PDP-11/44 M7098 ECO #7?

[Mattis Lind]

I have been given a PDP-11/44 and I was running through all sorts of
diagnostics to check out the machine. It seems to work fine except for the
trap test KKABD1 which fails at 23252.  It passes an earlier version of the
same trap test.
The listing (thank you Jörg) is at: ftp://u58104846-pub:open4you@
ftp.j-hoppe.de/fichescanner/bw/gh/AH-F623D-MC__KD11-Z__11-44_TRAPS__CKKABD0__(C)79-82.pdf

It tells me that my M7098 board is missing ECO #7. Anyone knows of a list
of ECOs for the PDP-11/44. I think I have searched everywhere I can think
of but haven't found it.

Re: X11 expertise on ancient HW sought... (4-plane visual (overlay) via X-server on MS-WIndows)

[David Brownlee]

On 4 June 2015 at 19:24, IMAP List Administration  wrote:
> [also posted to comp.graphics.x today]
>
> Hello Folks,
>
> I'm trying to get an application that currently uses a local display on an
> ancient DEC Alpha workstation with a (for the time) mid-to-high-end graphics
> controller (ZLX-E2) to instead use an X-server running under MS-Windows.
>
> The application is complaining that it cannot find a "4/5-bit visual". It 
> almost
> certainly wants to use this visual for an overlay, as the application displays
> moving objects superimposed on a map.
>
> On the original hardware, xdpyinfo tells me:
>> [...]
>> supported pixmap formats:
>> [...]
>> depth 4, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32
>> [...]
>> screen #0:
>>[...]
>>   depths (4):8, 12, 24, 4
>>   [...]
>>   number of visuals:21
>>   [lots of other visuals here, but no 4-plane except for the following]
>>   visual:
>> visual id:0x36
>> class:PseudoColor
>> depth:4 planes
>> available colormap entries:16
>> red, green, blue masks:0x0, 0x0, 0x0
>> significant bits in color specification:4 bits
>
> and "xprop -root" tells me:
>> [...]
>> SERVER_OVERLAY_VISUALS(SERVER_OVERLAY_VISUALS) = 0x36, 0x1, 0x0, 0x1
>
> As you can see, there seems to be exactly one overlay, whose visual id (0x36)
> corresponds to the single 4-plane visual listed by xdpyinfo.
>
> When I use the above commands to retrieve the capabilities of the MS-Windows
> X-server (Exceed, in this case), xdpyinfo does not list a 4-plane visual at 
> all.
> "xprop" lists lots of overlays, 24 in total, all of them 8-plane visuals.
>
> The MS-Windows box is running Windows-7 (64bit) and has a Nvidia Quadro 400 
> GPU.
> I used the "Nvidia Control Panel" to set "Enable overlay" to "on" in the 
> "Manage
> 3D settings" section. Also, in the Exceed X-server configuration I enabled
> "OpenGL", and within that enabled "Overlay Support" and "GLX 1.3 Support".
>
> I conclude that the MS-Windows SW/HW system (X-server, MS-Win GPU driver, GPU)
> cannot offer 4-plane visuals. However, I don't know what system component(s)
> is/are the cause the problem.
>
> I have tested VcXsrv, Reflection-X, Exceed (with 3D option), X-Win32 and even
> the ancient DEC Pathworks X-server eXcursion with no success. I'm working on
> getting an evaluation copy of PTC's MKSTools X/Server. Of the X-servers I've
> tested, Exceed seems to offer the most configuration parameters.
>
> I'm not even sure the Quadro 400 can handle 4bpp "visuals", or whatever
> MS-Windows calls them. In fact, I wonder if any modern hardware offers 4bpp
> capability. On my Linux box with a GeForce GT 430 I don't have any 4-plane
> visuals, and xprop doesn't mention any overlays either.
>
> I'm somewhat confused about where overlays fit into the X scheme. I have seen
> lots of references to overlays in an OpenGL context, however the Alpha seems 
> not
> to have any OpenGL capability: GLX is not in the list of extentions printed by
> xdpyinfo. Can someone clear this up for me?
>
> Am I correct to assume that the GPU must support 4bpp in order for it even to 
> be
> possible for the X-server to propagate a 4-plane visual to a client? If yes, 
> how
> can I determine if a GPU supports 4bpp? Nvidia is very sparing with the
> information in their specs for the Quadro 400 GPU.
>
> Assuming I can find a GPU that supports/offers 4bpp, does anyone know an
> X-server product/project that can provide 4-plane overlays?

