Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Jan-GAMs]

I had that, up a pole repairing an outage and the f'n renter started 
shooting at me.  Crazy on drugs, how do you spot that on 
background/health tests?  I carry now


On 6/6/22 10:48, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I don’t carry a weapon 
because I don’t want that option.  That option is one of the initial 
starting conditions of a higher order ordinary differential equation.

I prefer a linear equation.
If a firefighter is armored such that they can probably survive a 
gunshot, that would steer their thinking toward rescue over taking out 
the shooter.  Let the cops do that.

*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
True, if they're properly trained and doing their job it would be more 
effective.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert  wrote:

There was also the shooting down in the south, where they had a
school "police" officer who stood back and did nothing.   That's
not necessarily a solution either.

On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Seems like we should just be giving additional funding to police
departments so that they can have a regular presence at schools.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

I may regret posting this but I had a thought.
How about we let the fire department handle active shooters
at schools.
They know how to get there fast.  They are ready to go at an
instants notice.
They know how to breach any building and rescue survivors.
They have heavy protective gear on, just add a layer of kevlar.
Or give them extra/different gear they can don on the way to
the incident.
They sure as hell don’t stand around outside discussing
jurisdiction and strategy.
They care more about rescue than they do about their own lives.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Jan-GAMs]

A robot wouldn't huddle in a fear-group behind a wall.

On 6/6/22 10:50, castarritt wrote:
We've neutered the police so effectively they can't do the job 
anymore.  We need terminator robots.


On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:


I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I don’t carry a
weapon because I don’t want that option.  That option is one of
the initial starting conditions of a higher order ordinary
differential equation.
I prefer a linear equation.
If a firefighter is armored such that they can probably survive a
gunshot, that would steer their thinking toward rescue over taking
out the shooter. Let the cops do that.
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
True, if they're properly trained and doing their job it would be
more effective.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert  wrote:

There was also the shooting down in the south, where they had
a school "police" officer who stood back and did nothing.  
That's not necessarily a solution either.

On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Seems like we should just be giving additional funding to
police departments so that they can have a regular presence
at schools.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

I may regret posting this but I had a thought.
How about we let the fire department handle active
shooters at schools.
They know how to get there fast.  They are ready to go at
an instants notice.
They know how to breach any building and rescue survivors.
They have heavy protective gear on, just add a layer of
kevlar.
Or give them extra/different gear they can don on the way
to the incident.
They sure as hell don’t stand around outside discussing
jurisdiction and strategy.
They care more about rescue than they do about their own
lives.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Jan-GAMs]

After republicans take office the police, firefighters, libraries and 
schools get defunded/reduced, I'm on a local fireboard, experinced it 
happen several times.  Don't complain to me about who's doing the defunding.


On 6/6/22 11:05, Steve Jones wrote:

There has to be a decision made on what we want from police.
You cant demand they shoot white shooters, but gently caress any other 
ethnicity.
You cant demand police be demilitarized at the same time you demand 
they be ready to engage a heavily armed operator at a split second notice
you cant demand police protect schools at all times while 
simultaneously eliminating 50 percent of the school resource officers.
You cant demand the school resource officers be a soft presence while 
you also want them shooting perps in the face.

You cant do any of this at all while also defunding the police.

Military is ready because theyre always ready, police are never ready 
because theyre always in sensitivty classes, or being arrested for 
doing their job because the media said so.


Firefightrs are no more capable of handling these situations than 
police, theyre all people


Theres also insurability. Scene safety if paramount in all Emergency 
services. Firefighters dont run into active petrochemical fires the 
same as they would run into a residential structure fire. There is a 
line in which the insurance companies (and taxpayers) will not 
tolerate the risk. When monday morning quarterbacking gives way to 
tuesday morning reality, the demands will seem much less realistic



I say we just burn it all. pick any longitudinal point and light her 
up. May only the strongest and fastest survive


On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM castarritt  wrote:

We've neutered the police so effectively they can't do the job
anymore.  We need terminator robots.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

I have been shot at, but never been in combat. I don’t carry a
weapon because I don’t want that option.  That option is one
of the initial starting conditions of a higher order ordinary
differential equation.
I prefer a linear equation.
If a firefighter is armored such that they can probably
survive a gunshot, that would steer their thinking toward
rescue over taking out the shooter.  Let the cops do that.
*From:* Jason McKemie
*Sent:* Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
True, if they're properly trained and doing their job it would
be more effective.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert
 wrote:

There was also the shooting down in the south, where they
had a school "police" officer who stood back and did
nothing.   That's not necessarily a solution either.

On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Seems like we should just be giving additional funding to
police departments so that they can have a regular
presence at schools.
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

I may regret posting this but I had a thought.
How about we let the fire department handle active
shooters at schools.
They know how to get there fast. They are ready to go
at an instants notice.
They know how to breach any building and rescue
survivors.
They have heavy protective gear on, just add a layer
of kevlar.
Or give them extra/different gear they can don on the
way to the incident.
They sure as hell don’t stand around outside
discussing jurisdiction and strategy.
They care more about rescue than they do about their
own lives.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Andy Trimmell]

I liked when the conversation started with people adding in some ways to 
possibly resolve things.  Ideas are great. Pointing fingers is divisive. 

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2022 10:28 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

 

After republicans take office the police, firefighters, libraries and schools 
get defunded/reduced, I'm on a local fireboard, experinced it happen several 
times.  Don't complain to me about who's doing the defunding.

On 6/6/22 11:05, Steve Jones wrote:

There has to be a decision made on what we want from police. 

You cant demand they shoot white shooters, but gently caress any other 
ethnicity.

You cant demand police be demilitarized at the same time you demand 
they be ready to engage a heavily armed operator at a split second notice

you cant demand police protect schools at all times while 
simultaneously eliminating 50 percent of the school resource officers.

You cant demand the school resource officers be a soft presence while 
you also want them shooting perps in the face.

You cant do any of this at all while also defunding the police.

 

Military is ready because theyre always ready, police are never ready 
because theyre always in sensitivty classes, or being arrested for doing their 
job because the media said so.

