Re: [BangPypers] python/django training
hi sorry i had not edited that tag please updated it thanks srinivasa On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:23 AM, Kenneth Gonsalves wrote: > On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 06:51 +0530, srinivasa rao wrote: > > Thanks to all your responce but we need to plan with out fail to > > attend > > I have real time experience on python and share my experience sure i > > would > > like to take events for collage students or at colleges better we can > > save > > money but we need to take permission from college and i will take some > > special class to students . > > especially to professionals we need 2 days workshop and 1 month for > > students > > why the commercial tag on your mail? Please start a separate thread for > your efforts. > -- > regards > Kenneth Gonsalves > http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ > > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Pyramid and open-id
On 17-May-2011, at 11:38 AM, Baiju M wrote: >> You may need to port this code for Pyramid, though, as Flask is heavily >> dependent on thread-local proxies. > > What is the problem with "thread-local proxies" ? Nothing. It just means that the code won't run automatically in Pyramid. Kiran ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] Pyramid and open-id
I don't know what you mean by automatic.. The thread local helps to have global variables per thread so that it preserves the changes made in one thread should not affect another global variable in another thread.. In Pylons, request & context (may be many other stuffs) are treated as a global variables, they can be accessed from anywhere just by importing them.. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda wrote: > On 17-May-2011, at 11:38 AM, Baiju M wrote: > > >> You may need to port this code for Pyramid, though, as Flask is heavily > dependent on thread-local proxies. > > > > What is the problem with "thread-local proxies" ? > > Nothing. It just means that the code won't run automatically in Pyramid. > > Kiran > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software
On 05/16/2011 08:22 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: [...snip...] So my question is, what shit are you talking about based in India? Please, Please Enlighten me? /me thinks somebody just discovered a document online describing the art of trolling and now is aspiring to master it. It is fairly obvious given the first post and the subsequent responses. cheers, - steve -- random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software
Yes Indeed, you are right. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 2:44 PM, steve wrote: > On 05/16/2011 08:22 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > >> [...snip...] >> >> So my question is, what shit are you talking about based in India? Please, >> Please Enlighten me? >> >> >> > /me thinks somebody just discovered a document online describing the art of > trolling and now is aspiring to master it. It is fairly obvious given the > first post and the subsequent responses. > > cheers, > - steve > > > > -- > random spiel: http://lonetwin.net/ > what i'm stumbling into: http://lonetwin.stumbleupon.com/ > > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- http://about.me/santosh.rajan “The *young man* knows the rules but the *old man* knows the exceptions”. *Oliver Wendell Holmes* ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software
On 17-May-11, at 6:22 AM, Santosh Rajan wrote: Ok let me tell you the whole story scientifically. "The chances of anyone succeeding with an Open Source Project or Startup Company is inversely proportional to the square of the distance between San Fransisco and the location of this OpenSource/Startup Project". Okay, let's assume this to be true. Now we need to determine the causality. What are the possible reasons? Here are some: 1. A person in India will fail at trying to create a business around open source, but is more likely to succeed at precisely the same endeavour, if they move to the Valley. It is the environment that counts, not the person. 2. People outside the Valley are incapable of creating/running that kind of business, because they don't know how to do it right. Moving to the Valley might increase their chances, since they will have better access to people who can teach or inspire them. 3. People who are already in the Valley are inherently superior, and us little people in India are wasting our time trying to emulate them. These are three possible hypotheses. What are yours? -Taj. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software
Hey, great argument, but I have some riders. Atleast, finally, I think we are on the same page. First of all, let us get one thing out of the way. Success in software/hardware, no matter where you are, entirely depends on on how passionate you are about it. We can't quantify a person's passion for some thing. Apple's success, is Steve Job's passion for whatever he was creating. Having got that out of the way, let us try to answer some of your questions. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:46 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > > > 1. A person in India will fail at trying to create a business around open > source, but is more likely to succeed at precisely the same endeavour, if > they move to the Valley. It is the environment that counts, not the person. > Right! The environment counts a lot. Not the person. If you are based in India, you are already starting to bat with 3 wickets down viz a viz San Francisco, (If I can humbly give a cricket anology). > > 2. People outside the Valley are incapable of creating/running that kind of > business, because they don't know how to do it right. Moving to the Valley > might increase their chances, since they will have better access to people > who can teach or inspire them. > Wrong and Right!. People outside the valley are definitely capable of creating/running business, but they have a great disadvantage. Their competitors based in the valley, have a competitive edge/eco system,that the poor great guys outside the valley can't match. > > 3. People who are already in the Valley are inherently superior, and us > little people in India are wasting our time trying to emulate them. > Ha ha!!! well well!!, I can't answer this question! But let me tell you a fact I know. Sunder Pichai, and Vic Gondotra are Great Indians who work in the Valley for Google. > > These are three possible hypotheses. What are yours? Forget about your three possible hypothesis . I hope I have answered your questions above! > > -- http://about.me/santosh.rajan “The *young man* knows the rules but the *old man* knows the exceptions”. *Oliver Wendell Holmes* ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software
