Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[David Coudron]

Thanks Colin,

I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It looks like 
it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the ones we 
are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be an option, 
but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a large diameter 
without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom truck, but are planning 
to do our work from the ladder and attach our equipment close to the ladder for 
serviceability.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Oh, here there are some. Banding and tension tool: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=29

Clamps that work with the banding, although these are a smaller model that may 
be more for cable than pipes: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=75

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 10:05 PM Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
What is the diameter? If not too big, you may find some of the chimney mounts 
here useful: https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=776

It may be easier to put your own metal band setup, there must be some specific 
blocks that you can use to both tension them and create a solid mounting point.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 9:59 PM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
We have a new project in which we will be using cement stave solid for a couple 
of tower locations.They aren’t ideal for our application, but they are the 
only tall structures in the area we need two towers and the project has to be 
complete by the end of the year, so we are not going to have time to build any 
kind of alternate structure.   The silos have a round metal band that runs 
horizontally around each level of the cement staves.   We plan to attached a 
pole vertically to several of those bands so that we can mount our equipment 
on.   Each pole will be attached to 3-4 of the bands.  We are wondering if 
anyone has done that in the past and what they have used.   Our go to bracket 
for towers is the M-TOW-A from Chuck, but they aren’t the right application for 
this.   Chuck, I don’t know if you have something else that would work better, 
or has anyone seem a bracket/clamp that works well for this application?   We 
are thinking a clam type clamp that clamps to the horizontal metal band (it is 
tough to get a bracket between the metal band and the cement stave) and will 
clamp to a vertical pole would be a winner, but haven’t seen anything like 
this.   Anyone done this in the past?

Regards,

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Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[Ken Hohhof]

We haven’t done it, but other WISPs in the area typically put Rohn 25G sections 
next to the silo attached to the bands.  If necessary, they extend the tower 
above the top of the silo.  I think there have been threads in the past where 
people posted photos of how they attached to the bands.  The tower makes it 
easy and safe to climb, you say your silos have ladders.  I’ve seen some where 
you literally have to “climb the bands”.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of David Coudron
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 4:28 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

 

Thanks Colin,

 

I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It looks like 
it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the ones we 
are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be an option, 
but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a large diameter 
without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom truck, but are planning 
to do our work from the ladder and attach our equipment close to the ladder for 
serviceability.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

 

Oh, here there are some. Banding and tension tool: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list 
 &c=29 

 

Clamps that work with the banding, although these are a smaller model that may 
be more for cable than pipes: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail 
 &p=75

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 10:05 PM Colin Stanners mailto:cstann...@gmail.com> > wrote:

What is the diameter? If not too big, you may find some of the chimney mounts 
here useful: https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list 
 &c=776

 

It may be easier to put your own metal band setup, there must be some specific 
blocks that you can use to both tension them and create a solid mounting point.

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 9:59 PM David Coudron mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com> > wrote:

We have a new project in which we will be using cement stave solid for a couple 
of tower locations.They aren’t ideal for our application, but they are the 
only tall structures in the area we need two towers and the project has to be 
complete by the end of the year, so we are not going to have time to build any 
kind of alternate structure.   The silos have a round metal band that runs 
horizontally around each level of the cement staves.   We plan to attached a 
pole vertically to several of those bands so that we can mount our equipment 
on.   Each pole will be attached to 3-4 of the bands.  We are wondering if 
anyone has done that in the past and what they have used.   Our go to bracket 
for towers is the M-TOW-A from Chuck, but they aren’t the right application for 
this.   Chuck, I don’t know if you have something else that would work better, 
or has anyone seem a bracket/clamp that works well for this application?   We 
are thinking a clam type clamp that clamps to the horizontal metal band (it is 
tough to get a bracket between the metal band and the cement stave) and will 
clamp to a vertical pole would be a winner, but haven’t seen anything like 
this.   Anyone done this in the past?

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

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Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[Chuck McCown]

Weld to the bands?

