Re: Deprecation notice for BIND 9.18: Differentiated Services Code Point (DSCP) support

2023-01-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

> On 5. 1. 2023, at 14:46, Robert M. Stockmann  wrote:
> This is like Mercedes Benz announcing they will only sell
> the Baby Benz model, which is a Volkswagen EV barebonez with
> the VW logo replaced with a plastic Mercedes Benz star



On Thu, 5 Jan 2023, [utf-8] Ondřej Surý wrote:

I've asked for a strong use-case and all I've got was a snark.

Do you actually have a real-world use for DSCP or are you just in bad mood?



On 05.01.23 15:21, Robert M. Stockmann via bind-users wrote:

From /usr/share/doc/bind-9.9.9P6/FAQ :


there's no DSCP mentioned here.

Are you aware that only the DSCP flags are deprecated, not all *source and 
*forwardes etc options themselves?



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Re: Deprecation notice for BIND 9.18: (root-)delegation-only option

2023-03-23 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 22.03.23 17:36, Ondřej Surý wrote:

in line with our deprecation policy, I am notifying the mailing list about our 
intent
to deprecated the delegation-only and root-delegation-only options.  This is 
again
adept for expedited deprecation - it will be removed in BIND 9.20 and deprecated
in BIND 9.18.


what's the reason? Code cleanliness?
Or is it problematic to maintain?


The (root-)delegation-options were introduced as a countermeasure for the 
infamous
Site Finder by Verisign[1]. With the controversy around this and introduction 
of DNSSEC,
the likelihood of this happening is infinitesimal.

If you don't even know what those options does, the TL;DR is that it disables
the non-delegation records for configured domains (TLD), this in turns might
break legitimate TLDs like .de, .fr, .museum and others [2][3].

If you know a legitimate reason to keep those options, please describe the use 
case
here or in the issue mention below.


well, if "just for sure no other AH tries that again" is not a reason for 
you...


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Re: Deprecation notice for BIND 9.18: (root-)delegation-only option

2023-03-27 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 22.03.23 17:36, Ondřej Surý wrote:

in line with our deprecation policy, I am notifying the mailing list about our 
intent
to deprecated the delegation-only and root-delegation-only options.  This is 
again
adept for expedited deprecation - it will be removed in BIND 9.20 and deprecated
in BIND 9.18.



On 23. 3. 2023, at 17:57, Matus UHLAR - fantomas  wrote:
what's the reason? Code cleanliness?
Or is it problematic to maintain?


On 23.03.23 19:11, Ondřej Surý wrote:

Those are wrong questions to ask - the right question to ask is whether this 
bring any
value - and the answer is that it doesn't, then it becomes unmaintained and 
untested
cruft.


my question was related to the next one.


The (root-)delegation-options were introduced as a countermeasure for the 
infamous
Site Finder by Verisign[1]. With the controversy around this and introduction 
of DNSSEC,
the likelihood of this happening is infinitesimal.

If you don't even know what those options does, the TL;DR is that it disables
the non-delegation records for configured domains (TLD), this in turns might
break legitimate TLDs like .de, .fr, .museum and others [2][3].

If you know a legitimate reason to keep those options, please describe the use 
case
here or in the issue mention below.


well, if "just for sure no other AH tries that again" is not a reason for you...


No, it will not happen again, at least not at the TLD level. The community has 
learned
and ICANN has learned too.


this is what I wanted to hear.

Unfortunately there are companies that do this for their customers.

If this should happen at any level, what are the possibilities to discard 
such responses?


Use RPZ that will rewrite specific A/ records into NODATA/NXDOMAIN?
We'd need the specific address(es) to rewrite but we could live with that.

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Re: Bind dns amplification attack

2023-03-28 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 28.03.23 16:04, Nyamkhand Buluukhuu wrote:

No, I have an access list that allows only our ISP zones.


zones? access lists are meant to limit clients.

how do your access limits look like?
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Re: Bind dns amplification attack

2023-03-28 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 28.03.23 18:48, Nyamkhand Buluukhuu wrote:

Like below in named.conf:

acl recclients {
   43.228.128.2/32;
   202.70.32.17/32;
   103.29.147.0/29;
   103.99.103.0/24;  }

allow-recursion { recclients; };


Great, this means that only clients with those IP addresses can query 
your server for non-local information.


So, your server should NOT be part of Amplification attack.
(unless you run VERY OLD version of BIND)

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Re: Bind dns amplification attack

2023-03-28 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 3/28/23 6:30 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
Great, this means that only clients with those IP addresses can 
query your server for non-local information.


On 28.03.23 10:16, Grant Taylor via bind-users wrote:

I used to think the same thing.

Then I learned that I needed to also add similar configuration for 
`allow-query {...};` and `allow-query-cache {...};`


allow-query-cache defaults to content of allow-recursion if only the latter 
is defined.


allow-query is safe to configure if nobody is supposed to query your server 
from outside - e.g.  your server does not provide authoritative zones for 
use from internet.


If your server has authroritative zones for internal use, yes, in such case 
allow-query is good idea.


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Re: Bind dns amplification attack

2023-03-28 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 3/28/23 10:48 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
If your server has authroritative zones for internal use, yes, in 
such case allow-query is good idea.


On 28.03.23 11:02, Grant Taylor via bind-users wrote:
The server that I first set this on had a secondary copy of the root 
zone for my systems use.  I ended up adding additional restrictions to 
prevent the world from querying it in addition to the public zones 
that are allowed to be queried by the world.


Yes, this is one of the problem "authoritative zones for local use".
The default root "hint" zone is only available for those who have recursion 
available.

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Re: Bind dns amplification attack

2023-03-29 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 3/28/23 11:28 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

Yes, this is one of the problem "authoritative zones for local use".


On 28.03.23 12:18, Grant Taylor via bind-users wrote:
Authorizing the /zone/ for local use wasn't the problem.  The problem 
was that the world could get some of that zone's data from the query 
cache even if they couldn't query the zone directly.


when was this?

querying cache is by default allowed for the same clients as recursion, 
perhaps unless it was old BIND version.



The default root "hint" zone is only available for those who have 
recursion available.


I feel like the "root hint zone" is considerably different than "root 
zone" proper.  The fact that they have different zone types seems to 
support that.


yes. The content of hint zone is abused to generate aplification attack:

Mar 26 16:03:53 fantomas named[1654]: client @0xe7379d50 195.88.25.138#59467 
(.): query (cache) './ANY/IN' denied

If you have local root zone, response is provided by default, it can be 
huge:


% dig +noanswer +noadditional +nocomments +nocmd +noquestion -t any . 
@fantomas.fantomas.sk
;; Query time: 0 msec
;; SERVER: 195.80.174.185#53(195.80.174.185)
;; WHEN: Wed Mar 29 09:23:27 CEST 2023
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 2904


but default "type hint" root is treated as cache and REFUSED is sent.


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Re: host restriction

2023-05-16 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 15.05.23 20:58, Kereszt Vezeték wrote:

Can someone help me with the following problem ?
I have a dns server in my private network with a local domain. The dns
server forward the public request to the google dns server .


why? BIND server can resolve perfectly without fdorwarding anywhere.


I wold like separate hosts in the inside network.
One group allow only the local host resolve, not forward to the 8.8.8.8
.Other group allow the local hosts resolve, and able to forward to the
google dns server.
Are there any way to solve this problem with bind9 ?
Local subnet 192.168.1.0/24



192.168.1.10 allow forward to 8.8.8.8
192.168.1.11 allow forward to 8.8.8.8



192.168.1.20 disable forward 8.8.8.8
192.168.1.21 disable forward 8.8.8.8


And how should request from these IPs be resolved?

If really neede (see my comment above), I recommend using views for this. 
Mostly because they can have separate cache.


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Re: resolver: DNS format error from

2023-05-17 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 17.05.23 11:31, Greg Choules via bind-users wrote:

TL;DR 9.18 is stricter than 9.16 at handling junk responses from
authoritative servers.


I think there were even "DNS flag day"s when operators were supposed to 
install/configure systems that comply to standards.


After next DNS flag say (none announced afaik) we should expect broken 
servers stop being supported - whoever owns one, will have troubles.



Looking at a packet capture for this from my own BIND server (9.18.14) the
response from 195.178.56.17 is FORMERR, which tends to mean that it objects
to something in the query. The correct response to something you don't like
is to ignore it, so this server is not obeying protocol and 9.18 is not
going to try and work around broken behaviour.

I disabled sending of cookies to this server and now it works. It could be
that it doesn't like cookies, or just any EDNS option that it doesn't know
what to do with. Either way, it should be fixed.



On Tue, 16 May 2023 at 15:53, Alex  wrote:

I have a bind-9.18.7 system on fedora37 and having some strange errors
with some queries.

$ host info.apr.gov.rs
Host info.apr.gov.rs not found: 2(SERVFAIL)

in my bind logs I have the following:
16-May-2023 10:37:49.800 resolver: DNS format error from 195.178.56.17#53
resolving ns1.apr.gov.rs/ for : server sent FORMERR
16-May-2023 10:37:49.800 lame-servers: received FORMERR resolving '
ns1.apr.gov.rs//IN': 195.178.56.17#53
16-May-2023 10:37:49.800 lame-servers: timed out resolving '
info.apr.gov.rs/A/IN': 212.62.49.194#53
16-May-2023 10:37:49.800 query-errors: client @0x7f9d546d5168
127.0.0.1#59712 (info.apr.gov.rs): query failed (failure) for
info.apr.gov.rs/IN/A at ../../../lib/ns/query.c:7717

In the limited search results I've found for this, I believe it has
something to do with dnssec or EDNS, but I really don't know how to
troubleshoot this. Is this a known problem?

It also appears to be happening with even hosts like ticketmaster?
16-May-2023 10:21:09.348 lame-servers: FORMERR resolving '
engage.ticketmaster.com/NS/IN': 205.251.194.123#53

The host resolves fine on my bind-9.16.38 system using the exact same
configuration, as well as most or all public resolvers.


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Re: migration to new isp - now private addresses showing up publicly?

2023-05-23 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 23.05.23 12:22, Kaya Saman wrote:
I've got a very strange problem that has emerged somehow after 
migrating my isp.



My setup previously used 2x servers in master/slave configuration for 
my public "view" and then had 3x servers for the "internal" view. This 
was working fine for years and I have been regularly testing using 
online dns healthcheck sites such as mxtoolbox etc...



Now when I try to run any type of check from mxtoolbox or other site 
eg. https://dnschecker.org/ I am getting my private IP's showing 
instead of the public ones?



Initially it started off by my external zone files not transferring 
which I managed to see that the information was trying to traverse my 
NAT (I know, not the best practice to have all dns servers on the same 
network).



As a result external emails from my mail server are not working too 
well with a hit and miss type thing going on right now.



Just to go over, my zone files are fine as the 'external' ones only 
have public ip addresses in them and do not include any type of 
internal addressing whatsoever.



Here's an example of the config in named.conf for the master:



view "external" {
    match-clients { !internals; any; };

[...]

view "external" {
    match-clients { !internals; any; };


I don't see your definition of "internals".
Also, I don't see your definition of internal view.
if internal IP addresses are visible on the internet, obviously the internet 
sources fall into your internal view, not into this one.



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Re: Controlling which interface named uses

2023-06-12 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On Sat, 10 Jun 2023 19:24:03 +0200
Ondřej Surý  wrote:
You are over-complicating things.  If unconfigured, named binds the 
outgoing UDP to 0.0.0.0 (::0), which means the chosen IP address is 
picked by the kernel.  You need to configure priorities on your 
interfaces in the kernel - ip route is your friend.


And for goddess’ sake, don’t do anything wild like proposed round robin 
across default routes.  That would be a living hell to debug.


