Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

2024-10-28 Thread Ken Hohhof 
OK, I know nothing about virtualization.  But if you’re a Linux shop, 
apparently there’s an open source VM environment called Incus.  I virtually 
(pun intended) never hear of it, so I assume it isn’t that popular.

 

I only know about it because I used to have Sun Cobalt server appliances and 
those led to Blue Quartz and then Blue Onyx, and Aventurine which is apparently 
a VM platform.

www.solarspeed.net  

 

Not suggesting this is a solution for you, just some weird history for anybody 
else who remembers Sun Cobalt and the RaQ appliances.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Forrest Christian (List Account)
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 9:24 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

 

Proxmox.

 

I won't spew my hate toward Broadcom because most of them don't have anything 
to do with vm servers.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

2024-10-28 Thread Forrest Christian (List Account) 
Proxmox.

I won't spew my hate toward Broadcom because most of them don't have
anything to do with vm servers.

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Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

2024-10-28 Thread Chuck 
I presume we did.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 27, 2024, at 7:58 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
> Did you save your keys somewhere?
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie

2024-10-28 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Is there anything that didn’t originate at Xerox PARC?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_NoteTaker

 

It seems like they came up with the ideas that made other people rich.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 11:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT movie

 

I remember the story, but not the details beyond the clean room development.

 

Curiously, I worked for Compaq for a time after they purchased the company I 
worked for at the time (Tandem (NOT Tandy, But Tandem; the people who made the 
original NonStop computer systems). There was quite the culture class between 
Tandem and Compaq; there were many terms and phrases that both companies used 
that meant completely different things.




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On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 8:39 AM mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > 
wrote:

That reminds me, I watched a Netflix documentary last night about Compaq.  
Basically the story behind Halt and Catch Fire.  Well worth seeing.  Silicon 
Cowboys I think.  

 

I was trying to explain to my wife about the team that saw the bios source code 
and how they could not pollute the other guys working on software to keep a 
clean separation of copy infringment potentiality.  Does anyone remember the 
court case where one team was segregated and saw the IP and wrote a spec that 
another team used to create new software.  Seems to me it was Lotus v Twin, but 
it could have been Phoenix Bios v IBM.  I really think it was BIOS related.  

 

BIOS was so easy to copy back in the day.  

 

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 8:37 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

 

Broadcom has a strange history.  I remember in the late 1990s attending ANSI 
standards meetings with “the 2 Henrys” who founded Broadcom.  Back then, they 
were just regular guys, not billionaires.

 

My recollection is one of them, I think Henry Nicholas, was at PairGain and 
developed an in-house fabless semiconductor design organization with innovative 
tools that could basically compile a modem chip from a list of specs.  Today we 
would probably call it AI.  He wanted PairGain to go into the chip design 
business and sell services to other customers but they didn’t want to do that, 
so he and his mentor from UCLA formed their own company.

 

Looks like the company is owned by a bunch of private equity companies today.  
All they see is dollar signs.  As somebody already pointed out, if they are 
screwing over their giant customers, the little guys have no chance.

 

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Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 7:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

 

I've seen most people run over to Proxmox.

 

AT&T just got a temporary restraining order out of the court to keep Broadcom 
from screwing them short term.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie

2024-10-28 Thread Bill Prince 
Xerox PARC was good at everything except making money.