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> On Oct 7, 2020, at 3:28 AM, David Coudron  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Colin,
>  
> I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It looks 
> like it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the 
> ones we are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be an 
> option, but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a large 
> diameter without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom truck, but 
> are planning to do our work from the ladder and attach our equipment close to 
> the ladder for serviceability.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> David Coudron
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos
>  
> Oh, here there are some. Banding and tension tool: 
> https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=29 
>  
> Clamps that work with the banding, although these are a smaller model that 
> may be more for cable than pipes: 
> https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=75
>  
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 10:05 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:
> What is the diameter? If not too big, you may find some of the chimney mounts 
> here useful: https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=776
>  
> It may be easier to put your own metal band setup, there must be some 
> specific blocks that you can use to both tension them and create a solid 
> mounting point.
>  
> 
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 9:59 PM David Coudron  
> wrote:
> We have a new project in which we will be using cement stave solid for a 
> couple of tower locations.They aren’t ideal for our application, but they 
> are the only tall structures in the area we need two towers and the project 
> has to be complete by the end of the year, so we are not going to have time 
> to build any kind of alternate structure.   The silos have a round metal band 
> that runs horizontally around each level of the cement staves.   We plan to 
> attached a pole vertically to several of those bands so that we can mount our 
> equipment on.   Each pole will be attached to 3-4 of the bands.  We are 
> wondering if anyone has done that in the past and what they have used.   Our 
> go to bracket for towers is the M-TOW-A from Chuck, but they aren’t the right 
> application for this.   Chuck, I don’t know if you have something else that 
> would work better, or has anyone seem a bracket/clamp that works well for 
> this application?   We are thinking a clam type clamp that clamps to the 
> horizontal metal band (it is tough to get a bracket between the metal band 
> and the cement stave) and will clamp to a vertical pole would be a winner, 
> but haven’t seen anything like this.   Anyone done this in the past?
>  
> Regards,
>  
> David Coudron
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Re: [AFMUG] drop splicers

[fiberrun]

I have one of those SignalFire fusion splicers. They are sold all over the 
place by different vendors and different brand names.

In short, it works and it does what it says on the tin. It can be a bit fiddly 
and annoying at times, but it gets the job done.

Main annoyances:
- no removable fiber holders. Leads to fiddling around in order to get the 
fibers in place, as the splicers will claim missing fiber if it isn't in "the 
zone".  This can get really annoying if the fibers are from spiral tubes and 
the fibers retain a curve, as there isn't much space to hold down the fiber 
straight when closing the clamps. Once the fibers are in place the splicer is 
fully automatic.
- the splicer wants to connect over Bluetooth to the companion app every time 
it is powered on and won't function before connecting. The app wouldn't connect 
over Bluetooth using an older iPhone which was frustrating.
- the oven doesn't close automatically when a splice is inserted. It has to be 
closed manually.

On the upside, it's reasonably fast and easy to disassemble/reassemble. This I 
found out when I had to open it to reseat a loose camera connector.

In conclusion, it's fine for drop splicing where an additional minute here or 
there doesn't matter much, but not something I'd use for large count splicing.

Since the SignalFire splicer experience wasn't exciting enough, I guess I 
should get one of those sub-$500 splicers from Ali* next :)


Jared




Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2020 
From: "Chuck McCown" 
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] drop splicers

Have you used these?
 
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https://www.amazon.com/YEDEMC-Automatic-Optical-Welding-Splicing/dp/B07CNQVK4W
 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/fispstuff/permalink/1307514506265785[https://www.facebook.com/groups/fispstuff/permalink/1307514506265785]
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A while back there was a discussion about hand held fusion splicers for drops.  
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crews. 
 
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Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[David Coudron]

Not a bad idea, we hadn’t thought of that one.   The silo owners might be 
nervous about that, but it shouldn’t put any noticeable metal fatigue on the 
bands due to welding.  We’ll ask about that.   You don’t have any tower mounts 
that clamp down to ¾” in diameter do you?   Clamping around it and welding at 
the same time would really give it some strength.

We have worked on one silo in the past that used Ken’s suggestion of the Rohn 
clamped to it.   That would definitely work, we were just hoping for something 
that would be quicker to implement.