On 17-May-11, at 5:35 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: [snip] First of all, let us get one thing out of the way. Success in software/hardware, no matter where you are, entirely depends on on how passionate you are about it. We can't quantify a person's passion for some thing. Apple's success, is Steve Job's passion for whatever he was creating. Fair enough. Having got that out of the way, let us try to answer some of your questions. They weren't really questions. You've outlined a correlation and now I am asking you to provide the causation. Right! The environment counts a lot. Not the person. If you are based in India, you are already starting to bat with 3 wickets down viz a viz San Francisco, (If I can humbly give a cricket anology). This is true no matter what sort of technology business you start. What is different about business models that are FOSS-driven? Wrong and Right!. People outside the valley are definitely capable of creating/running business, but they have a great disadvantage. Their competitors based in the valley, have a competitive edge/eco system,that the poor great guys outside the valley can't match. I agree. So what is the solution, other than moving to the Valley? Forget about your three possible hypothesis . I hope I have answered your questions above! I think you've misunderstood. I'm still not clear on the following: 1. We've established that tech startups are at a disadvantage when based outside SV. Why is this so? Specifically, what is different about FOSS-model startups? 2. Given that we are not all moving to California, what are our options? I assume you are recommending against a FOSS-model startup. What sort of business models do you recommend instead? Why? 3. At least one person on this thread has pointed out that his Indian company is making a profit while working on FOSS. I know of a few others. Do you not recommend that others attempt to follow their example? Why? -Taj. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software
great! so let us assume for arguments sake, that whatever you say or pose is right! What answers do you have have for the questions posed below? 1. We've established that tech startups are at a disadvantage when based > outside SV. Why is this so? Specifically, what is different about FOSS-model > startups? > > 2. Given that we are not all moving to California, what are our options? I > assume you are recommending against a FOSS-model startup. What sort of > business models do you recommend instead? Why? > > 3. At least one person on this thread has pointed out that his Indian > company is making a profit while working on FOSS. I know of a few others. Do > you not recommend that others attempt to follow their example? Why? > > > -- http://about.me/santosh.rajan “The *young man* knows the rules but the *old man* knows the exceptions”. *Oliver Wendell Holmes* ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software
On 17-May-11, at 8:12 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: great! so let us assume for arguments sake, that whatever you say or pose is right! What answers do you have have for the questions posed below? Huh? You started this thread, with the intention of modifying the behaviour of "young immature idiots" and "intellectual ignoranti". You've got us listening. State your case. What should we be doing instead? -Taj. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software
You still haven't seen the case I am making? In which case I shall admit defeat and rest my case! On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:23 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > > On 17-May-11, at 8:12 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > > great! so let us assume for arguments sake, that whatever you say or pose >> is >> right! What answers do you have have for the questions posed below? >> > > Huh? You started this thread, with the intention of modifying the behaviour > of "young immature idiots" and "intellectual ignoranti". You've got us > listening. State your case. What should we be doing instead? > > > -Taj. > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- http://about.me/santosh.rajan “The *young man* knows the rules but the *old man* knows the exceptions”. *Oliver Wendell Holmes* ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software
On 17-May-11, at 8:32 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: You still haven't seen the case I am making? In which case I shall admit defeat and rest my case! Same. And I apologize to all for my part in this trainwreck. -Taj. ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software
As Sartaj Singh Kang, correctly pointed out, there are big bad trainwrecks in this world. I think this whole thread must be a cumpulsory reading for all students of computer science, all over the world. Attleast they need to now there are big bad trainwrecks still alive in this world. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Sirtaj Singh Kang wrote: > > On 17-May-11, at 8:32 PM, Santosh Rajan wrote: > > You still haven't seen the case I am making? In which case I shall admit >> defeat and rest my case! >> > > Same. And I apologize to all for my part in this trainwreck. > > > -Taj. > ___ > BangPypers mailing list > BangPypers@python.org > http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers > -- http://about.me/santosh.rajan “The *young man* knows the rules but the *old man* knows the exceptions”. *Oliver Wendell Holmes* ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software
On Tue, 2011-05-17 at 17:35 +0530, Santosh Rajan wrote: > Hey, great argument, but I have some riders. Atleast, finally, I think > we > are on the same page. did you not notice that he was pulling your leg? -- regards Kenneth Gonsalves http://lawgon.livejournal.com/ ___ BangPypers mailing list BangPypers@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/bangpypers
