9T TU80-family in Wichita, Ks
I've done some more research on the LMSI tape drive I have here, and it appears to be a TU80 family drive. It has touch pad controls, 2-digit LED display, vertical mount, pertec interface (I don't know if it's buffered or not), runs well and passes diagnostics. Layout and diagnostic controls match up to information from the TU80 manual on bitsavers. The drive has a dual-voltage power supply, presently set up for 110V operation, and is mounted in a cage which could be easily bolted to a pallet for shipping. I can throw in an ISA interface card, though I don't know what brand/models I have on hand, or whether I have software and drivers for them. If anyone is interested, photos are here: http://microfilmks.com/LMSI/ and I can get an operational video if necessary. It's available now, in Wichita, Ks. Asking $150, but I'm flexible. You pay freight. --Shaun Halstead Microfilm Services, Inc. Wichita, Ks 316.269.2203
Re: Madeirs (was 80 column (un)punched cards)
On Wed, 10 Jun 2015, Dennis Boone wrote: > The Limeliters covered it in the US in 1961, so apparently not. :) Yes, but that was about five years after the Flanders and Swans LP and who knows how long after they first performed it live. I have never heard the Limelighters version, up here in the Northern outpost of the British Empire we got to listen to Flanders and Swann. The American sensitivity may have been dulled by 1961 but I suspect that now it is now as sharp as it ever was when Victoria sat on the throne so a cover of this song today would meet a storm of outrage. I heard the shocking tale this morning of an enderly British scientist who will be going to his grave in disgrace after saying that the problem with women in the lab is that "you fall in love with them, they fall in love with you, and they cry when you criticize them". -- Richard Loken VE6BSV, Unix System Administrator : "Anybody can be a father Athabasca University: but you have to earn Athabasca, Alberta Canada : the title of 'daddy'" ** richar...@admin.athabascau.ca ** : - Lynn Johnston
Collectors pay big money for old tech
May be of interest to some list members - appeared in the Sydney Morning Herald Digital Life section yesterday. Unfortunately I'm not one of the big spenders. I know the story about the $200,000 Apple has got a fair airing but some of the other numbers being quoted here frighten me. http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/digital-life-news/discarded-apple-i-worth -us20-collectors-pay-big-money-for-old-tech-20150610-ghfmlu.html ++ Kevin Parker ++
RE: 9T TU80-family in Wichita, Ks
Hi Shaun, Just checking in to see if you had any luck finding the disks yet? Also where you able to ship the manual with the drive or do you need to ship it separately? Thanks. -Ali
Re: Need DZQ11 (M3106) Print Set
On 6/10/15 10:45 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: Bingo! DZV11 FIELD MAINT PRINT SET MP00462 USERS GUIDE DZV11-UG-002 TECH MANUAL DZV11-TM-001 CVDZCB0 ECHO TEST DIAG DVDZD-A-0 INTERPROCESSOR TEST DIAG CVDZAD0 DIAG PART 1 might be more in there- too much fine print to read. Paul, if you want to send these out here, I can take care of getting them scanned.