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On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 10:06 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Is there anything that didn’t originate at Xerox PARC?
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_NoteTaker
>
>
>
> It seems like they came up with the ideas that made other people rich.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2024 11:38 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT movie
>
>
>
> I remember the story, but not the details beyond the clean room
> development.
>
>
>
> Curiously, I worked for Compaq for a time after they purchased the company
> I worked for at the time (Tandem (*NOT Tandy*, But Tandem; the people who
> made the original NonStop computer systems). There was quite the culture
> class between Tandem and Compaq; there were many terms and phrases that
> both companies used that meant completely different things.
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 8:39 AM  wrote:
>
> That reminds me, I watched a Netflix documentary last night about Compaq.
> Basically the story behind Halt and Catch Fire.  Well worth seeing.
> Silicon Cowboys I think.
>
>
>
> I was trying to explain to my wife about the team that saw the bios source
> code and how they could not pollute the other guys working on software to
> keep a clean separation of copy infringment potentiality.  Does anyone
> remember the court case where one team was segregated and saw the IP and
> wrote a spec that another team used to create new software.  Seems to me it
> was Lotus v Twin, but it could have been Phoenix Bios v IBM.  I really
> think it was BIOS related.
>
>
>
> BIOS was so easy to copy back in the day.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
>
> *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2024 8:37 AM
>
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VM ware
>
>
>
> Broadcom has a strange history.  I remember in the late 1990s attending
> ANSI standards meetings with “the 2 Henrys” who founded Broadcom.  Back
> then, they were just regular guys, not billionaires.
>
>
>
> My recollection is one of them, I think Henry Nicholas, was at PairGain
> and developed an in-house fabless semiconductor design organization with
> innovative tools that could basically compile a modem chip from a list of
> specs.  Today we would probably call it AI.  He wanted PairGain to go into
> the chip design business and sell services to other customers but they
> didn’t want to do that, so he and his mentor from UCLA formed their own
> company.
>
>
>
> Looks like the company is owned by a bunch of private equity companies
> today.  All they see is dollar signs.  As somebody already pointed out, if
> they are screwing over their giant customers, the little guys have no
> chance.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2024 7:35 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VM ware
>
>
>
> I've seen most people run over to Proxmox.
>
>
>
> AT&T just got a temporary restraining order out of the court to keep
> Broadcom from screwing them short term.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:30 PM Chuck  wrote:
>
>
> Broadcom does not recognize our  perpetual license.  Anyone have a
> solution?  Proxmox. Xen.  Really like to not have to do this.
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Re: [AFMUG] nerds and tact filters

2024-10-28 Thread dmmoffett 
That's pretty insightful.  A psychologist today would probably frame in the
autism spectrum, and the two camps would be called "neurotypical" and
"neurodivergent", but otherwise it would be pretty much the same advice.
The tact filter is probably more intuitive, and it doesn't give the
impression that there's something wrong with the nerds.  

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2024 1:55 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] nerds and tact filters

 

I came across this, might explain a lot.

https://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html

 

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Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

2024-10-28 Thread Josh Luthman 
I've seen most people run over to Proxmox.

AT&T just got a temporary restraining order out of the court to keep
Broadcom from screwing them short term.

On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:30 PM Chuck  wrote:

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[AFMUG] OT movie

2024-10-28 Thread chuck 
That reminds me, I watched a Netflix documentary last night about Compaq.  
Basically the story behind Halt and Catch Fire.  Well worth seeing.  Silicon 
Cowboys I think.  

I was trying to explain to my wife about the team that saw the bios source code 
and how they could not pollute the other guys working on software to keep a 
clean separation of copy infringment potentiality.  Does anyone remember the 
court case where one team was segregated and saw the IP and wrote a spec that 
another team used to create new software.  Seems to me it was Lotus v Twin, but 
it could have been Phoenix Bios v IBM.  I really think it was BIOS related.  

BIOS was so easy to copy back in the day.  


From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 8:37 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

Broadcom has a strange history.  I remember in the late 1990s attending ANSI 
standards meetings with “the 2 Henrys” who founded Broadcom.  Back then, they 
were just regular guys, not billionaires.

 

My recollection is one of them, I think Henry Nicholas, was at PairGain and 
developed an in-house fabless semiconductor design organization with innovative 
tools that could basically compile a modem chip from a list of specs.  Today we 
would probably call it AI.  He wanted PairGain to go into the chip design 
business and sell services to other customers but they didn’t want to do that, 
so he and his mentor from UCLA formed their own company.

 

Looks like the company is owned by a bunch of private equity companies today.  
All they see is dollar signs.  As somebody already pointed out, if they are 
screwing over their giant customers, the little guys have no chance.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 7:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

 

I've seen most people run over to Proxmox.

 

AT&T just got a temporary restraining order out of the court to keep Broadcom 
from screwing them short term.

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:30 PM Chuck  wrote:


  Broadcom does not recognize our  perpetual license.  Anyone have a solution?  
Proxmox. Xen.  Really like to not have to do this.

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Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

2024-10-28 Thread Robert 
When you have to sue your provider, get some time to move on.  Broadcom 
is going to kill the goose..


On 10/28/24 5:34 AM, Josh Luthman wrote:

I've seen most people run over to Proxmox.

AT&T just got a temporary restraining order out of the court to keep 
Broadcom from screwing them short term.


