/ship for the excruciating cost of. "A promise of a future beer" :) Best, J
RE: RM 380Z Special Control Unit (?)
> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Adrian > Graham > Sent: 31 July 2015 21:44 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > Subject: Re: RM 380Z Special Control Unit (?) > > > > > On 31/07/2015 18:32, "Robert Jarratt" wrote: > > > I remember the Research Machines 380Z and wouldn't mind getting one > > should the opportunity arise. But I have no recollection of a "Special > > Control Unit", so does anyone know what this is? > > > > > > As Jules and Tony have said, that's not 380Z internals so if that puts you off I'll > have a punt just for the power supply ;) > Be my guest, I am only interested in a 380Z really, and would prefer the black enclosure I remember using anyway. Regards Rob
Re: IBM 5150 available ($)
On Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Jay West wrote: Stopped in the local electronics haunt, and the owner directed me to a "Fine to Very Good" IBM 5150. I did not look at it closely, but externally appears to be very good shape with minor scratches on the under-side. It has two FH 5.25's, and a cassette port on back. He did say that "memory had been expanded". No monitor, keyboard, or mouse. He's asking $75.00. If someone has a serious interest, I'd be happy to go look at details on it. The owner is a friend and he'd certainly let me open it up if need be. I'd also be willing to pack/ship for the excruciating cost of. "A promise of a future beer" :) I am NOT interested in another, but, If you are there again soon, start with a quick look at the connectors in back. It should have an FDC board, with a DC37F It should have a video board, either: CGA: DE9F, RCA F or MDP: DE9F, DB25F (printer port) Any other external connectors are added board, maybe IBM, maybe aftermarket. That's almost all that you can tell without opening, unless it has certain other deviations from usual, such as a DB25 block-off and/or a round block-off on the back panel, or a white power switch, etc. If/when you open it, the first step would be a detailed inventory of any OTHER expansion boards, followed by a glance at the on-board memory - early machines had four rows of 16K RAM; later used 64K RAM. Original drives were Tandon TM100-1, followed soon thereafter (DOS 2.00) with TM100-2. Original power supply of 5150 was 63.5? watts. Some of the early power supplies were black. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com
Re: AM Varityper (phototypesetter)
On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 08:25:04PM -0700, Chuck Guzis wrote: > Basically, this thing, or a variation thereof: > > http://www.ricomputermuseum.org/Home/equipment/varityper This looks to be a later model than the one I used, which was definitely an 8008 (I looked). The keyboard is different. When we scrapped that misbegotten thing, I was awarded the keyboard. It's here ... somewhere. mcl
Re: A Final Word (FINAL)
How did his last missive make it through to the list in the first place? Didn't Jay just recently say he was perma-banned? On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 9:15 AM, geneb wrote: > On Fri, 31 Jul 2015, Matt Patoray wrote: > > Since the S/N ratio on the list is now at about 20 dB and falling, I am >> done with the list. >> > > 7 messages (including yours...gah! Now *8*) out of 1163 is not exactly > bad ratio. Maybe you forgot how to math today? :D > > g. > > -- > Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 > http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. > http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. > Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. > > ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment > A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. > http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_! >
accidental post allowance
drlegendre wrote: How did his last missive make it through to the list in the first place? Didn't Jay just recently say he was perma-banned? Within moments after I posted that he was banned, I went to the mailman interface, and his account was not in the membership list. I assumed he had unsubscribed himself shortly after his first post. When I saw his next (and last post), I dug further. His email was on a "whitelist" along with all members of cctech. This was a vestige of how the old "two lists joined at the hip" was configured. So I had to manually remove him from the whitelist, even though he wasn't subscribed. My Apologies for the oversight, but I believe it is fixed now. Be advised that there is always a chance he's still subscribed under some other unknown/non-descript email address. I'll weed them out as they are discovered. J
Re: accidental post allowance
> On Jul 31, 2015, at 4:18 PM, Jay West wrote: > > drlegendre wrote: > > How did his last missive make it through to the list in the first place? > Didn't Jay just recently say he was perma-banned? > > > Within moments after I posted that he was banned, I went to the mailman > interface, and his account was not in the membership list. I assumed he had > unsubscribed himself shortly after his first post. > > When I saw his next (and last post), I dug further. His email was on a > "whitelist" along with all members of cctech. This was a vestige of how the > old "two lists joined at the hip" was configured. So I had to manually remove > him from the whitelist, even though he wasn't subscribed. My Apologies for > the oversight, but I believe it is fixed now. > > Be advised that there is always a chance he's still subscribed under some > other unknown/non-descript email address. I'll weed them out as they are > discovered. > > J > > Thank you, both for this, and for all your other efforts. Zane
Re: accidental post allowance
No worries, Jay. I was just a bit confused, as I'm sure you can understand. As for recent comments on the list S/N ratio.. not to be rude, but some folks must not get out much. This list is certainly among the best-managed out there - it's a nerd list, and we all know how contentious nerds can be, and often are. Actual instances of genuinely ugly behavior are few and far between, and the spam is virtually nonexistent. Thanks to Jay. On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:18 PM, Jay West wrote: > drlegendre wrote: > > How did his last missive make it through to the list in the first place? > Didn't Jay just recently say he was perma-banned? > > > Within moments after I posted that he was banned, I went to the mailman > interface, and his account was not in the membership list. I assumed he had > unsubscribed himself shortly after his first post. > > When I saw his next (and last post), I dug further. His email was on a > "whitelist" along with all members of cctech. This was a vestige of how the > old "two lists joined at the hip" was configured. So I had to manually > remove him from the whitelist, even though he wasn't subscribed. My > Apologies for the oversight, but I believe it is fixed now. > > Be advised that there is always a chance he's still subscribed under some > other unknown/non-descript email address. I'll weed them out as they are > discovered. > > J > > >