 

Firefightrs are no more capable of handling these situations than 
police, theyre all people

 

Theres also insurability. Scene safety if paramount in all Emergency 
services. Firefighters dont run into active petrochemical fires the same as 
they would run into a residential structure fire. There is a line in which the 
insurance companies (and taxpayers) will not tolerate the risk. When monday 
morning quarterbacking gives way to tuesday morning reality, the demands will 
seem much less realistic

 

 

I say we just burn it all. pick any longitudinal point and light her 
up. May only the strongest and fastest survive

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM castarritt  wrote:

We've neutered the police so effectively they can't do the job 
anymore.  We need terminator robots.

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I don’t 
carry a weapon because I don’t want that option.  That option is one of the 
initial starting conditions of a higher order ordinary differential equation.  

I prefer a linear equation.  

 

If a firefighter is armored such that they can probably 
survive a gunshot, that would steer their thinking toward rescue over taking 
out the shooter.  Let the cops do that.  

 

From: Jason McKemie 

Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

 

True, if they're properly trained and doing their job 
it would be more effective.

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert 
 wrote:

There was also the shooting down in the south, 
where they had a school "police" officer who stood back and did nothing.   
That's not necessarily a solution either.

On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Seems like we should just be giving 
additional funding to police departments so that they can have a regular 
presence at schools.

 

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck 
McCown via AF  wrote:

I may regret posting this but I had a 
thought.

 

How about we let the fire department 
handle active shooters at schools.  

They know how to get there fast.  They 
are ready to go at an instants notice.  

They know how to breach any building 
and rescue survivors.

They have heavy protective gear on, 
just add a layer of kevlar.  

Or give them extra/different gear they 
can don on the way to the incident.  

They sure as hell don’t stand around 
outside discussing jurisdiction and strategy.  

They care more about rescue than they 
do about their own lives.  

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Darin Steffl]

Maybe Tesla's new Optimus robot can help in future active shooter
situations. Send it in instead of scared humans and let it disable the bad
guy.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 9:40 AM Andy Trimmell 
wrote:

> I liked when the conversation started with people adding in some ways to
> possibly resolve things.  Ideas are great. Pointing fingers is divisive.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2022 10:28 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
>
>
>
> After republicans take office the police, firefighters, libraries and
> schools get defunded/reduced, I'm on a local fireboard, experinced it
> happen several times.  Don't complain to me about who's doing the defunding.
>
> On 6/6/22 11:05, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> There has to be a decision made on what we want from police.
>
> You cant demand they shoot white shooters, but gently caress any other
> ethnicity.
>
> You cant demand police be demilitarized at the same time you demand they
> be ready to engage a heavily armed operator at a split second notice
>
> you cant demand police protect schools at all times while
> simultaneously eliminating 50 percent of the school resource officers.
>
> You cant demand the school resource officers be a soft presence while you
> also want them shooting perps in the face.
>
> You cant do any of this at all while also defunding the police.
>
>
>
> Military is ready because theyre always ready, police are never ready
> because theyre always in sensitivty classes, or being arrested for doing
> their job because the media said so.
>
>
>
> Firefightrs are no more capable of handling these situations than police,
> theyre all people
>
>
>
> Theres also insurability. Scene safety if paramount in all Emergency
> services. Firefighters dont run into active petrochemical fires the same as
> they would run into a residential structure fire. There is a line in which
> the insurance companies (and taxpayers) will not tolerate the risk. When
> monday morning quarterbacking gives way to tuesday morning reality, the
> demands will seem much less realistic
>
>
>
>
>
> I say we just burn it all. pick any longitudinal point and light her up.
> May only the strongest and fastest survive
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM castarritt  wrote:
>
> We've neutered the police so effectively they can't do the job anymore.
> We need terminator robots.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I don’t carry a weapon
> because I don’t want that option.  That option is one of the initial
> starting conditions of a higher order ordinary differential equation.
>
> I prefer a linear equation.
>
>
>
> If a firefighter is armored such that they can probably survive a gunshot,
> that would steer their thinking toward rescue over taking out the shooter.
> Let the cops do that.
>
>
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
>
>
>
> True, if they're properly trained and doing their job it would be more
> effective.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert  wrote:
>
> There was also the shooting down in the south, where they had a school
> "police" officer who stood back and did nothing.   That's not necessarily a
> solution either.
>
> On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Seems like we should just be giving additional funding to police
> departments so that they can have a regular presence at schools.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> I may regret posting this but I had a thought.
>
>
>
> How about we let the fire department handle active shooters at schools.
>
> They know how to get there fast.  They are ready to go at an instants
> notice.
>
> They know how to breach any building and rescue survivors.
>
> They have heavy protective gear on, just add a layer of kevlar.
>
> Or give them extra/different gear they can don on the way to the
> incident.
>
> They sure as hell don’t stand around outside discussing jurisdiction and
> strategy.
>
> They care more about rescue than they do about their own lives.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Jeff Broadwick - Lists]

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that lethal robots are a really bad 
idea?