On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:30 PM Chuck  wrote:


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Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

2024-10-28 Thread Matt Hopkins 
XCP-NG + XenOrchestra has been running great in production for many years
now.

On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 7:38 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Broadcom has a strange history.  I remember in the late 1990s attending
> ANSI standards meetings with “the 2 Henrys” who founded Broadcom.  Back
> then, they were just regular guys, not billionaires.
>
>
>
> My recollection is one of them, I think Henry Nicholas, was at PairGain
> and developed an in-house fabless semiconductor design organization with
> innovative tools that could basically compile a modem chip from a list of
> specs.  Today we would probably call it AI.  He wanted PairGain to go into
> the chip design business and sell services to other customers but they
> didn’t want to do that, so he and his mentor from UCLA formed their own
> company.
>
>
>
> Looks like the company is owned by a bunch of private equity companies
> today.  All they see is dollar signs.  As somebody already pointed out, if
> they are screwing over their giant customers, the little guys have no
> chance.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2024 7:35 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VM ware
>
>
>
> I've seen most people run over to Proxmox.
>
>
>
> AT&T just got a temporary restraining order out of the court to keep
> Broadcom from screwing them short term.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:30 PM Chuck  wrote:
>
>
> Broadcom does not recognize our  perpetual license.  Anyone have a
> solution?  Proxmox. Xen.  Really like to not have to do this.
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Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

2024-10-28 Thread Bill Prince 
VMware has been through some stuff. From where I sit, they have excelled at
making products that all sound alike, and that not many people can explain
the differences. They have also been acquired quite a few times. They have
always been expensive; especially considering that most of their portfolio
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On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 7:39 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Broadcom has a strange history.  I remember in the late 1990s attending
> ANSI standards meetings with “the 2 Henrys” who founded Broadcom.  Back
> then, they were just regular guys, not billionaires.
>
>
>
> My recollection is one of them, I think Henry Nicholas, was at PairGain
> and developed an in-house fabless semiconductor design organization with
> innovative tools that could basically compile a modem chip from a list of
> specs.  Today we would probably call it AI.  He wanted PairGain to go into
> the chip design business and sell services to other customers but they
> didn’t want to do that, so he and his mentor from UCLA formed their own
> company.
>
>
>
> Looks like the company is owned by a bunch of private equity companies
> today.  All they see is dollar signs.  As somebody already pointed out, if
> they are screwing over their giant customers, the little guys have no
> chance.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2024 7:35 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VM ware
>
>
>
> I've seen most people run over to Proxmox.
>
>
>
> AT&T just got a temporary restraining order out of the court to keep
> Broadcom from screwing them short term.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:30 PM Chuck  wrote:
>
>
> Broadcom does not recognize our  perpetual license.  Anyone have a
> solution?  Proxmox. Xen.  Really like to not have to do this.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie

2024-10-28 Thread chuck 
I wonder if it is OK to copy BIOS for your own personal use (I ask 30 years 
after relevancy...)



From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 10:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT movie

I remember the story, but not the details beyond the clean room development. 

Curiously, I worked for Compaq for a time after they purchased the company I 
worked for at the time (Tandem (NOT Tandy, But Tandem; the people who made the 
original NonStop computer systems). There was quite the culture class between 
Tandem and Compaq; there were many terms and phrases that both companies used 
that meant completely different things.

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On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 8:39 AM  wrote:

  That reminds me, I watched a Netflix documentary last night about Compaq.  
Basically the story behind Halt and Catch Fire.  Well worth seeing.  Silicon 
Cowboys I think.  

  I was trying to explain to my wife about the team that saw the bios source 
code and how they could not pollute the other guys working on software to keep 
a clean separation of copy infringment potentiality.  Does anyone remember the 
court case where one team was segregated and saw the IP and wrote a spec that 
another team used to create new software.  Seems to me it was Lotus v Twin, but 
it could have been Phoenix Bios v IBM.  I really think it was BIOS related.  

  BIOS was so easy to copy back in the day.  


  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 8:37 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

  Broadcom has a strange history.  I remember in the late 1990s attending ANSI 
standards meetings with “the 2 Henrys” who founded Broadcom.  Back then, they 
were just regular guys, not billionaires.