On 11.06.23 10:34, Paul Kosinski via bind-users wrote:
If you have some external interfaces you *don't* want named to use, but 
might want other outgoing traffic to use, you would need some "policy 
based routing", which can get complicated.  In Linux, this is controlled 
by "ip rule" (not "ip route").


note that query-source settings affects source IP of packet, while "ip rule" 
affects outgoing interface (unless you also configure SNAT for those 
packets), so they are not exactly the same.


In some cases you may need both.

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Re: latency and response time

2023-06-27 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 27.06.23 16:22, sami.ra...@sofrecom.com wrote:
Hello In DNS benchmarking  which is more important latency or response 
time?  for a DNS server what is the difference between the two values?


I don't see any difference between those two.

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Re: Possibility of using views to properly return appropriate IP address for hostname based on requestor subnet?

2023-06-29 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 28.06.23 15:45, Ubence Quevedo wrote:

My question is, is there any way to "properly" return a hostname/IP based
on what network the request is coming from?


bind has "sortlist" statement that could do what you want. It will provide 
all IPs but sorted differently.


Otherwise, you can set up multiple views with different versions of the same 
zone, configured to provide different verision according to source IP.

This is much harder to set up.


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Re: Bind to Bind DNS Lookup - Returns wildcard value for defined A record

2023-07-16 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 16.07.23 02:08, OwN-3m-All wrote:

I've got a bind recursion DNS server setup that is returning the wrong
value for an outside domain that I also maintain and host on another server
running a bind DNS server.  Yet Google's DNS and other major DNS providers
respond with the correct IP address A record when querying.  I can't figure
out why my recursion enabled instance is not returning the correct IP
address for a specific host.  Rather, it returns the wildcard value from
the zonefile rather than the specifically specified A record entry created
for that host.

It appears bind to bind is returning the wildcard value for a specifically
defined host in the zonefile from the server it's hosted on.

Is this a recent bug in bind?  More information about my setup and issue
can be found here:

https://serverfault.com/questions/1136914/bind-recursion-dns-server-returning-wildcard-address-for-host-despite-exact-entr

From what I found online, if there's a specific host A record entry
defined, it should always return that IP.  Wildcard is only for those not
defined.  Yet, when I remove the wildcard from the zonefile, my bind
recursion instance returns the correct value, but not when the wildcard
entry is there.  But Google and other major DNS providers return the
non-wildcard value as expected.


Please provide concrete example, I can't query fun.test.test.me. nor 
test.test.me.

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Re: Dynamic updates to multiple masters

2023-08-02 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 02.08.23 11:53, Shailendra Gautam wrote:

I have four authoritative dns servers, all running in master mode for my
zone for high availability, currently they all pull a static zonefile. I'm
trying to implement dynamic updates but I am wondering if there is any way
to avoid sending an update to each of them, and send the update only once
and it should sync to all 4. Would like to know if anyone has faced this
problem before.


Microsoft's AD supports something like this, the domains are kind of 
synchronized between servers.


As a downside, when using AD server as primary for zones in AD, you can't 
use multiple servers as the zones are often not in sync.


I would either create hidden primary that would process dynamic updates.
For DNSSEC and inline signing, hidden primary looks as best option to me.

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Re: Forwarders working differently on bind9.8 & bind9.11

2023-09-19 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On Tue, Sep 19, 2023 at 7:28 AM Prashasti Arora 
wrote:


I have configured a new zone to forward certain queries to my application
on 2 VMs (One local and the other in my network) through a specific port. I
have 2 similar setups - they are identical, except that one uses bind9.8
and the other uses bind9.11. Configuration is also identical for both.

On the first setup (using bind9.8): the traffic I send gets distributed
uniformly.
On the second setup (using bind9.11): the traffic gets distributed barely.
99% of the traffic is sent to one VM.


BIND wants to get responses as soon as possible, thus it queries servers who 
respond fastest.


BIND keeps track of how fast servers are responding, and which server 
responds faster, will get queries more often.


Time to time, BIND re-checks other servers to see if they perform better, 
because that can change over time.


What is the problem?


I have verified that forwarding is working correctly on both, the issue is
not with the application because both VMs on each setup can handle traffic
individually, the firewall is not blocking the queries, and the
configuration is correct.

This is the zone:

zone "example.com" IN {
type forward;
forwarders { 127.0.0.1 port xxx; a.b.c.d port xxx; };
forward only;
};


Please share any other possible solutions.


On 19.09.23 08:25, Bob Harold wrote:

Note that the 'forwarders' line, from the BIND 9.11 manual:  "There may be
one or more forwarders, and they are queried in turn until the list is
exhausted
or an answer is found."  So the first one will get all the traffic, the
second is just a backup to be used if the first fails.
If you expect that to do load balancing, it will not.  Try a real load
balancer, or 'dnsdist'.


I think this behaviour changed to the one I described above a long time ago.  
Perhaps after BIND 9.8



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Re: Question on ISC BIND DNS Server

2023-11-22 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 22.11.23 23:44, Turritopsis Dohrnii Teo En Ming wrote:

I have Virtualmin / Webmin web hosting server control panel. I have 2
Virtual Private Servers in Germany and 1 Virtual Private Server in
Japan.

Can I upgrade BIND DNS Server manually? Will it cause problems with
Virtualmin / Webmin?



I think this is question for webmin/virtualmin, but from what I know about 
webmin it tends to edit local configuration, so I guess it will edit primary 
zone file.


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Re: error: 'allow-update' is not allowed in 'slave' zone

2024-02-14 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 14.02.24 17:06, trgapp16 via bind-users wrote:

I configured Bind 9.18.12 as slave DDNS with dynamic updates from DHCP (ISC 
DHCP 4.4)
running on the same server (Ubuntu 22.04 server)

When I run "named-checkconf named.conf", I get the following error

"named.conf:2018: option 'allow-update' is not allowed in 'slave' zone 
'zonename.com'"

Following is the named.conf file (part)

zone "zonename.com" {
type slave;
file "com/zonename/sec.zonename.com";
masters {
IP address;
};
allow-update {
key rndc-key;
};
allow-transfer {
IP address;
};
};

I am clueless what is going wrong. Any help is greatly appreciated


your nameserver does not update secondary(slave) zones, therefore 
allow-update does not make sense.


you should remove it or replace with allow-update-forwarding so all received 
updates are forwarded to primary(master) server.


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Re: Deprecation notice force BIND 9.20+: "rrset-order fixed" and "sortlist"

2024-03-01 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 01.03.24 08:24, Ondřej Surý wrote:

The "sortlist" option allows to define a complicated rules when and
how to reorder the resource records in the responses. The same
caveats as with the "rrset-order" apply - relying on any specific
order of resource records in the DNS responses is wrong.

We are not aware of any other (major) DNS server that would have
similar behaviour as this was never specified in the DNS protocol.
If you know of any software or hardware relying on any specific
order of the resource records in the DNS messages, it needs to
be reported as a bug to the respective vendor.


I don't know about _requirement_, but I have used this option as poor 
man's way to implement geographically local IP addresses

- to anyone return topologically closer IP addresses first, others next.

I found it especially nice because it doesn't matter which service are we 
using - if there are multiple IP's for _anything_, return topologically 
closer first.


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Re: occasional SERVFAIL error

2024-03-01 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 29.02.24 15:20, Ludovit Koren wrote:

occasionally I get the following SERVFAIL error:

dig www.jiscd.sk

; <<>> DiG 9.18.24 <<>> www.jiscd.sk
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: SERVFAIL, id: 12207
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 1

;; OPT PSEUDOSECTION:
; EDNS: version: 0, flags:; udp: 1232
; COOKIE: 35fe56eb9b5f3f22010065df34b4c313eedf839eac9d (good)
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;www.jiscd.sk.  IN  A

;; Query time: 17 msec
;; SERVER: 127.0.0.1#53(127.0.0.1) (UDP)
;; WHEN: Wed Feb 28 14:27:16 CET 2024
;; MSG SIZE  rcvd: 69



I can get rid of it only after issuing:

rndc flush

Afterwards it works for uncertain time.

Could it be I have a configuration problem of my server (I have prefetch
0 set in options section of my server)? Is it a problem of the
authorized domain server?


I have looked onto it manually, so far found nothing.

rndc dumpdb could generate named output where you should be able to find out 
the culprit.


the difference between current version of zone between ns1.gov.sk and 
ns2.gov.sk could affectg this problem.



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Re: transfert master slave

2024-03-25 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 25.03.24 11:34, sami.ra...@sofrecom.com wrote:
I'm trying to configure a DNS slave server (192.168.56.157) .  I want to 
allow notifications only from the master (192.168.56.154).  I added the 
directive "allow-notify {192.168.56.154;};" and it works.  However, when I 
try to test the prohibition of notification by adding "allow-notify 
{none;};" at the slave, it still receives updates from the master.  The 
transfer on the master is as follows:


allow-notify will not stop the master to send notifies. They will just 
be ignored.



allow-transfer {192.168.56.157;};
also-notify {192.168.56.157;};
notify explicit;"



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Re: SRV on multiple subdomains

2024-05-14 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 14.05.24 13:08, DEMBLANS Mathieu wrote:

I have a question about configuration simplification for SRV configuration 
(maybe it can be applyed for other entries).

We manage multiple subdomain of a main one (server1.example.com, 
server2.example.com,...).
For A and MX entries, we use a general domain definitions with wildcard but is 
there a way to do so for SRV without having to define all subdomains (we have 
several dizains of it) ?

We have to define some SRV entries with the same target like :
_imap._tcp.server1.example.com  IN SRV main.exemple.com
_imap._tcp.server2.example.com  IN SRV main.exemple.com



I assume that _imap._tcp should be configurable per domain, so there should 
not be needed any need for things like _imap._tcp.server1.example.com

- you should use _imap._tcp.example.com


For example something like _imap._tcp.*.example.com  IN SRV main.example.com.
I read in a doc that the < * > can only be the  leftmost label in the name.


correct.


Is there an other way to simplify or does I have to add each entry individually?


no, but the question is if you really need this.

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Re: SRV on multiple subdomains

2024-05-15 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 14.05.24 14:20, DEMBLANS Mathieu wrote:

A part of the subdomains are managed by us, others subdomains by an other 
entity.


If you really have multiple subdomains for exanmle.com managed by different 
entities, then yes, wildcard is not good idea.

This applies to A and MX records as well.

So we can't configure a generic target for all subdomains as each entity 
has its own target for SRV entries.


You can't even setup wildcard for *.example.com to provide 
server1.example.com A/MX record, because the _imap._tcp.server1.example.com 
would make the wildcard invalid for server1.example.com.


Simply, wildcarding is not for case like this.



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Objet : Re: SRV on multiple subdomains

On 14.05.24 13:08, DEMBLANS Mathieu wrote:

I have a question about configuration simplification for SRV configuration 
(maybe it can be applyed for other entries).

We manage multiple subdomain of a main one (server1.example.com, 
server2.example.com,...).
For A and MX entries, we use a general domain definitions with wildcard but is 
there a way to do so for SRV without having to define all subdomains (we have 
several dizains of it) ?

We have to define some SRV entries with the same target like :
_imap._tcp.server1.example.com  IN SRV main.exemple.com
_imap._tcp.server2.example.com  IN SRV main.exemple.com



I assume that _imap._tcp should be configurable per domain, so there should not 
be needed any need for things like _imap._tcp.server1.example.com
- you should use _imap._tcp.example.com


For example something like _imap._tcp.*.example.com  IN SRV main.example.com.
I read in a doc that the < * > can only be the  leftmost label in the name.


correct.


Is there an other way to simplify or does I have to add each entry individually?


no, but the question is if you really need this.

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queries for "_.domain"

2024-05-17 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

Hello,

I have noticed that BIND sends strange (for me) queries.