Jeff Broadwick
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> On Jun 7, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
> 
> 
> Maybe Tesla's new Optimus robot can help in future active shooter situations. 
> Send it in instead of scared humans and let it disable the bad guy.
> 
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 9:40 AM Andy Trimmell  wrote:
>> I liked when the conversation started with people adding in some ways to 
>> possibly resolve things.  Ideas are great. Pointing fingers is divisive.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2022 10:28 AM
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> After republicans take office the police, firefighters, libraries and 
>> schools get defunded/reduced, I'm on a local fireboard, experinced it happen 
>> several times.  Don't complain to me about who's doing the defunding.
>> 
>> On 6/6/22 11:05, Steve Jones wrote:
>> 
>> There has to be a decision made on what we want from police.
>> 
>> You cant demand they shoot white shooters, but gently caress any other 
>> ethnicity.
>> 
>> You cant demand police be demilitarized at the same time you demand they be 
>> ready to engage a heavily armed operator at a split second notice
>> 
>> you cant demand police protect schools at all times while simultaneously 
>> eliminating 50 percent of the school resource officers.
>> 
>> You cant demand the school resource officers be a soft presence while you 
>> also want them shooting perps in the face.
>> 
>> You cant do any of this at all while also defunding the police.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Military is ready because theyre always ready, police are never ready 
>> because theyre always in sensitivty classes, or being arrested for doing 
>> their job because the media said so.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Firefightrs are no more capable of handling these situations than police, 
>> theyre all people
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Theres also insurability. Scene safety if paramount in all Emergency 
>> services. Firefighters dont run into active petrochemical fires the same as 
>> they would run into a residential structure fire. There is a line in which 
>> the insurance companies (and taxpayers) will not tolerate the risk. When 
>> monday morning quarterbacking gives way to tuesday morning reality, the 
>> demands will seem much less realistic
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I say we just burn it all. pick any longitudinal point and light her up. May 
>> only the strongest and fastest survive
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM castarritt  wrote:
>> 
>> We've neutered the police so effectively they can't do the job anymore.  We 
>> need terminator robots.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>> 
>> I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I don’t carry a weapon 
>> because I don’t want that option.  That option is one of the initial 
>> starting conditions of a higher order ordinary differential equation. 
>> 
>> I prefer a linear equation. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If a firefighter is armored such that they can probably survive a gunshot, 
>> that would steer their thinking toward rescue over taking out the shooter.  
>> Let the cops do that. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Jason McKemie
>> 
>> Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM
>> 
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> True, if they're properly trained and doing their job it would be more 
>> effective.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert  wrote:
>> 
>> There was also the shooting down in the south, where they had a school 
>> "police" officer who stood back and did nothing.   That's not necessarily a 
>> solution either.
>> 
>> On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>> 
>> Seems like we should just be giving additional funding to police departments 
>> so that they can have a regular presence at schools.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:
>> 
>> I may regret posting this but I had a thought.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> How about we let the fire department handle active shooters at schools. 
>> 
>> They know how to get there fast.  They are ready to go at an instants 
>> notice. 
>> 
>> They know how to breach any building and rescue survivors.
>> 
>> They have heavy protective gear on, just add a layer of kevlar. 
>> 
>> Or give them extra/different gear they can don on the way to the incident. 
>> 
>> They sure as hell don’t stand around outside discussing jurisdiction and 
>> strategy. 
>> 
>> They care more about rescue than they do about their own lives. 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Steve Jones]

have you seen the lifelike sex robots? robots are an absolute great idea.
Imagine a woman that does what shes told, doesnt talk back and is always in
the mood. I have an electric dishwasher and can buy a roomba, so
theres really no reason to keep wasting money on monthly bleeders

On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 10:28 AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
wrote:

> Is it just me, or does anyone else think that lethal robots are a really
> bad idea?
>
> Jeff Broadwick
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> 574-220-7826 Cell
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>
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>
> 
> Maybe Tesla's new Optimus robot can help in future active shooter
> situations. Send it in instead of scared humans and let it disable the bad
> guy.
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 9:40 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
>> I liked when the conversation started with people adding in some ways to
>> possibly resolve things.  Ideas are great. Pointing fingers is divisive.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2022 10:28 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
>>
>>
>>
>> After republicans take office the police, firefighters, libraries and
>> schools get defunded/reduced, I'm on a local fireboard, experinced it
>> happen several times.  Don't complain to me about who's doing the defunding.
>>
>> On 6/6/22 11:05, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> There has to be a decision made on what we want from police.
>>
>> You cant demand they shoot white shooters, but gently caress any other
>> ethnicity.
>>
>> You cant demand police be demilitarized at the same time you demand they
>> be ready to engage a heavily armed operator at a split second notice
>>
>> you cant demand police protect schools at all times while
>> simultaneously eliminating 50 percent of the school resource officers.
>>
>> You cant demand the school resource officers be a soft presence while you
>> also want them shooting perps in the face.
>>
>> You cant do any of this at all while also defunding the police.
>>
>>
>>
>> Military is ready because theyre always ready, police are never ready
>> because theyre always in sensitivty classes, or being arrested for doing
>> their job because the media said so.
>>
>>
>>
>> Firefightrs are no more capable of handling these situations than police,
>> theyre all people
>>
>>
>>
>> Theres also insurability. Scene safety if paramount in all Emergency
>> services. Firefighters dont run into active petrochemical fires the same as
>> they would run into a residential structure fire. There is a line in which
>> the insurance companies (and taxpayers) will not tolerate the risk. When
>> monday morning quarterbacking gives way to tuesday morning reality, the
>> demands will seem much less realistic
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I say we just burn it all. pick any longitudinal point and light her up.
>> May only the strongest and fastest survive
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM castarritt  wrote:
>>
>> We've neutered the police so effectively they can't do the job anymore.
>> We need terminator robots.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I don’t carry a weapon
>> because I don’t want that option.  That option is one of the initial
>> starting conditions of a higher order ordinary differential equation.
>>
>> I prefer a linear equation.
>>
>>
>>
>> If a firefighter is armored such that they can probably survive a
>> gunshot, that would steer their thinking toward rescue over taking out the
>> shooter.  Let the cops do that.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM
>>
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
>>
>>
>>
>> True, if they're properly trained and doing their job it would be more
>> effective.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>> There was also the shooting down in the south, where they had a school
>> "police" officer who stood back and did nothing.   That's not necessarily a
>> solution either.
>>
>> On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> Seems like we should just be giving additional funding to police
>> departments so that they can have a regular presence at schools.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I may regret posting this but I had a thought.
>>
>>
>>
>> How about we let the fire department handle active shooters at schools.
>>
>> They know how to get there fast.  They are ready to go at an instants
>> notice.
>>
>> They know how to breach any building and rescue survivors.
>>
>> They have heavy protective gear on, just add a layer of kevlar.
>>
>> Or give them extra/different gear they can don on the way to the
>> incident.
>>
>> They sure as hell don’t stand around outside discussing jurisdiction and
>> strategy.
>>
>> They care more about rescue than they do about th

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Robert]

"I for one welcome our new robot overlords.."

