Re: [BangPypers] Pyladies Bangalore
Hi, On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 10:34 AM, Annapoornima Koppad wrote: > Dear All, > > I recently started the Pyladies Bangalore chapter. I wanted to know how Thank you. Its been a long wait :) > many lady python programmers are on Bangalore python users group. I will be > really interested in the numbers in terms of, > > 1. How many lady python programmers are on Bangalore python users group? /me waves. I've had brief trysts with other languages, but I prefer Python since the last few years. > 2. How many are active in attending the Bangalore meetups? I never have attended, either because the topic was not what I was interested in, or because the meetup time/location is inconvenient (read, too much travel time). That said, I try to avoid talks (unless the talk is about something I absolutely want to learn); much preferring the practical form - workshops. > 3. How much is the participation of these women for any of Bangalore Python > outreach activities. I tried replicating the Python dojos concept from a talk I heard at Pycon. I got a lot of support online, but then realised the ground realities in India are different, and the effort died as quietly as it began, http://svaksha.com/post/2010/Weekly-Python-Dojo-at-Bangalore > 4. Of the active members, how many have been active in producing good > quality talks, workshops, etc. Never spoken locally as I dont know if there is any interest in scientific topics. IIRC, most of the list posting are web-related topics. I've spoken at PyconCA and for two years in a row my Pycon talk submissions were converted into poster sessions; but I had to withdraw due to insufficient travel funding. (yes, I'm aware of the FA, applied and was granted partial funding). Last year, I organized a Pandas workshop (this while I've never used it, but later worked with it) which was funded by the PSF, and the day-long event was covered by the CoC too. Had fun :) > I did a little bit of research before deciding to email the group here. > There are 570 members on the Bangalore Python user groups. Of which 20 are > ladies. Of the 20 number, 3 are recruiters. This number is really > disconcerting to me. Am I missing out some people here? This is leading me > to ask these questions. > > 1. How many women really attend workshops/meetups? > 2. Are there any efforts to understand the problems associated with the > poor attendance of women? > 3. Aren't there any women who want to learn Python but are too afraid to > ask questions. What is being done to address these problems? A survey would be nice as it would help the Bangpypers and meetup organizers understand the other half. I have two suggestions: 0. Please keep the survey results open so that everyone can view it. 1. Respecting user privacy and choice: Surveys (or forms) that insist on collecting irrelevant personal information are incredibly annoying. For privacy reasons, many people dislike being profiled and mandatory fields that insist on real name, location, where you work/study, designation, etc.. are a huge turn off. I'm ok with these questions so long as they are not mandatory (read, asterisk) fields. > That said, I am attaching the links to Pyladies Bangalore. Fwiw, the way Pyladies is run internationally is that women interested in opening a local chapter can easily start one in their own city. Please keep in mind that 'men' starting a group for the women is quite strange - yes, there was a student who would frequent the irc channel for weeks, insisting that he wanted to start a Pyladies chapter to encourage the women in his college to contribute the Foss. > While I want to keep this community pro-woman, I am not restricting it to > women alone. I would really appreciate if there are men willing to come It would be nice if any upstream developer would like to hold workshops and encourage newbies to contribute. Contributions could be in any form, not just coding, as most projects require good technical documentation <-- this is a great way to start out as you will learn how to use the software and create documentation while learning other skills, like DVCS, collaborating via lists and irc with the core community, etc.. -svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Feedspot Giveaway: Bangpypers get free subscription to Feedspot - A Google Reader+Google Alerts Replacement
On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Dhruv Baldawa wrote: > I got a personalized mail with a personalized discount code. Same here, but since it was some days before the mail hit this list I didnt think it was related to Python, just marked it as spam. I'm guessing he harvested all the public email Id's and decided to spam everyone. svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Pyladies Bangalore
