Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

2024-10-27 Thread Colin Stanners
It's been heavily in the tech news this last few months - Broadcom are
quite eager to have you buy a subscription service for 500-1000% of the
original pricing. They need someone to help them pay off the huge cost of
the acquisition...

The big companies will likely grin and bear it (except for AT&T), the small
ones are mostly doing the effort to transition to those and other open
source VM systems.


On Sun, Oct 27, 2024, 8:30 p.m. Chuck  wrote:

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> Broadcom does not recognize our  perpetual license.  Anyone have a
> solution?  Proxmox. Xen.  Really like to not have to do this.
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Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

2024-10-27 Thread Ken Hohhof
Did you save your keys somewhere?

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Subject: [AFMUG] VM ware


Broadcom does not recognize our  perpetual license.  Anyone have a solution?
Proxmox. Xen.  Really like to not have to do this.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v

2024-10-27 Thread Chuck
I almost always work them bare handed and hot.  Try to keep one hand out of the circuit.  120 doesn’t bother me too much.  I don’t even start feeling it until 80 it 90 volts.  Have demoed that with a variac.  It the 277 jolt was felt in my pecs.  I did get 600 VDC solar circuit across a hand once, not too bad.  Spark plug wires hurt like a MF.  RF burns pretty bad too.  Got nailed by conducted 2.4 gHZ 2000 W circuit.  That was like picking up a piece of white hot metal.  Last but not least, bypassed interlocks on a microwave oven.  Briefly stuck my hand in to see what it feels like.  Feels like running like quickly runnng your hand ✋ ver campfire flames.Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 27, 2024, at 9:45 AM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:Supposedly there's a one hand behind your back or in your pocket rule to prevent what happened to Chuck. Doesn't seem practical to me. Original Message From: "Bill Prince" Sent: 10/27/2024 10:32:43 AMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480vYeah. Should have clarified that. Not all new circuits. It's an older home with outdated wiring. So I think there were a couple new circuits, but there was plenty of other type of work. The friend was pointing out that the guy was working with live wires in several places.--bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}comOn Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 7:57?AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:If they were totally new circuits and the last connection was at the breaker panel, that might not be as remarkable as it sounds. Original Message From: "Bill Prince" Sent: 10/27/2024 9:45:45 AMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480vI have a friend who hired an electrician to do a couple of new circuits in his home. According to my friend, the guy did all the wiring bare-handed and without turning anything off.When I do that kind of thing, I at least wear some gloves. Zipping and zapping is not my favorite thing.--bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}comOn Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 10:13?PM Robert  wrote:glad you are still around

On 10/26/24 9:53 PM, Chuck wrote:
> 480 is 277 single phase to ground.  I got it from one hand to the other the other day.  Both arms, across the chest First time getting shocked from a 480 circuit.  Very invigorating.  Would not recommend.  Really makes you feel alive.  I don’t think I need to experience phase to phase.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v

2024-10-27 Thread Bill Prince
I wear rubber-soled shoes, and gloves, and as long as I keep the hot wire
away from other stuff, it seems to work well for me. My wife thinks I'm
crazy, but If I'm on a threat level of 7, I put Chick on a threat level of
9.

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On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 8:45 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Supposedly there's a one hand behind your back or in your pocket rule to
> prevent what happened to Chuck. Doesn't seem practical to me.
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Bill Prince"
> Sent: 10/27/2024 10:32:43 AM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v
>
> Yeah. Should have clarified that. Not all new circuits. It's an older home
> with outdated wiring. So I think there were a couple new circuits, but
> there was plenty of other type of work. The friend was pointing out that
> the guy was working with live wires in several places.
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> On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 7:57?AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
>> If they were totally new circuits and the last connection was at the
>> breaker panel, that might not be as remarkable as it sounds.
>>
>>  Original Message 
>> From: "Bill Prince"
>> Sent: 10/27/2024 9:45:45 AM
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v
>>
>> I have a friend who hired an electrician to do a couple of new circuits
>> in his home. According to my friend, the guy did all the wiring bare-handed
>> and without turning anything off.
>>
>> When I do that kind of thing, I at least wear some gloves. Zipping and
>> zapping is not my favorite thing.
>>
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>>
>> On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 10:13?PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>>> glad you are still around
>>>
>>> On 10/26/24 9:53 PM, Chuck wrote:
>>> > 480 is 277 single phase to ground.  I got it from one hand to the
>>> other the other day.  Both arms, across the chest First time getting
>>> shocked from a 480 circuit.  Very invigorating.  Would not recommend.
>>> Really makes you feel alive.  I don’t think I need to experience phase to
>>> phase.
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v

2024-10-27 Thread Ken Hohhof
Wait, are you referring to wife as Chick?  Or did you mean Chuck?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2024 11:24 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v

 

I wear rubber-soled shoes, and gloves, and as long as I keep the hot wire away 
from other stuff, it seems to work well for me. My wife thinks I'm crazy, but 
If I'm on a threat level of 7, I put Chick on a threat level of 9.