As always, we appreciate the ideas,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 6:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Weld to the bands?
Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 7, 2020, at 3:28 AM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

Thanks Colin,

I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It looks like 
it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the ones we 
are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be an option, 
but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a large diameter 
without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom truck, but are planning 
to do our work from the ladder and attach our equipment close to the ladder for 
serviceability.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Oh, here there are some. Banding and tension tool: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=29

Clamps that work with the banding, although these are a smaller model that may 
be more for cable than pipes: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=75

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 10:05 PM Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
What is the diameter? If not too big, you may find some of the chimney mounts 
here useful: https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=776

It may be easier to put your own metal band setup, there must be some specific 
blocks that you can use to both tension them and create a solid mounting point.

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 9:59 PM David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:
We have a new project in which we will be using cement stave solid for a couple 
of tower locations.They aren’t ideal for our application, but they are the 
only tall structures in the area we need two towers and the project has to be 
complete by the end of the year, so we are not going to have time to build any 
kind of alternate structure.   The silos have a round metal band that runs 
horizontally around each level of the cement staves.   We plan to attached a 
pole vertically to several of those bands so that we can mount our equipment 
on.   Each pole will be attached to 3-4 of the bands.  We are wondering if 
anyone has done that in the past and what they have used.   Our go to bracket 
for towers is the M-TOW-A from Chuck, but they aren’t the right application for 
this.   Chuck, I don’t know if you have something else that would work better, 
or has anyone seem a bracket/clamp that works well for this application?   We 
are thinking a clam type clamp that clamps to the horizontal metal band (it is 
tough to get a bracket between the metal band and the cement stave) and will 
clamp to a vertical pole would be a winner, but haven’t seen anything like 
this.   Anyone done this in the past?

Regards,

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Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[Chuck McCown]

I don’t have anything that will clamp that small but I have seen unistrut hung 
off of rod clamps by electricians.

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> On Oct 7, 2020, at 6:05 AM, David Coudron  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Not a bad idea, we hadn’t thought of that one.   The silo owners might be 
> nervous about that, but it shouldn’t put any noticeable metal fatigue on the 
> bands due to welding.  We’ll ask about that.   You don’t have any tower 
> mounts that clamp down to ¾” in diameter do you?   Clamping around it and 
> welding at the same time would really give it some strength.
>  
> We have worked on one silo in the past that used Ken’s suggestion of the Rohn 
> clamped to it.   That would definitely work, we were just hoping for 
> something that would be quicker to implement. 
>  
> As always, we appreciate the ideas,
>  
> David Coudron
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 6:49 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos
>  
> Weld to the bands?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Oct 7, 2020, at 3:28 AM, David Coudron  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Colin,
>  
> I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It looks 
> like it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the 
> ones we are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be an 
> option, but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a large 
> diameter without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom truck, but 
> are planning to do our work from the ladder and attach our equipment close to 
> the ladder for serviceability.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> David Coudron
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos
>  
> Oh, here there are some. Banding and tension tool: 
> https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=29 
>  
> Clamps that work with the banding, although these are a smaller model that 
> may be more for cable than pipes: 
> https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=75
>  
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 10:05 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:
> What is the diameter? If not too big, you may find some of the chimney mounts 
> here useful: https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=776
>  
> It may be easier to put your own metal band setup, there must be some 
> specific blocks that you can use to both tension them and create a solid 
> mounting point.
>  
> 
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 9:59 PM David Coudron  
> wrote:
> We have a new project in which we will be using cement stave solid for a 
> couple of tower locations.They aren’t ideal for our application, but they 
> are the only tall structures in the area we need two towers and the project 
> has to be complete by the end of the year, so we are not going to have time 
> to build any kind of alternate structure.   The silos have a round metal band 
> that runs horizontally around each level of the cement staves.   We plan to 
> attached a pole vertically to several of those bands so that we can mount our 
> equipment on.   Each pole will be attached to 3-4 of the bands.  We are 
> wondering if anyone has done that in the past and what they have used.   Our 
> go to bracket for towers is the M-TOW-A from Chuck, but they aren’t the right 
> application for this.   Chuck, I don’t know if you have something else that 
> would work better, or has anyone seem a bracket/clamp that works well for 
> this application?   We are thinking a clam type clamp that clamps to the 
> horizontal metal band (it is tough to get a bracket between the metal band 
> and the cement stave) and will clamp to a vertical pole would be a winner, 
> but haven’t seen anything like this.   Anyone done this in the past?
>  
> Regards,
>  
> David Coudron
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Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[Chuck McCown]

