Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

[dmmoffett]

Some devices if you factory default them you can pick a different country on 
first bootup.  I knew a guy who used to set all of his Ubiquiti stuff to “Hong 
Kong” so he could avoid power and DFS rules in 5.2-5.6ghz.  
I am not recommending this course of action, and I would personally not be 
comfortable with the liability (and bad neighborliness) that would come with 
that, but it’s definitely a thing people do.  

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 6:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

Lol...don't US radios have US, Canada and Canada Licensed as options?

Anyways ...these are not my radios...

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 3:09 PM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:

Change your country code to Russia and you won’t have any DFS hits anymore 😊
(not actually a good idea)

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

This happened after 911 in Del Rio/Bracketville Texas areas...Tsunami ptp links 
for hospital to clinic 5Ghz link...they would start at 6:00am and stop at 
9:00pm..

Link would come back up!!  

It affected some VoiceStream (T-Mobile now) tower to tower links as well..  

I believe the statute  of limitations is over, if not, this was a dream ala 
Dallas episode.

We ended  up putting  a parallel 2.4GHz link using two Teletronic wireless 
router which supported bridge mode and had channel 14 with a friendly 1 watt 
booster on the AP side...they would use it when they needed to send X-rays only 
and turn it off when not in use.   They would transfer files and updates at 
nightused it for several months after the Air Force base went back to 
normal operations.

No hablo...




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

 

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:15 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I would not be suprised to see multiple avenues of interference near military 
bases across all communication spectrum. There has got to be a lot of testing 
taking place in the event things go in a southerly direction over there and we 
have to either deploy or provide systems to interfere with communication 
systems of scale over large geography. 

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 11:11 AM Larry Smith mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net> > wrote:


Quite a few military bases are ramping up activity due to
the situation in Ukraine I believe.

-- 
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net  

On Tue March 15 2022 10:41, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Hello Fine Feathered Friends:
> Since last week several WISPs in the area have been getting DFS hits which
> change their frequencies to the 5745MHz mostly!   They all have pops on the
> Franklin Mountains which exposes them to radar signals from El Paso
> International Airport, Santa Teresa Airport, Fort Bliss, Biggs, McGregor,
> and WSMR.
>
> It has never been this bad.any ideas?
> thx
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

[dmmoffett]

It’s all fun and games until you interfere with a military radar.

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com  
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:48 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

Some devices if you factory default them you can pick a different country on 
first bootup.  I knew a guy who used to set all of his Ubiquiti stuff to “Hong 
Kong” so he could avoid power and DFS rules in 5.2-5.6ghz.  
I am not recommending this course of action, and I would personally not be 
comfortable with the liability (and bad neighborliness) that would come with 
that, but it’s definitely a thing people do.  

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 6:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

Lol...don't US radios have US, Canada and Canada Licensed as options?

Anyways ...these are not my radios...

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 3:09 PM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:

Change your country code to Russia and you won’t have any DFS hits anymore 😊
(not actually a good idea)

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

This happened after 911 in Del Rio/Bracketville Texas areas...Tsunami ptp links 
for hospital to clinic 5Ghz link...they would start at 6:00am and stop at 
9:00pm..

Link would come back up!!  

It affected some VoiceStream (T-Mobile now) tower to tower links as well..  

I believe the statute  of limitations is over, if not, this was a dream ala 
Dallas episode.

We ended  up putting  a parallel 2.4GHz link using two Teletronic wireless 
router which supported bridge mode and had channel 14 with a friendly 1 watt 
booster on the AP side...they would use it when they needed to send X-rays only 
and turn it off when not in use.   They would transfer files and updates at 
nightused it for several months after the Air Force base went back to 
normal operations.

No hablo...




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

 

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:15 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I would not be suprised to see multiple avenues of interference near military 
bases across all communication spectrum. There has got to be a lot of testing 
taking place in the event things go in a southerly direction over there and we 
have to either deploy or provide systems to interfere with communication 
systems of scale over large geography. 

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 11:11 AM Larry Smith mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net> > wrote:


Quite a few military bases are ramping up activity due to
the situation in Ukraine I believe.

-- 
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net  

On Tue March 15 2022 10:41, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Hello Fine Feathered Friends:
> Since last week several WISPs in the area have been getting DFS hits which
> change their frequencies to the 5745MHz mostly!   They all have pops on the
> Franklin Mountains which exposes them to radar signals from El Paso
> International Airport, Santa Teresa Airport, Fort Bliss, Biggs, McGregor,
> and WSMR.
>
> It has never been this bad.any ideas?
> thx
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

[Timothy Steele]

my company is doing overnight wireless network monitoring and proactive
channel changes for a number of WISPs
across the U.S

I can say the whole state of Texas and L.A CA are the 2 worst areas I have
seen DFS hits

aside from military bases ducting also seems to affect it along with
weather stations

you can see a ducting radar here https://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html


On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 8:50 PM  wrote:

> It’s all fun and games until you interfere with a military radar.
>
>
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:48 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>
>
>
> Some devices if you factory default them you can pick a different country
> on first bootup.  I knew a guy who used to set all of his Ubiquiti stuff to
> “Hong Kong” so he could avoid power and DFS rules in 5.2-5.6ghz.
> I am not recommending this course of action, and I would personally not be
> comfortable with the liability (and bad neighborliness) that would come
> with that, but it’s definitely a thing people do.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2022 6:58 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>
>
>
> Lol...don't US radios have US, Canada and Canada Licensed as options?
>
> Anyways ...these are not my radios...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 3:09 PM  wrote:
>
> Change your country code to Russia and you won’t have any DFS hits anymore
> 😊
> (not actually a good idea)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:35 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>
>
>
> This happened after 911 in Del Rio/Bracketville Texas areas...Tsunami ptp
> links for hospital to clinic 5Ghz link...they would start at 6:00am and
> stop at 9:00pm..
>
> Link would come back up!!
>
> It affected some VoiceStream (T-Mobile now) tower to tower links as
> well..
>
> I believe the statute  of limitations is over, if not, this was a dream
> ala Dallas episode.
>
> We ended  up putting  a parallel 2.4GHz link using two Teletronic wireless
> router which supported bridge mode and had channel 14 with a friendly 1
> watt booster on the AP side...they would use it when they needed to send
> X-rays only and turn it off when not in use.   They would transfer files
> and updates at nightused it for several months after the Air Force base
> went back to normal operations.
>
> No hablo...
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:15 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> I would not be suprised to see multiple avenues of interference near
> military bases across all communication spectrum. There has got to be a lot
> of testing taking place in the event things go in a southerly direction
> over there and we have to either deploy or provide systems to interfere
> with communication systems of scale over large geography.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 11:11 AM Larry Smith  wrote:
>
>
> Quite a few military bases are ramping up activity due to
> the situation in Ukraine I believe.
>
> --
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
>
> On Tue March 15 2022 10:41, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > Hello Fine Feathered Friends:
> > Since last week several WISPs in the area have been getting DFS hits
> which
> > change their frequencies to the 5745MHz mostly!   They all have pops on
> the
> > Franklin Mountains which exposes them to radar signals from El Paso
> > International Airport, Santa Teresa Airport, Fort Bliss, Biggs, McGregor,
> > and WSMR.
> >
> > It has never been this bad.any ideas?
> > thx
> > Jaime Solorza
> > Wireless Systems Architect
> > 915-861-1390
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

[Bill Prince]

  
  
It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye.


bp

On 3/16/2022 5:48 AM,
  dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:


  
  
  
  
It’s all fun and games until you interfere
  with a military radar.
 