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 7:13 AM, Devi wrote: > None of the meetups, but attended most of Indian editions of PyCon. Gave a > tutorial last year at PyCon India. Nice to meet you (virtually) Devi. > What do you mean by outreach activities? The PSF has various committees[0] and one of those is the outreach and education committee, which funds activities like sprints and workshops. The Pandas workshop I organised last year was funded by the Sprints committee as was Asheesh's (who helped me a lot) travel. They have a specific application format and if Pyladies-BLR would like to host sprints, workshops, bug-squashing sessions, documentation, etc... for core Python libs, I would love to help you draft an application for the local event. [0] http://www.python.org/psf/committees/ [1] http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/outreach-and-education > AFAIK, there're very few active women on this list. > > @Annapoornima > Being an active user of Python, I'm curious to know what are the goals of > PyLadies chapter. Although this is not addressed to me, I'll take the liberty of answering it. From, http://www.pyladies.com/, We are an international mentorship group with a focus on helping more women become active participants and leaders in the Python open-source community. Our mission is to promote, educate and advance a diverse Python community through outreach, education, conferences, events and social gatherings. PyLadies also aims to provide a friendly support network for women and a bridge to the larger Python world. Anyone with an interest in Python is encouraged to participate! There is an irc channel #pyladies on freenode, which averages between 60-70 people on any given day. Besides, Pyladies is pretty active in providing FA to women who wish to attend/speak at Pycon. From this year on, speakers can apply for FA directly on the pycon website. Also, this year, they have started workshops on helping women submit more proposals: http://www.pyladies.com/blog/getting-more-women-to-submit-talk-proposals/ svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py
https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py, comes off as trying too hard to be cute. #EpicFail. svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 4:31 PM, Vinayak Hegde wrote: > Hi Svaksha, > > This can be fixed by sending a mail to the author and in this case, > forking, modifying and asking for a pull request. > > Why is there a necessity to name and shame ? Is'nt Anand Pillai a PSF member? This is hardly what one expects from a PSF member. > I did not find anything > derogatory in the code (that I checked). From, https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py/blob/master/__init__.py def get_purpose(): """ Return the purpose """ raise AmbiguousMissionError, "Mission unclear" > I would normally have responded to this offlist but I see this as > trolling[1]. Oh, thanks Vinayak, but would you care to explain how I am trolling when the above is clearly breaking the CoC: http://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/ , by making fun of Anu's efforts publicly. Hardly "Open" or "Considerate" and definitely not "Respectful". If Anand can create a public repo on github to poke fun of another Python community member, why would you object to me raising it in the same public forum that we are all an equal part of? Are there different standards now? svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Vinayak Hegde wrote: > On second thoughts maybe this was the objectionable part > > def get_purpose(): > """ Return the purpose """ > raise AmbiguousMissionError, "Mission unclear" > > Also the URL http://ladiespy.com does not resolve. Ah, maybe you would like to follow up on your own suggestion and submit a Bug report :) !? > Also there are python programmers(gender-neutral term) on this list. > Maybe if there are > any issues with attitude, you are better off talking on this list and > educating people Umm... its not a woman's job to educate men (or anyone else for that matter) on basic manners. And this isnt his first attempt at humor either: https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2013-July/009125.html If one has a public sense of humor, one should be prepared for being called out publicly too. You cant expect to behave badly in public and then be educated in private. #NotMyJob. > than having a separate mailing list as it divides the community (which > I assume was > the intent of the author). Intent and tone do not travel well over the > Internet. They dont and if he had a problem with the group he could have raised it on the PyLadies-BLR mailing list to which he is subscribed to. He never did. Infact, IIRC, he joined the mailing list on 02Sept**, the same day he commits to the ladies.py repo on Github. ** (Disclaimer: I'm one of the list admins and I cross-checked this now.) svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 5:23 PM, Vinayak Hegde wrote: > > Also svaksha's mail did not mention what she > found objectionable. Vinayak, did you miss this email? https://mail.python.org/pipermail/bangpypers/2013-September/009359.html My replies are as inline text as I dislike top-posts and try to avoid that as much as possible. Do scroll down to the part wher I have provided a github link and also took the trouble of pasting the code for your convenience. > I am not defending Anand here (I hardly know him well) but it might be Contrary to your denial, your email admonishing me for raising it on this list and calling me a troll (and then trying to educate Anu on its definition) does come across as "defending Anand" even if you claim not to know him well. > better to talk to him personally rather than name and shame IMHO. As far as Err.. Why do you think it is my job (or anyone else's) to email him personally? As I mentioned earlier, if you behave poorly in public, dont expect private education. #NotMyJob. > trolling is concerned, it is a matter of perspective (See the reference at > the end of my last mail - I think the mail qualifies as trolling especially > due to the lack of information and use of words like #EpicFail). > I can also > say that Anand was also trolling by posting the code. Vinayak, you "can", but you didnt. Big difference that. svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py