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On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 8:45 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

Supposedly there's a one hand behind your back or in your pocket rule to 
prevent what happened to Chuck. Doesn't seem practical to me.

 Original Message 
From: "Bill Prince" 
Sent: 10/27/2024 10:32:43 AM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v

Yeah. Should have clarified that. Not all new circuits. It's an older home with 
outdated wiring. So I think there were a couple new circuits, but there was 
plenty of other type of work. The friend was pointing out that the guy was 
working with live wires in several places.


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On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 7:57?AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

If they were totally new circuits and the last connection was at the breaker 
panel, that might not be as remarkable as it sounds.

 Original Message 
From: "Bill Prince" 
Sent: 10/27/2024 9:45:45 AM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v

I have a friend who hired an electrician to do a couple of new circuits in his 
home. According to my friend, the guy did all the wiring bare-handed and 
without turning anything off.

 

When I do that kind of thing, I at least wear some gloves. Zipping and zapping 
is not my favorite thing.




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On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 10:13?PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

glad you are still around

On 10/26/24 9:53 PM, Chuck wrote:
> 480 is 277 single phase to ground.  I got it from one hand to the other the 
> other day.  Both arms, across the chest First time getting shocked from a 480 
> circuit.  Very invigorating.  Would not recommend.  Really makes you feel 
> alive.  I don’t think I need to experience phase to phase.
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v

2024-10-27 Thread Bill Prince
HAHAHA.

Keyboard malfunction. I typed u, but the keyboard knew better.

I almost got zinged once by the aquadag on a big CRT. I didn't get it, but
there was an impressive spark.


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On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:42 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Wait, are you referring to wife as Chick?  Or did you mean Chuck?
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, October 27, 2024 11:24 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v
>
>
>
> I wear rubber-soled shoes, and gloves, and as long as I keep the hot wire
> away from other stuff, it seems to work well for me. My wife thinks I'm
> crazy, but If I'm on a threat level of 7, I put Chick on a threat level of
> 9.
>
>
> --
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> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 8:45 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> Supposedly there's a one hand behind your back or in your pocket rule to
> prevent what happened to Chuck. Doesn't seem practical to me.
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Bill Prince"
> Sent: 10/27/2024 10:32:43 AM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v
>
> Yeah. Should have clarified that. Not all new circuits. It's an older home
> with outdated wiring. So I think there were a couple new circuits, but
> there was plenty of other type of work. The friend was pointing out that
> the guy was working with live wires in several places.
>
> --
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> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 7:57?AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>
> If they were totally new circuits and the last connection was at the
> breaker panel, that might not be as remarkable as it sounds.
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Bill Prince"
> Sent: 10/27/2024 9:45:45 AM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v
>
> I have a friend who hired an electrician to do a couple of new circuits in
> his home. According to my friend, the guy did all the wiring bare-handed
> and without turning anything off.
>
>
>
> When I do that kind of thing, I at least wear some gloves. Zipping and
> zapping is not my favorite thing.
>
>
> --
>
> bp
>
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 10:13?PM Robert  wrote:
>
> glad you are still around
>
> On 10/26/24 9:53 PM, Chuck wrote:
> > 480 is 277 single phase to ground.  I got it from one hand to the other
> the other day.  Both arms, across the chest First time getting shocked from
> a 480 circuit.  Very invigorating.  Would not recommend.  Really makes you
> feel alive.  I don’t think I need to experience phase to phase.
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v

2024-10-27 Thread Ken Hohhof
Back in 1976, I worked for Warwick Electronics which made private label TVs for 
Sears and Kmart.  I was scared of the 25kV second anode voltage on the CRTs, 
not only did the picture tube itself hold a charge after you powered down the 
chassis, but they used capacitor/diode voltage multipliers which also held a 
charge.  It was standard practice to discharge the CRT with a clip lead and 
screwdriver.  Safe but still scary.  We also used an electrostatic voltmeter to 
measure the anode voltage and that was a giant capacitor that could hold a 
charge for hours.

 

But one of the HV design engineers electrocuted himself.  Ironically not at 
work, but at home on his ham radio rig.  Supposedly the plate voltage on the 
output tube got shorted to the Morse code key.  Something like 1000+ VDC.  Wife 
immediately called 911 but they couldn’t restart his heart.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2024 11:11 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v

 

I almost always work them bare handed and hot.  Try to keep one hand out of the 
circuit.  120 doesn’t bother me too much.  I don’t even start feeling it until 
80 it 90 volts.  Have demoed that with a variac.  It the 277 jolt was felt in 
my pecs.  I did get 600 VDC solar circuit across a hand once, not too bad.  
Spark plug wires hurt like a MF.  RF burns pretty bad too.  Got nailed by 
conducted 2.4 gHZ 2000 W circuit.  That was like picking up a piece of white 
hot metal.  Last but not least, bypassed interlocks on a microwave oven.  
Briefly stuck my hand in to see what it feels like.  Feels like running like 
quickly runnng your hand ✋ ver campfire flames.