5   0.198221 192.168.0.1 → 193.108.88.128 DNS 105 Standard query 0x15a4 A 
_.net.akadns.net OPT
8   0.204738 193.108.88.128 → 192.168.0.1 DNS 159 Standard query response 
0x15a4 No such name A _.net.akadns.net SOA internal.akadns.net OPT
9   0.205400 192.168.0.1 → 193.108.88.128 DNS 112 Standard query 0x3413 A 
_.office.net.akadns.net OPT
   10   0.211944 193.108.88.128 → 192.168.0.1 DNS 166 Standard query response 
0x3413 No such name A _.office.net.akadns.net SOA internal.akadns.net OPT
   11   0.212646 192.168.0.1 → 193.108.88.128 DNS 128 Standard query 0x70df A 
_.omexexternallfb.office.net.akadns.net OPT
   12   0.218782 193.108.88.128 → 192.168.0.1 DNS 182 Standard query response 
0x70df No such name A _.omexexternallfb.office.net.akadns.net SOA 
internal.akadns.net OPT

Is this a known feature I have missed?

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Re: queries for "_.domain"

2024-05-20 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 18.05.24 07:10, Mark Andrews wrote:

Correct. Later versions use NS queries as that allows named to cache the 
non-existence of the NS RRset.


I see this happened since 9.18.17
Luckily Debian 11/backports and Debian 12 have incorporated this version.


Using _.domain doesn’t allow that to happen.


Which I guess caused my problem.

Looking at the docs, I can only turn it off in previous versions.
(QNAME minimization was added in 9.13.2)

NS queries do however expose broken delegations.  Make sure you have 
working NS records at the zone apex and at the delegation point.  This is 
especially important when the server serves multiple levels in the zone 
hierarchy as intermediate delegations are often not seen without QNAME 
minimisation but are with QNAME minimisation.


Luckily this is resolving-only server.


We have had bug reports due to all delegating NS records referring to 
non-existing servers.

We have had bug reports due to garbage records at the zone apex.


I encountered problems like this in the past. And then people wonder they 
DNS work properly.


The "google (8.8.8.8) works" argument is problematic because google violates 
DNS in cases like this.


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Re: CNAME and IPv6

2024-05-29 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On Tue, May 28, 2024 at 09:09:20PM +0200, Marco Moock wrote:

rinetd manages 2 separate connections and should work with PMTUD.


On 28.05.24 22:17, Peter wrote:

I'm wondering how it would. The connections are TCP, the PMTU works
via ICMP6.


No, Path MTU discovery works with TCPv4 using ICMPv4 as well.
(although it was/is quite common to block ICMP packets which can make it not 
work properly)



So I would assume, the ICMP "packet too big" message
reaches the host where rinetd runs, is swallowed by the kernel, and
the kernel sets the MTU in it's hostcache. Or something along that
line.



The TCP traffic however gets forwarded by rinetd to the internal
appserver(s) - which never get the message that they should reduce
their MTU.


The data from one TCP connection are sent through another TCP connection, 
where both connections are separate with separate MTU and PMTUD.


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Re: Problem with a certain domain

2024-06-04 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 03.06.24 18:46, Thomas Barth via bind-users wrote:
I cannot send them an email to inform about a dns problem. The mail 
gets stuck in the queue.


postqueue -p
(Host or domain name not found. Name service error for name=mx.renr.es 
type=A: Host not found, try again)

r...@mallorcazeitung.es


Bind reports a communication error.

dig mx.renr.es
;; communications error to 127.0.0.1#53: timed out

I could enable the bind logging:

03-Jun-2024 18:34:22.681 client @0x7f014c88ed68 127.0.0.1#54496 
(mallorcazeitung.es): query: mallorcazeitung.es IN MX +E(0)K 
(127.0.0.1)
03-Jun-2024 18:34:36.098 client @0x7f014ef48168 127.0.0.1#59706 
(mx.renr.es): query: mx.renr.es IN A +E(0)K (127.0.0.1)
03-Jun-2024 18:34:41.106 client @0x7f014dd71768 127.0.0.1#56423 
(mx.renr.es): query: mx.renr.es IN A +E(0)K (127.0.0.1)


Should I perhaps ask the mail user to unsubscribe from this website 
due to troubles of bad configuration?



yeah I guess you should, their DNS servers are pretty much messed up:


% dig ns epi.es @213.4.119.2

; <<>> DiG 9.18.24-1-Debian <<>> ns epi.es @213.4.119.2
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 42145
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;epi.es.IN  NS

;; ANSWER SECTION:
epi.es. 259200  IN  NS  ns3.epi.es.
epi.es. 180 IN  NS  ns1.epi.es.
epi.es. 300 IN  NS  ns1.epi.es.
epi.es. 300 IN  NS  ns2.epi.es.
epi.es. 3600IN  NS  ns2.epi.es.

% dig ns1.epi.es @213.4.119.2

; <<>> DiG 9.18.24-1-Debian <<>> ns1.epi.es @213.4.119.2
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 57889
;; flags: qr aa rd; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 8, AUTHORITY: 5, ADDITIONAL: 0
;; WARNING: recursion requested but not available

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;ns1.epi.es.IN  A

;; ANSWER SECTION:
ns1.epi.es. 300 IN  A   213.0.95.2
ns1.epi.es. 300 IN  A   213.0.95.2
ns1.epi.es. 300 IN  A   213.0.95.2
ns1.epi.es. 300 IN  A   213.0.95.2
ns1.epi.es. 300 IN  A   213.0.95.2
ns1.epi.es. 300 IN  A   213.0.95.2
ns1.epi.es. 300 IN  A   213.0.95.2
ns1.epi.es. 300 IN  A   213.0.95.2

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
epi.es. 259200  IN  NS  ns3.epi.es.
epi.es. 180 IN  NS  ns1.epi.es.
epi.es. 300 IN  NS  ns1.epi.es.
epi.es. 300 IN  NS  ns2.epi.es.
epi.es.     3600IN  NS  ns2.epi.es.

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Re: Problem with a certain domain

2024-06-06 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

Am 2024-06-04 15:28, schrieb Greg Choules:

Firstly, I doubt you actually need to kill and restart `named`.
Flushing the cache would probably work, either all of it or just
selected names.

Secondly, take a packet capture of this happening and analyse what
BIND is really doing, in Wireshark.
- If it shows up that certain NS are causing the problem you can avoid
them, in config.
- If it's a DNSSEC issue, you can get around that on a per-domain
basis, if needed.
- If it turns out that qname minimization is the issue, you can play
with settings for that, too.

In short, there are plenty of tools in the kit bag. But understand
what the problem is first and to do that, gather data (pcaps and logs)
that can be used to paint a picture of what's really happening.


On 04.06.24 19:17, Thomas Barth via bind-users wrote:
The newsletter is only sent out once a day, so I would have to wait 
until tomorrow. I'll record it then. I have already experimented with 
tshark and recorded port 53. What I noticed as a network layman is 
that a certain response takes much longer on server 1 with the 
problems than on server 2.


if the problem happens again, you can call 'rndc dumpdb' to dump named's 
cache and see all records your named remembers about mallorcazeitung.es and 
epi.es

perhaps they can help to explain why named can't resolve anything.



It's the message:
No such name NS _domainkey.mg-esp-prod-eu-eu.mallorcazeitung.es SOA 
ns1.epi.es


Here is a part of the recording of server 1 with the problem, almost a 
delay of 2 seconds!

(tshark -w dns-mx1-l5.pcap -i eth0 -f "src port 53")

[...]
6 18:35:38,719369034	216.239.32.106	213.136.83.xxx	DNS	141	Standard 
query response 0x69ac A ns3.prensaiberica.net A 34.175.122.60 OPT
7 18:35:40,333128992	34.175.122.60	213.136.83.xxx	DNS	162	Standard 
query response 0xf393 No such name NS 
_domainkey.mg-esp-prod-eu-eu.mallorcazeitung.es SOA ns1.epi.es
8 18:35:40,370838540	194.69.254.1	213.136.83.xxx	DNS	1219	Standard 
query response 0xaadc DS mallorcazeitung.es NSEC3 RRSIG SOA ns1.nic.es 
RRSIG NSEC3 RRSIG OPT
9 18:35:40,402465454	34.175.171.102	213.136.83.xxx	DNS	165	Standard 
query response 0x7bfa A 
s1._domainkey.mg-esp-prod-eu-eu.mallorcazeitung.es SOA ns1.epi.es



Here is the part of the recording of server 2
(tshark -w dns-mx2-l5.pcap -i eth0 -f "src port 53")

5 18:32:03,019743724	213.4.119.2	167.86.126.xxx	DNS	139	Standard query 
response 0x36bf A ns4.prensaiberica.net A 34.175.171.102 NS ns1.epi.es 
NS ns2.epi.es
6 18:32:03,052680383	194.69.254.1	167.86.126.xxx	DNS	1219	Standard 
query response 0x5643 DS mallorcazeitung.es NSEC3 RRSIG SOA ns1.nic.es 
RRSIG NSEC3 RRSIG OPT
7 18:32:03,087003657	34.175.122.60	167.86.126.xxx	DNS	162	Standard 
query response 0x3d78 No such name NS 
_domainkey.mg-esp-prod-eu-eu.mallorcazeitung.es SOA ns1.epi.es
8 18:32:03,120746561	34.175.171.102	167.86.126.xxx	DNS	165	Standard 
query response 0x3a41 A 
s1._domainkey.mg-esp-prod-eu-eu.mallorcazeitung.es SOA ns1.epi.es



I therefore suspect that the delay will be even greater tomorrow again 
when the newsletter arrives, so that the "communication error" will 
occur again.

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qname minimisation per domain

2024-07-15 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

Hello,

I have noticed that especially DNS blocklist cause errors like:

Jul 14 01:41:28 fantomas named[1854]: success resolving 
'D.C.B.A.zen.spamhaus.org/A' after disabling qname minimization due to 'ncache 
nxdomain'

and blocklists like spamhaus are sensitive to too many queries.

is it possible to disable query minimisation for particular domains?


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Re: qname minimisation per domain

2024-07-16 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 15 Jul 2024, at 23:27, Matus UHLAR - fantomas  wrote:
I have noticed that especially DNS blocklist cause errors like:

Jul 14 01:41:28 fantomas named[1854]: success resolving 
'D.C.B.A.zen.spamhaus.org/A' after disabling qname minimization due to 'ncache 
nxdomain'

and blocklists like spamhaus are sensitive to too many queries.

is it possible to disable query minimisation for particular domains?


On 16.07.24 09:23, Mark Andrews wrote:
Is it really too much effort for the servers to return NOERROR instead of 
an incorrect NXDOMAIN for the intermediate names?  That would get rid of 
the log message.


These seem to run rbldnsd which is optimised for memory usage and speed of 
response, and returning different replies would I guess affect speed.


It’s changing 1 bit (0 vs 4 for the rcode) in the DNS 
header.  They don’t even have to lookup if there are names below the 
query.  The server can just assume that there are records there and return 
NOERROR for [0..255].zen.spamhaus.org, [0..255].[0..255].zen.spamhaus.org 
and [0..255].[0..255].[0..255].zen.spamhaus.org. Really we would like to 
be able to move to strict QNAME minimisation so we don’t need to make all 
the other queries after the first NXDOMAIN response but broken 
implementations like this are making that difficult.  It’s not like this 
is a new requirement.  A NOERROR response goes back the RFC 1034.  


I see there's issue and merge containing exactly this change: 
https://github.com/spamhaus/rbldnsd/issues/17


The discussion also mentions things like
 
  There is also quite a lot of consensus in the SMTP World that qname 
  minimization shouldn't be used on the resolvers used by mail servers


and

  For the IP(v4 and v6) datasets, all of them, we could implement a hackish 
  solution so that when a query for a "partial" ip address is received, 
  rbldnsd doesn't reply NXDOMAIN but NOERROR instead.