Am reading all the responses, including Anand's apology, so I'll reply to those later. One at a time. And since you responded to my email, here goes: On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:00 PM, Vinayak Hegde wrote: > > > Nope. I was talking about the initial mail which lacked context. There you go again. See below. > I think we are splitting hairs here. I don't know him and I am not taking > sides and this is not a battle. I support more constructive methods of > approaching these problems in the community. Thats it. YMMV. Are we ? Lets see, its ok for you to split hairs and call me a troll but I cant respond? and when I do you choose to label that as "splitting hairs"? I find your responses a lot more patronizing and I'm happy to explain if you care to listen. The whole "telling women" what to do, how to handle things (despite her saying she does not like private conversation on social issues that ought to be public). There are plenty of sexist incidents in Foss and its not my job to go in private to educate anyone. > You are entitled to your opinion and me to mine. Thanks. However, your repeated emails on this thread came across as stuffing your opinions down my throat. I dont appreciate that and find it annoying as I dislike having private conversations on bad behaviour, unless you are a person I trust and respect - Yes, I've had many private conversations with hackers I've never met, just interacted online. This is just not one of those. > But if people flame > newbies / women / other under-represented groups unfairly (as you believe > Anand did in this case), I believe there are better ways to tackle that > IMHO. ...and thusfar, your suggestion has been along the lines of "go solve this problem in private". I've been around the FOSS block far too long to know it does not work. Never has. So, I'm curious to know why you expect women in Foss to solve social problems in Foss communities in private? Unrelated to this thread, do you realise that it can easily become a "he said-she said" issue which does not help at all. Been there, done that; and blogged about it too: http://svaksha.com/category/WOMEN/SexismInSTEM > I don't know what Anand's intentions were (and hence I reserve my opinion > as mentioned in earlier mails), but your response (#epicfail) was pretty > explicit. Vinayak, there you go, _yet_ again - you choose to reserve your opinions on his intent, but cannot stop harping or splitting hairs over my #EpicFail hashtag, or my first mail that "lacked context", "was pretty explicit" (which contradicts your "lacked context" claim). Do you want me to explain more or do you not honestly see the different (read, unequal) standards here? A pertinent read on tone policing: http://geekfeminism.org/2013/09/05/tone-policing-a-tool-for-protecting-male-power/ Btw, Vinayak, you are not alone as Sriram also wrote to me offlist - he has said so on the list too, but forgot to mention the full contents, and I paraphrase - ... that I'm trying to "publicly shame Anand Pillai", then questioned me about what I hope to achieve, and ofcourse the same old "you should talk to him in private". Having heard all this in this thread, I didnt bother to reply. > It would only be fair to hear out Anand as we have heard your > response and not his. Anand's email came as I was writing this response, so I'll reply separately. svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Anand B Pillai wrote: > +1. Btw, I founded and manage this list, but I see my "actions" > deserve some explanation. As Sriram, said I do have a (somewhat > extreme) sense of sarcastic and dry humour. I am also a PSF member > from 2010 and also President of PSSI. So? If anything, you should be held to higher standards as a PSF member and PSSI president. > curious. Maybe the OP of this thread who is an active member I may be the OP but I am not the founder, rather just a member who setup the mailman list as I disliked the meetup.com communication tool and dislike googlegroups even more. > of PyLadies could explain it - just to educate all of us here > and me in particlar. I hope Anu's email was explanation enough. > My "isnt_that_odd" function of ladies.py was specifically written > to bring this point. Happy to see it hit the target. Anand, now you just come across as self-entitled and arrogant. The "if apology" not withstanding. > 2. Mission - It would be nice to educate us all in this list > about the goals of a separate organization for "ladies coding" > as apart from the general PSF umbrella. I am not misogynistic You have been a PSF member since 2010, so did you question the PSF when they gave a $10,000 grant to the Pyladies.com org? I'm curious because you want to know about the motives of a chapter. > in anyway, but in general I don't personally agree with > "woman coding" as a separate problem as opposed to "people > coding". I hope you raised these objections on the PSF mailing list too. -svaksha ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:56 PM, Anand B Pillai