Have you tried MobaXterm?

On my Thinkpad T420s (Intel gfx) booting into Windows 7, then running
my NetBSD install in Virtual box and firing up an xterm using Moba as
the X server reports:

depths (7):   24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32

The Personal version of MobaXterm is free :)

RE: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

[Robert Armstrong]

>Ethan Dicks [ethan.di...@gmail.com] wrote:
>did not come with a removable cartridge so I've not been able to spin it up

  Yes, one of the annoyances of the RC25 is that you can't spin it up w/o the 
removable platter in place.  I have only one cartridge myself, and it's 
probably bad.  Somebody needs to come up with a hack to spin up the Winchester 
part alone (hint, hint :-)

>One I've seen is to nibble a chunk out of the rim of the cover skin (to 
>prevent pinching) and run a BC-11-A
> Unibus ribbon cable out to a BA-11 and stick any number of controllers in that

  Doesn't the 725 have one of the regular bulkhead connector panels on the 
back?  The one with the modular screw in plates?  If so, ISTR that there's a 
cable clamp one that will clear a BC11 cable.  

  In any case, I have no need for such foolishness :-)  I have a perfectly good 
730 too, with a BA11-K expander in the next rack.  It works great, and that 
configuration (with the 730 instead of the 725) was even supported although 
uncommon.  I should go out in the garage and check how the UNIBUS cable is 
routed for you.

  Besides, the cool thing (for me, at least) about the 725 was the packaging.  
Any replacement drive would have to fit inside the original box to suit my 
taste.  

  The best option I've come up with is an SMD UNIBUS controller (I have just 
exactly one!) and a small SMD drive.  There were some small SMD drives that I 
think would fit inside the 725 case.  The front panel wouldn't be right, but 
it's better than nothing.  As you said, SCSI would be better, but I don't have 
a UNIBUS controller.

  What I'd really like is to build a "LESI disk emulator" that could just plug 
into the AZTEC controller, but as far as I've ever been able to determine, DEC 
never documented LESI.  Or at least none of the documentation ever escaped.

  BTW, my 725 is missing the outer sheet metal skin.  The previous owner 
apparently didn't think it was important and discarded it.  If anybody happens 
to have an extra VAX-11/725 skin, I'd love to know.

Bob

Unibus SCSI - was Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

[Toby Thain]

On 2015-06-04 8:49 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:

...  Unibus SCSI, OTOH, is
not common, but a joy if you can find one.


This one ends in 8 hours.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/AVIV-Emulex-UC07-SCSI-Quad-Wide-Q-Bus-Digital-Equipment-LSI-11-MicroVAX-PDP-11-/261903555279

--Toby




-ethan

Re: Unibus SCSI - was Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

[Ian S. King]

The UC07 manual on Bitsavers shows this as a Qbus adapter - although I'd
sure think it was Unibus from the name.  The seller calls it out as Qbus
and the documents back him/her up.

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Toby Thain  wrote:

> On 2015-06-04 8:49 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>
>> ...  Unibus SCSI, OTOH, is
>> not common, but a joy if you can find one.
>>
>
> This one ends in 8 hours.
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AVIV-Emulex-UC07-SCSI-Quad-Wide-Q-Bus-Digital-Equipment-LSI-11-MicroVAX-PDP-11-/261903555279
>
> --Toby
>
>
>
>> -ethan
>>
>>
>


-- 
Ian S. King, MSIS, MSCS, Ph.D. Candidate
The Information School 

Archivist, Voices From the Rwanda Tribunal 
Value Sensitive Design Research Lab 

University of Washington

There is an old Vulcan saying: "Only Nixon could go to China."