On 6/7/22 8:23 AM, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that lethal robots are a 
really bad idea?


Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Jun 7, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Darin Steffl  
wrote:



Maybe Tesla's new Optimus robot can help in future active shooter 
situations. Send it in instead of scared humans and let it disable 
the bad guy.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 9:40 AM Andy Trimmell 
 wrote:


I liked when the conversation started with people adding in some
ways to possibly resolve things. Ideas are great. Pointing
fingers is divisive.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2022 10:28 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

After republicans take office the police, firefighters, libraries
and schools get defunded/reduced, I'm on a local fireboard,
experinced it happen several times.  Don't complain to me about
who's doing the defunding.

On 6/6/22 11:05, Steve Jones wrote:

There has to be a decision made on what we want from police.

You cant demand they shoot white shooters, but gently caress
any other ethnicity.

You cant demand police be demilitarized at the same time you
demand they be ready to engage a heavily armed operator at a
split second notice

you cant demand police protect schools at all times while
simultaneously eliminating 50 percent of the school resource
officers.

You cant demand the school resource officers be a soft
presence while you also want them shooting perps in the face.

You cant do any of this at all while also defunding the police.

Military is ready because theyre always ready, police are
never ready because theyre always in sensitivty classes, or
being arrested for doing their job because the media said so.

Firefightrs are no more capable of handling these situations
than police, theyre all people

Theres also insurability. Scene safety if paramount in all
Emergency services. Firefighters dont run into active
petrochemical fires the same as they would run into a
residential structure fire. There is a line in which the
insurance companies (and taxpayers) will not tolerate the
risk. When monday morning quarterbacking gives way to tuesday
morning reality, the demands will seem much less realistic

I say we just burn it all. pick any longitudinal point and
light her up. May only the strongest and fastest survive

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM castarritt
 wrote:

We've neutered the police so effectively they can't do
the job anymore.  We need terminator robots.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I
don’t carry a weapon because I don’t want that
option.  That option is one of the initial starting
conditions of a higher order ordinary differential
equation.

I prefer a linear equation.

If a firefighter is armored such that they can
probably survive a gunshot, that would steer their
thinking toward rescue over taking out the shooter. 
Let the cops do that.

*From:*Jason McKemie

*Sent:*Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

True, if they're properly trained and doing their job
it would be more effective.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert
 wrote:

There was also the shooting down in the south,
where they had a school "police" officer who
stood back and did nothing.   That's not
necessarily a solution either.

On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Seems like we should just be giving
additional funding to police departments so
that they can have a regular presence at schools.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown
via AF  wrote:

I may regret posting this but I had a
thought.

How about we let the fire department
handle active shooters at schools.

They know how to get there fast.  They
are ready to go at an instants no

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Chuck McCown via AF]

scary

From: Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 9:23 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

Is it just me, or does anyone else think that lethal robots are a really bad 
idea?


Jeff Broadwick 
CTIconnect

312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com


  On Jun 7, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:


   
  Maybe Tesla's new Optimus robot can help in future active shooter situations. 
Send it in instead of scared humans and let it disable the bad guy.

  On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 9:40 AM Andy Trimmell  wrote:

I liked when the conversation started with people adding in some ways to 
possibly resolve things.  Ideas are great. Pointing fingers is divisive. 



From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2022 10:28 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...



After republicans take office the police, firefighters, libraries and 
schools get defunded/reduced, I'm on a local fireboard, experinced it happen 
several times.  Don't complain to me about who's doing the defunding.

On 6/6/22 11:05, Steve Jones wrote:

  There has to be a decision made on what we want from police. 

  You cant demand they shoot white shooters, but gently caress any other 
ethnicity.

  You cant demand police be demilitarized at the same time you demand they 
be ready to engage a heavily armed operator at a split second notice

  you cant demand police protect schools at all times while simultaneously 
eliminating 50 percent of the school resource officers.

  You cant demand the school resource officers be a soft presence while you 
also want them shooting perps in the face.

  You cant do any of this at all while also defunding the police.



  Military is ready because theyre always ready, police are never ready 
because theyre always in sensitivty classes, or being arrested for doing their 
job because the media said so.



  Firefightrs are no more capable of handling these situations than police, 
theyre all people



  Theres also insurability. Scene safety if paramount in all Emergency 
services. Firefighters dont run into active petrochemical fires the same as 
they would run into a residential structure fire. There is a line in which the 
insurance companies (and taxpayers) will not tolerate the risk. When monday 
morning quarterbacking gives way to tuesday morning reality, the demands will 
seem much less realistic





  I say we just burn it all. pick any longitudinal point and light her up. 
May only the strongest and fastest survive



  On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM castarritt  wrote:

We've neutered the police so effectively they can't do the job anymore. 
 We need terminator robots.



On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF  
wrote:

  I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I don’t carry a 
weapon because I don’t want that option.  That option is one of the initial 
starting conditions of a higher order ordinary differential equation.  

  I prefer a linear equation.  



  If a firefighter is armored such that they can probably survive a 
gunshot, that would steer their thinking toward rescue over taking out the 
shooter.  Let the cops do that.  



  From: Jason McKemie 

  Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...



  True, if they're properly trained and doing their job it would be 
more effective.



  On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert  wrote:

There was also the shooting down in the south, where they had a 
school "police" officer who stood back and did nothing.   That's not 
necessarily a solution either.

On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

  Seems like we should just be giving additional funding to police 
departments so that they can have a regular presence at schools.



  On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
 wrote:

I may regret posting this but I had a thought.



How about we let the fire department handle active shooters at 
schools.  

They know how to get there fast.  They are ready to go at an 
instants notice.  

They know how to breach any building and rescue survivors.

They have heavy protective gear on, just add a layer of kevlar. 
 

Or give them extra/different gear they can don on the way to 
the incident.  

They sure as hell don’t stand around outside discussing 
jurisdiction and strategy.  

They care more about rescue than they do about their own lives. 
 