wrote: > On Saturday 07 September 2013 10:26 PM, Annapoornima Koppad wrote: >> More, I had a good mind to email this particular detail to every >> women mailing list that I am aware of. But then, it would portray >> all Bangalore men in bad light. Which is not my intention. More >> over, I am in touch with the PSF board itself, I had a good mind to >> send your repository link to the PSF board itself. > > Well, no need of it. He has deleted the github repo, and now I know why. > Yes I know. I could have sent an email asking about my doubts to > PyLadies Bangalore but I have this wicked sense of doing things > the round about way - in a tongue-in-cheek manner. Hence I set up the > "project" to bring some attention to what I thought were points of > interest, with some dollops of well meaning humor. Really? Let me politely call you out on this claim. 1. Your earlier July post referring to the twitter logo as an "egg" (for the clueless, the egg is an ancient fertility symbol) does not seem like humor. 2. The class "class AmbiguousMissionError(Exception):" and method (def get_purpose():"raise AmbiguousMissionError, "Mission unclear") are not humor either. Both smack of sexism because you never bothered to ask Anu, nor participated in the emails on the pyladies-blr list, where we were discussing about holding meetups (both hangouts and in-person meets) and I didnt see any response from you regarding holding a talk or workshop or sprint. IIRC, Anu had earlier emailed this list asking for data (re, female participation in the monthly meetups) and iirc, you told her to conduct a poll. Is being dismissive yet another attempt at humor? ...and I am beginning to wonder why? If anything Anu is getting a lot of support from upstream, the PSF approved her grant request, etc.. and you being a PSF member should know better than ascribe it to your sense of humor because there is nothing funny about the above. > Sorry if it offended you. _"if"_? This is the classic "non-apology" apology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-apology_apology (scroll down to the "if apology"). svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py
On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Anand B Pillai wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > On Sunday 08 September 2013 01:44 AM, svaksha wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Anand B Pillai >> wrote: >>> +1. Btw, I founded and manage this list, but I see my "actions" >>> deserve some explanation. As Sriram, said I do have a (somewhat >>> extreme) sense of sarcastic and dry humour. I am also a PSF >>> member from 2010 and also President of PSSI. >> >> So? If anything, you should be held to higher standards as a PSF >> member and PSSI president. > > I have my personal standards and I am not the type of person > who likes to project stereotypes if you understand what I mean. > I like to break stereotypes. > > Btw, if you have heard of the term "anarchy", possibly that corresponds > best to what I did. Maybe you aren't used to people in position > resorting to anarchy, but I have often found it effective. > > See, people come from various backgrounds and beliefs, so > the most civilized thing to do is to respect the other person's > view points while asserting your freedom to differ instead > of trying to ram down your thoughts down other's throats > again and again. > > This is especially true in mailing lists. Being the last person > to post in a thread doesn't mean you are essentially right. It > possibly just means either people are shutting you out or > they are treating the thread now as noise - or they are just > indifferent. Am I supposed to thank you for your patronizing attempt to silence me because now you sound even more arrogant than before. >> I hope Anu's email was explanation enough. > > Yes it was to an extent and since the matter is settled, I am not sure > what you are trying to do by sending these follow-ups. An "if you were offended" is not an apology. "If" is a conditional statement and a classic "non-apology" masquerading as an apology. Since you took the trouble of creating another repo: https://github.com/pythonhacker/chillpill , I am curious if this is another "humorous" version of STFU. Did you forget to add some python code? >>> My "isnt_that_odd" function of ladies.py was specifically >>> written to bring this point. Happy to see it hit the target. >> >> Anand, now you just come across as self-entitled and arrogant. The >> "if apology" not withstanding. >> >>> 2. Mission - It would be nice to educate us all in this list >>> about the goals of a separate organization for "ladies coding" as >>> apart from the general PSF umbrella. I am not misogynistic >> >> You have been a PSF member since 2010, so did you question the PSF >> when they gave a $10,000 grant to the Pyladies.com org? I'm >> curious because you want to know about the motives of a chapter. > > No, I wasn't aware of it at that point as I don't keep > track of these things regularly. However since the local > chapter had started and there were a few emails, I have been > thinking more about it. > > Being a member of PSF doesn't mean you agree with everything > and also take on everything you may not agree religiously. There > are grey areas where you defer your considerations to a future > date - let me say this was one of it. Nobody asked you to agree