Re: Unibus SCSI - was Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

[Ethan Dicks]

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ian S. King  wrote:
> The UC07 manual on Bitsavers shows this as a Qbus adapter - although I'd
> sure think it was Unibus from the name.  The seller calls it out as Qbus
> and the documents back him/her up.

Yeah.  I have one.  It's Qbus.  Nothing wrong with it - that's about
the going price from what I've seen, but it's not Unibus.

-ethan

> On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Toby Thain  wrote:
>> On 2015-06-04 8:49 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:
>>
>>> ...  Unibus SCSI, OTOH, is
>>> not common, but a joy if you can find one.
>>
>> This one ends in 8 hours.
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/AVIV-Emulex-UC07-SCSI-Quad-Wide-Q-Bus-Digital-Equipment-LSI-11-MicroVAX-PDP-11-/261903555279

-ethan

Re: Distribution panels (cab kits) for DZV11/DZQ11

[Noel Chiappa]

> From: Glen Slick

> There is this distribution panel on eBay at the moment, but I think
> this might be the H3173-A version for the M3104 DHV11 / M3107 DHQ11

Yes, it is - I got several of those from him, but he only had one of the
DZV11/DZQ11 ones (which are, simply by looking at them, indistinquishable
from the DHV11/DHQ11 ones - one has to look at the part numbers to
distinguish them, they are so similar - well, to be hyper-precise, there are
two variants of the DHV11/DHQ11 one, one with the Berg on the side, and one
with the one of the top, and it's the latter which is visually almost
identical).

> The 70-19964-00 distribution panels I have for the M7957 DZV11 / M3106
> DZQ11 have arrows screened on to the front of the panels between the
> DB25 connectors. (I'm not sure what the arrow is supposed to indicate).

Which way around to install them, or which port is #0, would be my guess.

I've seen a similar arrow on the dist panel for the DLV11-J (which also comes
in two distinct variants).

Noel

Re: DEC Runoff to any modern format conversion or DEC MSCP protocol specs

[Richard Loken]

On Thu, 4 Jun 2015, Paul Koning wrote:

> No escape codes.  Just text, and return without line feed to overprint one
> line on another, to do underlining.  If you don???t use underlines, the
> text is just plain text, suitable for viewing with ???cat??? or
> ???more???.

But not:

$ TYPE /PAGE

Perhaps?  :)

-- 
   Richard Loken VE6BSV, Unix System Administrator : "Anybody can be a father
   Athabasca University:  but you have to earn
   Athabasca, Alberta Canada   :  the title of 'daddy'"
   ** richar...@admin.athabascau.ca ** :  - Lynn Johnston

Re: X11 expertise on ancient HW sought... (4-plane visual (overlay) via X-server on MS-WIndows)

[IMAP List Administration]

On 06/05/2015 12:19 AM, David Brownlee wrote:
> Have you tried MobaXterm?
>
> On my Thinkpad T420s (Intel gfx) booting into Windows 7, then running
> my NetBSD install in Virtual box and firing up an xterm using Moba as
> the X server reports:
>
> depths (7):   24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32
>
> The Personal version of MobaXterm is free :)
I have learned from trying the various MS-Win X-servers that that list of depths
is not particularly meaningful.

What does "xprop -root" say about overlays? Do you see a 4-plane visual, and
also a 4-plane overlay whose ID matches the 4-plane visual?

Rob

Re: pdp8/e /f /m Omnibus legenda available

[Mark J. Blair]

> On Jun 5, 2015, at 14:31 , Simon Claessen  wrote:
> 
> link: https://hack42.nl/wiki/Bestand:Omnibus_legenda.pdf

Nice work!