  
From: dmmoff...@gmail.com
   
  Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:48 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
  
  Subject: RE: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
  

 
Some devices if you factory default them
  you can pick a different country on first bootup.  I knew a
  guy who used to set all of his Ubiquiti stuff to “Hong Kong”
  so he could avoid power and DFS rules in 5.2-5.6ghz.  
  I am not recommending this course of action, and I would
  personally not be comfortable with the liability (and bad
  neighborliness) that would come with that, but it’s definitely
  a thing people do.  
 
 

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 6:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

  Lol...don't US radios have US, Canada and
Canada Licensed as options?
  
Anyways ...these are not my radios...
  

 

  
On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 3:09 PM 
  wrote:
  
  

  
Change
  your country code to Russia and you won’t have any DFS
  hits anymore 😊
  (not actually a good idea)
 

  From:
AF 
On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

  This
happened after 911 in Del Rio/Bracketville Texas
areas...Tsunami ptp links for hospital to clinic
5Ghz link...they would start at 6:00am and stop at
9:00pm..
  
Link
  would come back up!!  
  
  
It
  affected some VoiceStream (T-Mobile now) tower to
  tower links as well..  
  
  
I
  believe the statute  of limitations is over, if
  not, this was a dream ala Dallas episode.
  
  
We
  ended  up putting  a parallel 2.4GHz link using
  two Teletronic wireless router which supported
  bridge mode and had channel 14 with a friendly 1
  watt booster on the AP side...they would use it
  when they needed to send X-rays only and turn it
  off when not in use.   They would transfer files
  and updates at nightused it for several months
  after the Air Force base went back to normal
  operations.
  
  
No
  hablo...
  
  

  

  

  Jaime
Solorza
  
Wireless
  Systems Architect
  
  
915-861-1390
  

  

 
  

 

  
On
  Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:15 PM Steve Jones 
  wrote:
  
  

  I
would not be suprised to see multiple avenues of
interference near military bases across all
communication spectrum. There has got to be a
lot of testing taking place in the event things
go in a southerly direction over there and we
have to eith

Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

[dmmoffett]

Here’s the eye poker they should use on intentionally misconfigured systems:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 9:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye.

 

bp


On 3/16/2022 5:48 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com   wrote:

It’s all fun and games until you interfere with a military radar.

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com    
  
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:48 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'   

Subject: RE: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

Some devices if you factory default them you can pick a different country on 
first bootup.  I knew a guy who used to set all of his Ubiquiti stuff to “Hong 
Kong” so he could avoid power and DFS rules in 5.2-5.6ghz.  
I am not recommending this course of action, and I would personally not be 
comfortable with the liability (and bad neighborliness) that would come with 
that, but it’s definitely a thing people do.  

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 6:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

Lol...don't US radios have US, Canada and Canada Licensed as options?

Anyways ...these are not my radios...

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 3:09 PM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:

Change your country code to Russia and you won’t have any DFS hits anymore 😊
(not actually a good idea)

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

This happened after 911 in Del Rio/Bracketville Texas areas...Tsunami ptp links 
for hospital to clinic 5Ghz link...they would start at 6:00am and stop at 
9:00pm..

Link would come back up!!  

It affected some VoiceStream (T-Mobile now) tower to tower links as well..  

I believe the statute  of limitations is over, if not, this was a dream ala 
Dallas episode.

We ended  up putting  a parallel 2.4GHz link using two Teletronic wireless 
router which supported bridge mode and had channel 14 with a friendly 1 watt 
booster on the AP side...they would use it when they needed to send X-rays only 
and turn it off when not in use.   They would transfer files and updates at 
nightused it for several months after the Air Force base went back to 
normal operations.

No hablo...




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

 

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:15 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I would not be suprised to see multiple avenues of interference near military 
bases across all communication spectrum. There has got to be a lot of testing 
taking place in the event things go in a southerly direction over there and we 
have to either deploy or provide systems to interfere with communication 
systems of scale over large geography. 

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 11:11 AM Larry Smith mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net> > wrote:


Quite a few military bases are ramping up activity due to
the situation in Ukraine I believe.

-- 
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net  

On Tue March 15 2022 10:41, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Hello Fine Feathered Friends:
> Since last week several WISPs in the area have been getting DFS hits which
> change their frequencies to the 5745MHz mostly!   They all have pops on the
> Franklin Mountains which exposes them to radar signals from El Paso
> International Airport, Santa Teresa Airport, Fort Bliss, Biggs, McGregor,
> and WSMR.
>
> It has never been this bad.any ideas?
> thx
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com





-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] 3 Sectors posing as Omni

[David Sovereen via AF]

I could have sworn that a few years ago, I saw a rather fat Omni that was 
really 3 120-degree sectors in an omni form-factor.

I would like to put one up to save on some tower rent cost, but am not finding 
any.

Does anyone else know where to find such a thing?

Thanks,

Dave

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] 3 Sectors posing as Omni

[Colin Stanners]

Alpha Wireless makes some tri-sector antennas but that company is more
oriented towards cellular carriers
https://alphawireless.com/macro-concealed-tri-sector-solutions/

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 10:22 AM David Sovereen via AF 
wrote:

> I could have sworn that a few years ago, I saw a rather fat Omni that was
> really 3 120-degree sectors in an omni form-factor.
>
> I would like to put one up to save on some tower rent cost, but am not
> finding any.
>
> Does anyone else know where to find such a thing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] 3 Sectors posing as Omni

[Jacob Turner]

I know Laird used to make one, but it was 3 single-pol 120* sectors in the
omni-style radome.

You could probably make your own with 3~4 UI LiteAP-GPS units and some
large diameter PVC pipe if you really wanted to.  I'm not sure it would
work very well though.

--
Jacob Turner






On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 8:23 AM David Sovereen via AF 
wrote:

> I could have sworn that a few years ago, I saw a rather fat Omni that was
> really 3 120-degree sectors in an omni form-factor.
>
> I would like to put one up to save on some tower rent cost, but am not
> finding any.
>
> Does anyone else know where to find such a thing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] 3 Sectors posing as Omni

[dmmoffett]

Any dual slant omni is really just an array of sectors.  You can see it in
the polar radiation pattern.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of David Sovereen via AF
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 11:22 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: David Sovereen 
Subject: [AFMUG] 3 Sectors posing as Omni

I could have sworn that a few years ago, I saw a rather fat Omni that was
really 3 120-degree sectors in an omni form-factor.