Google this:
Parallel Beam Clamp, 3/4 in., 316 SS, 

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> On Oct 7, 2020, at 6:05 AM, David Coudron  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Not a bad idea, we hadn’t thought of that one.   The silo owners might be 
> nervous about that, but it shouldn’t put any noticeable metal fatigue on the 
> bands due to welding.  We’ll ask about that.   You don’t have any tower 
> mounts that clamp down to ¾” in diameter do you?   Clamping around it and 
> welding at the same time would really give it some strength.
>  
> We have worked on one silo in the past that used Ken’s suggestion of the Rohn 
> clamped to it.   That would definitely work, we were just hoping for 
> something that would be quicker to implement. 
>  
> As always, we appreciate the ideas,
>  
> David Coudron
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 6:49 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos
>  
> Weld to the bands?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Oct 7, 2020, at 3:28 AM, David Coudron  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks Colin,
>  
> I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It looks 
> like it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the 
> ones we are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be an 
> option, but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a large 
> diameter without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom truck, but 
> are planning to do our work from the ladder and attach our equipment close to 
> the ladder for serviceability.
>  
> Regards,
>  
> David Coudron
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos
>  
> Oh, here there are some. Banding and tension tool: 
> https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=29 
>  
> Clamps that work with the banding, although these are a smaller model that 
> may be more for cable than pipes: 
> https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=75
>  
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 10:05 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:
> What is the diameter? If not too big, you may find some of the chimney mounts 
> here useful: https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=776
>  
> It may be easier to put your own metal band setup, there must be some 
> specific blocks that you can use to both tension them and create a solid 
> mounting point.
>  
> 
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 9:59 PM David Coudron  
> wrote:
> We have a new project in which we will be using cement stave solid for a 
> couple of tower locations.They aren’t ideal for our application, but they 
> are the only tall structures in the area we need two towers and the project 
> has to be complete by the end of the year, so we are not going to have time 
> to build any kind of alternate structure.   The silos have a round metal band 
> that runs horizontally around each level of the cement staves.   We plan to 
> attached a pole vertically to several of those bands so that we can mount our 
> equipment on.   Each pole will be attached to 3-4 of the bands.  We are 
> wondering if anyone has done that in the past and what they have used.   Our 
> go to bracket for towers is the M-TOW-A from Chuck, but they aren’t the right 
> application for this.   Chuck, I don’t know if you have something else that 
> would work better, or has anyone seem a bracket/clamp that works well for 
> this application?   We are thinking a clam type clamp that clamps to the 
> horizontal metal band (it is tough to get a bracket between the metal band 
> and the cement stave) and will clamp to a vertical pole would be a winner, 
> but haven’t seen anything like this.   Anyone done this in the past?
>  
> Regards,
>  
> David Coudron
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[Chuck McCown]

I choose moderation in all things.