-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X 
http://www.nf6x.net/

pdp8/e /f /m Omnibus legenda available

[Simon Claessen]

Hello all,

As part of my effort to resurrect our lately broken pdp8/f, I've made a nice drawing of the connector lugs of an omnibus card with its signals next to it. Both sides are done 
together on one page.


any comments are welcome

link: https://hack42.nl/wiki/Bestand:Omnibus_legenda.pdf
--
Met vriendelijke Groet,

Simon Claessen
drukknop.nl

Re: X11 expertise on ancient HW sought... (4-plane visual (overlay) via X-server on MS-WIndows)

[David Brownlee]

On 5 June 2015 at 16:15, IMAP List Administration  wrote:
>
> On 06/05/2015 12:19 AM, David Brownlee wrote:
>> Have you tried MobaXterm?
>>
>> On my Thinkpad T420s (Intel gfx) booting into Windows 7, then running
>> my NetBSD install in Virtual box and firing up an xterm using Moba as
>> the X server reports:
>>
>> depths (7):   24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32
>>
>> The Personal version of MobaXterm is free :)
> I have learned from trying the various MS-Win X-servers that that list of 
> depths
> is not particularly meaningful.
>
> What does "xprop -root" say about overlays? Do you see a 4-plane visual, and
> also a 4-plane overlay whose ID matches the 4-plane visual?

Not very much:

_NET_DESKTOP_NAMES(UTF8_STRING) = "Desktop"
_NET_NUMBER_OF_DESKTOPS(CARDINAL) = 1
_NET_CURRENT_DESKTOP(CARDINAL) = 0
WM_ICON_SIZE(WM_ICON_SIZE):
minimum icon size: 16 by 16
maximum icon size: 48 by 48
incremental size change: 16 by 16
_XKB_RULES_NAMES(STRING) = "base", "pc105", "gb", "", ""

Full xdpyinfo below in case it helps...

name of display:localhost:10.0
version number:11.0
vendor string:Moba/X
vendor release number:11603000
maximum request size:  16777212 bytes
motion buffer size:  256
bitmap unit, bit order, padding:32, LSBFirst, 32
image byte order:LSBFirst
number of supported pixmap formats:7
supported pixmap formats:
depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32
depth 4, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32
depth 8, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32
depth 15, bits_per_pixel 16, scanline_pad 32
depth 16, bits_per_pixel 16, scanline_pad 32
depth 24, bits_per_pixel 32, scanline_pad 32
depth 32, bits_per_pixel 32, scanline_pad 32
keycode range:minimum 8, maximum 255
focus:  window 0x800075, revert to Parent
number of extensions:22
BIG-REQUESTS
Composite
DAMAGE
DOUBLE-BUFFER
GLX
Generic Event Extension
Present
RANDR
RECORD
RENDER
SGI-GLX
SHAPE
SYNC
Windows-DRI
X-Resource
XC-MISC
XFIXES
XFree86-Bigfont
XINERAMA
XInputExtension
XKEYBOARD
XTEST
default screen number:0
number of screens:1

screen #0:
  dimensions:1600x900 pixels (423x238 millimeters)
  resolution:96x96 dots per inch
  depths (7):24, 1, 4, 8, 15, 16, 32
  root window id:0x101
  depth of root window:24 planes
  number of colormaps:minimum 1, maximum 1
  default colormap:0x20
  default number of colormap cells:256
  preallocated pixels:black 0, white 16777215
  options:backing-store WHEN MAPPED, save-unders NO
  largest cursor:32x32
  current input event mask:0x4a0004
ButtonPressMask  StructureNotifyMask  SubstructureNotifyMask
PropertyChangeMask
  number of visuals:64
  default visual id:  0x21
  visual:
visual id:0x21
class:TrueColor
depth:24 planes
available colormap entries:256 per subfield
red, green, blue masks:0xff, 0xff00, 0xff
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0xc2
class:TrueColor
depth:24 planes
available colormap entries:256 per subfield
red, green, blue masks:0xff, 0xff00, 0xff
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0xc3
class:TrueColor
depth:24 planes
available colormap entries:256 per subfield
red, green, blue masks:0xff, 0xff00, 0xff
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0xc4
class:TrueColor
depth:24 planes
available colormap entries:256 per subfield
red, green, blue masks:0xff, 0xff00, 0xff
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0xc5
class:TrueColor
depth:24 planes
available colormap entries:256 per subfield
red, green, blue masks:0xff, 0xff00, 0xff
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0xc6
class:TrueColor
depth:24 planes
available colormap entries:256 per subfield
red, green, blue masks:0xff, 0xff00, 0xff
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0xc7
class:TrueColor
depth:24 planes
available colormap entries:256 per subfield
red, green, blue masks:0xff, 0xff00, 0xff
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0xc8
class:TrueColor
depth:24 planes
available colormap entries:256 per subfield
red, green, blue masks:0xff, 0xff00, 0xff
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
visual id:0xc9
class:TrueColor
depth:24 planes
available colormap entries:256 per subfield
red, green, blue masks:0xff, 0xff00, 0xff
significant bits in color specification:8 bits
  visual:
   