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 27, 2024, at 9:45 AM, Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

Supposedly there's a one hand behind your back or in your pocket rule to 
prevent what happened to Chuck. Doesn't seem practical to me.

 Original Message 
From: "Bill Prince" 
Sent: 10/27/2024 10:32:43 AM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v

Yeah. Should have clarified that. Not all new circuits. It's an older home with 
outdated wiring. So I think there were a couple new circuits, but there was 
plenty of other type of work. The friend was pointing out that the guy was 
working with live wires in several places.


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On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 7:57?AM Ken Hohhof mailto:khoh...@kwom.com> > wrote:

If they were totally new circuits and the last connection was at the breaker 
panel, that might not be as remarkable as it sounds.

 Original Message 
From: "Bill Prince" 
Sent: 10/27/2024 9:45:45 AM
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v

I have a friend who hired an electrician to do a couple of new circuits in his 
home. According to my friend, the guy did all the wiring bare-handed and 
without turning anything off.

 

When I do that kind of thing, I at least wear some gloves. Zipping and zapping 
is not my favorite thing.




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On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 10:13?PM Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

glad you are still around

On 10/26/24 9:53 PM, Chuck wrote:
> 480 is 277 single phase to ground.  I got it from one hand to the other the 
> other day.  Both arms, across the chest First time getting shocked from a 480 
> circuit.  Very invigorating.  Would not recommend.  Really makes you feel 
> alive.  I don’t think I need to experience phase to phase.
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v

2024-10-27 Thread Chuck
Discharging a CRT the first time is intimidating.  But you get used to the bang.Sent from my iPhoneOn Oct 27, 2024, at 10:51 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:HAHAHA. Keyboard malfunction. I typed u, but the keyboard knew better.I almost got zinged once by the aquadag on a big CRT. I didn't get it, but there was an impressive spark.--bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}comOn Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 9:42 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:Wait, are you referring to wife as Chick?  Or did you mean Chuck? From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill PrinceSent: Sunday, October 27, 2024 11:24 AMTo: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v I wear rubber-soled shoes, and gloves, and as long as I keep the hot wire away from other stuff, it seems to work well for me. My wife thinks I'm crazy, but If I'm on a threat level of 7, I put Chick on a threat level of 9.--bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com  On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 8:45 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:Supposedly there's a one hand behind your back or in your pocket rule to prevent what happened to Chuck. Doesn't seem practical to me. Original Message From: "Bill Prince" Sent: 10/27/2024 10:32:43 AMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480vYeah. Should have clarified that. Not all new circuits. It's an older home with outdated wiring. So I think there were a couple new circuits, but there was plenty of other type of work. The friend was pointing out that the guy was working with live wires in several places.--bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com  On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 7:57?AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:If they were totally new circuits and the last connection was at the breaker panel, that might not be as remarkable as it sounds. Original Message From: "Bill Prince" Sent: 10/27/2024 9:45:45 AMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480vI have a friend who hired an electrician to do a couple of new circuits in his home. According to my friend, the guy did all the wiring bare-handed and without turning anything off. When I do that kind of thing, I at least wear some gloves. Zipping and zapping is not my favorite thing.--bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com  On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 10:13?PM Robert  wrote:glad you are still aroundOn 10/26/24 9:53 PM, Chuck wrote:> 480 is 277 single phase to ground.  I got it from one hand to the other the other day.  Both arms, across the chest First time getting shocked from a 480 circuit.  Very invigorating.  Would not recommend.  Really makes you feel alive.  I don’t think I need to experience phase to phase.> Sent from my iPhone>-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- AF mailing listAF@af.afmug.comhttp://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com-- 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v

2024-10-27 Thread Bill Prince
Yeah. Should have clarified that. Not all new circuits. It's an older home
with outdated wiring. So I think there were a couple new circuits, but
there was plenty of other type of work. The friend was pointing out that
the guy was working with live wires in several places.
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On Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 7:57 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> If they were totally new circuits and the last connection was at the
> breaker panel, that might not be as remarkable as it sounds.
>
>  Original Message 
> From: "Bill Prince"
> Sent: 10/27/2024 9:45:45 AM
> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v
>
> I have a friend who hired an electrician to do a couple of new circuits in
> his home. According to my friend, the guy did all the wiring bare-handed
> and without turning anything off.
>
> When I do that kind of thing, I at least wear some gloves. Zipping and
> zapping is not my favorite thing.
>
> --
> bp
> part15sbs{at}gmail{dot}com
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 10:13?PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> glad you are still around
>>
>> On 10/26/24 9:53 PM, Chuck wrote:
>> > 480 is 277 single phase to ground.  I got it from one hand to the other
>> the other day.  Both arms, across the chest First time getting shocked from
>> a 480 circuit.  Very invigorating.  Would not recommend.  Really makes you
>> feel alive.  I don’t think I need to experience phase to phase.
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v