Re: accidental post allowance
- Original Message - From: "Jay West" To: "'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'" Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 7:18 PM Subject: accidental post allowance drlegendre wrote: How did his last missive make it through to the list in the first place? Didn't Jay just recently say he was perma-banned? ...My Apologies for the oversight, but I believe it is fixed now. ... J - Reply - As a matter of fact I assumed that you'd intentionally let it through to give him the opportunity to show us first hand what kind of person he is. Very effective in any case. m
RE: Reforming capacitors (technical description, not politics)
Time to reform is to a first approximation proportional to the rated capacitance, rated voltage, and the length of time that the capacitor has been unpowered. However, there is still a lot of variation. I've had a few 40-year-old capacitors (unused for at least 30 years) that took less than two hours tp reform to 135% of rated voltage, but others of the same ratings that took more than 48 hours. I usually use a lab power supply with adustable current limiting. I adjust the voltage in increments of 1V, and set the current limit to a different computed limit for each voltage increment so that the maimum power (PS current limit setting * PS voltage setting) doesn't exceed a value believed to have no risk of damage to the capacitor. (This is basically the PDP-1 capacitor reformation procedure devised by Bob Lash, except the voltage increments were 0.5V.) At each voltage increment, the leakage current starts out higher than the PS current limit, so the actual applied voltage doesn't rise to the PS voltage setting immediately. As the oxide grows, the leakage current goes down, so the voltage rises. Once it hits the PS voltage setting, the voltage stays the same, but the leakage current continues to drop. I leave it there until the leakage current stops declining (no further reforming occurring), then go to the next voltage step. With the few capacitors that wouldn't reform, at some voltage setting the leakage current leveled off at a value higher than the maximum rated leakage current. In some cases the leakage current declined some but then started to rise. When thag happens I conclude that thr capacitor has a fault and cannot be reformed. I usually use an lab supply that can be controlled over HP-IB or serial, and use software to automate the process. The software sends a text message to my phone when the process has completed or failed, and logs a fair bit of information to a text file.
Re: Equipment available (Wichita, Ks)
I just heard DEC-branded drive box with 1 GB units and I figured it might be a ready source of RZ26 drives; I suppose there's nothing particularly special about them compared to any other 50-pin SCSI 1 GB drive but I like to keep a stock of DEC firmware drives in case I get a "finicky" system on my hands (although in practice I've found my DEC machines will run happily with just about any drive) ... largest I've got on hand is the RZ25 ... Shaun, thanks for responding although I think I'll pass in this particular case. If anyone else is interested, feel free to go ahead and grab it; hope I didn't hold anyone up. Best, Sean On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Shaun Halstead < microf...@microfilm.kscoxmail.com> wrote: > > > On 07/30/2015 03:18 PM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: > > I am holding a DEC RZ28 (aka ST32550N) 2 GB > > hard drive in my hands and it seems no different in > > weight than any other 3.5" hard drive. As a rough > > estimate, take any Seagate 3.5" hard drive as being > > close to the RZ26. Does this help? > > > I replied to Sean off list. The complete array weighs about 25 pounds, > with power supply and 6 > disks. I've had a couple of inquiries about it already. > > --Shaun > >
Re: Reforming capacitors (technical description, not politics)
@Eric & others Good news, everyone. ;-) I found the hardbound volume in question, and it does have a very interesting and detailed discussion of aluminum electrolytics, and the Mallory FP series in particular. But my memory is a little hazy, and I'm not sure this is the +exact+ article I had in mind when I raised the subject. It may be, but I remain somewhat unsure. But happily, I did a little searching and it turns out that the entire doc is available online via Cornell U and Google books. How cool! Here's the link: http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924004669861 Take a look at Section 9 for the primary capacitor articles. Meanwhile, I'll keep my eye out for any other docs, I have a hunch there's another one in the "library".. On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Robert Jarratt < robert.jarr...@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of David > > Gesswein > > Sent: 31 July 2015 02:52 > > To: cct...@classiccmp.org > > Subject: Re: Reforming capacitors (technical description, not politics) > > > > When I reformed the 1967? capacitors in MARCH's straight 8 I took some > data > > showing the improvement in leakage and also measured capacitance and ESR. > I > > couldn't find original spec for the capacitor but the values seemed > reasonable > > compared to datasheet for more recent capacitors. > > > > Graphs here. > > http://www.pdp8online.com/shows/vcfe15/slides/PDP-8_Restoration.html > > David, > > From the slides you posted it looks like you have some kind of automated > set > up. Can you explain what you have there? The limited reforming I have done > has been done manually. I also notice that you reform over quite a few > hours, but those are big caps. Not sure I have seen any suggestions over > how > long to reform for, and whether it is a function of the capacitor's nominal > capacitance. > > Thanks > > Rob > >
Re: Reforming capacitors (technical description, not politics)
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 5:07 PM, drlegendre . wrote: > I found the hardbound volume in question, and it does have a very [...] > But happily, I did a little searching and it turns out that the entire doc > is available online via Cornell U and Google books. How cool! > Here's the link: http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=coo.31924004669861 > Take a look at Section 9 for the primary capacitor articles. Meanwhile, That's great, thank you!!!