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Bill Prince]

  
  
and Steve wins another Kewpie Doll.


bp

On 6/7/2022 8:35 AM, Steve Jones wrote:


  
  have you seen the lifelike sex robots? robots are
an absolute great idea. Imagine a woman that does what shes
told, doesnt talk back and is always in the mood. I have an
electric dishwasher and can buy a roomba, so theres really no
reason to keep wasting money on monthly bleeders
  
  
On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 10:28
  AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
  wrote:


  Is it just me, or does anyone else think that
lethal robots are a really bad idea?

Jeff Broadwick
  CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
  


  On Jun 7, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Darin
Steffl 
wrote:

  


  
Maybe Tesla's new Optimus robot can help
  in future active shooter situations. Send it in
  instead of scared humans and let it disable the bad
  guy.


  On Tue, Jun 7, 2022,
9:40 AM Andy Trimmell 
wrote:
  
  

  
I
liked when the conversation started with
people adding in some ways to possibly
resolve things.  Ideas are great. Pointing
fingers is divisive. 
 

  
From: AF
[mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com]
On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2022
10:28 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I
go again...
  

 
After republicans take office the police,
  firefighters, libraries and schools get
  defunded/reduced, I'm on a local fireboard,
  experinced it happen several times.  Don't
  complain to me about who's doing the
  defunding.

  On 6/6/22 11:05, Steve
Jones wrote:


  
There has to be a
  decision made on what we want from police.


  You cant demand they
shoot white shooters, but gently caress
any other ethnicity.


  You cant demand
police be demilitarized at the same time
you demand they be ready to engage a
heavily armed operator at a split second
notice


  you cant demand
police protect schools at all times
while simultaneously eliminating 50
percent of the school resource officers.


  You cant demand the
school resource officers be a soft
presence while you also want them
shooting perps in the face.


  You cant do any of
this at all while also defunding the
police.


   


  Military is ready
because theyre always ready, police are
never ready because theyre always in
sensitivty classes, or being arrested
for doing their job becaus

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Mark - Myakka Technologies]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...


Steve,

You should watch Love, Death and Robots S03E01 on netflix

--
Best regards,
 Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Communications
www.Myakka.com

--

Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:35:35 AM, you wrote:





have you seen the lifelike sex robots? robots are an absolute great idea. Imagine a woman that does what shes told, doesnt talk back and is always in the mood. I have an electric dishwasher and can buy a roomba, so theres really no reason to keep wasting money on monthly bleeders

On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 10:28 AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists  wrote:




Is it just me, or does anyone else think that lethal robots are a really bad idea?

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com





On Jun 7, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:








Maybe Tesla's new Optimus robot can help in future active shooter situations. Send it in instead of scared humans and let it disable the bad guy.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 9:40 AM Andy Trimmell  wrote:




I liked when the conversation started with people adding in some ways to possibly resolve things.  Ideas are great. Pointing fingers is divisive. 
 
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2022 10:28 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
 
After republicans take office the police, firefighters, libraries and schools get defunded/reduced, I'm on a local fireboard, experinced it happen several times.  Don't complain to me about who's doing the defunding.
On 6/6/22 11:05, Steve Jones wrote:




There has to be a decision made on what we want from police. 
You cant demand they shoot white shooters, but gently caress any other ethnicity.
You cant demand police be demilitarized at the same time you demand they be ready to engage a heavily armed operator at a split second notice
you cant demand police protect schools at all times while simultaneously eliminating 50 percent of the school resource officers.
You cant demand the school resource officers be a soft presence while you also want them shooting perps in the face.
You cant do any of this at all while also defunding the police.
 
Military is ready because theyre always ready, police are never ready because theyre always in sensitivty classes, or being arrested for doing their job because the media said so.
 
Firefightrs are no more capable of handling these situations than police, theyre all people
 
Theres also insurability. Scene safety if paramount in all Emergency services. Firefighters dont run into active petrochemical fires the same as they would run into a residential structure fire. There is a line in which the insurance companies (and taxpayers) will not tolerate the risk. When monday morning quarterbacking gives way to tuesday morning reality, the demands will seem much less realistic
 
 
I say we just burn it all. pick any longitudinal point and light her up. May only the strongest and fastest survive
 
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM castarritt  wrote:




We've neutered the police so effectively they can't do the job anymore.  We need terminator robots.
 
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:




I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I don’t carry a weapon because I don’t want that option.  That option is one of the initial starting conditions of a higher order ordinary differential equation.  
I prefer a linear equation.  
 
If a firefighter is armored such that they can probably survive a gunshot, that would steer their thinking toward rescue over taking out the shooter.  Let the cops do that.  
 
From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
 
True, if they're properly trained and doing their job it would be more effective.
 
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert  wrote:




There was also the shooting down in the south, where they had a school "police" officer who stood back and did nothing.   That's not necessarily a solution either.
On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:




Seems like we should just be giving additional funding to police departments so that they can have a regular presence at schools.
 
On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF  wrote:




I may regret posting this but I had a thought.
 
How about we let the fire department handle active shooters at schools.  
They know how to get there fast.  They are ready to go at an instants notice.  
They know how to breach any building and rescue survivors.
They have heavy protective gear on, just add a layer of kevlar.  
Or give them extra/different gear they can don on the way to the incident.  
They sure as hell don’t stand around outside discussing jurisdiction and s

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Chuck McCown via AF]

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...I liked the first episode the best.  

From: Mark - Myakka Technologies 
Sent: Tuesday, June 7, 2022 12:22 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

Steve,

You should watch Love, Death and Robots S03E01 on netflix

--
Best regards,
Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com

Myakka Communications
www.Myakka.com

--

Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:35:35 AM, you wrote:


 have you seen the lifelike sex robots? robots are an absolute great idea. 
Imagine a woman that does what shes told, doesnt talk back and is always in the 
mood. I have an electric dishwasher and can buy a roomba, so theres really no 
reason to keep wasting money on monthly bleeders

  On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 10:28 AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists  
wrote:

   Is it just me, or does anyone else think that lethal robots are a 
really bad idea?

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com


 On Jun 7, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Darin Steffl 
 wrote:
 

 
  Maybe Tesla's new Optimus robot can help in future active 
shooter situations. Send it in instead of scared humans and let it disable the 
bad guy.