Re: Madeira (was 80 column (un)punched cards)
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 10:31:46PM -0400, Dennis Boone wrote: > For those who haven't seen this silliness, here's Lou Gottlieb > performing it. I didn't get a good enough look at the other musicians > to identify them. > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrbAyHVVYgI When I heard them perform this live about 10 years ago, they prefaced it by saying something like "the time for the humor in this song came and went many years ago, but since it is what passes for our 'hit', you know we must perform it" :-) mcl
Re: Front Panel Tech Note 2
The color is quite different between the two. I can take comparative photos, but I suppose it will be quite meaningless as a guide. /P On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 06:47:25AM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote: > Asof now I know of two variations > > 1,Selector switch positions 1 and 6 lines can be vertical > or at an angle to the vertical > > 2,Vertical divider between groups of three lamps > > Anybody seen an 8/e panel with anything else? > > Rod > > > > >
Re: Need DZQ11 (M3106) Print Set
> From: Paul Anderson > DZV11 FIELD MAINT PRINT SET MP00462 >USERS GUIDE DZV11-UG-002 >TECH MANUAL DZV11-TM-001 Err, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it's a _DZQ11_ FMPS I needed (MP01795), not a _DZV11_ - the two are programming and interface identical, but other than that, totally different boards (the DZV11 is a quad, the DZQ11 is a dual). Sorry! However, the DZV11 TM is not yet available online, so it's definitely a Big Win, finding that; so your effort was not in vain! Noel
Re: Front Panel Tech Note 2
Hi Pontus Please define which two the colours differ between. Is the current version with the vertical switch position correct? If that is the case then the other one with angled switch position lines and dividers between groups of lamps must differ. The two colours are referred to as Amber and Terra Cotta. If they differ then they must have different names. As I am a bit colour blind the matching is done by our two screen printing ladies who are art graduates and qualified colourists. (in general females have better colour vision) If you have an example of a Type B ( angled switch position lines and dividers) that shows the difference in colour I'd really like a copy before we ship any type B Rod On 11/06/2015 08:01, Pontus Pihlgren wrote: The color is quite different between the two. I can take comparative photos, but I suppose it will be quite meaningless as a guide. /P On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 06:47:25AM +0100, Rod Smallwood wrote: Asof now I know of two variations 1,Selector switch positions 1 and 6 lines can be vertical or at an angle to the vertical 2,Vertical divider between groups of three lamps Anybody seen an 8/e panel with anything else? Rod
Re: Need DZQ11 (M3106) Print Set
I never know if I should do things before or after I take my pain pills...Oh well, I try to look for the other one tonight... On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Paul Anderson > > > DZV11 FIELD MAINT PRINT SET MP00462 > >USERS GUIDE DZV11-UG-002 > >TECH MANUAL DZV11-TM-001 > > Err, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it's a _DZQ11_ FMPS I needed > (MP01795), not a _DZV11_ - the two are programming and interface identical, > but other than that, totally different boards (the DZV11 is a quad, the > DZQ11 > is a dual). Sorry! > > However, the DZV11 TM is not yet available online, so it's definitely a Big > Win, finding that; so your effort was not in vain! > > Noel >
Re: Looking for the Tek 465 of Logic Analysers
On Wed, Jun 10, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Ken Seefried wrote: > Thanks for the input everyone. In summary, I got recommendations for: > > - HP 16500C (lesser a 16500B, but not a 16500A) (mainframe) > - HP 16700/16900/17500 (mainframe, bigger-faster-stronger, still pretty > expensive, can use 16500 cards) > - HP 166x or 167x (portable, modern, look for hard drive) Some information and personal opinions I'll add: If you go for a 16500B, you should find one with the optional Ethernet interface installed. Remote control and data transfer over TCP/IP in general may be much easier to set up than using GPIB, unless you already have gear setup for that. With the optional Ethernet interface the only practical difference between the 16500B and the 16500C is that you can use common and cheap PS/2 keyboards and mice with the 16500C while you need to find more rare and expensive HP-HIL keyboards and mice for the 16500B. Both are perfectly usable with neither a keyboard nor mouse. The downside of a 16500 series is that the value of the bare mainframe itself is often less than the cost to ship one. (Hey Ian if you ever want to move up to a 16500B I have some local to you...) For the 16700 series if you want a self contained unit with built-in display you need a 16702A or 16702B. The built-in LCD display is only 800x600. You can use an external monitor up to 1280x1024, or 1600x1200 with Option 003 installed. If you don't need a portable self contained unit and have the room to set up an external monitor a 16700A or 16700B should be cheaper than a 16702A or 16702B, plus you never have to worry about a display failing. One of the main differences between the 16700A/16702A and the 16700B/16702B is that the B version has a built-in SCSI CD-ROM, which comes in handy if you need to reload the system software. Otherwise you need to find a standard external SCSI CD-ROM drive. The 16520/16521 pattern gen modules and the 16530/16531/16532 scope modules are not supported by the 16700 series. You need 16522 or 16720 pattern gen modules and 16533/16534 scope modules. The 16700 series run on top of HP-UX 10.20. Once you factor in the shipping costs a 16700 series system might not be significantly more expensive that a 16500 series system. One limitation of the 1660A and 1660E series is the 4K sample depth. Depending on your application that may be a major limitation. The max sample depth varies on the 1670 series. I believe 64K and optionally 512K on the 1670A series, 64K and optionally 1M on the 1670D series, 1M on the 1670E series, and 64K and optionally 256K or 2M on the 1670G series. The E and G series have color LCD displays. The older series have monochrome CRT displays. The 16900 series are much more recent and currently a lot more expensive. An empty 16700A might be under $100 before shipping while an empty 16900A may be at least $500 before shipping. No 16500 series modules are supported by the 16900 series. The minimum supported 16700 series modules are the 16740A and higher, and the 16720A pattern gen which still sells for a premium. The 16900 series are based on Windows XP, or maybe Windows 7 on never mainframes. The good thing with all of these HP / Agilent analyzers is that all of the state/timing modules from the 16510 up through the 16752 and the 1650/1660/1670 series use the same 40-pin POD breakout lead sets. Starting with the 16753 modules they switched to the 90-pin POD connectors and the breakout lead sets for those are crazy expensive.