I would like to put one up to save on some tower rent cost, but am not
finding any.

Does anyone else know where to find such a thing?

Thanks,

Dave

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com


-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] 3 Sectors posing as Omni

[Steve Jones]

That sounds like a kp performance

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 10:23 AM David Sovereen via AF 
wrote:

> I could have sworn that a few years ago, I saw a rather fat Omni that was
> really 3 120-degree sectors in an omni form-factor.
>
> I would like to put one up to save on some tower rent cost, but am not
> finding any.
>
> Does anyone else know where to find such a thing?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Dave
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] Emission designators EPMP 400 and EPMP 3000

[Brian Webster]

Does anyone know where I can find the emission designators for the Cambium
EPMP400 and 3000 series. I have been digging all over the interwebs and
obviously I am not using the correct search terms.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] Small dual splice case

[Steve Jones]

I have some locations I need to extend our Aviat fiber. Im having trouble
finding a small splice case from legitimate vendors. I find weird chinese
ones, but I dont know the product would even ship.
I just need to splice the two, one splice will sit behind a fixed ladder so
its only got like 3 inches clearance.
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

[Chuck McCown via AF]

What kind of fiber and splice?
Doesn’t sound like you actually need a true splice case, just something to 
protect it.  Anything will work.
There are some small puck type splice cases that are nice.  Not sure where we 
get them.
Could use just a splice tray.  Perhaps something like this:

https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/hellermanntyton/CCP-SAP/9956916?utm_adgroup=Splice%20Enclosures%2C%20Protection&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Shopping_Product_Cables%2C%20Wires%20-%20Management&utm_term=&utm_content=Splice%20Enclosures%2C%20Protection&gclid=CjwKCAjwlcaRBhBYEiwAK341jeGaTonli_aShxWMNV2Lgpqh4cWsXN4HiFGLSWKk2iEEIL4gBWYtPhoCOMYQAvD_BwE
  

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 10:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

I have some locations I need to extend our Aviat fiber. Im having trouble 
finding a small splice case from legitimate vendors. I find weird chinese ones, 
but I dont know the product would even ship. 
I just need to splice the two, one splice will sit behind a fixed ladder so its 
only got like 3 inches clearance.



-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

[dmmoffett]

Is it a drop cable?

 

Preformed Line Products Coyote DTC.  

 

Our field guys call it a “pup”, because apparently Coyote=puppy.  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 12:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

 

I have some locations I need to extend our Aviat fiber. Im having trouble 
finding a small splice case from legitimate vendors. I find weird chinese ones, 
but I dont know the product would even ship.

I just need to splice the two, one splice will sit behind a fixed ladder so its 
only got like 3 inches clearance.

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

[Chuck McCown via AF]

https://www.budcocable.com/AWSProducts/66271-C-14484-P-0/Coyote-COYLCC-F001-LCC-Low-Count-Fiber-Optic-Closure-Kit

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 10:21 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

Is it a drop cable?

 

Preformed Line Products Coyote DTC.  

 

Our field guys call it a “pup”, because apparently Coyote=puppy.  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 12:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

 

I have some locations I need to extend our Aviat fiber. Im having trouble 
finding a small splice case from legitimate vendors. I find weird chinese ones, 
but I dont know the product would even ship.

I just need to splice the two, one splice will sit behind a fixed ladder so its 
only got like 3 inches clearance.




-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

[Chuck McCown via AF]

https://www.budcocable.com/AWSProducts/67662-C-14484-P-0/Coyote-COYDTC-004-DTC-Fiber-Optic-Drop-Termination-Closure-Kit

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 10:21 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

Is it a drop cable?

 

Preformed Line Products Coyote DTC.  

 

Our field guys call it a “pup”, because apparently Coyote=puppy.  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 12:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

 

I have some locations I need to extend our Aviat fiber. Im having trouble 
finding a small splice case from legitimate vendors. I find weird chinese ones, 
but I dont know the product would even ship.

I just need to splice the two, one splice will sit behind a fixed ladder so its 
only got like 3 inches clearance.




-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

[dmmoffett]

Yeah that’s the one I was thinking of.  Though the LCC from your first link 
would also take OSP cables.  So maybe more versatile if we don’t know what kind 
of cable we’re getting into.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown via AF
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 12:23 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Chuck McCown 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

 

 

 
https://www.budcocable.com/AWSProducts/67662-C-14484-P-0/Coyote-COYDTC-004-DTC-Fiber-Optic-Drop-Termination-Closure-Kit

 

From:   dmmoff...@gmail.com 

Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 10:21 AM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

 

Is it a drop cable?

 

Preformed Line Products Coyote DTC.  

 

Our field guys call it a “pup”, because apparently Coyote=puppy.  

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 12:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

 

I have some locations I need to extend our Aviat fiber. Im having trouble 
finding a small splice case from legitimate vendors. I find weird chinese ones, 
but I dont know the product would even ship.

I just need to splice the two, one splice will sit behind a fixed ladder so its 
only got like 3 inches clearance.

  _  

-- 
AF mailing list
  AF@af.afmug.com
  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

[dmmoffett]

I forgot to ask if this was indoors.  Every link you’ve seen so far is an 
outdoor case.  They will work indoors just the same, and the DTC I believe has 
a couple of mounting holes to screw it to a wall.  DTC also has a snap on lid 
which you could pry off while reaching through the ladder. 

For indoor cases we usually get them from FIS.  A billion options there, but 
most of them have a swing open front door which will be an issue with a ladder 
3” in front of it.  Might just as well stick with the Coyote DTC with the pry 
off lid.

 

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 12:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

 

I have some locations I need to extend our Aviat fiber. Im having trouble 
finding a small splice case from legitimate vendors. I find weird chinese ones, 
but I dont know the product would even ship.

I just need to splice the two, one splice will sit behind a fixed ladder so its 
only got like 3 inches clearance.

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

[Jaime Solorza]

Yes sir.  I agree with you

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 7:48 AM Timothy Steele 
wrote:

> my company is doing overnight wireless network monitoring and proactive
> channel changes for a number of WISPs
> across the U.S
>
> I can say the whole state of Texas and L.A CA are the 2 worst areas I have
> seen DFS hits
>
> aside from military bases ducting also seems to affect it along with
> weather stations
>
> you can see a ducting radar here https://www.dxinfocentre.com/tropo.html
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 8:50 PM  wrote:
>
>> It’s all fun and games until you interfere with a military radar.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:48 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>>
>>
>>
>> Some devices if you factory default them you can pick a different country
>> on first bootup.  I knew a guy who used to set all of his Ubiquiti stuff to
>> “Hong Kong” so he could avoid power and DFS rules in 5.2-5.6ghz.
>> I am not recommending this course of action, and I would personally not
>> be comfortable with the liability (and bad neighborliness) that would come
>> with that, but it’s definitely a thing people do.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2022 6:58 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>>
>>
>>
>> Lol...don't US radios have US, Canada and Canada Licensed as options?
>>
>> Anyways ...these are not my radios...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 3:09 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Change your country code to Russia and you won’t have any DFS hits
>> anymore 😊
>> (not actually a good idea)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:35 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>>
>>
>>
>> This happened after 911 in Del Rio/Bracketville Texas areas...Tsunami ptp
>> links for hospital to clinic 5Ghz link...they would start at 6:00am and
>> stop at 9:00pm..
>>
>> Link would come back up!!
>>
>> It affected some VoiceStream (T-Mobile now) tower to tower links as
>> well..
>>
>> I believe the statute  of limitations is over, if not, this was a dream
>> ala Dallas episode.
>>
>> We ended  up putting  a parallel 2.4GHz link using two Teletronic
>> wireless router which supported bridge mode and had channel 14 with a
>> friendly 1 watt booster on the AP side...they would use it when they needed
>> to send X-rays only and turn it off when not in use.   They would transfer
>> files and updates at nightused it for several months after the Air
>> Force base went back to normal operations.
>>
>> No hablo...
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:15 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would not be suprised to see multiple avenues of interference near
>> military bases across all communication spectrum. There has got to be a lot
>> of testing taking place in the event things go in a southerly direction
>> over there and we have to either deploy or provide systems to interfere
>> with communication systems of scale over large geography.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 11:11 AM Larry Smith  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Quite a few military bases are ramping up activity due to
>> the situation in Ukraine I believe.
>>
>> --
>> Larry Smith
>> lesm...@ecsis.net
>>
>> On Tue March 15 2022 10:41, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> > Hello Fine Feathered Friends:
>> > Since last week several WISPs in the area have been getting DFS hits
>> which
>> > change their frequencies to the 5745MHz mostly!   They all have pops on
>> the
>> > Franklin Mountains which exposes them to radar signals from El Paso
>> > International Airport, Santa Teresa Airport, Fort Bliss, Biggs,
>> McGregor,
>> > and WSMR.
>> >
>> > It has never been this bad.any ideas?
>> > thx
>> > Jaime Solorza
>> > Wireless Systems Architect
>> > 915-861-1390
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] 3 Sectors posing as Omni

[Jaime Solorza]

Seavey engineering makes one

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 9:42 AM Steve Jones  wrote:

> That sounds like a kp performance
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 10:23 AM David Sovereen via AF 
> wrote:
>
>> I could have sworn that a few years ago, I saw a rather fat Omni that was
>> really 3 120-degree sectors in an omni form-factor.
>>
>> I would like to put one up to save on some tower rent cost, but am not
>> finding any.
>>
>> Does anyone else know where to find such a thing?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

[AFMUG] managed MUX?

[dmmoffett]

When people sell wavelengths as a service, how do you monitor that?  Is
there something like a "managed" mux that lets you see light levels on each
wavelength?

 

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] managed MUX?

[TJ Trout]

Roadm?

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:46 AM  wrote:

> When people sell wavelengths as a service, how do you monitor that?  Is
> there something like a “managed” mux that lets you see light levels on each
> wavelength?
>
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] managed MUX?

[Carl Peterson]

Yes.  Even passive gear can have a monitor port.
https://www.fs.com/products/33485.html

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 1:01 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> Roadm?
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:46 AM  wrote:
>
>> When people sell wavelengths as a service, how do you monitor that?  Is
>> there something like a “managed” mux that lets you see light levels on each
>> wavelength?
>>
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>


-- 

Carl Peterson

*PORT NETWORKS*

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] managed MUX?

[Ryan Ray]

https://www.fujitsu.com/us/products/network/products/virtuora

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 11:44 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Yes.  Even passive gear can have a monitor port.
> https://www.fs.com/products/33485.html
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 1:01 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
>> Roadm?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:46 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> When people sell wavelengths as a service, how do you monitor that?  Is
>>> there something like a “managed” mux that lets you see light levels on each
>>> wavelength?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> AF mailing list
>>> AF@af.afmug.com
>>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] managed MUX?

[dmmoffett]

Ok, so it says the monitor port gives you an x% split (from 1%-5%) of the light 
on each wavelength.  But what could I connect to the monitor port if I wanted 
to be able to remotely track received signal level on each wavelength?  

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 2:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed MUX?

 

Yes.  Even passive gear can have a monitor port.  
https://www.fs.com/products/33485.html 

 

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 1:01 PM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote:

Roadm?

 

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:46 AM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

When people sell wavelengths as a service, how do you monitor that?  Is there 
something like a “managed” mux that lets you see light levels on each 
wavelength?

 

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com




 

-- 

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

[Steve Jones]

this is the armored dual strand that Aviat sells with the WTM4200

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 11:35 AM  wrote:

> I forgot to ask if this was indoors.  Every link you’ve seen so far is an
> outdoor case.  They will work indoors just the same, and the DTC I believe
> has a couple of mounting holes to screw it to a wall.  DTC also has a snap
> on lid which you could pry off while reaching through the ladder.
>
> For indoor cases we usually get them from FIS.  A billion options there,
> but most of them have a swing open front door which will be an issue with a
> ladder 3” in front of it.  Might just as well stick with the Coyote DTC
> with the pry off lid.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 12:11 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Small dual splice case
>
>
>
> I have some locations I need to extend our Aviat fiber. Im having trouble
> finding a small splice case from legitimate vendors. I find weird chinese
> ones, but I dont know the product would even ship.
>
> I just need to splice the two, one splice will sit behind a fixed ladder
> so its only got like 3 inches clearance.
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

[Steve Jones]

outdoors

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 2:56 PM Steve Jones 
wrote:

> this is the armored dual strand that Aviat sells with the WTM4200
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 11:35 AM  wrote:
>
>> I forgot to ask if this was indoors.  Every link you’ve seen so far is an
>> outdoor case.  They will work indoors just the same, and the DTC I believe
>> has a couple of mounting holes to screw it to a wall.  DTC also has a snap
>> on lid which you could pry off while reaching through the ladder.
>>
>> For indoor cases we usually get them from FIS.  A billion options there,
>> but most of them have a swing open front door which will be an issue with a
>> ladder 3” in front of it.  Might just as well stick with the Coyote DTC
>> with the pry off lid.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 12:11 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Small dual splice case
>>
>>
>>
>> I have some locations I need to extend our Aviat fiber. Im having trouble
>> finding a small splice case from legitimate vendors. I find weird chinese
>> ones, but I dont know the product would even ship.
>>
>> I just need to splice the two, one splice will sit behind a fixed ladder
>> so its only got like 3 inches clearance.
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

[Steve Jones]

I get a kick out of the fact Texas Instruments designs missiles and
calculators

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM  wrote:

> Here’s the eye poker they should use on intentionally misconfigured
> systems:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 9:49 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>
>
>
> It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 3/16/2022 5:48 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> It’s all fun and games until you interfere with a military radar.
>
>
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com  
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:48 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>
>
>
> Some devices if you factory default them you can pick a different country
> on first bootup.  I knew a guy who used to set all of his Ubiquiti stuff to
> “Hong Kong” so he could avoid power and DFS rules in 5.2-5.6ghz.
> I am not recommending this course of action, and I would personally not be
> comfortable with the liability (and bad neighborliness) that would come
> with that, but it’s definitely a thing people do.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2022 6:58 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>
>
>
> Lol...don't US radios have US, Canada and Canada Licensed as options?
>
> Anyways ...these are not my radios...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 3:09 PM  wrote:
>
> Change your country code to Russia and you won’t have any DFS hits anymore
> 😊
> (not actually a good idea)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:35 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>
>
>
> This happened after 911 in Del Rio/Bracketville Texas areas...Tsunami ptp
> links for hospital to clinic 5Ghz link...they would start at 6:00am and
> stop at 9:00pm..
>
> Link would come back up!!
>
> It affected some VoiceStream (T-Mobile now) tower to tower links as
> well..
>
> I believe the statute  of limitations is over, if not, this was a dream
> ala Dallas episode.
>
> We ended  up putting  a parallel 2.4GHz link using two Teletronic wireless
> router which supported bridge mode and had channel 14 with a friendly 1
> watt booster on the AP side...they would use it when they needed to send
> X-rays only and turn it off when not in use.   They would transfer files
> and updates at nightused it for several months after the Air Force base
> went back to normal operations.
>
> No hablo...
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:15 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> I would not be suprised to see multiple avenues of interference near
> military bases across all communication spectrum. There has got to be a lot
> of testing taking place in the event things go in a southerly direction
> over there and we have to either deploy or provide systems to interfere
> with communication systems of scale over large geography.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 11:11 AM Larry Smith  wrote:
>
>
> Quite a few military bases are ramping up activity due to
> the situation in Ukraine I believe.
>
> --
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
>
> On Tue March 15 2022 10:41, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > Hello Fine Feathered Friends:
> > Since last week several WISPs in the area have been getting DFS hits
> which
> > change their frequencies to the 5745MHz mostly!   They all have pops on
> the
> > Franklin Mountains which exposes them to radar signals from El Paso
> > International Airport, Santa Teresa Airport, Fort Bliss, Biggs, McGregor,
> > and WSMR.
> >
> > It has never been this bad.any ideas?
> > thx
> > Jaime Solorza
> > Wireless Systems Architect
> > 915-861-1390
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
>
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

[dmmoffett]

I don’t know what that looks like. 

Coyote DTC includes grommets for the flat oval drop cable, but there are 
optional grommets for round cable, but being intended for service drop cable it 
has a pretty small maximum diameter.  

 

https://preformed.com/images/pdfs/Communications/Fiber_Networks/Coyote_Fiber_Optic_Closures/Coyote_DTC/COYOTE_DTC_Pages_from_CO-CA-1004-16_Fiber_Optics_catalog-2.pdf

 

Check the second page in that PDF and see if one of the optional grommet kits 
will match the diameter of your cable.

 

-Adam

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 3:56 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

 

this is the armored dual strand that Aviat sells with the WTM4200

 

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 11:35 AM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I forgot to ask if this was indoors.  Every link you’ve seen so far is an 
outdoor case.  They will work indoors just the same, and the DTC I believe has 
a couple of mounting holes to screw it to a wall.  DTC also has a snap on lid 
which you could pry off while reaching through the ladder. 

For indoor cases we usually get them from FIS.  A billion options there, but 
most of them have a swing open front door which will be an issue with a ladder 
3” in front of it.  Might just as well stick with the Coyote DTC with the pry 
off lid.

 

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 12:11 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

 

I have some locations I need to extend our Aviat fiber. Im having trouble 
finding a small splice case from legitimate vendors. I find weird chinese ones, 
but I dont know the product would even ship.

I just need to splice the two, one splice will sit behind a fixed ladder so its 
only got like 3 inches clearance.

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

[dmmoffett]

If it’s anything like the calculators then I bet that missile has a $10 
computer from Taiwan and the DOD pays $500k for it.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 3:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

I get a kick out of the fact Texas Instruments designs missiles and calculators

 

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Here’s the eye poker they should use on intentionally misconfigured systems:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 9:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye.

 

bp


On 3/16/2022 5:48 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com   wrote:

It’s all fun and games until you interfere with a military radar.

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com    
  
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:48 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'   

Subject: RE: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

Some devices if you factory default them you can pick a different country on 
first bootup.  I knew a guy who used to set all of his Ubiquiti stuff to “Hong 
Kong” so he could avoid power and DFS rules in 5.2-5.6ghz.  
I am not recommending this course of action, and I would personally not be 
comfortable with the liability (and bad neighborliness) that would come with 
that, but it’s definitely a thing people do.  

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 6:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

Lol...don't US radios have US, Canada and Canada Licensed as options?

Anyways ...these are not my radios...

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 3:09 PM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:

Change your country code to Russia and you won’t have any DFS hits anymore 😊
(not actually a good idea)

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

This happened after 911 in Del Rio/Bracketville Texas areas...Tsunami ptp links 
for hospital to clinic 5Ghz link...they would start at 6:00am and stop at 
9:00pm..

Link would come back up!!  

It affected some VoiceStream (T-Mobile now) tower to tower links as well..  

I believe the statute  of limitations is over, if not, this was a dream ala 
Dallas episode.

We ended  up putting  a parallel 2.4GHz link using two Teletronic wireless 
router which supported bridge mode and had channel 14 with a friendly 1 watt 
booster on the AP side...they would use it when they needed to send X-rays only 
and turn it off when not in use.   They would transfer files and updates at 
nightused it for several months after the Air Force base went back to 
normal operations.

No hablo...




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

 

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:15 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I would not be suprised to see multiple avenues of interference near military 
bases across all communication spectrum. There has got to be a lot of testing 
taking place in the event things go in a southerly direction over there and we 
have to either deploy or provide systems to interfere with communication 
systems of scale over large geography. 

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 11:11 AM Larry Smith mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net> > wrote:


Quite a few military bases are ramping up activity due to
the situation in Ukraine I believe.

-- 
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net  

On Tue March 15 2022 10:41, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Hello Fine Feathered Friends:
> Since last week several WISPs in the area have been getting DFS hits which
> change their frequencies to the 5745MHz mostly!   They all have pops on the
> Franklin Mountains which exposes them to radar signals from El Paso
> International Airport, Santa Teresa Airport, Fort Bliss, Biggs, McGregor,
> and WSMR.
>
> It has never been this bad.any ideas?
> thx
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

 

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

[Jaime Solorza]

Speaking of TI, many moons ago we set up some temporary 5GHz video links
using Trango radios for a TxDOT project in Dallas area...some of the
cameras and radios were installed on roof of TI building...as we were
escorted up the stairs by security, one of our tower guys called me on my
Engenius 900MHz cordless phone to say he was ready to align...the security
guard was surprised because he said the building was RF secure and they
blocked cellphones..
He asked to borrow it so they could check it out...lol..
Apparently the 1 watt and FHSS modulation used by these was not something
they were prepared for!!
We had a lot of fun with those phones..true full duplex and crystal clear..