Actually QBus SCSI - was Re: Unibus SCSI - was Re: Rescue update: DEC RC-25s + / was Re: DEC cartridge ID

[Toby Thain]

On 2015-06-05 2:05 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 1:52 PM, Ian S. King  wrote:

The UC07 manual on Bitsavers shows this as a Qbus adapter - although I'd
sure think it was Unibus from the name.  The seller calls it out as Qbus
and the documents back him/her up.


Yeah.  I have one.  It's Qbus.  Nothing wrong with it - that's about
the going price from what I've seen, but it's not Unibus.



Oops, it's been a long day... I even own one, I should have known better :)

--Toby



-ethan


On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Toby Thain  wrote:

On 2015-06-04 8:49 PM, Ethan Dicks wrote:


...  Unibus SCSI, OTOH, is
not common, but a joy if you can find one.


This one ends in 8 hours.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/AVIV-Emulex-UC07-SCSI-Quad-Wide-Q-Bus-Digital-Equipment-LSI-11-MicroVAX-PDP-11-/261903555279


-ethan

RE: DEC Runoff to any modern format conversion - MORE INFO

[Tom Gardner]

Hi

Thanks for all the ideas.

 

Apparently there is nothing off the shelf; I have sent copies of one of the
two manuals to three of us who indicated they would try something and will
be happy to do the same for anyone else.

 

AFAIK, DEC RUNOFF is only similar to other runoffs in that it uses a period
"." at the beginning of a line to designate a command.Most . commands
span the single line but some have multi-line and/or multi file
implications. E.g.

 

Something like

.HL 1 Overview of MSCP Subsystem

Converts to

 Overview of MSCP Subsystem

Most of the conversions are obvious but some are a bit more complex, in
particular the 

.require command which apparently assembles the chapter files into a book.

.referencepoint command which is some form of anchor, perhaps for an index
since so far it always seems to follow a HL command so maybe

.HL 1 Overview of MSCP Subsystem

.referencepoint overvw_mscp_sub

Converts to


Overview of MSCP Subsystem

With the ID being called from a Table Of Contents built to include the full
name and page number

 

It looks like a multipass converter would be the way to go.  Anyhow this is
a bit beyond my current coding skill but if anyone else wants to try a
converter I'd like to work with them

 

Tom

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Tom Gardner [mailto:t.gard...@computer.org] 
Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2015 10:47 AM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: DEC Runoff to any modern format conversion or DEC MSCP protocol
specs

 

Hi

 

 

I have multiple DEC Runoff (.rno extension) files for the manual on DEC's
MSCP protocol.  I'd like to convert them to a modern format.  The manual is
dated circa 1992 incorporating ecos thru MSCP23-4 and is revision 2.4 (or

later) of MSCP.  What appears to be an early version (Apr 1982 rev 1.2) is
at

http://www.textfiles.com/bitsavers/pdf/dec/disc/UDA50/AA-L619A-TK_MSCP_basFn

s_82.pdf 

 

 

I've searched for a convertor without much luck,  there is a VMS Pascal
converter at  
https://www.ctan.org/tex-archive/support/rnototex which converts to LaTex
which can then be converted to pdf, but I don't have any DEC equipment.

 

 

Anyone know of a converter or perhaps other already converted manuals at

other revision levels (e.g. rev 1.2   at link above)?

 

 

If not, anyone running VMS Pascal  or OpenVMS v6.1 (or later) willing to try
a conversion to LaTex?