Re: Need DZQ11 (M3106) Print Set
OK, I have 10+ of the M3106 and M3107 boards, but if the print sets are filed under M3106 and M3107 instead of the option name they might take while to get to. I usually work with board numbers rather than option names, but some options have several boards. I'm slowly getting everything, prints, manuals,boards,etc. in order but it will take time. Always trying to thin it out. Noel, you are more than welcome to use any documentation. Talk to Al figure out who needs it first then ship it to the other and back to me. How backlogged are you on scanning Al? I'll compare my PDP14 to what you list later this year and loan you the bunch to scan. I think we talked about that a few years ago. There are a few members that I'm still looking for docs. Paul On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 4:49 PM, Paul Anderson wrote: > I never know if I should do things before or after I take my pain > pills...Oh well, I try to look for the other one tonight... > > On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Noel Chiappa > wrote: > >> > From: Paul Anderson >> >> > DZV11 FIELD MAINT PRINT SET MP00462 >> >USERS GUIDE DZV11-UG-002 >> >TECH MANUAL DZV11-TM-001 >> >> Err, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but it's a _DZQ11_ FMPS I needed >> (MP01795), not a _DZV11_ - the two are programming and interface >> identical, >> but other than that, totally different boards (the DZV11 is a quad, the >> DZQ11 >> is a dual). Sorry! >> >> However, the DZV11 TM is not yet available online, so it's definitely a >> Big >> Win, finding that; so your effort was not in vain! >> >> Noel >> > >
First VAX-11/730 VMS Boot! (was: Re: VAX-11/730 %BOOT-F-Unexpected Machine Check)
Using a version 58 console tape image provided to me by one list member, and massaged into a usable state by another list member, I just booted OpenVMS 7.3 off the R80 drive on my VAX-11/730 for the first time since buying the machine. Woohoo! For some reason, I was unable to do that with the version 57 images that I downloaded off the net. Maybe there's something wrong with the VMB.EXE on those images? It always complained of not being able to find the boot file when I tried using it. I never got a login prompt, but perhaps that's because I booted with the write protect switch on? It appeared to be trying to create or join a VAXcluster for a while, then said something about loading MSCP disk server. I have plenty more experimentation ahead, including seeing what's on that RL02 pack labeled something like "VMS53SYS" (if I recall correctly). My attempts to boot up the v5.3 standalone backup tape images I downloaded still haven't succeeded. As suggested, I'll see if standalone backup might be on another partition next time I work on the machine. I'd like to try backing up both the R80 and the RL02 to tape if I can. Eventually, I'd like to run an older version of VMS than 7.3 on it. Preferably, something contemporary to when the 11/730 was still sold, or at least from before any sane 730 users upgraded to newer and faster VAXen. Of course, that assumes I can procure suitable installation media, or usable images with which to create it. -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/
Re: First VAX-11/730 VMS Boot! (was: Re: VAX-11/730 %BOOT-F-Unexpected Machine Check)
Congrats! On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 1:06 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote: > Using a version 58 console tape image provided to me by one list member, > and massaged into a usable state by another list member, I just booted > OpenVMS 7.3 off the R80 drive on my VAX-11/730 for the first time since > buying the machine. Woohoo! > > For some reason, I was unable to do that with the version 57 images that I > downloaded off the net. Maybe there's something wrong with the VMB.EXE on > those images? It always complained of not being able to find the boot file > when I tried using it. > > I never got a login prompt, but perhaps that's because I booted with the > write protect switch on? It appeared to be trying to create or join a > VAXcluster for a while, then said something about loading MSCP disk server. > I have plenty more experimentation ahead, including seeing what's on that > RL02 