Additionally Spamhaus controls how often resolvers re-query.  10 seconds 
is a very short negative response TTL.  If they don’t like the query rate 
they can control it by returning longer negative cache responses.  Named 
does check in the cache for negative cache entries to determine whether or 
not to make the intermediate QNAME minimisation queries.


Lower negative TTLs allow for faster listing detection.
I also believe that it is in Spamhaus interest to have more paying clients 
(although this may not be the primary reason for short negative TTLs).



I guess for now, since the qname minimization increases number of queries 
sent and resolving time, I should disable qname-minimization on all named 
instances used by mail server.


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forwarding ".local" subdomains when "local" exist

2024-08-16 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

Hello,


our customer has private .local zone "example.local"
(I know this should be used for multicast...)
so I have configured forwarding queries for this domain to his servers:

zone "example.local" {
type forward;
forward only;
forwarders {
192.168.0.1;
};
};

zone "168.192.in-addr.arpa" {
type forward;
forward only;
forwarders {
192.168.0.1;
};
};

Since some queries for ".local" zone were leaking out of their network,
I have long ago locally configured empty zone "local":

zone "local" {
   type master;
   file "/etc/bind/db.empty";
};

Now, the resolution od "example.local" does not work, named returns 
"nxdomain", doesn't forward the query.


when I commented out the "local" zone, named started working,
I just needed to add
 validate-except { "local"; };
guess I understand why.


From the history I remember that defining zone (example.local) with no 
delegation in the parent zone (local) does not cause issues (locally).


Is "type forward" special in this case?

Debian 12, BIND 1:9.18.28-1~deb12u2

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Re: forwarding ".local" subdomains when "local" exist

2024-09-03 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 16.08.24 19:55, Tim Maestas wrote:

You need to have the delegation in the parent in order for the forwarding
to kick in. It can be bogus, but it has to be there. You'll find the same
behavior when you're authoritative for the root zone; any type forwarded
zones will need to also have NS in the root ( or closest enclosing
authoritative zone).


Thanks, this worked.

I created ".local" zone (copied from db.empty) with dummy NS for 
"example.local" and forwarding works, just as ".local" is resolved locally.




On Fri, Aug 16, 2024, 7:13 AM Matus UHLAR - fantomas 
wrote:

our customer has private .local zone "example.local"
(I know this should be used for multicast...)
so I have configured forwarding queries for this domain to his servers:

zone "example.local" {
 type forward;
 forward only;
 forwarders {
 192.168.0.1;
 };
};

zone "168.192.in-addr.arpa" {
 type forward;
 forward only;
 forwarders {
 192.168.0.1;
 };
};

Since some queries for ".local" zone were leaking out of their network,
I have long ago locally configured empty zone "local":

zone "local" {
type master;
file "/etc/bind/db.empty";
};

Now, the resolution od "example.local" does not work, named returns
"nxdomain", doesn't forward the query.

when I commented out the "local" zone, named started working,
I just needed to add
  validate-except { "local"; };
guess I understand why.


 From the history I remember that defining zone (example.local) with no
delegation in the parent zone (local) does not cause issues (locally).

Is "type forward" special in this case?

Debian 12, BIND 1:9.18.28-1~deb12u2


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Re: bind crash with max-refresh-time 0;

2012-02-06 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

>Does this also stop a slave from checking when it receives a
>notify? The documentation isn't clear on that.

configure master not to send notifies then. Alternatively, you can
deny notifies from master. But the first Mark's question is still
important:
What are you trying to achieve?


On 03.02.12 11:05, Miek Gieben wrote:

We were (are?) seeing a bug when using multiple masters. If during a zone
transfer a notify is sent, it looks like BIND aborts the transfer and
tries the second master. This second master is a spare standby and it
normally turned off. When BIND hits this second master it sees it
cannot do an axfr. BIND then (this is the bug) does not return to the
first master to finish (or restart) the transfer. It just sits until
the retry timer expires, which in this case is 15 minutes.

We notified ISC of this, but replicating this bug was hard and we
needed to go in production. (Sadly bind bugs aren't searchable on the
internet).

So to work around this I thought: kill the SOA timers (messing with the
zone is not an option) and only use notifies. But then bind crashes :)


Are you sure that only xferring when NOTIFY is received will prevent 
from crashing when another NOTIFY is received during transfer triggered 
by one NOTIFY?


I doubt so. In such case, better aproach should be disabling NOTIFY and 
only transferring when timers expire. 

However, the best approach should be upgrading to 9.8 and/or trying to 
replicate the problem (using unstripped BIND with debug informations and 
inspecting core file).


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Re: Multiple BIND instances

2012-02-07 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 06.02.12 23:09, sasa sasa wrote:
I got a server with 16GB memory, want to install 2 BIND on CentOS, one 
cache only and another authoritative.


Is it better to install 2 OS virtually and run BIND in them or run 2 
instances of BIND on the same OS?


According to what I've heard, virtualization has quite high overhead in 
such situations.


I mean what is the best practice to take advantage of the hardware 
resources without risking having single DNS with cache and 
authoritative?


You still have one server, virtualization would not change much about 
this.


You can even run a single BIND instance with two separate views and 
that should not affect functionality.


I suppose you are running 64bit OS, so you can have really huge cache 
(>4GB)


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Re: Multiple BIND instances

2012-02-07 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 2/7/2012 11:17 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

You can even run a single BIND instance with two separate views and that should 
not affect functionality.


On 07.02.12 04:02, sasa sasa wrote:

Wouldn't this have mixed (one) caches?


No, unless you use attach-cache directive.
However, the cache won't be big for authoritative-only part.

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Re: Multiple BIND instances

2012-02-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 07.02.12 14:10, Lightner, Jeff wrote:
Virtualization doesn't reduce use of resources but DOES separate into 
what are perceived to be multiple "servers" so I'm not sure what you 
mean by "you still have one server".


one machine, one piece of hardware. There's not much to separate there, 
unless if gives you some kind of safety or other advantage, but I don't

know about any that would help in such case.

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Re: about the MX and NS values

2012-02-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 09.02.12 15:13, Jeff Peng wrote:
I was thinking why RFC requires the values of MX and NS must be 
hostname not IP.


because it IS the hostname, not an IP.

A points to IP(v4)
 points to IP(v6)
NS, MX, PTR, CNAME... all others point to hostname.

otherwise, someone would need to decide what is an IP and what is not.

for example, 1.2.3.4 can be an IP, but also a domain name of 
1.2.3.4.in-addr.arpa. The only way you can decide which one it is, it 
the RR type.


those "common mistaked" of putting IP address into NS or MX reault 
either into


 IN MX 1.2.3.4..
 IN NS 1.2.3.4..

or into 


 IN MX 1.2.3.4.
 IN NS 1.2.3.4.

where 4. is not a valid TLD and thus they point nowhere.


Any glue? Thanks.


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Re: CVE-2012-1033 (Ghost domain names) mitigation

2012-02-09 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

> Questions:
> (1) It looks to me like if the ghost name is in our
>DNS RPZ zone, then that 'fixes' the problem for
>that name.   Is this correct?

Ghost domain could be redelegated to a new owner and become absolutely
legal.


On 09.02.12 07:36, John Hascall wrote:

  Caveat Emptor -- if you buy a former TDSS (or someother evil) domain,
  that's just too bad.


unfortunately, RPZ or DNSSEC - solving this problem depends on while 
world using them, so with this flaw in DNS protocol we're screwed 
still. 
When you buy a domain, just check if it's blacklisted anywhere if you 
want to avoid this



> (2) It also looks like restarting bind flushes the cache
>and that prevents the repopulation of the local cache
>with names which are ghosts (new different ghost names
>could, of course, be created).Is this correct?



AFAIK 'rndc flush' will do the same.


Thanks - we're doing a nightly restart for other reasons.


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Re: CVE-2012-1033 (Ghost domain names) mitigation

2012-02-13 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas


On 09.02.12 11:43, Lyle Giese wrote:
This is just my opinion, but this is not a bug.  It's the side effect 
of a desirable feature called caching.


It's a design flaw - you cache something forever, even if case you 
should not do it. The cache time is given and we should not expand it, 
for valid reasons.


Yea, we can brainstorm how to mitigate the effect, but in order to 
mitigate a problem, we have to know that there is a problem(revoked 
or bad domain).


I think that the described draft seems to solve the problem.

http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vixie-dnsext-resimprove-00

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Re: BIND 9.9.0 is now available

2012-03-02 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 29.02.12 17:53, Michael McNally wrote:

  NXDOMAIN redirection is now possible. This enables a resolver
  to respond to a client with locally-configured information
  when a query would otherwise have gotten an answer of "no
  such domain". This allows a recursive nameserver to provide
  alternate suggestions for misspelled domain names.  Note that
  names that are in DNSSEC-signed domains are exempted from
  this when validation is in use. [RT #23146]


just by signing? so I can spare all our domains from being misused by 
such shit just by signing them?


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Re: BIND 9.9.0 Inline-Signing Out of Control

2012-03-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 05.03.12 07:46, David Kreindler wrote:

We thought of two other differences between this zone and the others:

1. this zone has NS records with servers that are in the zone itself, and
2. our global "also-notify" option contain IP addresses that resolve to host 
names in this zone.

Could the problem be the result of the servers notifying each other?


This should not cause a problem, unless they would change the SOA each 
time.


As far as I understand your loks and Mark's reply, it's the same 
version of a zone, but the server is incrementally signing the zone, 
and after signong a bunch of names, it gets IXFRed to slaves.



On 2 Mar 2012, at 5:13 PM, David Kreindler wrote:

Mar  2 14:33:15 ns0 named[806928]: zone pesky.zone/IN (signed): loaded 
serial 2012030200
Mar  2 14:33:15 ns0 daemon:err|error named[806928]: zone pesky.zone/IN 
(signed): receive_secure_serial: unchanged
Mar  2 14:33:15 ns0 named[806928]: zone pesky.zone/IN (signed): 
reconfiguring zone keys
Mar  2 14:33:16 ns0 named[806928]: zone pesky.zone/IN (signed): next 
key event: 02-Mar-2012 15:33:15.740
Mar  2 14:33:16 ns0 named[806928]: client [ns3]#42941/key ns0-ns3 
(pesky.zone): transfer of 'pesky.zone/IN': AXFR-style IXFR started: TSIG ns0-ns3
Mar  2 14:33:17 ns0 named[806928]: client [ns4]#48695/key ns0-ns4 
(pesky.zone): transfer of 'pesky.zone/IN': AXFR-style IXFR started: TSIG ns0-ns4
Mar  2 14:33:17 ns0 named[806928]: client [ns2]#52228/key ns0-ns2 
(pesky.zone): transfer of 'pesky.zone/IN': AXFR-style IXFR started: TSIG ns0-ns2
Mar  2 14:33:17 ns0 named[806928]: client [ns3]#42941/key ns0-ns3 
(pesky.zone): transfer of 'pesky.zone/IN': AXFR-style IXFR ended
Mar  2 14:33:17 ns0 named[806928]: client [ns1]#51606/key ns0-ns1 
(pesky.zone): transfer of 'pesky.zone/IN': AXFR-style IXFR started: TSIG ns0-ns1
Mar  2 14:33:18 ns0 named[806928]: client [ns4]#48695/key ns0-ns4 
(pesky.zone): transfer of 'pesky.zone/IN': AXFR-style IXFR ended
Mar  2 14:33:18 ns0 named[806928]: client [ns2]#52228/key ns0-ns2 
(pesky.zone): transfer of 'pesky.zone/IN': AXFR-style IXFR ended
Mar  2 14:33:18 ns0 named[806928]: client [ns1]#51606/key ns0-ns1 
(pesky.zone): transfer of 'pesky.zone/IN': AXFR-style IXFR ended
Mar  2 14:33:21 ns0 named[806928]: client [ns3]#42944/key ns0-ns3 
(pesky.zone): transfer of 'pesky.zone/IN': IXFR started: TSIG ns0-ns3
Mar  2 14:33:21 ns0 named[806928]: client [ns3]#42944/key ns0-ns3 
(pesky.zone): transfer of 'pesky.zone/IN': IXFR ended
Mar  2 14:33:21 ns0 named[806928]: client [ns2]#52229/key ns0-ns2 
(pesky.zone): transfer of 'pesky.zone/IN': IXFR started: TSIG ns0-ns2
Mar  2 14:33:21 ns0 named[806928]: client [ns4]#48700/key ns0-ns4 
(pesky.zone): transfer of 'pesky.zone/IN': IXFR started: TSIG ns0-ns4
Mar  2 14:33:21 ns0 named[806928]: client [ns1]#51607/key ns0-ns1 
(pesky.zone): transfer of 'pesky.zone/IN': IXFR started: TSIG ns0-ns1
Mar  2 14:33:22 ns0 named[806928]: client [ns2]#52229/key ns0-ns2 
(pesky.zone): transfer of 'pesky.zone/IN': IXFR ended
Mar  2 14:33:22 ns0 named[806928]: client [ns4]#48700/key ns0-ns4 
(pesky.zone): transfer of 'pesky.zone/IN': IXFR ended
Mar  2 14:33:22 ns0 named[806928]: client [ns1]#51607/key ns0-ns1 
(pesky.zone): transfer of 'pesky.zone/IN': IXFR ended