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> On Oct 7, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
> 
> 
> The medal hanging in the center of Star Trek Q's chest appears to be a sheep. 
>  Oddly relevant.  The shepherd known as QAnon convinces his sheep that 
> they're the enlightened ones and the non-believers are the real sheep.  
> 
> 
> 
> I know some of you are more worried about the left wing radicals who need to 
> battle fascism and white supremacists which actually exist in the US only in 
> scattered hundreds with no political or cultural relevance. The right wing 
> ones frighten the hell out of me with their need to battle the pedophile 
> cannibals who are completely imaginary.  A lot of people on both of these 
> wings imagine that the silent majority secretly supports them.   I think the 
> silent majority is silent for the same reason you silently ignore a raving 
> street preacher.  Meanwhile a lot of politicians have noted that the loud and 
> crazy people are more motivated to vote.   
> 
> 
> 
> Actual policy discussion becomes mired in the craziness.  "Oh you like free 
> markets?  Must be a white supremacist."  
> 
> "Oh you're concerned the American police resort to violence more often than 
> those in other countries.  You're a pawn of the pedophile cannibal cabal."  
> Interesting times.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 10/6/2020 6:26 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Bill Prince" 
>> To: af@af.afmug.com
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 5:23:18 PM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal
>> 
>> Q is the supposed "leader" of Qanon. Personally, I think there is probably 
>> more than one Q, and they may or may not coordinate their message(s). I 
>> think they could be more effective if they weren't so out and out bonkers. 
>> Eat babies? really?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> On 10/6/2020 10:58 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> is that a real conspiracy?
>> 
>> My wife had a friend over the other day, first time I ever met a real Q 
>> believer. weird shit. is Q not the same as Qanon? cause Qanon I always 
>> thought was just some guy that posted vague stuff and was supposedly in the 
>> administration. Q people think the rich eat babies and some lady who just 
>> had a miscarriage, cristy tegan or something, uses the code pizza, for 
>> little girls and always instagrams about pizza. weird shit
>> 
>> I think HOAs operate on different rules, since its a "voluntary" entry into 
>> them. Ive never looked too deep into it cause id never be in one, id put an 
>> air hose up my back first. but the contracts must give up a great deal of 
>> private property rights including waiving otard stuff
>> 
>> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 9:23 AM Robert  wrote:
>>> Google uses low frequency brain stimulation..  Whenever you use their 
>>> browser and the volume isn't turned off.
>>> 
>>> On 10/6/20 7:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>>> Messaging is king of all I suppose.
>>> 
>>> If you were Google, people would believe that you magically give it away 
>>> for free.  Since you're not Google they'll assume some kind of robbery or 
>>> graft.  I don't know how Google pulls off that kind of public relations 
>>> coup.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/6/2020 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>>> But it is free!  Comes with HOA dues.  Such a deal.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Oct 6, 2020, at 7:58 AM, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> If I was in charge of laws, they wouldn't be so legalistic.  
>>> 
>>> You don't have exclusivity per se, but in de facto nobody will buy anything 
>>> else when they're already forced to pay you whether they like it or not.  
>>> They'd have to actively hate you before they'll even consider something 
>>> else.  You'd have to steal their birthdays before they consider another 
>>> option, and you'd have to violate their daughters before they're willing to 
>>> pay what the installation of the other option will actually cost.
>>> 
>>> .that doesn't make it a bad deal for you, of course.  Competitors will 
>>> cry foul because you can make money and they can't, but that doesn't mean 
>>> they wouldn't do the same thing if they could.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/5/2020 8:05 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>>  
>>> We don’t have exclusivity, we just have a service included in HOA fees.  
>>> They can have any service provider they want.
>>> But the service provider will have to do an overbuild into a saturated 
>>> area.  I would bet they will not do it. 
>>>  
>>> From: Mark Radabaugh
>>> Sent: Monday, October 5, 2020 5:52 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal
>>>  
>>> https://www.keglerbrown.com/publications/mdus-vs-the-fcc-exclusivity-service-agreements-with-cable-and-internet-providers/
>>> https://www.nexttv.com/news/fcc-bans-exclusive-mdu-deals-296566
>>> FCC Bans Exclusivity Cont

Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[Adam Moffett]

On 10/6/2020 3:20 PM, John Osmon wrote:

On Mon, Oct 05, 2020 at 02:20:24PM -0600, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am getting some traction with developers for my fiber.  They want me
to come in, they will put the subscription to my service as part of
the HOA fees.  They will not let others in the ditch.  All for 10% of
the gross.  So I get 100% take rate.  I am not unhappy with the deal.
But I am wondering about agreeing to a perpetual royalty.  Anyone else
done one of these deals?

I'd be tempted to do it as two companies.

Company the first:  FTTH provider.  Layer 1/2 aggregator
Company the second: ISP

HOA fees cover an ethernet/PON connection to a head end.  The ISP can
connect to any homeowner at the headend.

The fiber company will make money in perpetuity.  The ISP can make money
as long as they serve the customers wishes.


The value might be in perception more than anything.  If the developer 
was wary about being trapped with an ISP they hate later, then something 
like that might appease them.



I'm also a big proponent of structural separation.  In my world, anyone
that uses the public ROW would be prohibited from being an ISP.