  My recollection is one of them, I think Henry Nicholas, was at PairGain and 
developed an in-house fabless semiconductor design organization with innovative 
tools that could basically compile a modem chip from a list of specs.  Today we 
would probably call it AI.  He wanted PairGain to go into the chip design 
business and sell services to other customers but they didn’t want to do that, 
so he and his mentor from UCLA formed their own company.



  Looks like the company is owned by a bunch of private equity companies today. 
 All they see is dollar signs.  As somebody already pointed out, if they are 
screwing over their giant customers, the little guys have no chance.



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
  Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 7:35 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VM ware



  I've seen most people run over to Proxmox.



  AT&T just got a temporary restraining order out of the court to keep Broadcom 
from screwing them short term.



  On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:30 PM Chuck  wrote:


Broadcom does not recognize our  perpetual license.  Anyone have a 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie

2024-10-28 Thread Bill Prince 
I remember the story, but not the details beyond the clean room development.

Curiously, I worked for Compaq for a time after they purchased the company
I worked for at the time (Tandem (*NOT Tandy*, But Tandem; the people who
made the original NonStop computer systems). There was quite the culture
class between Tandem and Compaq; there were many terms and phrases that
both companies used that meant completely different things.

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On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 8:39 AM  wrote:

> That reminds me, I watched a Netflix documentary last night about Compaq.
> Basically the story behind Halt and Catch Fire.  Well worth seeing.
> Silicon Cowboys I think.
>
> I was trying to explain to my wife about the team that saw the bios source
> code and how they could not pollute the other guys working on software to
> keep a clean separation of copy infringment potentiality.  Does anyone
> remember the court case where one team was segregated and saw the IP and
> wrote a spec that another team used to create new software.  Seems to me it
> was Lotus v Twin, but it could have been Phoenix Bios v IBM.  I really
> think it was BIOS related.
>
> BIOS was so easy to copy back in the day.
>
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2024 8:37 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VM ware
>
>
> Broadcom has a strange history.  I remember in the late 1990s attending
> ANSI standards meetings with “the 2 Henrys” who founded Broadcom.  Back
> then, they were just regular guys, not billionaires.
>
>
>
> My recollection is one of them, I think Henry Nicholas, was at PairGain
> and developed an in-house fabless semiconductor design organization with
> innovative tools that could basically compile a modem chip from a list of
> specs.  Today we would probably call it AI.  He wanted PairGain to go into
> the chip design business and sell services to other customers but they
> didn’t want to do that, so he and his mentor from UCLA formed their own
> company.
>
>
>
> Looks like the company is owned by a bunch of private equity companies
> today.  All they see is dollar signs.  As somebody already pointed out, if
> they are screwing over their giant customers, the little guys have no
> chance.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2024 7:35 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] VM ware
>
>
>
> I've seen most people run over to Proxmox.
>
>
>
> AT&T just got a temporary restraining order out of the court to keep
> Broadcom from screwing them short term.
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:30 PM Chuck  wrote:
>
>
> Broadcom does not recognize our  perpetual license.  Anyone have a
> solution?  Proxmox. Xen.  Really like to not have to do this.
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Re: [AFMUG] nerds and tact filters

2024-10-28 Thread Steve Jones 
Im just out here tryina be a dick, and this guys saying just cause im also
a nerd its not my fault.
f that guy

On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 12:53 PM  wrote:

> That’s pretty insightful.  A psychologist today would probably frame in
> the autism spectrum, and the two camps would be called “neurotypical” and
> “neurodivergent”, but otherwise it would be pretty much the same advice.
> The tact filter is probably more intuitive, and it doesn’t give the
> impression that there’s something wrong with the nerds.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 27, 2024 1:55 PM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] nerds and tact filters
>
>
>
> I came across this, might explain a lot.
>
> https://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html
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Re: [AFMUG] OT movie

2024-10-28 Thread dmmoffett 
I’m positive I heard about that reverse engineering method in relation to 
Compaq’s BIOS.  They had to be sure to duplicate everything the IBM BIOS did so 
they could guarantee 100% compatibility, but could not risk even the appearance 
of copying source code.  If anything ended up the same it would only be because 
form follows function.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@go-mtc.com
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 11:37 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT movie

 

That reminds me, I watched a Netflix documentary last night about Compaq.  
Basically the story behind Halt and Catch Fire.  Well worth seeing.  Silicon 
Cowboys I think.  