  On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 9:40 AM Andy Trimmell 
 wrote:

   I liked when the conversation started with people adding 
in some ways to possibly resolve things.  Ideas are great. Pointing fingers is 
divisive. 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
Jan-GAMs
Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2022 10:28 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

After republicans take office the police, firefighters, 
libraries and schools get defunded/reduced, I'm on a local fireboard, 
experinced it happen several times.  Don't complain to me about who's doing the 
defunding.
On 6/6/22 11:05, Steve Jones wrote:

 There has to be a decision made on what we want 
from police. 
  You cant demand they shoot white shooters, but 
gently caress any other ethnicity.
  You cant demand police be demilitarized at the 
same time you demand they be ready to engage a heavily armed operator at a 
split second notice
  you cant demand police protect schools at all 
times while simultaneously eliminating 50 percent of the school resource 
officers.
  You cant demand the school resource officers be a 
soft presence while you also want them shooting perps in the face.
  You cant do any of this at all while also 
defunding the police.

  Military is ready because theyre always ready, 
police are never ready because theyre always in sensitivty classes, or being 
arrested for doing their job because the media said so.

  Firefightrs are no more capable of handling these 
situations than police, theyre all people

  Theres also insurability. Scene safety if 
paramount in all Emergency services. Firefighters dont run into active 
petrochemical fires the same as they would run into a residential structure 
fire. There is a line in which the insurance companies (and taxpayers) will not 
tolerate the risk. When monday morning quarterbacking gives way to tuesday 
morning reality, the demands will seem much less realistic


  I say we just burn it all. pick any longitudinal 
point and light her up. May only the strongest and fastest survive

  On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM castarritt 
 wrote:

 We've neutered the police so effectively they 
can't do the job anymore.  We need terminator robots.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:49 PM Chuck McCown 
via AF  wrote:

 I have been shot at, but never been in combat. 
 I don’t carry a weapon because I don’t want that option.  That option is one 
of the initial starting conditions of a higher order ordinary differential 
equation.  
I prefer a linear equation.  

If a firefighter is armored such that they can 
probably survive a gunshot, that would steer their thinking toward rescue over 
taking out the shooter.  Let the cops do that.  

From: Jason McKemie 
Sent: Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Bill Prince]

Title: Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

  
  


I watched a couple of those, and really kind of creeped me out.


bp

On 6/7/2022 11:22 AM, Mark - Myakka
  Technologies wrote:


  
  
  Steve,

You should watch Love, Death and Robots S03E01 on netflix

--
Best regards,
Mark                            mailto:m...@mailmt.com
  
  Myakka
Communications
  www.Myakka.com
  
  --

Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:35:35 AM, you wrote:

  
  

  


have you seen the lifelike sex robots? robots are
an absolute great idea. Imagine a woman that does what
shes told, doesnt talk back and is always in the mood. I
have an electric dishwasher and can buy a roomba, so
theres really no reason to keep wasting money on monthly
bleeders

On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 10:28 AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists

wrote:
  
  

  


Is it just me, or does anyone
else think that lethal robots are a really bad
idea?

Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
  jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
  
  

  


On Jun 7, 2022, at
11:08 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
  
  

  
  

  



Maybe Tesla's new Optimus robot can help
in future active shooter situations.
Send it in instead of scared humans and
let it disable the bad guy.

On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 9:40 AM Andy
Trimmell  wrote:
  
  

  


I liked when the
conversation started with people
adding in some ways to possibly
resolve things.  Ideas are
great. Pointing fingers is
divisive. 

From: AF
  [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On
  Behalf Of Jan-GAMs
Sent: Tuesday, June 07,
2022 10:28 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re:
[AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

After
  republicans take office the
  police, firefighters,
  libraries and schools get
  defunded/reduced, I'm on a
  local fireboard, experinced it
  happen several times.  Don't
  complain to me about who's
  doing the defunding.
  On 6/6/22 11:05, Steve Jones
  wrote:

  

  


There
has to be a decision
made on what we want

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Steve Jones]

that just popped up yesterday in my list

On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 1:23 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
wrote:

> Steve,
>
> You should watch Love, Death and Robots S03E01 on netflix
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>
> Myakka Communications
> www.Myakka.com
>
> --
>
> Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:35:35 AM, you wrote:
>
>
> have you seen the lifelike sex robots? robots are an absolute great idea.
> Imagine a woman that does what shes told, doesnt talk back and is always in
> the mood. I have an electric dishwasher and can buy a roomba, so theres
> really no reason to keep wasting money on monthly bleeders
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 10:28 AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
> wrote:
>
> Is it just me, or does anyone else think that lethal robots are a really
> bad idea?
>
> Jeff Broadwick
> CTIconnect
> 312-205-2519 Office
> 574-220-7826 Cell
> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>
>
> On Jun 7, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Darin Steffl  wrote:
>
> 
> Maybe Tesla's new Optimus robot can help in future active shooter
> situations. Send it in instead of scared humans and let it disable the bad
> guy.
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 9:40 AM Andy Trimmell 
> wrote:
>
> I liked when the conversation started with people adding in some ways to
> possibly resolve things.  Ideas are great. Pointing fingers is divisive.
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2022 10:28 AM
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
>
> After republicans take office the police, firefighters, libraries and
> schools get defunded/reduced, I'm on a local fireboard, experinced it
> happen several times.  Don't complain to me about who's doing the defunding.
> On 6/6/22 11:05, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> There has to be a decision made on what we want from police.
> You cant demand they shoot white shooters, but gently caress any other
> ethnicity.
> You cant demand police be demilitarized at the same time you demand they
> be ready to engage a heavily armed operator at a split second notice
> you cant demand police protect schools at all times while simultaneously
> eliminating 50 percent of the school resource officers.
> You cant demand the school resource officers be a soft presence while you
> also want them shooting perps in the face.
> You cant do any of this at all while also defunding the police.
>
> Military is ready because theyre always ready, police are never ready
> because theyre always in sensitivty classes, or being arrested for doing
> their job because the media said so.
>
> Firefightrs are no more capable of handling these situations than police,
> theyre all people
>
> Theres also insurability. Scene safety if paramount in all Emergency
> services. Firefighters dont run into active petrochemical fires the same as
> they would run into a residential structure fire. There is a line in which
> the insurance companies (and taxpayers) will not tolerate the risk. When
> monday morning quarterbacking gives way to tuesday morning reality, the
> demands will seem much less realistic
>
>
> I say we just burn it all. pick any longitudinal point and light her up.
> May only the strongest and fastest survive
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM castarritt  wrote:
>
> We've neutered the police so effectively they can't do the job anymore.
> We need terminator robots.
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I don’t carry a weapon
> because I don’t want that option.  That option is one of the initial
> starting conditions of a higher order ordinary differential equation.
> I prefer a linear equation.
>
> If a firefighter is armored such that they can probably survive a gunshot,
> that would steer their thinking toward rescue over taking out the shooter.
> Let the cops do that.
>
> *From:* Jason McKemie
> *Sent:* Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
>
> True, if they're properly trained and doing their job it would be more
> effective.
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert  wrote:
>
> There was also the shooting down in the south, where they had a school
> "police" officer who stood back and did nothing.   That's not necessarily a
> solution either.
> On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> Seems like we should just be giving additional funding to police
> departments so that they can have a regular presence at schools.
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
> wrote:
>
> I may regret posting this but I had a thought.
>
> How about we let the fire department handle active shooters at schools.
> They know how to get there fast.  They are ready to go at an instants
> notice.
> They know how to breach any building and rescue survivors.
> They have heavy protective gear on, just add a layer of kevlar.
> Or give them extra/different gear they can don on the way to