Yeahbut you're not plugging the same fiber into multiple OLT's. This 
would be a mandate for a central split architecture.  If you built 
distributed split and didn't include lots of surplus fibers then you're 
still basically stuck with one provider.  I'd be annoyed if last mile 
network design became accidentally enshrined in law.



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Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[Brian Webster]

This discussion came up a few years ago and I am not sure it was on this list 
or not. A WISP had actually had some brackets made up for this exact purpose. 
As I recall they brackets clamped on to a few rings to spread the load and 
there was a vertical member that was used to attach a pip to. The bracket Chuck 
just suggest to google for in conjunction with unistrut might work similarly.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 9:54 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

 

Google this:


Parallel Beam Clamp, 3/4 in., 316 SS, 


 

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 7, 2020, at 6:05 AM, David Coudron  wrote:

 

Not a bad idea, we hadn’t thought of that one.   The silo owners might be 
nervous about that, but it shouldn’t put any noticeable metal fatigue on the 
bands due to welding.  We’ll ask about that.   You don’t have any tower mounts 
that clamp down to ¾” in diameter do you?   Clamping around it and welding at 
the same time would really give it some strength.

 

We have worked on one silo in the past that used Ken’s suggestion of the Rohn 
clamped to it.   That would definitely work, we were just hoping for something 
that would be quicker to implement.  

 

As always, we appreciate the ideas,

 

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 6:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

 

Weld to the bands?

Sent from my iPhone






On Oct 7, 2020, at 3:28 AM, David Coudron  wrote:

 

Thanks Colin,

 

I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It looks like 
it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the ones we 
are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be an option, 
but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a large diameter 
without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom truck, but are planning 
to do our work from the ladder and attach our equipment close to the ladder for 
serviceability.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

 

Oh, here there are some. Banding and tension tool: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list 
 &c=29 

 

Clamps that work with the banding, although these are a smaller model that may 
be more for cable than pipes: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail 
 &p=75

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 10:05 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:

What is the diameter? If not too big, you may find some of the chimney mounts 
here useful: https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list 
 &c=776

 

It may be easier to put your own metal band setup, there must be some specific 
blocks that you can use to both tension them and create a solid mounting point.

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 9:59 PM David Coudron  wrote:

We have a new project in which we will be using cement stave solid for a couple 
of tower locations.They aren’t ideal for our application, but they are the 
only tall structures in the area we need two towers and the project has to be 
complete by the end of the year, so we are not going to have time to build any 
kind of alternate structure.   The silos have a round metal band that runs 
horizontally around each level of the cement staves.   We plan to attached a 
pole vertically to several of those bands so that we can mount our equipment 
on.   Each pole will be attached to 3-4 of the bands.  We are wondering if 
anyone has done that in the past and what they have used.   Our go to bracket 
for towers is the M-TOW-A from Chuck, but they aren’t the right application for 
this.   Chuck, I don’t know if you have something else that would work better, 
or has anyone seem a bracket/clamp that works well for this application?   We 
are thinking a clam type clamp that clamps to the horizontal metal band (it is 
tough to get a bracket between the metal band and the cement stave) and will 
clamp to a vertical pole would be a winner, but haven’t seen anything like 
this.   Anyone done this in the past?

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[chuck]

If you own everything it is not a problem.  

-Original Message- 
From: Adam Moffett 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 7:58 AM 
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal 



On 10/6/2020 3:20 PM, John Osmon wrote:

On Mon, Oct 05, 2020 at 02:20:24PM -0600, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

I am getting some traction with developers for my fiber.  They want me
to come in, they will put the subscription to my service as part of
the HOA fees.  They will not let others in the ditch.  All for 10% of
the gross.  So I get 100% take rate.  I am not unhappy with the deal.
But I am wondering about agreeing to a perpetual royalty.  Anyone else
done one of these deals?

I'd be tempted to do it as two companies.

Company the first:  FTTH provider.  Layer 1/2 aggregator
Company the second: ISP

HOA fees cover an ethernet/PON connection to a head end.  The ISP can
connect to any homeowner at the headend.

The fiber company will make money in perpetuity.  The ISP can make money
as long as they serve the customers wishes.