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 1:59 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

> I get a kick out of the fact Texas Instruments designs missiles and
> calculators
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM  wrote:
>
>> Here’s the eye poker they should use on intentionally misconfigured
>> systems:
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 9:49 AM
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>>
>>
>>
>> It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 3/16/2022 5:48 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> It’s all fun and games until you interfere with a military radar.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com  
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:48 AM
>> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
>> 
>> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>>
>>
>>
>> Some devices if you factory default them you can pick a different country
>> on first bootup.  I knew a guy who used to set all of his Ubiquiti stuff to
>> “Hong Kong” so he could avoid power and DFS rules in 5.2-5.6ghz.
>> I am not recommending this course of action, and I would personally not
>> be comfortable with the liability (and bad neighborliness) that would come
>> with that, but it’s definitely a thing people do.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2022 6:58 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>>
>>
>>
>> Lol...don't US radios have US, Canada and Canada Licensed as options?
>>
>> Anyways ...these are not my radios...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 3:09 PM  wrote:
>>
>> Change your country code to Russia and you won’t have any DFS hits
>> anymore 😊
>> (not actually a good idea)
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:35 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>>
>>
>>
>> This happened after 911 in Del Rio/Bracketville Texas areas...Tsunami ptp
>> links for hospital to clinic 5Ghz link...they would start at 6:00am and
>> stop at 9:00pm..
>>
>> Link would come back up!!
>>
>> It affected some VoiceStream (T-Mobile now) tower to tower links as
>> well..
>>
>> I believe the statute  of limitations is over, if not, this was a dream
>> ala Dallas episode.
>>
>> We ended  up putting  a parallel 2.4GHz link using two Teletronic
>> wireless router which supported bridge mode and had channel 14 with a
>> friendly 1 watt booster on the AP side...they would use it when they needed
>> to send X-rays only and turn it off when not in use.   They would transfer
>> files and updates at nightused it for several months after the Air
>> Force base went back to normal operations.
>>
>> No hablo...
>>
>>
>> Jaime Solorza
>>
>> Wireless Systems Architect
>>
>> 915-861-1390
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:15 PM Steve Jones 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I would not be suprised to see multiple avenues of interference near
>> military bases across all communication spectrum. There has got to be a lot
>> of testing taking place in the event things go in a southerly direction
>> over there and we have to either deploy or provide systems to interfere
>> with communication systems of scale over large geography.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 11:11 AM Larry Smith  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Quite a few military bases are ramping up activity due to
>> the situation in Ukraine I believe.
>>
>> --
>> Larry Smith
>> lesm...@ecsis.net
>>
>> On Tue March 15 2022 10:41, Jaime Solorza wrote:
>> > Hello Fine Feathered Friends:
>> > Since last week several WISPs in the area have been getting DFS hits
>> which
>> > change their frequencies to the 5745MHz mostly!   They all have pops on
>> the
>> > Franklin Mountains which exposes them to radar signals from El Paso
>> > International Airport, Santa Teresa Airport, Fort Bliss, Biggs,
>> McGregor,
>> > and WSMR.
>> >
>> > It has never been this bad.any ideas?
>> > thx
>> > Jaime Solorza
>> > Wireless Systems Architect
>> > 915-861-1390
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_a

Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

[dmmoffett]

I wonder how they RF secure a whole building.  

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 4:20 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

Speaking of TI, many moons ago we set up some temporary 5GHz video links using 
Trango radios for a TxDOT project in Dallas area...some of the cameras and 
radios were installed on roof of TI building...as we were escorted up the 
stairs by security, one of our tower guys called me on my Engenius 900MHz 
cordless phone to say he was ready to align...the security guard was surprised 
because he said the building was RF secure and they blocked cellphones..

He asked to borrow it so they could check it out...lol..

Apparently the 1 watt and FHSS modulation used by these was not something they 
were prepared for!!

We had a lot of fun with those phones..true full duplex and crystal clear..

 

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 1:59 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I get a kick out of the fact Texas Instruments designs missiles and calculators

 

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Here’s the eye poker they should use on intentionally misconfigured systems:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 9:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye.

 

bp


On 3/16/2022 5:48 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com   wrote:

It’s all fun and games until you interfere with a military radar.

 

From: dmmoff...@gmail.com    
  
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:48 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'   

Subject: RE: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

Some devices if you factory default them you can pick a different country on 
first bootup.  I knew a guy who used to set all of his Ubiquiti stuff to “Hong 
Kong” so he could avoid power and DFS rules in 5.2-5.6ghz.  
I am not recommending this course of action, and I would personally not be 
comfortable with the liability (and bad neighborliness) that would come with 
that, but it’s definitely a thing people do.  

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 6:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

Lol...don't US radios have US, Canada and Canada Licensed as options?

Anyways ...these are not my radios...

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 3:09 PM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:

Change your country code to Russia and you won’t have any DFS hits anymore 😊
(not actually a good idea)

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:35 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

 

This happened after 911 in Del Rio/Bracketville Texas areas...Tsunami ptp links 
for hospital to clinic 5Ghz link...they would start at 6:00am and stop at 
9:00pm..

Link would come back up!!  

It affected some VoiceStream (T-Mobile now) tower to tower links as well..  

I believe the statute  of limitations is over, if not, this was a dream ala 
Dallas episode.

We ended  up putting  a parallel 2.4GHz link using two Teletronic wireless 
router which supported bridge mode and had channel 14 with a friendly 1 watt 
booster on the AP side...they would use it when they needed to send X-rays only 
and turn it off when not in use.   They would transfer files and updates at 
nightused it for several months after the Air Force base went back to 
normal operations.

No hablo...




Jaime Solorza

Wireless Systems Architect

915-861-1390

 

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:15 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I would not be suprised to see multiple avenues of interference near military 
bases across all communication spectrum. There has got to be a lot of testing 
taking place in the event things go in a southerly direction over there and we 
have to either deploy or provide systems to interfere with communication 
systems of scale over large geography. 

 

On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 11:11 AM Larry Smith mailto:lesm...@ecsis.net> > wrote:


Quite a few military bases are ramping up activity due to
the situation in Ukraine I believe.

-- 
Larry Smith
lesm...@ecsis.net  

On Tue March 15 2022 10:41, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> Hello Fine Feathered Friends:
> Since last week several WISPs in the area have been getting DFS hits which
> change their frequencies to the 5745MHz mostly!   They all have pops on the
> Franklin Mountains which exposes them to radar signals from El Paso
> International Airport, Santa Teresa Airport, Fort Bliss, Biggs, 

[AFMUG] DiviNetworks?

[Sam Lambie]

Who the heck are these guys and do they hassle you as much as they hassle
me via email every week?

-- 
-- 
*Sam Lambie*
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com 
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] managed MUX?