RE: Reforming capacitors (technical description, not politics)
> -Original Message- > From: cctech [mailto:cctech-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of David > Gesswein > Sent: 31 July 2015 02:52 > To: cct...@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: Reforming capacitors (technical description, not politics) > > When I reformed the 1967? capacitors in MARCH's straight 8 I took some data > showing the improvement in leakage and also measured capacitance and ESR. I > couldn't find original spec for the capacitor but the values seemed reasonable > compared to datasheet for more recent capacitors. > > Graphs here. > http://www.pdp8online.com/shows/vcfe15/slides/PDP-8_Restoration.html David, >From the slides you posted it looks like you have some kind of automated set up. Can you explain what you have there? The limited reforming I have done has been done manually. I also notice that you reform over quite a few hours, but those are big caps. Not sure I have seen any suggestions over how long to reform for, and whether it is a function of the capacitor's nominal capacitance. Thanks Rob
RE: accidental post allowance
Mark wrote As a matter of fact I assumed that you'd intentionally let it through to give him the opportunity to show us first hand what kind of person he is. Very effective in any case. (taking off my list-owner hat and speaking for myself) Nah - I believe that pretty much the most egregious thing one can do IMHO is take a private email and post it publicly. I'd pretty much never do that (except in very unique circumstances - if at all - and even then highly redacted), but apparently he had no such qualms as what he posted (with his vitriol at the end) was a private email I had sent him. Ah well, water under the bridge. Back to classic computing :) J
Re: accidental post allowance
Jay West wrote: When I saw his next (and last post), I dug further. His email was on a "whitelist" along with all members of cctech. This was a vestige of how the old "two lists joined at the hip" was configured. So I had to manually remove him from the whitelist, even though he wasn't subscribed. My Apologies for the oversight, but I believe it is fixed now. Be advised that there is always a chance he's still subscribed under some other unknown/non-descript email address. I'll weed them out as they are discovered. Well, that one let us know what sort of guy we're dealing with, here. Seems your deletion of this member was VERY deserved! Jon
RE: RM 380Z Special Control Unit (?)
> > As Jules and Tony have said, that's not 380Z internals so if that puts you > off I'll have a punt just for the power supply ;) ... Which also may well not be RML original. The 380Z has a regulated PSU, S100 has separate regulators on each board and an unregulated PSU. -tony
Re: Equipment available (Wichita, Ks)
I have BA350s, BA356s, drives, power supplies, etc if anyone needs more. Please contact me off list. Paul On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 3:54 PM, Sean Caron wrote: > I just heard DEC-branded drive box with 1 GB units and I figured it might > be a ready source of RZ26 drives; I suppose there's nothing particularly > special about them compared to any other 50-pin SCSI 1 GB drive but I like > to keep a stock of DEC firmware drives in case I get a "finicky" system on > my hands (although in practice I've found my DEC machines will run happily > with just about any drive) ... largest I've got on hand is the RZ25 ... > Shaun, thanks for responding although I think I'll pass in this particular > case. If anyone else is interested, feel free to go ahead and grab it; hope > I didn't hold anyone up. > > Best, > > Sean > > > On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Shaun Halstead < > microf...@microfilm.kscoxmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 07/30/2015 03:18 PM, Jerome H. Fine wrote: > > > I am holding a DEC RZ28 (aka ST32550N) 2 GB > > > hard drive in my hands and it seems no different in > > > weight than any other 3.5" hard drive. As a rough > > > estimate, take any Seagate 3.5" hard drive as being > > > close to the RZ26. Does this help? > > > > > > I replied to Sean off list. The complete array weighs about 25 pounds, > > with power supply and 6 > > disks. I've had a couple of inquiries about it already. > > > > --Shaun > > > > >