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Steve Jones]

This show is great

On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 3:22 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> that just popped up yesterday in my list
>
> On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 1:23 PM Mark - Myakka Technologies 
> wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>> You should watch Love, Death and Robots S03E01 on netflix
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> Markmailto:m...@mailmt.com 
>>
>> Myakka Communications
>> www.Myakka.com
>>
>> --
>>
>> Tuesday, June 7, 2022, 11:35:35 AM, you wrote:
>>
>>
>> have you seen the lifelike sex robots? robots are an absolute great idea.
>> Imagine a woman that does what shes told, doesnt talk back and is always in
>> the mood. I have an electric dishwasher and can buy a roomba, so theres
>> really no reason to keep wasting money on monthly bleeders
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2022 at 10:28 AM Jeff Broadwick - Lists 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is it just me, or does anyone else think that lethal robots are a really
>> bad idea?
>>
>> Jeff Broadwick
>> CTIconnect
>> 312-205-2519 Office
>> 574-220-7826 Cell
>> jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
>>
>>
>> On Jun 7, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Darin Steffl 
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Maybe Tesla's new Optimus robot can help in future active shooter
>> situations. Send it in instead of scared humans and let it disable the bad
>> guy.
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 9:40 AM Andy Trimmell 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I liked when the conversation started with people adding in some ways to
>> possibly resolve things.  Ideas are great. Pointing fingers is divisive.
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2022 10:28 AM
>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
>>
>> After republicans take office the police, firefighters, libraries and
>> schools get defunded/reduced, I'm on a local fireboard, experinced it
>> happen several times.  Don't complain to me about who's doing the defunding.
>> On 6/6/22 11:05, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> There has to be a decision made on what we want from police.
>> You cant demand they shoot white shooters, but gently caress any other
>> ethnicity.
>> You cant demand police be demilitarized at the same time you demand they
>> be ready to engage a heavily armed operator at a split second notice
>> you cant demand police protect schools at all times while simultaneously
>> eliminating 50 percent of the school resource officers.
>> You cant demand the school resource officers be a soft presence while you
>> also want them shooting perps in the face.
>> You cant do any of this at all while also defunding the police.
>>
>> Military is ready because theyre always ready, police are never ready
>> because theyre always in sensitivty classes, or being arrested for doing
>> their job because the media said so.
>>
>> Firefightrs are no more capable of handling these situations than police,
>> theyre all people
>>
>> Theres also insurability. Scene safety if paramount in all Emergency
>> services. Firefighters dont run into active petrochemical fires the same as
>> they would run into a residential structure fire. There is a line in which
>> the insurance companies (and taxpayers) will not tolerate the risk. When
>> monday morning quarterbacking gives way to tuesday morning reality, the
>> demands will seem much less realistic
>>
>>
>> I say we just burn it all. pick any longitudinal point and light her up.
>> May only the strongest and fastest survive
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM castarritt  wrote:
>>
>> We've neutered the police so effectively they can't do the job anymore.
>> We need terminator robots.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I don’t carry a weapon
>> because I don’t want that option.  That option is one of the initial
>> starting conditions of a higher order ordinary differential equation.
>> I prefer a linear equation.
>>
>> If a firefighter is armored such that they can probably survive a
>> gunshot, that would steer their thinking toward rescue over taking out the
>> shooter.  Let the cops do that.
>>
>> *From:* Jason McKemie
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...
>>
>> True, if they're properly trained and doing their job it would be more
>> effective.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert  wrote:
>>
>> There was also the shooting down in the south, where they had a school
>> "police" officer who stood back and did nothing.   That's not necessarily a
>> solution either.
>> On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>>
>> Seems like we should just be giving additional funding to police
>> departments so that they can have a regular presence at schools.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 11:08 AM Chuck McCown via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I may regret posting this but I had a thought.
>>
>> How about we let the fire department handle active shooters at schools.
>> They know how to get there fast.  They are ready to go at a

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Jan-GAMs]

On the face of it, it violates the three robot laws.  Programming an 
end-run around those 3 laws and us humans are in trouble.  So how do we 
program a robot to tell the difference between crazy carrying a gun and 
not crazy?  Killer vs. non-killer?  Cop arresting criminal vs cop doing 
his job?  Cop carrying weapons? Can you bend over enough to kiss your 
ass goodbye?


I like those really fast dog-like robots the military is working on, 
they could take out a whole platoon, silently.


On 6/7/22 08:23, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that lethal robots are a 
really bad idea?


Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Jun 7, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Darin Steffl  
wrote:



Maybe Tesla's new Optimus robot can help in future active shooter 
situations. Send it in instead of scared humans and let it disable 
the bad guy.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 9:40 AM Andy Trimmell 
 wrote:


I liked when the conversation started with people adding in some
ways to possibly resolve things. Ideas are great. Pointing
fingers is divisive.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2022 10:28 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

After republicans take office the police, firefighters, libraries
and schools get defunded/reduced, I'm on a local fireboard,
experinced it happen several times.  Don't complain to me about
who's doing the defunding.

On 6/6/22 11:05, Steve Jones wrote:

There has to be a decision made on what we want from police.

You cant demand they shoot white shooters, but gently caress
any other ethnicity.

You cant demand police be demilitarized at the same time you
demand they be ready to engage a heavily armed operator at a
split second notice

you cant demand police protect schools at all times while
simultaneously eliminating 50 percent of the school resource
officers.

You cant demand the school resource officers be a soft
presence while you also want them shooting perps in the face.

You cant do any of this at all while also defunding the police.

Military is ready because theyre always ready, police are
never ready because theyre always in sensitivty classes, or
being arrested for doing their job because the media said so.

Firefightrs are no more capable of handling these situations
than police, theyre all people

Theres also insurability. Scene safety if paramount in all
Emergency services. Firefighters dont run into active
petrochemical fires the same as they would run into a
residential structure fire. There is a line in which the
insurance companies (and taxpayers) will not tolerate the
risk. When monday morning quarterbacking gives way to tuesday
morning reality, the demands will seem much less realistic

I say we just burn it all. pick any longitudinal point and
light her up. May only the strongest and fastest survive

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM castarritt
 wrote:

We've neutered the police so effectively they can't do
the job anymore.  We need terminator robots.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I
don’t carry a weapon because I don’t want that
option.  That option is one of the initial starting
conditions of a higher order ordinary differential
equation.

I prefer a linear equation.

If a firefighter is armored such that they can
probably survive a gunshot, that would steer their
thinking toward rescue over taking out the shooter. 
Let the cops do that.

*From:*Jason McKemie

*Sent:*Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

True, if they're properly trained and doing their job
it would be more effective.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert
 wrote:

There was also the shooting down in the south,
where they had a school "police" officer who
stood back and did nothing.   That's not
necessarily a solution either.

On 6/6/22 9:58 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:

Seems like we should just be giving
additional funding to police departments so
that they can have a regular presence at schools.

On

Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

[Jan-GAMs]

here we go, pucker up:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/990341/us-army-exoskeleton-ironman-russia-china-world-war-3-lockheed-martin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlDLwTsRHtU

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2021/11/04/australian-army-gets-bulletproof-attack-robots/?sh=46cb46a8463b


On 6/7/22 21:30, Jan-GAMs wrote:


On the face of it, it violates the three robot laws. Programming an 
end-run around those 3 laws and us humans are in trouble.  So how do 
we program a robot to tell the difference between crazy carrying a gun 
and not crazy?  Killer vs. non-killer?  Cop arresting criminal vs cop 
doing his job?  Cop carrying weapons?  Can you bend over enough to 
kiss your ass goodbye?


I like those really fast dog-like robots the military is working on, 
they could take out a whole platoon, silently.


On 6/7/22 08:23, Jeff Broadwick - Lists wrote:
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that lethal robots are a 
really bad idea?


Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com

On Jun 7, 2022, at 11:08 AM, Darin Steffl  
wrote:



Maybe Tesla's new Optimus robot can help in future active shooter 
situations. Send it in instead of scared humans and let it disable 
the bad guy.


On Tue, Jun 7, 2022, 9:40 AM Andy Trimmell 
 wrote:


I liked when the conversation started with people adding in some
ways to possibly resolve things. Ideas are great. Pointing
fingers is divisive.

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *Jan-GAMs
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 07, 2022 10:28 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

After republicans take office the police, firefighters,
libraries and schools get defunded/reduced, I'm on a local
fireboard, experinced it happen several times.  Don't complain
to me about who's doing the defunding.

On 6/6/22 11:05, Steve Jones wrote:

There has to be a decision made on what we want from police.

You cant demand they shoot white shooters, but gently caress
any other ethnicity.

You cant demand police be demilitarized at the same time you
demand they be ready to engage a heavily armed operator at a
split second notice

you cant demand police protect schools at all times while
simultaneously eliminating 50 percent of the school resource
officers.

You cant demand the school resource officers be a soft
presence while you also want them shooting perps in the face.

You cant do any of this at all while also defunding the police.

Military is ready because theyre always ready, police are
never ready because theyre always in sensitivty classes, or
being arrested for doing their job because the media said so.

Firefightrs are no more capable of handling these situations
than police, theyre all people

Theres also insurability. Scene safety if paramount in all
Emergency services. Firefighters dont run into active
petrochemical fires the same as they would run into a
residential structure fire. There is a line in which the
insurance companies (and taxpayers) will not tolerate the
risk. When monday morning quarterbacking gives way to
tuesday morning reality, the demands will seem much less
realistic

I say we just burn it all. pick any longitudinal point and
light her up. May only the strongest and fastest survive

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:51 PM castarritt
 wrote:

We've neutered the police so effectively they can't do
the job anymore.  We need terminator robots.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:49 PM Chuck McCown via AF
 wrote:

I have been shot at, but never been in combat.  I
don’t carry a weapon because I don’t want that
option.  That option is one of the initial starting
conditions of a higher order ordinary differential
equation.

I prefer a linear equation.

If a firefighter is armored such that they can
probably survive a gunshot, that would steer their
thinking toward rescue over taking out the shooter.
Let the cops do that.

*From:*Jason McKemie

*Sent:*Monday, June 6, 2022 11:09 AM

*To:*AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT - here I go again...

True, if they're properly trained and doing their
job it would be more effective.

On Mon, Jun 6, 2022 at 12:05 PM Robert
 wrote:

There was also the shooting down in the south,
where they had a school "police" officer who
stood back and did nothing.   That's