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Re: reverse dns for IPV6 ranges

2012-03-09 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 05.03.12 22:19, hugo hugoo wrote:
But if only some IP have e reverse..what about the other server who 
have received an IP in the range?  Ip that can be changed every x 
hours.  IF no reverse, it can be blacklisted for some reasons or 
having some problems with services asking a reverse dns resolution.


Working with reverse DNS and blacklist records in the IPv6 is something 
very different from IPv4. Each end user will get mote IPs than whole 
IPv4 internet has, and it's easy to 

while you _can_ set up IPv6 reverse DNS records, you should not think 
of them same way as you did in IPv4.


SpamHaus has some recommendations related to IPv6 in order to avoid 
overhauling DNS when abusive client changes IPs to abuse servers.

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Re: nslookup fails if missing PTR record for IPv6 DNS server.

2012-03-16 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 16.03.12 14:57, Ashok Agarwal wrote:

I am trying to nslookup nameserver through IPv6 address. but nslookup is
failing to resolv nameserver when nameserver's PTR record is missing.
Kindly let me know if anybody has any fix for this problem.


the main problem is nslookup itself, and this is just one of reasons 
nslookup is not recommended for use.


you can create PTR record for your nameserver and configure the 
nameserver to know the PTR, to work around this problem.

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Re: "rndc reconfig" vs. "rndc reload"

2012-03-16 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 3/16/2012 4:10 AM, Mark Pettit wrote:
We have an antiquated push process that copies files into the 
zonefile directory and then tells BIND "rndc reload".  For various 
reasons, "rndc reload" takes about 120 seconds to complete.  BIND is 
not answering queries for a very large part of that time.


I recently started experimenting with a different process: instead of 
"rndc reload" after updaing some of the zone files, I loop through 
the list of updated zone files and run "rndc reload" for each 
one.


could the push process be changed to reload each individual zone after 
it's changed?


This is a vast improvement, because BIND doesn't appear to ever stop 
answering queries.


However, I'm curious what I should do when an update contains both a 
new config file and new zone files.


as others have already mentioned, 'rndc reconfig' will rescan config 
file and load new zones. You must still reload those updated.


Normally a "rndc reload" would rescan the config and then scan all 
zone files (including the new ones), loading the new ones into 
memory and starting to serve them.  But obviously we want to avoid 
"rndc reload" at all costs.


iiuc, reload forcifullly reloads all zones from disk, without checking 
for files' timestamps (just for cases where timestamp didn't change but 
files did). That would explain the delays. loading zones is very slow, 
BIND 9.9 should make it faster.


I was considering doing "rndc reconfig", followed by a "rndc 
reload" for each of the new zones.



Would this work?


yes, this should work.

On 16.03.12 05:49, Jonathan Vomacka wrote:
an rndc reload is usually for an individual zone file. If you update 
a zone (and change the serial number) a reload will implement the new 
changes.


Well, iirc the OP's problem is that when "rndc reload" is NOT for 
individual zone file, it takes very long. The question is, if/how can 
it be made to run faster.


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Re: nslookup fails if missing PTR record for IPv6 DNS server.

2012-03-16 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 5:03 PM, G.W. Haywood wrote:

You didn't tell the OP what to use instead of nslookup!


sorry :-)

On 16.03.12 19:33, Ashok Agarwal wrote:

If PTR is present then it works pretty well. My concern is without PTR
record.
Ya I can use "dig" instead to nslookup


you can also use "host", as it simpler and usually gives you what you 
need, unless you need to debug DNS itself.



On Fri, 16 Mar 2012, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:
the main problem is nslookup itself, and this is just one of 
reasons nslookup is not recommended for use.

[...]

but I need to fix it in nslookup as
well.
If anybody has any clue or can tell how it be fixed then it will really
help me and it be highly appreciated.


I have it already explained: It's a problem of nslookup. Either you 
will have the PTR, or you will have the error. No other way.


There are too many different versions of "nslookup" program within 
different systems, made by different perogrammers.  It's just useless 
to "fix" nslookup, because that is how nslookup works and that's why we 
advise you to use "host" or "dig".



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Re: Loadbalance caching dns server

2012-03-20 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 20.03.12 14:41, trm asn wrote:

Is there any mechanism to load balance Caching-DNS server. For example..

Cache-DNS1 : 192.168.1.98
Cache-DNS2: 192.168.1.99

Client : 192.168.1.199

When  192.168.1.199 send 10 request to query cache-dns then this 10 request
will be send to each Cache-DNS server with a load balance method. Each
server will get 5 requests.


there are network appliances that allow to do such thing. For example, 
nortel alteon, cisco ACE, or linux ipvs.


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Re: Name Resolution issue with one domain

2012-03-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 21.03.12 09:23, Mark Andrews wrote:

Stupid firewall rules in front of the nameservers.  They block
traffic sent from port 53 which is the port lots of nameservers
used to send query traffic.  When will firewall administrators learn
that the source ports can be anything, that they are not significant,
and that blocking traffic based on the source port is stupid.


maybe the admin set that up to force local servers using random ports, 
instead of 53, for outgoing requests. Nobody should use port 53 for 
_ougtoing_ requests.



bsdi# dig -b 0.0.0.0#53 www.dubaiairport.com @svr-b003.dubaiairport.com
09:13:17.909493 211.30.172.21.53 > 213.42.52.75.53:  18071+$ [1au] A? 
www.dubaiairport.com. ar: OPT UDPsize=4096 (49)
09:13:22.918018 211.30.172.21.53 > 213.42.52.75.53:  18071+$ [1au] A? 
www.dubaiairport.com. ar: OPT UDPsize=4096 (49)
09:13:27.928099 211.30.172.21.53 > 213.42.52.75.53:  18071+$ [1au] A? 
www.dubaiairport.com. ar: OPT UDPsize=4096 (49)

; <<>> DiG 9.9.0rc2 <<>> -b 0.0.0.0#53 www.dubaiairport.com 
@svr-b003.dubaiairport.com
;; global options: +cmd
;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached
bsdi#


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Re: Name Resolution issue with one domain

2012-03-22 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 21/03/2012 09:41, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

maybe the admin set that up to force local servers using random ports,
instead of 53, for outgoing requests. Nobody should use port 53 for
_ougtoing_ requests.


On 21.03.12 23:41, Anand Buddhdev wrote:

You're wrong. A name server can use any source port from 1 up to 65535
for an outgoing query, as long as that port is not in use by any other
process on the system.


well, it _can_ but because ports < 1024 are undesrtood as privileged, 
it should not use them.



In fact, up until Kaminsky's revelation, many BIND servers used a fixed
source port of 53.


yes, but because of Kaminsky's revelation, servers should not use that 
port anymore.


While it's of up to the the admin of resolving server, it's possible 
that FW admin at dubai airport had reason to block ports>1024. 

Maybe they got attack from enabled chargen or echo UDP services from 
somewhere. We do not knot that. But we surely know that OP's 
nameservers use port 53 which they should not use...



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Re: A large number of "ANY" query type queries

2012-03-28 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 28.03.12 16:08, ShanyiWan wrote:
On the DNS server, a large number of "ANY" type queries occur,why? The 
same IP address, produced a large number of requests within a very 
short period of time.  Can I block these IPs?


yes you can. I would also wonder who sends such queries, maybe they 
ask...

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Re: Forwarding based on Client IPs

2012-04-03 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 04.04.12 11:54, Siju George wrote:

Currently I am using Bind9 for DNS.
I wish to do the following forward.

1. Forward to domain Name Servers based on client IPS.

   a. Forward one set of LAN users to OpenDNS DNS servers soo that I
can restrict them
   b. Forward a second set of LAN users to google DNS server
   c. Forward a third set of LAN users by default through OpenDNS
but for some domains through google DNS.


why forward those queries? Is there any reason why you can't resolve 
them with your bind?


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Re: Forwarding based on Client IPs

2012-04-04 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 04.04.12 11:54, Siju George wrote:


Currently I am using Bind9 for DNS.
I wish to do the following forward.

1. Forward to domain Name Servers based on client IPS.

  a. Forward one set of LAN users to OpenDNS DNS servers soo that I
can restrict them
  b. Forward a second set of LAN users to google DNS server
  c. Forward a third set of LAN users by default through OpenDNS
but for some domains through google DNS.


On 04.04.12 12:33, Siju George wrote:

The only reason I need to forward then to OpenDNS (
http://www.opendns.com/ ) is because I use their filtering.
I guess I can avoid forwarding to google dns and resolve them with bind itself?


I guess you could even do the opendns filtering yourself, if opendns will 
provide you required data (and they are available for BIND as RPZ 
zones). I don't know if opendns provide such feature. However, who 
needs to use such filtering, should access opendns services directly, 
not through other server - I guess opendns filters depending on source 
IP, which will be the same for all clients using your dns server.

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Apple OS and DNS resolution (._dns-sd.udp. requests)

2012-04-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

Hello,

our customer (an ISP) reported that his clients have problems resolving 
sites like facebook, youtube, aplestores and that the problems only 
affect apple computers.


I notice many requests for dns service discovery:

Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#32844: 
query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied
Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#49019: 
query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied
Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#35647: 
query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied

these requests are denied, because we use private IPS from those ranges 
and I don't want to make them available for users.


Can these requests cause resolving problems on Apple computers?
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Re: Apple OS and DNS resolution (._dns-sd.udp. requests)

2012-04-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

In message <20120405090858.ga29...@fantomas.sk>, Matus UHLAR - fantomas writes:

our customer (an ISP) reported that his clients have problems resolving
sites like facebook, youtube, aplestores and that the problems only
affect apple computers.

I notice many requests for dns service discovery:

Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#32844:
 query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied
Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#49019:
 query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied
Apr  5 09:47:20 t03 named[8324]: security: info: client 195.168.157.82#35647:
 query 'cf._dns-sd._udp.132.110.254.10.in-addr.arpa/TXT/IN' denied

these requests are denied, because we use private IPS from those ranges
and I don't want to make them available for users.

Can these requests cause resolving problems on Apple computers?


On 06.04.12 08:09, Mark Andrews wrote:

Well you are leaking RFC 1918 answers.  I would close off the leak by
using views or different nameservers for your machines.


I am leaking? :) I am not. client is sending requests and I am denying 
them. I have in plan to move those zones to different servers to avoid 
this problem, and clients will get empty results.