with everything, I certainly didnt. The fact that Anu was able to start and get support for PyLadies-BLR from the PSF proves that she was able to kickstart it without your support. Right, you dont need every PSF member to agree on everything. >>> in anyway, but in general I don't personally agree with "woman >>> coding" as a separate problem as opposed to "people coding". >> >> I hope you raised these objections on the PSF mailing list too. > > I have been thinking more about it but as I see this is an issue > more of politics than technology and society, I may not. > > But I might as well - I don't know at this point. The next time you see anything related to PyLadies or women in Foss, feel free to air your sexist view that women's groups "is an issue more of politics than technology and society" on the PSF list. The zen of Python decrees that "Errors should never pass silently." and "Explicit is better than implicit". svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py
On Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 4:20 AM, Anand B Pillai wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Sunday 08 September 2013 08:23 AM, svaksha wrote: > > > > > The next time you see anything related to PyLadies or women in > > Foss, feel free to air your sexist view that women's groups "is an > > issue more of politics than technology and society" on the PSF > > list. The zen of Python decrees that "Errors should never pass > > silently." and "Explicit is better than implicit". > > Zen of Python also says, > > "Now is better than never." > > Let us end this now. > > > "Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules." > > I possibly did a special case and broke the rules. > > "Practicality beats purity". > "Beautiful is better than ugly." > > Since this is getting rather ugly, let us try and make it beautiful > and be practical about it. > > I sincerely apologize in a heart-felt way for hurting the > sentiments of the PyLadies Bangalore community . I would next time get > my doubts cleared first in their mailing list before taking such actions. > > I hope the sentiments are cleared now. Thank you for the apology Anand. I am seeing a number of mails and I am yet to read them all; but first, I wanted to thank everyone who supported us and request an end this thread. This apology is a lot more acceptable than the "if" one and I'd like to move on. To all those who support PyLadies, a big ThankYou. Anand, another request, can you delete the chillpill repo on github? I had not forked your (now deleted) ladies.py repo publicly as I felt you deserved a chance to explain yourself. However, your chillpill repo comes across as "STFU", annoying enough that I forked it on github. I'm happy to delete it if you care to go first. svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] Fwd: https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py
Chris, was it easier to troll in private than on the public Bangpypers mailing list? If you're reduced to ad hominem and that too in private off-list messages, you're pretty clearly out of anything remotely relevant to say. svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष -- Forwarded message -- From: CsquaredinOmaha Date: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py To: "svak...@gmail.com" svaksha, Let me see if I can summarize your string of responses: You are offended by Anand making fun of a group that used ".com" instead of ".org" and he apparently was sarcastically bringing into question/criticism some parts of your stated mission. In the subsequent emails, you threatened to report him and announced you felt the need to shame him on this list. So in essence Anand poked fun at some of your organizational decisions, and your response was to threaten. You would be a better representative for your views if you 1) Develop thicker skin about criticism - if you are confident in your cause, you don't have to be so easily offended. This episode illustrates that you are not. It makes your position, like your confidence, look weak. 2) Threatening to get someone in trouble over an opinion is "political correctness", which is very damaging to open discourse and thought. You not only have the right to voice your opinions, but also as part of that right, you have the right to dislike another's opinion. This should never be confused with the non-existent right to shut up someone when they displease you... You would not want someone to shut you up when they disagree with you - so have the decency to recognize that applies both of you. I have had this discussion many times - for some reason programmers, despite having a college education, did not seem to pay enough attention to civil rights class. I realize you were angry and this is how you dealt with the insult you perceived. But unfortunately when you react, by being easily bruised, unconfident, and demanding suppression of othersdamages your cause. Now, final note - Anand made a point that has been made many times before, and I would be interested in your response: "What purpose is served by creating a women's group, instead of joining the existing group thus making it more diverse?" In other words, what purpose is served by intentional segregation? Regards, Chris Payments Systems engineer - Omaha, Nebraska, US From: svaksha To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Anand B Pillai wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > On Sunday 08 September 2013 01:44 AM, svaksha wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Anand B Pillai >> wrote: >>> +1. Btw, I founded and manage this list, but I see my "actions" >>> deserve some explanation. As Sriram, said I do have a (somewhat >>> extreme) sense of sarcastic and dry humour. I am also a PSF >>> member from 2010 and also President of PSSI. >> >> So? If anything, you should be held to higher standards as a PSF >> member and PSSI president. > > I have my personal standards and I am not the type of person > who likes to project stereotypes if you understand what I mean. > I like to break stereotypes. > > Btw, if you have heard of the term "anarchy", possibly that corresponds > best to what I did. Maybe you aren't used to people in position > resorting to anarchy, but I have often found it effective. > > See, people come from various backgrounds and beliefs, so > the most civilized thing to do is to respect the other person's > view points while asserting your freedom to differ instead > of trying to ram down your thoughts down other's throats > again and again. > > This is especially true in mailing lists. Being the last person > to post in a thread doesn't mean you are essentially right. It > possibly just means either people are shutting you out or > they are treating the thread now as noise - or they are just > indifferent. Am I supposed to thank you for your patronizing attempt to silence me because now you sound even more arrogant than before. >> I hope Anu's email was explanation enough. > > Yes it was to an extent and since the matter is settled, I am not sure > what you are trying to do by sending these follow-ups. An "if you were offended" is not an apology. "If" is a conditional statement and a classic "non-apology" masquerading as an apology. Since you took the trouble of creating another repo: https://github.com/pyt
[BangPypers] Fwd: Fw: Fwd: https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py
Chris, STOP emailing me offlist. I made it very clear earlier that I didnt want to have any private conversations and have said everything on the list. List admins, can you do something to stop this? Thanks. svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष -- Forwarded message -- From: CsquaredinOmaha Date: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 6:32 PM Subject: Fw: [BangPypers] Fwd: https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py To: "svak...@gmail.com" Svaksah, This was intended to be sent to you directly, not to the group list. My rule is "praise in public, criticize in private". But I made a mistake in replying using this yahoo email interface. My apologies. - Forwarded Message - From: CsquaredinOmaha To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [BangPypers] Fwd: https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py That is what I thought - you have no answers and are simply interested in forcing others by your bullying. I took it off topic, directly to you, because I was honestly interested in your reply and didn't want your reply to be compelled to be less than honest. So my asking you a question you don't want to answer means you label it "troll" and wondering your position on equality of free speech is "ad hominem" . Your stance and attitude do your cause disservice. I don't believe you have even it any thought and perhaps don't even grasped my point. Which is unfortunate, it seems as so many liberals, that you are being loud without being thoughtful. From: svaksha To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India Sent: Sunday, September 8, 2013 12:49 PM Subject: [BangPypers] Fwd: https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py Chris, was it easier to troll in private than on the public Bangpypers mailing list? If you're reduced to ad hominem and that too in private off-list messages, you're pretty clearly out of anything remotely relevant to say. svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष -- Forwarded message -- From: CsquaredinOmaha Date: Sun, Sep 8, 2013 at 5:36 PM Subject: Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py To: "svak...@gmail.com" svaksha, Let me see if I can summarize your string of responses: You are offended by Anand making fun of a group that used ".com" instead of ".org" and he apparently was sarcastically bringing into question/criticism some parts of your stated mission. In the subsequent emails, you threatened to report him and announced you felt the need to shame him on this list. So in essence Anand poked fun at some of your organizational decisions, and your response was to threaten. You would be a better representative for your views if you 1) Develop thicker skin about criticism - if you are confident in your cause, you don't have to be so easily offended. This episode illustrates that you are not. It makes your position, like your confidence, look weak. 2) Threatening to get someone in trouble over an opinion is "political correctness", which is very damaging to open discourse and thought. You not only have the right to voice your opinions, but also as part of that right, you have the right to dislike another's opinion. This should never be confused with the non-existent right to shut up someone when they displease you... You would not want someone to shut you up when they disagree with you - so