2024-10-27 Thread Ken Hohhof
Supposedly there's a one hand behind your back or in your pocket rule to 
prevent what happened to Chuck. Doesn't seem practical to me. Original 
Message From: "Bill Prince" Sent: 10/27/2024 10:32:43 AMTo: "AnimalFarm 
Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480vYeah. Should have clarified 
that. Not all new circuits. It's an older home with outdated?wiring. So I think 
there were a couple new circuits, but there was plenty of other type of work. 
The friend was pointing out that the guy was working with live wires in several 
places.--bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}comOn Sun, Oct 27, 2024 at 7:57?AM Ken Hohhof 
 wrote:If they were totally new circuits and the last 
connection was at the breaker panel, that might not be as remarkable as it 
sounds. Original Message From: "Bill Prince" Sent: 10/27/2024 9:45:45 
AMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480vI have a 
friend who hired an electrician to do a couple of new circuits in his home. 
According to my friend, the guy did all the wiring bare-handed and without 
turning anything off.When I do that kind of thing, I at least wear some gloves. 
Zipping and zapping is not my favorite thing.--bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}comOn 
Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 10:13?PM Robert  wrote:glad you 
are still around

On 10/26/24 9:53 PM, Chuck wrote:
> 480 is 277 single phase to ground.? I got it from one hand to the other the 
> other day.? Both arms, across the chest First time getting shocked from a 480 
> circuit.? Very invigorating.? Would not recommend.? Really makes you feel 
> alive.? I don?t think I need to experience phase to phase.
> Sent from my iPhone
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[AFMUG] VM ware

2024-10-27 Thread Chuck


Broadcom does not recognize our  perpetual license.  Anyone have a solution?  
Proxmox. Xen.  Really like to not have to do this.

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Re: [AFMUG] VM ware

2024-10-27 Thread Jim Bouse [Brazos WiFi]
Proxmox.
We have been on it for 8yrs.

Works just fine.

Jim



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 Original message 
From: Chuck 
Date: 10/27/24 8:30 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] VM ware


Broadcom does not recognize our  perpetual license.  Anyone have a solution?  
Proxmox. Xen.  Really like to not have to do this.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v

2024-10-27 Thread Bill Prince
I have a friend who hired an electrician to do a couple of new circuits in
his home. According to my friend, the guy did all the wiring bare-handed
and without turning anything off.

When I do that kind of thing, I at least wear some gloves. Zipping and
zapping is not my favorite thing.

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On Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 10:13 PM Robert  wrote:

> glad you are still around
>
> On 10/26/24 9:53 PM, Chuck wrote:
> > 480 is 277 single phase to ground.  I got it from one hand to the other
> the other day.  Both arms, across the chest First time getting shocked from
> a 480 circuit.  Very invigorating.  Would not recommend.  Really makes you
> feel alive.  I don’t think I need to experience phase to phase.
> > Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [AFMUG] OT 480v

2024-10-27 Thread Ken Hohhof
If they were totally new circuits and the last connection was at the breaker 
panel, that might not be as remarkable as it sounds. Original Message 
From: "Bill Prince" Sent: 10/27/2024 9:45:45 AMTo: "AnimalFarm Microwave 
Users Group" Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT 480vI have a friend who hired an 
electrician to do a couple of new circuits in his home. According to my friend, 
the guy did all the wiring bare-handed and without turning anything off.When I 
do that kind of thing, I at least wear some gloves. Zipping and zapping is not 
my favorite thing.--bppart15sbs{at}gmail{dot}comOn Sat, Oct 26, 2024 at 
10:13?PM Robert  wrote:glad you are still around

On 10/26/24 9:53 PM, Chuck wrote:
> 480 is 277 single phase to ground.? I got it from one hand to the other the 
> other day.? Both arms, across the chest First time getting shocked from a 480 
> circuit.? Very invigorating.? Would not recommend.? Really makes you feel 
> alive.? I don?t think I need to experience phase to phase.
> Sent from my iPhone
>


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[AFMUG] nerds and tact filters

2024-10-27 Thread Ken Hohhof
I came across this, might explain a lot.

https://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html

 

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Re: [AFMUG] nerds and tact filters

2024-10-27 Thread chuck
Stupid normal people.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Sunday, October 27, 2024 11:54 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: [AFMUG] nerds and tact filters

I came across this, might explain a lot.

https://www.mit.edu/~jcb/tact.html

 




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