I was curious if these can't cause the problem reported by user, 
however it appears not to be the source of it. I'll have to dig 
further.



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Re: troubleshooting bind

2012-04-10 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 09.04.12 16:55, Marseglia, Michael wrote:
I'm troubleshooting a DNS issue we recently experienced where records 
were unresolveable, response NXDOMAIN, from the caching DNS server.  
I flushed the cache using rndc flush and I received the host's ip.


There were no errors in the system log so I'm enabling debug logging 
should it occur again.  I'm still not sure what caused the NXDOMAIN 
response it so I'm reviewing my BIND config and taking a look at the 
default values.


the NXDOMAIN answer was apparently returned by one of servers that are 
authoritative for the domain or domains abovec. Check all servers in 
the resolution path for the answer.


It's a quite common problem with master/slave synchronization, multiple 
masters, or a missing delegation to a subdomain, where this can happen.


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Re: TC Flag

2012-04-10 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 10.04.12 19:24, rams wrote:

When I get TC flag for UDP query?


when the answer is too big to fit into the UDP packet of sice 512 
(default) or client-provided (when your client advises bigger buffer size)

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Re: Don't understand why I get a FORMERR (quad-A - ipv6 related)

2012-04-25 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

In message 

, Nicolas Michel writes:

I have BIND 9.6-ESV-R5-P1 on SLES 11 SP1 installed and it is working fine.
I only have a situation where I don't understand what's happening and why :
I try to do a quad-A query to www.ryanair.com (which is doesn't exists,
only single A). When trying this with "dig" on my BIND server, I get a
SERVFAIL return code. When doing the same query on the google DNS (8.8.8.8)
I only get no answer but a return code of NOERROR.


On 25.04.12 23:53, Mark Andrews wrote:

The root cause is that the name servers for www.ryanair.com are
misconfigured.  They are returning answers as if they are configured
for ryanair.com (see the SOA record) instead of www.ryanair.com as
can be seen below.


Hmm, I've been solving their problem years ago. Haven't they still fix 
that?

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Re: Max Client per Query

2012-05-03 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 30.04.12 13:54, Rafael Molina wrote:
   I need information about how works max client per query and 
client per query ?


if multiple clients send the same query, bind won't try to resolve 
multiple times, but wait until the answer comes. It needs to know which 
clients asked for that.


   I want to limit  number query done by a client. The usage of 
resources in my equipments is very high specially in my firewall.


either you have misconfigured or misbehaving client, or you need 
to upgrade your dns server. By limiting queries you may cause troubles 
to your clients.


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Re: Reverse zone delegation for 172.16.16.0/20 - HOW TO?

2012-05-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 21.05.12 10:20, Ellad G. Yatsko wrote:

I tried to delegate 172.16.16.0/ doing the following on the central site:
$ORIGIN 16.172.in-addr.arpa.
$GENREATE 16-31 $ NS srvgate.sokol.msk.united-networks.ru.

It works! :-) You are right! :-)


It works but better don't do that.


But I don't understand what do I need do on "sokol.msk"-server?
Do I need create 16 independent files for 
16.16.172.in-addr.arpa...31.16.172.in-addr.arpa

or is there a way which allow me to aggregate all of those in a one file?


the much easier way is create configs and zone files for 16 zones 
16.16.172.in-addr.arpa

...
31.16.172.in-addr.arpa

and use it as 16 separate /16 zones. Better do not try to make this 
easiee, you will end in making that more complicated and error-prone.

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Re: Reverse zone delegation for 172.16.16.0/20 - HOW TO?

2012-05-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 21.05.12 10:36, Ellad G. Yatsko wrote:
The below article doesn't answer on question how to formalize /20 
delegation. Instead it shows how to make < /24 delegation.

  http://dougbarton.us/DNS/2317.html


delegation of /20 can be simply made like the However it's better not to do things this weay and better split the /16 
block to 256 od /24 blocks and simply delegate each other as you need.


Doing it simple is both nice and resistant to errors.
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Re: Checking for zone expiration?

2012-05-22 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On May 21 2012, Alan Batie wrote:

We had a rather key zone mysteriously expire on a slave this morning -
the log files show a transfer a couple weeks ago, but it hadn't been
updated so there was no reason for one since and there were no log
entries about failed connection attempts.


On 21.05.12 22:27, Chris Thompson wrote:

Do you have "try-tcp-refresh no" in your named.conf options? If so,
and the slave had lost connectivity with the master, the SOA lookups
failing would not have triggered a transfer attempt and so you would
not see any "xfer-in" errors.


Isn't there anything other that will trigger transfer attempt, or is it 
useless in such case?

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Re: Bind configuration and log error

2012-05-23 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 23.05.12 12:56, Amira Othman wrote:

I have in my messages log file many lines as follows but with different
domains unreachable what does this mean:

named[15490]: network unreachable resolving 'platinum.cs.umanitoba.ca/A/IN'

also I can't dig or nslookup or ping my DNS server remotely what should I do
to enable that?


your server has apparently problems with internet conectivity. Is it 
behind firewall?

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Re: logging to syslog on another host?

2012-05-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 30.05.12 12:16, Sten Carlsen wrote:

I was considering to use the syslog on a different host for logging from
bind. The purpose was to collect logs from various places into one
repository.

[...]

Can bind send its logging output to an external syslog?


Not directly. However, that is what syslog daemon is for, simply 
configure it to forward logs to another machine.


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Re: Partial forwarding.

2012-05-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 30.05.12 04:03, Stephen James wrote:

We have a lab setup where we are testing a customer configuration but do not
have all of the same equipment.
Is it possible to have a bind server that resolves certain FQDNs in a zone,
while forwarding the remaining to another DNS?


not with BIND. Bind either forwards, or resolves. If it resolves, it is 
authoritative - if it does not have the answer, then the answer does 
not exist.  You can use lightweight DNS servers like dnsmasq that can 
locally resolve some hosts and forward all the rest.



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Re: Recommended value for max-cache-size for cache-only shared hosts..

2012-06-01 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 31.05.12 22:26, blr maani wrote:

 hmmm.. 75%-85% seems too large because the host runs email application in
addition to cache-and-forward-only BIND (for better local caching). So, I
was wondering if there are any best/proven practice/recommendations for
such shared application hosts ?

The default value is 32MB. We have 8GB RAM. I don't know if its better to
start with 1GB (1/8th of RAM)?


I was thinking of this when the default was changed to 32M. I changed 
it intentionally to 0 to see how much will memory usage grow.


I can tell you that on one of our servers where named uses most memory, 
it currently uses 1359868 VSZ and 732852 RSS after 38 days with ~432 
queries per second.


I have even increased max-ttl and max-negative-ttl to see if it affects 
memory usage.

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Re: Reverse zones best practices

2012-06-28 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 26.06.12 11:07, Brad Bendily wrote:

Personally, I'd rather edit 1 file, than hundreds of different files.


and when you make a mistake in one file, you will f*ck up everything 
instead of one /24 subnet



I can add the DNS entry and IP address and reload the service. No trying to
figure out which file it goes in. I try to keep the file in alphabetical order
which makes finding and adding entries easier.


alphabetical? If you want to make finding easier, you should use 
numeric order for reverse zones. Unless you want to search for RDATA, 
but don't care about duplicates...



(the best is to have records in the database, so you can sort according 
to anything you need)

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Re: Reverse zones best practices

2012-06-28 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 28.06.12 08:21, Mark Andrews wrote:

I would set up 10.in-addr.arpa which is slaved on all internal
nameservers and delegate the /24's as required.  10.in-addr.arpa
won't change much and will be cheaper in the long run than using a
stub zone.


Just to add that you may need delegation NS records for subzones.

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Re: What can cause excessive amount of _dns-sd queries?

2012-09-17 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 23.08.12 13:43, Eivind Olsen wrote:

I haven't seen this before.. I'm currently seeing someone (1 ip address)
do about 2.1 million queries / hour where a majority of the queries seem
to be:

b._dns-sd._udp.0.129.16.172.in-addr.arpa IN PTR +
db._dns-sd._udp.0.129.16.172.in-addr.arpa IN PTR +
r._dns-sd._udp.0.129.16.172.in-addr.arpa IN PTR +
talk.l.google.com IN A +
gmail-pop.l.google.com IN A +
gmail-imap.l.google.com IN A +

...and similar variations of these.

Have any of you seen something like this before?


I have... a customer was complaining about its clients not able to get to
sites like facebook, youtube, apple store etc. I don't work for the company
anymore so I have no idea if they have fixed it (the only way I could think
of it was to change the company's DNS architecture

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Re: Moving from "type forward" to "type static-stub"

2012-10-10 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 20.09.12 19:49, Oscar Ricardo Silva wrote:
The current servers are configured to forward any queries for our 
domain straight to our authoritative servers:


I've been reading about the new zone type:  static-stub  and believe 
this may work better for us.


If I'm correct, it will send non-recursive queries to the listed 
servers and will honor delegations. I've tested this configuration in 
our lab and it all appears to be working.


With our configuration, are there any downsides to changing from 
forward zones to static-stub?  Any gotchas I should know about?  At 
this time we don't have dnssec validation turned on.  We tried it and 
had too many problems with misconfigured domains not resolving 
properly so backed out.


typo forward supports "forward first" which is good if you have e.g. local
versions of blacklists but want to use standard resolution when your local
servers are unreachable.
 
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Re: ISC Bind in Active Directory

2012-10-24 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 22.10.12 13:39, Nicholas F Miller wrote:

We use Bind for all DNS including DDNS for our AD. We use GSS-TSIG to
control what record types and machines can make dynamic updates to our AD
zone.  We use ISC's DHCP but don't allow it to do DNS updates since we use
GSS-TSIG at the client level instead. 


For me to understand: do your clients use GSS-TSIG to update temselves
instead of DHCP server doing the same?


On Oct 22, 2012, at 11:36 AM, Aaron Thompson wrote:

Are you using AD or Bind for DNS/DHCP?  I'm assuming your using AD for
authentication.



On Oct 19, 2012, at 10:46 AM, Nicholas F Miller  
wrote:

DDNS record scavenging is the only feature I'm aware of that MS DNS has
that Bind doesn't .  On the flip side, ISC Bind can ACL who can add
certain record types to a dynamic zone using GSS-TSIG as well as
supports views and ACLs for recursion.  Everything else should be
standard DNS.


isn't the client self-registration the reason why scavenging is needed?
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Re: dns master-slave transfer

2012-11-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

于 2012-10-29 9:58, kavin 写道:

Now,I want transfer the zone data from the master dns serverto slave
dns server ,the master dns use bind-dlz+mysql and the slave dns server
use bind+file.


On 29.10.12 10:45, Feng He wrote:
AFAIK, BIND DLZ doesn't send a notify message to slave, so both your 
master and slave should be able to use the DLZ backend and run a 
mysql replication for data sync.


NOTIFY is not required to implement DNS, it just makes propagation faster.
AXFR should work without it, however the refresh/retry in SOA should be
small enough (depends on how often you change the data).

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Re: Lots of "RSA_verify failed" after upgrade to 9.7.7

2012-11-11 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

In message <20121105092813.ge34...@pol-server.leissner.se>, Peter Olsson writes

Yesterday I upgraded our slave DNS (running FreeBSD 7.4)
from bind 9.7.6.4 to 9.7.7. The server uses bind97 from
ports.

After that upgrade I get lots of these in syslog:

RSA_verify failed error:04077068:rsa routines:RSA_verify:bad signature:/usr/s
rc/secure/lib/libcrypto/../../../crypto/openssl/crypto/rsa/rsa_sign.c:263:

I have never seen these before.
I tried Google but got no recent results.
Anyone know what this means and how to get rid
of these errors?


On 05.11.12 21:21, Mark Andrews wrote:

Ignore them.  They will be addressed in the next maintenance release.


But not for 9.7, since 9.7 is EOL since november 2012. Correct?