[castarritt]

If you want to see all wavelengths, you connect it to an optical
spectrum analyzer.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 2:54 PM  wrote:

> Ok, so it says the monitor port gives you an x% split (from 1%-5%) of the
> light on each wavelength.  But what could I connect to the monitor port if
> I wanted to be able to remotely track received signal level on each
> wavelength?
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Carl Peterson
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 2:43 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] managed MUX?
>
>
>
> Yes.  Even passive gear can have a monitor port.
> https://www.fs.com/products/33485.html
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 1:01 PM TJ Trout  wrote:
>
> Roadm?
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:46 AM  wrote:
>
> When people sell wavelengths as a service, how do you monitor that?  Is
> there something like a “managed” mux that lets you see light levels on each
> wavelength?
>
>
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Carl Peterson
>
> *PORT NETWORKS*
>
> 401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553
>
> Baltimore, MD 21202
>
> (410) 637-3707
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] managed MUX?

[dmmoffett]

Are any of those network manageable and something I could monitor with SNMP or 
are we talking about a handheld device that we have to go onsite for.

I guess I’m trying to figure on how we could integrate WDM as a service.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of castarritt
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 5:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed MUX?

 

If you want to see all wavelengths, you connect it to an optical spectrum 
analyzer.

 

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 2:54 PM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Ok, so it says the monitor port gives you an x% split (from 1%-5%) of the light 
on each wavelength.  But what could I connect to the monitor port if I wanted 
to be able to remotely track received signal level on each wavelength?  

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Carl Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 2:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] managed MUX?

 

Yes.  Even passive gear can have a monitor port.  
https://www.fs.com/products/33485.html 

 

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 1:01 PM TJ Trout mailto:t...@voltbb.com> > wrote:

Roadm?

 

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 10:46 AM mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

When people sell wavelengths as a service, how do you monitor that?  Is there 
something like a “managed” mux that lets you see light levels on each 
wavelength?

 

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com




 

-- 

Carl Peterson

PORT NETWORKS

401 E Pratt St, Ste 2553

Baltimore, MD 21202

(410) 637-3707 

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

[Jaime Solorza]

Faraday cage

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 3:18 PM  wrote:

> I wonder how they RF secure a whole building.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 4:20 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>
>
>
> Speaking of TI, many moons ago we set up some temporary 5GHz video links
> using Trango radios for a TxDOT project in Dallas area...some of the
> cameras and radios were installed on roof of TI building...as we were
> escorted up the stairs by security, one of our tower guys called me on my
> Engenius 900MHz cordless phone to say he was ready to align...the security
> guard was surprised because he said the building was RF secure and they
> blocked cellphones..
>
> He asked to borrow it so they could check it out...lol..
>
> Apparently the 1 watt and FHSS modulation used by these was not something
> they were prepared for!!
>
> We had a lot of fun with those phones..true full duplex and crystal clear..
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 1:59 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> I get a kick out of the fact Texas Instruments designs missiles and
> calculators
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM  wrote:
>
> Here’s the eye poker they should use on intentionally misconfigured
> systems:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 9:49 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>
>
>
> It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 3/16/2022 5:48 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> It’s all fun and games until you interfere with a military radar.
>
>
>
> *From:* dmmoff...@gmail.com  
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:48 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
> 
> *Subject:* RE: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>
>
>
> Some devices if you factory default them you can pick a different country
> on first bootup.  I knew a guy who used to set all of his Ubiquiti stuff to
> “Hong Kong” so he could avoid power and DFS rules in 5.2-5.6ghz.
> I am not recommending this course of action, and I would personally not be
> comfortable with the liability (and bad neighborliness) that would come
> with that, but it’s definitely a thing people do.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2022 6:58 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>
>
>
> Lol...don't US radios have US, Canada and Canada Licensed as options?
>
> Anyways ...these are not my radios...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 3:09 PM  wrote:
>
> Change your country code to Russia and you won’t have any DFS hits anymore
> 😊
> (not actually a good idea)
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Jaime Solorza
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:35 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area
>
>
>
> This happened after 911 in Del Rio/Bracketville Texas areas...Tsunami ptp
> links for hospital to clinic 5Ghz link...they would start at 6:00am and
> stop at 9:00pm..
>
> Link would come back up!!
>
> It affected some VoiceStream (T-Mobile now) tower to tower links as
> well..
>
> I believe the statute  of limitations is over, if not, this was a dream
> ala Dallas episode.
>
> We ended  up putting  a parallel 2.4GHz link using two Teletronic wireless
> router which supported bridge mode and had channel 14 with a friendly 1
> watt booster on the AP side...they would use it when they needed to send
> X-rays only and turn it off when not in use.   They would transfer files
> and updates at nightused it for several months after the Air Force base
> went back to normal operations.
>
> No hablo...
>
>
> Jaime Solorza
>
> Wireless Systems Architect
>
> 915-861-1390
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:15 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> I would not be suprised to see multiple avenues of interference near
> military bases across all communication spectrum. There has got to be a lot
> of testing taking place in the event things go in a southerly direction
> over there and we have to either deploy or provide systems to interfere
> with communication systems of scale over large geography.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 11:11 AM Larry Smith  wrote:
>
>
> Quite a few military bases are ramping up activity due to
> the situation in Ukraine I believe.
>
> --
> Larry Smith
> lesm...@ecsis.net
>
> On Tue March 15 2022 10:41, Jaime Solorza wrote:
> > Hello Fine Feathered Friends:
> > Since last week several WISPs in the area have been getting DFS hits
> which
> > change their frequencies to the 5745MHz mostly!   They all have pops on
> the
> > Franklin Mountains which exposes them to radar signals from El Paso
> > International Airport, Santa Teresa Airport, Fort Bliss, Biggs, McGregor,
> > and WSMR.
> >
> > It has never been this bad.any ideas?
> > thx
> > Jaime Solorza
> > Wireless Systems Architect
> > 915-861-1390
>
> --
> AF

Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

[Chuck McCown via AF]

That is why Starlink told those in Ukraine to be careful in using their system. 
 

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 4:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area

Faraday cage

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 3:18 PM  wrote:

  I wonder how they RF secure a whole building.  



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 4:20 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area



  Speaking of TI, many moons ago we set up some temporary 5GHz video links 
using Trango radios for a TxDOT project in Dallas area...some of the cameras 
and radios were installed on roof of TI building...as we were escorted up the 
stairs by security, one of our tower guys called me on my Engenius 900MHz 
cordless phone to say he was ready to align...the security guard was surprised 
because he said the building was RF secure and they blocked cellphones..

  He asked to borrow it so they could check it out...lol..

  Apparently the 1 watt and FHSS modulation used by these was not something 
they were prepared for!!

  We had a lot of fun with those phones..true full duplex and crystal clear..



  On Wed, Mar 16, 2022, 1:59 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

I get a kick out of the fact Texas Instruments designs missiles and 
calculators



On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 9:59 AM  wrote:

  Here’s the eye poker they should use on intentionally misconfigured 
systems:

  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-88_HARM





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
  Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 9:49 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area



  It's all fun and games until somebody loses an eye.



bpOn 3/16/2022 5:48 AM, dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

It’s all fun and games until you interfere with a military radar.