pack labeled something like "VMS53SYS" (if I recall correctly). > > My attempts to boot up the v5.3 standalone backup tape images I downloaded > still haven't succeeded. As suggested, I'll see if standalone backup might > be on another partition next time I work on the machine. I'd like to try > backing up both the R80 and the RL02 to tape if I can. > > Eventually, I'd like to run an older version of VMS than 7.3 on it. > Preferably, something contemporary to when the 11/730 was still sold, or at > least from before any sane 730 users upgraded to newer and faster VAXen. Of > course, that assumes I can procure suitable installation media, or usable > images with which to create it. > > -- > Mark J. Blair, NF6X > http://www.nf6x.net/ > >
Re: First VAX-11/730 VMS Boot! (was: Re: VAX-11/730 %BOOT-F-Unexpected Machine Check)
On Fri, Jun 12, 2015 at 2:06 AM, Mark J. Blair wrote: > Using a version 58 console tape image provided to me by one list member, and > massaged into a usable state by another list member, I just booted OpenVMS > 7.3 off the R80 drive on my VAX-11/730 for the first time since buying the > machine. Woohoo! Wow... I'm rather surprised it can run something that new, and on a drive so small. I remember having problems fitting 6.0 on an RD53 (or was it an RD54?) It fit, but wasn't straightforward to install. It took a couple of tricks. > Eventually, I'd like to run an older version of VMS than 7.3 on it. > Preferably, something contemporary to when the 11/730 was still sold, or at > least from before any sane 730 users upgraded to newer and faster VAXen. Of > course, that assumes I can procure suitable installation media, or usable > images with which to create it. Back in the day, we ran VMS 5.0 on our 11/730, because we needed a machine to link our product against 5.0 to support our customers on the same version. I also ran Ultrix 1.1 at an earlier time on the same hardware. ISTR both Ultrix 1.1 and VMS 5.0 fit just fine on the R80. The other thing I did, for my own sanity, was I reordered the files on the console TU58 into the precise order they were requested. Boot time was on the order of 5 minutes, down from 25 minutes. Best I could tell, the console 8085 cached the directory block(s), so the tape practically streamed as it read file after file. Without all that seeking, it was down to the serial speed the tape and console were set to (38.4kbps?) -ethan
Re: First VAX-11/730 VMS Boot! (was: Re: VAX-11/730 %BOOT-F-Unexpected Machine Check)
On Jun 11, 2015, at 23:25 , Paul Anderson wrote: > Congrats! Thanks! I was pretty surprised when the boot messages started coming out on the DECwriter III! On Jun 11, 2015, at 23:28 , Ethan Dicks wrote: > Back in the day, we ran VMS 5.0 on our 11/730, because we needed a > machine to link our product against 5.0 to support our customers on > the same version. I also ran Ultrix 1.1 at an earlier time on the > same hardware. ISTR both Ultrix 1.1 and VMS 5.0 fit just fine on the > R80. Thanks for the data point. I'm hoping that I'll find good stuff on that RL02 pack that's claiming to contain "VMS53SYS". > The other thing I did, for my own sanity, was I reordered the files on > the console TU58 into the precise order they were requested. Boot > time was on the order of 5 minutes, down from 25 minutes. Best I > could tell, the console 8085 cached the directory block(s), so the > tape practically streamed as it read file after file. Without all > that seeking, it was down to the serial speed the tape and console > were set to (38.4kbps?) 38.4kbps is correct. The fellow from whom I bought the VAX mentioned that the included tapes were "load optimized", but I haven't successfully read one without errors so far. Not that it matters with tu58em, but the images I'm using also appear to have been load-optimized, based on the order of files on their RT11 filesystems. Wow, 25 minutes of tape thrashing must have been unbearable! -- Mark J. Blair, NF6X http://www.nf6x.net/
SVR4 tape "mount xx"?
I'm fooling with some AT&T tapes for System V, Rel. 4.0 and I see, along with the various "proprietary" and "copyright" stuff on the tape (paper) label and the description of the contents, the notation "mount xx"; e.g. "mount D5" or "mount E2". Exactly what does this mean? --Chuck