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truncated responses vs. minimal-responses?

2012-11-27 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

Hello,

last few weeks I have seen many discussions over UDP truncating and using
"minimal-responses yes;" to prevent BIDN from doing that.

I've read article stating that nameserver should avoid truncating packets
even by skipping additional and authority sections in its responses, which
should mean that using minimal-responses would not help.

However, I've seen a few mails mentioning that a query can get truncated
when the authority section is too big and advices to turn minimal-responses
on.

Reading the 9.9.2 docs and even looking at the sources (I am not a C coder)
did not help me with this.

Can anyone enlight me in this?
Thank you.

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Re: truncated responses vs. minimal-responses?

2012-11-28 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

last few weeks I have seen many discussions over UDP truncating and using
"minimal-responses yes;" to prevent BIDN from doing that.

I've read article stating that nameserver should avoid truncating packets
even by skipping additional and authority sections in its responses, which
should mean that using minimal-responses would not help.

However, I've seen a few mails mentioning that a query can get truncated
when the authority section is too big and advices to turn
minimal-responses
on.

Reading the 9.9.2 docs and even looking at the sources (I am not a C
coder)
did not help me with this.


On 27.11.12 17:41, Mike Hoskins (michoski) wrote:

It seems it should help...  less bits in the packet relating to additional
and authority should leave room for other data.


OTOH, some of the data may be needed (later), and adding them into response
may avoid need for another request.


That said, I think the better way (when possible) is to adjust RRs not to
return "too much data" (e.g. NS, A, etc. not returning more than ~8 hosts
-- which in turn could be multicast, load balanced, etc to get the desired
scale).

Akamai, for example, defaults to limiting up to 8 "RDATAs" per RR (or
however you'd describe that).  If you add 20 As for a name you'll rotate
through 8 at a time.  You can request more at your own risk...they assume
you'll ensure the larger answer will fit in a UDP packet and not cause TCP
responses which cripple performance.


I know. But there are cases you just have much of data in the DNS and what I
am asking is, if BIND really does skip authority section, if it helps to
avoid sending truncated packets.

If it does, the minimal-responses does NOT affect packet truncation. if it
does not, I ask why...
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Re: Upstart job for BIND9

2012-11-29 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 29.11.12 14:03, Alexander Gurvitz wrote:

It will run bind on runlevels 2345, stop bind on other runlevels, but the
most important - respawn it once it stops with one it's famous assertion
failures :).


famous assertion failures? What system do you run the BIND on? Shouldn't you
better upgrade to version that has no famous assertion failures?


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Re: truncated responses vs. minimal-responses?

2012-11-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

Matus UHLAR - fantomas  wrote:

I know. But there are cases you just have much of data in the DNS and what I
am asking is, if BIND really does skip authority section, if it helps to
avoid sending truncated packets.


On 28.11.12 18:38, Tony Finch wrote:

Yes it does. For example, have a look at responses to queries for dotat.at
in mx for various buffer sizes and observe that RRsets are dropped but the
TC bit is not set.


Nice to see. I'm seeing recommendations to set minimal-responses to avoid
truncation problem anywhere and I'd like to have documented somewhere that
it just won't help...

I still can advise to test it, but official info from ISC would be the best.
I feel some people try to do that to avoid proper EDNS0 implementation...

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Re: Upstart job for BIND9

2012-11-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas
wrote:


famous assertion failures? What system do you run the BIND on? Shouldn't
you
better upgrade to version that has no famous assertion failures?


On 29.11.12 20:50, Alexander Gurvitz wrote:

Well, of course it's extremely exaggerated, sorry if I offended someone.
But crashes may happen, actually I started to play with upstart after named
stopped once on our production system (it's not an outdated version). I
think it's a good idea to make it respawn.


I don't think it's wise to respawn named without knowing why it crashed.
This could lead to repeated crashed and system overload.

You'd need to configure at least number of restarts allowed in specified
time... if it's production system, it should have backupe, shouldn't it?

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Re:

2012-11-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 29.11.12 18:34, Jose Manuel Delgado G. wrote:

about the other question, as to reduce the response time of my server when
the domain does not exist?


it is not the "domain does not exist" problem. This is the "the only
nameserver for a domain times out" problem, which can be only avoided either
by fixing the server or making it answer. Since there is just no workaround,
the only thing bind can do is to query (and timeout).


> # dig @8.8.8.8 videolinedvd.com



2012/11/29 Chuck Swiger 

You've got two nameservers for the domain per WHOIS as:

   Domain servers in listed order:
  NS1.VIDEOLINEDVD.COM
  NS2.VIDEOLINEDVD.COM

...but they don't have A records setup.  Your nameservers must have A
records:


actually, they have glue A record in .com zone:

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
videolinedvd.com.   172800  IN  NS  ns1.videolinedvd.com.
videolinedvd.com.   172800  IN  NS  ns2.videolinedvd.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns1.videolinedvd.com.   172800  IN  A   72.167.164.36
ns2.videolinedvd.com.   172800  IN  A   72.167.164.36


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Re:

2012-11-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

2012/11/29 Chuck Swiger 

You've got two nameservers for the domain per WHOIS as:

  Domain servers in listed order:
 NS1.VIDEOLINEDVD.COM
 NS2.VIDEOLINEDVD.COM

...but they don't have A records setup.  Your nameservers must have A
records:



On Nov 30, 2012, at 4:53 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

actually, they have glue A record in .com zone:

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
videolinedvd.com.   172800  IN  NS  ns1.videolinedvd.com.
videolinedvd.com.   172800  IN  NS  ns2.videolinedvd.com.

;; ADDITIONAL SECTION:
ns1.videolinedvd.com.   172800  IN  A   72.167.164.36
ns2.videolinedvd.com.   172800  IN  A   72.167.164.36


On 30.11.12 09:46, Chris Buxton wrote:


Glue records without matching authoritative records are pretty useless. If
there isn't a matching A record in the videolinedvd.com zone as served by
those two servers, it just won't work.


at the time I have checked, the server ad given were not responding.
So I can not say if there are any records... did you get any?

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Re: truncated responses vs. minimal-responses?

2012-12-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 28.11.12 18:38, Tony Finch wrote:

Yes it does. For example, have a look at responses to queries for
dotat.at
in mx for various buffer sizes and observe that RRsets are dropped but
the
TC bit is not set.



On 11/30/2012 01:30 PM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

Nice to see. I'm seeing recommendations to set minimal-responses to avoid
truncation problem anywhere and I'd like to have documented somewhere that
it just won't help...


On 03.12.12 09:41, Gilles Massen wrote:

Truncation happens only if the ANSWER section is too large, and as
minimal-responses only affects AUTHORITY and ADDITIONAL the effect on
truncation should be null.


I'm curious if there's any case where the AUTHORITY section is needed to
proper function of DNS. I think I've seen reports about truncaetd responses
with AUTHORITY section added ... maybe intermediate firewall or
loadbalancer truncating them...


For UPD fragmentation it is an entirely different matter, of course. But
should default settings really be optimized to accomodate broken firewalls?


default or non-default, if weare behind firewall or loadbalancer, we should
know when they cause troubles.


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Re: Expiration TTLs

2012-12-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 02.12.12 18:10, Paul Romano wrote:

Thanks for the correction on the term TTL instead of timer.  The engineer I
inherited this environment from has the refresh set to 40 minutes and the
zone expiration set to 2 hours.  The explanation I got was that since we
are authoritative for AD we want ensure that some kind of scavenging is in
place.


... and if your primary server(s) fill fail for 2 hours, your zone will stop
working.


Your explanation suggests that the refresh time is strictly
survivability and will not force an update if the serial numbers do not
increment enough to implement the refresh.


that is how DNS works. The problem with microsoft DNS servers and AD is that
they do not follow this standard. 


Am I stating this correctly?  Any suggestions?


according to what I know, use 2-3 AD servers and keep DNS on them.
Just make sure they will not fail at the same time...


If anyone has better info on how do microsoft AD sevrers work with DNS, just
let us know...
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Re: Can't find named_dump.db

2012-12-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 03.12.12 21:32, Daniele Imbrogino wrote:

I edited the working directory to /etc/bind because this is the directory
where I have all the zone data files.
If I use the default /var/cache/bind do I have to move also the zone data
files


no, you will just have to provide full path in zones' filename statements


(or, at least, create an alias)?


you can make symlinks from /vat/cache/bind pointing to /etc/bind if you need


I'm saying this because even if the default configuration has
/var/cache/bind as default working directory, all the files are in
/etc/bind by default.


it's done this way just to have dumps and core files in /var/cache/bind
where named usually can write, instead of /etc where it usually can't (and
shouldn't).

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Re: OT - Dns test Q/A

2012-12-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 29.11.12 11:44, Chiesa Stefano wrote:

I created an application to delegate zone management to collegues that
are used to ask changes to that zones.

I would set up a small "zone administration test" to verify a minimal
dns knowledge (right use of main RR such A-CNAME-MX.)
Can you suggest me a document from which I can extract few questions?

Sorry for the OT and thanks in advance.


Sorry for not responding sooner, but I have not idea where you could find
such informations. I can only recommend you to search the net for already
existing dns knowledge tests...
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Re: Querying directly a nameserver works, while forwarding not

2012-12-05 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On Wed, 2012-12-05 at 10:23 +0100, Daniele Imbrogino wrote:

/etc/bind/named.conf.option


On 05.12.12 21:47, Noel Butler wrote:

WTF is that file?  it certainly is not an ISC named file.


It's file containing the options section, installed by default in debian.
From the changelog:

  * Do options definitions in /etc/bind/named.conf.options, makes life
easier in the face of named.conf changes from upstream.


if you are using some butchered to buggery distros file, please ask on
your distros mailing list
we are not to know what that file contains, or expects


it should only contain the options { }; directive with included options.

The bad part is when someone maintains multiple servers with similar
settings, only the differing options should be included in external file,
with common options in main config file.

debian uses:

- named.conf

// no host-specific options
include "named.conf.options"

- named.conf.options

options {
listen-on "...";
};


I used instead:

- named.conf:

options {
// common.options
...
include "named.conf.options";
};

- named.conf.options:
// host-specific options
listen-on "...";

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Re: Can't find named_dump.db

2012-12-06 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 05.12.12 15:07, Daniele Imbrogino wrote:

Finally I solved it!
The problem was in the write permission of /etc, while in /var/cache/bind
it works perfectly!
Thank you for the assistance!


I hope you did not allow BIND writing to /etc...
(/etc should be writable by admins, not daemons, that's why we use /var)


On 03.12.12 21:32, Daniele Imbrogino wrote:

I edited the working directory to /etc/bind because this is the directory
where I have all the zone data files.
If I use the default /var/cache/bind do I have to move also the zone data
files



2012/12/5 Matus UHLAR - fantomas 

no, you will just have to provide full path in zones' filename statements



 I'm saying this because even if the default configuration has
/var/cache/bind as default working directory, all the files are in
/etc/bind by default.



it's done this way just to have dumps and core files in /var/cache/bind
where named usually can write, instead of /etc where it usually can't (and
shouldn't).


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Re: Preference of Master Name Servers

2012-12-06 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 05.12.12 17:28, David Hall wrote:

Question 1:
In our secondary / slave name servers we specify the master name servers in
the normal manner:
zone mysample.me.uk { type slave; file "m/y/db.mysample.me.uk"; masters {
10.10.100.12; 10.10.101.12; 10.10.102.5; }; };
What I have found is that the order of the master name servers does not
matter and one is used at random. That name server is tried for all AXFR /
IXFR attempts until it is unreachable.
Is there a way to set a dedicated preference of which name servers to use
first?


No. all masters are treated equally. Do you know a reason why they should
not? However, if slave received notify from a master, it prefers fetching
from that master, afaik.