have the decency to recognize that applies both of you. I have had this discussion many times - for some reason programmers, despite having a college education, did not seem to pay enough attention to civil rights class. I realize you were angry and this is how you dealt with the insult you perceived. But unfortunately when you react, by being easily bruised, unconfident, and demanding suppression of othersdamages your cause. Now, final note - Anand made a point that has been made many times before, and I would be interested in your response: "What purpose is served by creating a women's group, instead of joining the existing group thus making it more diverse?" In other words, what purpose is served by intentional segregation? Regards, Chris Payments Systems engineer - Omaha, Nebraska, US From: svaksha To: Bangalore Python Users Group - India Sent: Saturday, September 7, 2013 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [BangPypers] https://github.com/pythonhacker/ladies.py On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Anand B Pillai wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi, > > On Sunday 08 September 2013 01:44 AM, svaksha wrote: >> On Sat, Sep 7, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Anand B Pillai >> wrote: >>> +1. Btw, I founded and manage this list, but I see my "actions" >>> deserve some explanation. As Sriram, said I do have a (somewhat >>> extreme) sense of sar
Re: [BangPypers] Beginner to Django Framework
https://code.djangoproject.com/wiki/DjangoResources , has a bunch of useful links too. ॥ svaksha ॥ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] One day hackathon at Thoughtworks Bangalore
On Thu, Oct 10, 2013 at 9:57 AM, Prakhar Goel wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks for the invite. I would like to join the hackathon. Details- > i...@prakhargoel.com, 9901817858. The RSVP is via meetup : http://www.meetup.com/PyladiesBangalore/events/143043842/ HTH, ॥ svaksha ॥ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Internship Opporunity
On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Aman Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > I have been looking out for any internships in Bangalore where I could > learn and apply my python ! Have you heard of GSoC - they will celebrate the 10th anniversary of the program and have had many Indian students participate successfully in the past years. Search and check the ideas page of the ProjectOrg's who participated in the past to get a better idea of what interests you the most - not all ideas get students, so contact the Org mentors on IRC or the list and discuss the pending ones, how you could proceed and prepare for the next year, etc.. They can guide you on your next steps. Start early and good luck! [1] http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2013/10/50-million-lines-of-code-and-counting.html [2] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/help_page [3] http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 HTH, ॥ svaksha ॥ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] [x-post] Pyladies weekly dojos
Hello, Pyladies-BLR[0] is happy to announce weekly dojo sessions to work on Python projects together. Dojos are an informal gathering of Python developers who'd like to code and brainstrom in small groups and help each other. The FAQ[1] page has more details. We use the github repo[2] to plan the dojos, which contains the logistics[3] with instructions on how to register/RSVP (space will be limited). If you have any suggestions for workshop topics, tutorials and other learner resources, fork, clone, add the links to the Kata[4] page and submit a PR. Ref: [0] https://mail.python.org/pipermail/pyladies-blr/2013-October/71.html [1] https://github.com/svaksha/pyladies-dojo/blob/master/FAQ.mediawiki [2] https://github.com/svaksha/pyladies-dojo [3] https://github.com/svaksha/pyladies-dojo/blob/master/README.mediawiki [4] https://github.com/svaksha/pyladies-dojo/blob/master/Kata.mediawiki Thanks, Svaksha ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] project
On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 5:20 AM, narayan naik wrote: > Sir,I am doing my M.Tech project on face detection,can u please tell me a > simplest face detection algorithm. https://github.com/svaksha/pythonidae/blob/master/Computer-Graphics.md#graphics PS: Please dont CC lists you are not subscribed to. hth, -SVAKSHA ॥ http://about.me/svaksha ॥ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
[BangPypers] virtualenvs [was] Online Python workshop
On Sat, Sep 14, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Noufal Ibrahim wrote: > > I just wrapped this up earlier today and have the course notes and IRC > transcript at > > http://thelycaeum.in/online-workshops/python-14-Sep-2013/python-14-sep-2013.html > > Comments welcome. Regarding the virtualenv, for each project, I prefer to tie it to the specific python version (ex. /usr/bin/python3.3) and also prefer the flag "--no-site-packages". This means I'd have to install the required packages inside the env, specific for each python version. This probably takes the isolated env concept a bit far, but I personally feel its cleaner. I had some more thoughts but that's for later. And ofcourse, nice work Noufal ! Best, svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Do you pin your requirements.txt ?