From: dmmoff...@gmail.com mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2022 8:48 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: RE: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area



Some devices if you factory default them you can pick a different 
country on first bootup.  I knew a guy who used to set all of his Ubiquiti 
stuff to “Hong Kong” so he could avoid power and DFS rules in 5.2-5.6ghz.  
I am not recommending this course of action, and I would personally not 
be comfortable with the liability (and bad neighborliness) that would come with 
that, but it’s definitely a thing people do.  





From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 6:58 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area



Lol...don't US radios have US, Canada and Canada Licensed as options?

Anyways ...these are not my radios...



On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 3:09 PM  wrote:

  Change your country code to Russia and you won’t have any DFS hits 
anymore 😊
  (not actually a good idea)



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Jaime Solorza
  Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2022 2:35 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] DFS Hits El Paso Area



  This happened after 911 in Del Rio/Bracketville Texas areas...Tsunami 
ptp links for hospital to clinic 5Ghz link...they would start at 6:00am and 
stop at 9:00pm..

  Link would come back up!!  

  It affected some VoiceStream (T-Mobile now) tower to tower links as 
well..  

  I believe the statute  of limitations is over, if not, this was a 
dream ala Dallas episode.

  We ended  up putting  a parallel 2.4GHz link using two Teletronic 
wireless router which supported bridge mode and had channel 14 with a friendly 
1 watt booster on the AP side...they would use it when they needed to send 
X-rays only and turn it off when not in use.   They would transfer files and 
updates at nightused it for several months after the Air Force base went 
back to normal operations.

  No hablo...




  Jaime Solorza

  Wireless Systems Architect

  915-861-1390





  On Tue, Mar 15, 2022 at 12:15 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

I would not be suprised to see multiple avenues of interference 
near military bases across all communication spectrum. There has got to be a 
lot of testing taking place in the event things go in a southerly direction 
over there and we have to either deploy or provide systems to interfere with 
communication systems of scale over large geography. 



On Tue, Mar 15, 2022, 11:11 AM Larry Smith  
wrote:


  Quite a few military bases are ramping up activity due to
  the situation in Ukraine I believe.

  -- 
  Larry Smith
  lesm...@ecsis.net

  On Tue March 15 2022 10:41, Jaime Solorza wrote:
  > Hello Fine Feathered Frie

Re: [AFMUG] DiviNetworks?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Haven't heard of them. You musta tickled the wrong bot.


bp

On 3/16/2022 2:19 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:


  
  Who the heck are these guys and do they hassle you
as much as they hassle me via email every week?

  -- 
  -- 
Sam Lambie
Taosnet Wireless Tech.
575-758-7598 Office
www.Taosnet.com

  
  
  

  


-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

[TJ Trout]

Why not just replace the cable with the correct length? you can use the FS
ftta or aviat cables, or epcom has them dirt cheap for duplex smf lc

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 1:07 PM  wrote:

> I don’t know what that looks like.
>
> Coyote DTC includes grommets for the flat oval drop cable, but there are
> optional grommets for round cable, but being intended for service drop
> cable it has a pretty small maximum diameter.
>
>
>
>
> https://preformed.com/images/pdfs/Communications/Fiber_Networks/Coyote_Fiber_Optic_Closures/Coyote_DTC/COYOTE_DTC_Pages_from_CO-CA-1004-16_Fiber_Optics_catalog-2.pdf
>
>
>
> Check the second page in that PDF and see if one of the optional grommet
> kits will match the diameter of your cable.
>
>
>
> -Adam
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 3:56 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case
>
>
>
> this is the armored dual strand that Aviat sells with the WTM4200
>
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 11:35 AM  wrote:
>
> I forgot to ask if this was indoors.  Every link you’ve seen so far is an
> outdoor case.  They will work indoors just the same, and the DTC I believe
> has a couple of mounting holes to screw it to a wall.  DTC also has a snap
> on lid which you could pry off while reaching through the ladder.
>
> For indoor cases we usually get them from FIS.  A billion options there,
> but most of them have a swing open front door which will be an issue with a
> ladder 3” in front of it.  Might just as well stick with the Coyote DTC
> with the pry off lid.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 12:11 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Small dual splice case
>
>
>
> I have some locations I need to extend our Aviat fiber. Im having trouble
> finding a small splice case from legitimate vendors. I find weird chinese
> ones, but I dont know the product would even ship.
>
> I just need to splice the two, one splice will sit behind a fixed ladder
> so its only got like 3 inches clearance.
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] DiviNetworks?

[Steve Jones]

We are finally looking at them, I believe this was the outfit WISPA pimped
our contacts too. Seems like a covert botnet for very little comparable
revenue

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 6:45 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Haven't heard of them. You musta tickled the wrong bot.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 3/16/2022 2:19 PM, Sam Lambie wrote:
>
> Who the heck are these guys and do they hassle you as much as they hassle
> me via email every week?
>
> --
> --
> *Sam Lambie*
> Taosnet Wireless Tech.
> 575-758-7598 Office
> www.Taosnet.com 
>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case

[Steve Jones]

Because theyre installed and theyre only like 10 feet short. but it may
come to that.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 7:39 PM TJ Trout  wrote:

> Why not just replace the cable with the correct length? you can use the FS
> ftta or aviat cables, or epcom has them dirt cheap for duplex smf lc
>
> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 1:07 PM  wrote:
>
>> I don’t know what that looks like.
>>
>> Coyote DTC includes grommets for the flat oval drop cable, but there are
>> optional grommets for round cable, but being intended for service drop
>> cable it has a pretty small maximum diameter.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://preformed.com/images/pdfs/Communications/Fiber_Networks/Coyote_Fiber_Optic_Closures/Coyote_DTC/COYOTE_DTC_Pages_from_CO-CA-1004-16_Fiber_Optics_catalog-2.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> Check the second page in that PDF and see if one of the optional grommet
>> kits will match the diameter of your cable.
>>
>>
>>
>> -Adam
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 3:56 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Small dual splice case
>>
>>
>>
>> this is the armored dual strand that Aviat sells with the WTM4200
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 16, 2022 at 11:35 AM  wrote:
>>
>> I forgot to ask if this was indoors.  Every link you’ve seen so far is an
>> outdoor case.  They will work indoors just the same, and the DTC I believe
>> has a couple of mounting holes to screw it to a wall.  DTC also has a snap
>> on lid which you could pry off while reaching through the ladder.
>>
>> For indoor cases we usually get them from FIS.  A billion options there,
>> but most of them have a swing open front door which will be an issue with a
>> ladder 3” in front of it.  Might just as well stick with the Coyote DTC
>> with the pry off lid.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 16, 2022 12:11 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Small dual splice case
>>
>>
>>
>> I have some locations I need to extend our Aviat fiber. Im having trouble
>> finding a small splice case from legitimate vendors. I find weird chinese
>> ones, but I dont know the product would even ship.
>>
>> I just need to splice the two, one splice will sit behind a fixed ladder
>> so its only got like 3 inches clearance.
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
>> --
>> AF mailing list
>> AF@af.afmug.com
>> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>>
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
>
-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com