Question 2:
I am also seeing many entries in our logs that look like:
Dec 4 10:28:49 mysys named[28103]: zone mysample.me.uk/IN: refresh: retry
limit for master 10.10.101.12#53 exceeded (source 10.10.100.25#0)

Does this mean that the master name server is unreachable? I have confirmed
that it is reachable by UDP and TCP.
Or does it mean that we are hitting one of our limits? Our current values
are:
serial-query-rate 500;
transfers-out 300;
transfers-in 300;
transfers-per-ns 100;


I would try increasing limits, starting with transfer-in.
you can check in logs or via netstat (or packet dump), how many transfers
were executed in parallel (to know which parameter to increase)


Question 3:
We have over 100,000 domains on the name servers. What we see is that once
we start seeing many of these "exceeded" messages in the logs then our "soa
queries in progress" will go up significantly and never goes back down.
We have to shut down the name server and restart it, and then the "soa
queries in progress" goes down to 0 or 1 and he "exceeded" messages go away.
Has anyone had a similar problem? If so, how did you resolve this?


with 100k of zones, you must increase limits. Or, use different technique
for distributing changes, e.g. NOTIFY and increase the refresh (and retry)
times to avoid useless timeouts.

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Re: is there a also-allow-transfer

2012-12-16 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 13/12/12 9:46, Feng He wrote:

acl "NAMESVR" { 74.81.81.82; };


On 13.12.12 10:00, Sten Carlsen wrote:

NAMESVR is an acl, it could look like {74.81.0.0/16} or {any}

Essentially it is a kind of bitmask, not a list of IPs.


options {
  directory "/var/cache/bind";
  recursion no;
  version "unknown";
  allow-transfer { NAMESVR; };
  also-notify { NAMESVR; };



All notifys must have a list of IPs, if the acl was any, you would have
to notify the full internet. The mechanism is designed to accept only a
list of IPs. It can not accept an acl.


you can define master server via masters {} directive, and use it in
also-notify {} clause.

you will just have to define 74.81.81.82 two times - in both acl and masters
directives...


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Re: zone files in bind-9.9

2013-01-06 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 06.01.13 21:23, Feng He wrote:

I upgraded my BIND from 9.7 to 9.9.
For BIND 9.7 all zone files under /var/cache/bind are clear textes.
But under BIND 9.9 it seems the zone files are binary format.
So how can we check the content of zone files now?


"named-compilezone -j -F text " should do 
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Re: lame-servers: error (FORMERR) resolving [something]

2013-01-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

> Sometimes I can't resolve some addresses and, in the logs, I can find
> the message in the title:
>lame-servers: error (FORMERR) resolving [something]
> (where `something` is the address I'm trying to resolve).
>
> What does it means?



2013/1/8 Shane Kerr 

When acting as a recursive resolver, BIND 9 follows the chain of
delegation from the root, contacting name servers identified for each
domain on the way.

In this case, one of those name servers returned a packet that BIND 9
did not like for some reason - a FORMat ERRor. The offending server is
marked as "lame" since it cannot answer queries for the domain in
question.

The message should also include the IP address of the server that it is
going to at the end of the line.


On 08.01.13 13:05, Daniele wrote:

So it's not my responsibility to resolve the problem, right?

The point is that, sometimes, I can't resolve an address because of this
lame servers, and dig (for example) fails.

Is it possible?


possible, yes. but I would not be sure, since there are many different
reasons for the lookups to fail.

and there are few web services that check proper DNS functionality. I advise
check with more of them, since there's none I would completely trust.


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Re: Wildcard CNAME record?

2013-01-16 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 16.01.13 14:57, Baird, Josh wrote:

Is it acceptable to have a wildcard CNAME?  Example:

* IN   CNAMEsomewhere.com.

Or, would it be advised to only use wildcard 'A' records?


while it is technically valid, I don't think it's acceptable to use solutions
that require wildcards ;-)

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Re: Wildcard CNAME record?

2013-01-16 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

Matus UHLAR - fantomas  wrote:

On 16.01.13 14:57, Baird, Josh wrote:
> Is it acceptable to have a wildcard CNAME?  Example:
>
> * IN   CNAMEsomewhere.com.
>
> Or, would it be advised to only use wildcard 'A' records?

while it is technically valid, I don't think it's acceptable to use solutions
that require wildcards ;-)


On 16.01.13 15:16, Tony Finch wrote:

RFC 4592 is enlightening in a rather unpleasant manner.


yes, very unpleasant. I read that more than once and was repeatedly not able
to fully understand it.


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Re: lame-servers: error (FORMERR) resolving [something]

2013-01-22 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 22.01.13 11:18, Daniele wrote:

My router doesn't maintain a DNS cache, so it must be my IPS's fault.

The last questions, if it's possible: what happens when my 'named' starts
an iterative query? Does it arrive to the real root-server (first of all),


it should, but it appears that it does not. your ISP seems to beintercepting
those messages. Ask your ISP how to turn it off.


or is it processed by some other cache-server on the path? And why 'named'
doesn't "understand" the responses from these cache-servers?


in your case it's getting non-authoritative responses, but with recursion
allowed. Both are unexpected so named complains.


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Re: reverse resolution failing

2013-02-07 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

Jim Pazarena  wrote:


while it can resolve "webmail.acrodex.com" ( 139.142.184.10 )
it cannot reverse resolve 139.142.184.10


On 07.02.13 17:51, Tony Finch wrote:

10.184.142.139.in-addr.arpa. CNAME 10.0-25.184.142.139.in-addr.arpa.

0-25.184.142.139.in-addr.arpa. NS pluto.acrodex.com.
0-25.184.142.139.in-addr.arpa. NS nova.acrodex.com.
0-25.184.142.139.in-addr.arpa. NS saturn.acrodex.com.

Nova does not exist.

Pluto refuses most questions for 10.0-25.184.142.139.in-addr.arpa except
if you ask for a PTR, in which case it replies with a bogus question
section containing 139.0.184.142.in-addr.arpa.

Saturn works OK for most questions, and returns a PTR record if you ask
for ANY, but if you request a PTR directly it ignores you.


some kind of lame DNS "load balancers"?

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Re: question about dns query distribution

2013-02-08 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 08.02.13 20:01, benjamin fernandis wrote:

We have recursive / caching name server for our Broadband internet
services. And we have 60-40 traffic ratio. I mean 60 % queries comes
on primary and 40% on secondary.

Why primary does not getting 100% ?

Is there any way to do it ? or what is the reason behind it that both
servers' having queries ?


there are cases where DNS resolver sorts IP addresses and thus prefersone of
them. There are also cases where DNS resolver measures response time and
uses the faster DNS server.

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Re: Difference between multiple NS and NS having multiple A

2013-02-18 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

In message 
, Alexander Gurvitz writes:

Is there any practical difference between the following two:



example.com. NS ns1.example.com.
example.com. NS ns2.example.com.
ns1.example.com. A 1.1.1.1
ns2.example.com. A 1.1.1.2



example.com. NS ns.example.com.
ns.example.com. A 1.1.1.1
ns.example.com. A 1.1.1.2


On 18.02.13 08:43, Mark Andrews wrote:

Yes.  It makes fault isolation harder.


The same applies for servers behind load balancers. But the second case
makes adding nameservers easier, and makes more sure that some customers
don't decide to overload one of servers by adding any of them.

when BIND (or whomever) logs nameserver it should log both name IP.

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Re: broken ISP in china

2013-02-18 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 19.02.13 10:25, Noel Butler wrote:

One thing I need to point out, your SOA timings seem extreme...

refresh 86400  drop that to 3h
retry 3600, drop to 900


I don't see the reason for doing these, unless NOTIFY does not work, but in
such case it's the NOTIFY that should be fixed...


expire 604800 change that to 4w


not needed but 


and negative cache value 86400  drop that to no more than 3600,
maybe even just use 600.


I agree with this one. Value 86400 for negative cache is widely used, but
mostly from obsolete understanding of SOA field name "minimum".

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Re: BIND master , Windows 2008 stub zone not transferring

2013-02-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 20.02.13 17:41, Sowmya Manjanatha wrote:

Subject: BIND master , Windows 2008 stub zone not transferring

I am having the same issue and saw a couple of questions but didn't see any
resolutions.  Any one have any luck with this.


stub zone is never transferred. It is only queried for NS records for the
BIND to know who to ask for records.

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Re: allow-query and views

2013-02-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 21.02.13 08:59, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I am reading: https://www.isc.org/software/bind/faq and 'What has 
changed in the behavior of "allow-recursion" and "allow-query-cache" 
'.



I am struggling here trying to match up the various access control 
features, particularly when we are suppose to have different views 
for different clients.


So for my internal view where I:

   match-clients{ httnets; };
   match-destinations{ httnets; };
   recursion yes;
   allow-query{ httnets; };


allow-query is useless here, unless you have disabled it somewhere.
the match-clients does enough.


Do I also add

   allow-query-cache{ httnets; };
???


you apparently want to turn on recursion for your clients, which means, you
should use "allow-recursion" and let allow-query-cache be teh same by
default.


And for the external view where:

   match-clients{ any; };
   match-destinations{ any; };
   allow-query{ any; };
   recursion no;

Do I add:

   allow-query-cache{ localhost; };


???  Supposedly localhost will fall into the internal view (along 
with httnet)


and does localhost belong to the httnets ACL?


, so nothing should be querying cache?


correct, no external hosts should query your cache.

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Re: Resolver behavior on expired TTLs

2013-02-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 21.02.13 10:38, John Miller wrote:
Here's something I hadn't put much thought into until recently--it's 
never been a problem--how do resolvers behave when they receive a 
request for an expired entry in the cache, but cannot contact the 
authoritative nameserver?  I'd imagine they return a SERVFAIL, but I 
could see NXDOMAIN as well.  Does anyone know the answer?


they should not sent anything but SERVFAIL if they are unable to do the
resolution. SERVFAIL should cause the client ask other server, while
NXDOMAIN means that the host does not exist and client can stop searching.

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Re: allow-query and views

2013-02-21 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas

On 21.02.13 08:59, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
I am reading: https://www.isc.org/software/bind/faq and 'What has 
changed in the behavior of "allow-recursion" and 
"allow-query-cache" '.



I am struggling here trying to match up the various access 
control features, particularly when we are suppose to have 
different views for different clients.


So for my internal view where I:

  match-clients{ httnets; };
  match-destinations{ httnets; };
  recursion yes;
  allow-query{ httnets; };



On 02/21/2013 10:40 AM, Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote:

allow-query is useless here, unless you have disabled it somewhere.
the match-clients does enough.


On 21.02.13 11:08, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
No. allow-query made my internal view available to my local clients.  


allow-query defaults to all. match-clients directs your internal clients to
the internal view and unless you have disabled querying elsewhere, allowing
it is not important.

Check my earlier posts here.  I was down here with just the 
match-clients and without the allow-query; all local hosts were 
getting denied access.  It was painful for a little while.


Probably they did not have a recursion enabled. allow-recursion defaults to
local networks, if not specified directly or by allow-query-cache.


Do I also add

  allow-query-cache{ httnets; };
???


you apparently want to turn on recursion for your clients, which 
means, you

should use "allow-recursion" and let allow-query-cache be teh same by
default.


Recursion seems to be working with just  "recursion yes" here.


Recursion by itself, yes. But the default for allow-recursion might not be
enough for you.
In fact, you can use "allow-recursion { all; };" and still only internal
clients (in internal view) would have it allowed.


 What does allow-recursion add with given all the other restrictive
clauses?


It allows specified clients to use recursion. Both allow-query-cache and
allow-recursion default to the other one, when only one is specified.
However, allow-recursion gives a better idea of what is really allowed.


And for the external view where:

  match-clients{ any; };
  match-destinations{ any; };
  allow-query{ any; };
  recursion no;

Do I add:

  allow-query-cache{ localhost; };


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