 

 

DECs Runoff is a markup language that sort of looks like an early HTML, so I
suppose I could try a grep conversion to HTML, or just strip out the markup.

 

 

Any other ideas?

 

 

Tom

 

 

 

 

Holy mother of pearl. 25000 for an 026

[jwsmobile]

This seems excessive, to say the least.

RARE-VINTAGE-IBM-26-INTERPRETING-CARD-PUNCH-OWN-A-PIECE-OF-HISTORY

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161725243156

but it's rare.

Re: Holy mother of pearl. 25000 for an 026

[Connor Krukosky]

That has been posted up for a LONG time and will likely NEVER sell at 
that price or at any offer since this guy seems to think its made of gold.
It's less rare than an 029 seemingly anyway. The 026's seem to have had 
a lot more of them run for a longer time, meaning more survived to see 
the light of day again...
Its in better condition than the one I got, but I got mine for only 9 
dollars!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-26-Keypunch-Punch-Card-/141603779673
It may be worth a couple of hundred to the right person, but I can't 
ever see that thing selling anywhere close to that figure...


-Connor K

On 6/5/2015 8:38 PM, jwsmobile wrote:


This seems excessive, to say the least.

RARE-VINTAGE-IBM-26-INTERPRETING-CARD-PUNCH-OWN-A-PIECE-OF-HISTORY

http://www.ebay.com/itm/161725243156

but it's rare.

Re: Holy mother of pearl. 25000 for an 026

[Mark J. Blair]

I think I'd enjoy having an 029 if the right one appeared at the right cost and 
location. But I think I could get by with an 026 for $9! :)

I have zero experience with keypunch machines and zero practical use for one... 
but I think it would be fun anyway.

-- 
Mark J. Blair, NF6X 
http://www.nf6x.net/

Re: Holy mother of pearl. 25000 for an 026

[Ethan Dicks]

On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Connor Krukosky
 wrote:
> Its in better condition than the one I got, but I got mine for only 9
> dollars!!
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-26-Keypunch-Punch-Card-/141603779673

Nicely done.  I have an 026 that needs to be completely cleaned, lubed
and inspected.  It was removed from a clean place where it was disused
for decades, but AFAIK, it was stored in working order.

-ethan

RE: Holy mother of pearl. 25000 for an 026

[Robert Jarratt]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mark J.
> Blair
> Sent: 06 June 2015 03:06
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> Subject: Re: Holy mother of pearl. 25000 for an 026
> 
> I think I'd enjoy having an 029 if the right one appeared at the right
cost and
> location. But I think I could get by with an 026 for $9! :)
> 
> I have zero experience with keypunch machines and zero practical use for
> one... but I think it would be fun anyway.
> 


I am with you on the 029, I used to use one and would love to have one of my
own, although, as usual, I think space would be a problem. :-(

Regards

Rob

Re: Holy mother of pearl. 25000 for an 026

[Brent Hilpert]

On the one hand the 25K is ridiculously excessive; on the other I'm surprised 
you were able to obtain one for so little, even in poor condition, and there 
was so little bidding.

Replacing the missing keycaps may be difficult, but it otherwise looks quite 
recoverable.


On 2015-Jun-05, at 6:21 PM, Connor Krukosky wrote:

> That has been posted up for a LONG time and will likely NEVER sell at that 
> price or at any offer since this guy seems to think its made of gold.
> It's less rare than an 029 seemingly anyway. The 026's seem to have had a lot 
> more of them run for a longer time, meaning more survived to see the light of 
> day again...
> Its in better condition than the one I got, but I got mine for only 9 
> dollars!!
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-26-Keypunch-Punch-Card-/141603779673
> It may be worth a couple of hundred to the right person, but I can't ever see 
> that thing selling anywhere close to that figure...
> 
> -Connor K
> 
> On 6/5/2015 8:38 PM, jwsmobile wrote:
>> 
>> This seems excessive, to say the least.
>> 
>> RARE-VINTAGE-IBM-26-INTERPRETING-CARD-PUNCH-OWN-A-PIECE-OF-HISTORY
>> 
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/161725243156
>> 
>> but it's rare.