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 8:55 PM, Saager Mhatre wrote: > On Sep 16, 2013 12:38 AM, "Kiran Jonnalagadda" wrote: >> >> We deploy multiple times a day and I don't find that the gap between a >> Travis test and production deployment is so long that an upstream release >> within those few seconds broke compatibility. >> >> Kiran >> > > Dude, can I quote you on that? 'Cause that's probably *the* most awesome > pitch for agile, lean, fail early-fail often, short feedback loops, This largely depends on the development model (read, the what and where) - Agile works well for the service model but for larger and more complex systems (think BigData, multiple types of databases), stability matters a lot more. It is definitely a trade-off but there isnt a single model that works well for everyone as that choice depends on what you develop and where. svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] virtualenvs [was] Online Python workshop
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 5:15 AM, Balachandran Sivakumar wrote: > --no-site-packages is the default behaviour of virtualenv Thanks, I've not been following the *-dev news, https://virtualenv.readthedocs.org/en/latest/news.html?highlight=flags#id9 svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Functional testing wih headless browser framework
On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Amit Sethi wrote: > Hi , > > I am looking to add some functional testing to my application. I have seen > a couple of tools via google search but the reason I am a little > circumspect is that last time, I did something similar using selenium and > it seemed lack some requirements of mine.(It was not exacty headless) I've only experimented with funkload (more of a regression/ load/ stress testing tool) but here is a longer list: 1. Funkload, https://github.com/nuxeo/FunkLoad 2. Programmatic web browsing module with AJAX support for Python, http://pypi.python.org/pypi/spynner 3. http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/allpairs/ 4. https://github.com/gabrielpjordao/pyfunct svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Functional testing wih headless browser framework
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:34 AM, svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष wrote: > On Mon, Sep 16, 2013 at 8:54 PM, Amit Sethi wrote: >> Hi , >> >> I am looking to add some functional testing to my application. I have seen >> a couple of tools via google search but the reason I am a little >> circumspect is that last time, I did something similar using selenium and >> it seemed lack some requirements of mine.(It was not exacty headless) > > I've only experimented with funkload (more of a regression/ load/ > stress testing tool) but here is a longer list: > 1. Funkload, https://github.com/nuxeo/FunkLoad > 2. Programmatic web browsing module with AJAX support for Python, > http://pypi.python.org/pypi/spynner > 3. http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/allpairs/ > 4. https://github.com/gabrielpjordao/pyfunct 5. https://pypi.python.org/pypi/oejskit svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Pyladies Bangalore in Times of India
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 5:54 AM, Annapoornima Koppad wrote: > Dear All, > > Pyladies Bangalore was recently featured in Times of India dated, 22nd sept > and later on 23 sept as well. [1]. I am not able to find the link for the > 23rd edition. Is it this? http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tech/careers/job-trends/Lean-in-circles-for-women-coders/articleshow/22915047.cms Seems like a rehash of the earlier article with a new title. - svaksha ॥ स्वक्ष ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