 

I was trying to explain to my wife about the team that saw the bios source code 
and how they could not pollute the other guys working on software to keep a 
clean separation of copy infringment potentiality.  Does anyone remember the 
court case where one team was segregated and saw the IP and wrote a spec that 
another team used to create new software.  Seems to me it was Lotus v Twin, but 
it could have been Phoenix Bios v IBM.  I really think it was BIOS related.  

 

BIOS was so easy to copy back in the day.  

 

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 8:37 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

 

Broadcom has a strange history.  I remember in the late 1990s attending ANSI 
standards meetings with “the 2 Henrys” who founded Broadcom.  Back then, they 
were just regular guys, not billionaires.

 

My recollection is one of them, I think Henry Nicholas, was at PairGain and 
developed an in-house fabless semiconductor design organization with innovative 
tools that could basically compile a modem chip from a list of specs.  Today we 
would probably call it AI.  He wanted PairGain to go into the chip design 
business and sell services to other customers but they didn’t want to do that, 
so he and his mentor from UCLA formed their own company.

 

Looks like the company is owned by a bunch of private equity companies today.  
All they see is dollar signs.  As somebody already pointed out, if they are 
screwing over their giant customers, the little guys have no chance.

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 7:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

 

I've seen most people run over to Proxmox.

 

AT&T just got a temporary restraining order out of the court to keep Broadcom 
from screwing them short term.

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:30 PM Chuck mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > wrote:


Broadcom does not recognize our  perpetual license.  Anyone have a solution?  
Proxmox. Xen.  Really like to not have to do this.

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Re: [AFMUG] nerds and tact filters

2024-10-28 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Post inbound tact filter:   “Steve needs a hug”.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 12:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] nerds and tact filters

 

Im just out here tryina be a dick, and this guys saying just cause im also a 
nerd its not my fault.

f that guy

 

On Mon, Oct 28, 2024 at 12:53 PM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

That’s pretty insightful.  A psychologist today would probably frame in the 
autism spectrum, and the two camps would be called “neurotypical” and 
“neurodivergent”, but otherwise it would be pretty much the same advice.  The 
tact filter is probably more intuitive, and it doesn’t give the impression that 
there’s something wrong with the nerds.  

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2024 1:55 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] nerds and tact filters

 

I came across this, might explain a lot.

https://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html

 

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Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

2024-10-28 Thread Dennis Burgess - LTI Support via AF 
We migrated to Hyper-V, not doing anything with Broadcom..  Just a big money 
grab.. 

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2024 8:29 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VM ware


Broadcom does not recognize our  perpetual license.  Anyone have a solution?  
Proxmox. Xen.  Really like to not have to do this.

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Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

2024-10-28 Thread Ken Hohhof 
Broadcom has a strange history.  I remember in the late 1990s attending ANSI 
standards meetings with “the 2 Henrys” who founded Broadcom.  Back then, they 
were just regular guys, not billionaires.

 

My recollection is one of them, I think Henry Nicholas, was at PairGain and 
developed an in-house fabless semiconductor design organization with innovative 
tools that could basically compile a modem chip from a list of specs.  Today we 
would probably call it AI.  He wanted PairGain to go into the chip design 
business and sell services to other customers but they didn’t want to do that, 
so he and his mentor from UCLA formed their own company.

 

Looks like the company is owned by a bunch of private equity companies today.  
All they see is dollar signs.  As somebody already pointed out, if they are 
screwing over their giant customers, the little guys have no chance.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Monday, October 28, 2024 7:35 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

 

I've seen most people run over to Proxmox.

 

AT&T just got a temporary restraining order out of the court to keep Broadcom 
from screwing them short term.

 

On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:30 PM Chuck mailto:ch...@go-mtc.com> > wrote:


Broadcom does not recognize our  perpetual license.  Anyone have a solution?  
Proxmox. Xen.  Really like to not have to do this.

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Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

2024-10-28 Thread Trey Scarborough 
The perpetual licenses were aged out by versioning them out of support. 
So most likely your perpetual licenses are for unsupported versions. You 
can still run it if you have the keys and can get a install iso.


I would recommend moving it over to Proxmox if your server is still 
running there is a nice import utility to move them over.


On 10/27/24 8:29 PM, Chuck wrote:

Broadcom does not recognize our  perpetual license.  Anyone have a solution?  
Proxmox. Xen.  Really like to not have to do this.



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