The value might be in perception more than anything.  If the developer 
was wary about being trapped with an ISP they hate later, then something 
like that might appease them.



I'm also a big proponent of structural separation.  In my world, anyone
that uses the public ROW would be prohibited from being an ISP.


Yeahbut you're not plugging the same fiber into multiple OLT's. This 
would be a mandate for a central split architecture.  If you built 
distributed split and didn't include lots of surplus fibers then you're 
still basically stuck with one provider.  I'd be annoyed if last mile 
network design became accidentally enshrined in law.



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Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[chuck]

Tighten the beam clamp to the strap.  Then use a connecting nut on the 
protruding bolt:
https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Hillman-1-4-20-Stainless-Coupling-Nut-8-Pack-45132/204775435?cm_mmc=Shopping-BA-F_Test-G-D25H-25_3_FASTENERS-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Fasteners_PLA_GMT-7170069206243-5876141909138-92700055508967946&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6LSGqtyi7AIVisDACh1dogGwEAQYBCABEgLbzfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&locale=en-US&mtc=Shopping-BA-F_Test-G-D25H-25_3_FASTENERS-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Fasteners_PLA_GMT&source=shoppingads

Then you will have a nice tapped hole to mount all kinds of things to.



From: Chuck McCown 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 7:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Google this: 
Parallel Beam Clamp, 3/4 in., 316 SS, 


Sent from my iPhone


  On Oct 7, 2020, at 6:05 AM, David Coudron  
wrote:


   
  Not a bad idea, we hadn’t thought of that one.   The silo owners might be 
nervous about that, but it shouldn’t put any noticeable metal fatigue on the 
bands due to welding.  We’ll ask about that.   You don’t have any tower mounts 
that clamp down to ¾” in diameter do you?   Clamping around it and welding at 
the same time would really give it some strength.

   

  We have worked on one silo in the past that used Ken’s suggestion of the Rohn 
clamped to it.   That would definitely work, we were just hoping for something 
that would be quicker to implement.  

   

  As always, we appreciate the ideas,

   

  David Coudron

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 6:49 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

   

  Weld to the bands?

  Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 7, 2020, at 3:28 AM, David Coudron  
wrote:

 

Thanks Colin,

 

I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It looks 
like it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the ones 
we are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be an option, 
but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a large diameter 
without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom truck, but are planning 
to do our work from the ladder and attach our equipment close to the ladder for 
serviceability.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

 

Oh, here there are some. Banding and tension tool: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=29 

 

Clamps that work with the banding, although these are a smaller model that 
may be more for cable than pipes: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=75

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 10:05 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:

  What is the diameter? If not too big, you may find some of the chimney 
mounts here useful: https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=776

   

  It may be easier to put your own metal band setup, there must be some 
specific blocks that you can use to both tension them and create a solid 
mounting point.

   

  On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 9:59 PM David Coudron  
wrote:

We have a new project in which we will be using cement stave solid for 
a couple of tower locations.They aren’t ideal for our application, but they 
are the only tall structures in the area we need two towers and the project has 
to be complete by the end of the year, so we are not going to have time to 
build any kind of alternate structure.   The silos have a round metal band that 
runs horizontally around each level of the cement staves.   We plan to attached 
a pole vertically to several of those bands so that we can mount our equipment 
on.   Each pole will be attached to 3-4 of the bands.  We are wondering if 
anyone has done that in the past and what they have used.   Our go to bracket 
for towers is the M-TOW-A from Chuck, but they aren’t the right application for 
this.   Chuck, I don’t know if you have something else that would work better, 
or has anyone seem a bracket/clamp that works well for this application?   We 
are thinking a clam type clamp that clamps to the horizontal metal band (it is 
tough to get a bracket between the metal band and the cement stave) and will 
clamp to a vertical pole would be a winner, but haven’t seen anything like 
this.   Anyone done this in the past?

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Only moderate fascism.
Only moderate pedophilia.
Only moderate cannibalism.
Only moderate shooting.
Only moderate black lives.



bp

On 10/7/2020 6:54 AM, Chuck McCown
  wrote:


  
  I choose moderation in all things.
  
  Sent from my iPhone
  
On Oct 7, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Adam Moffett
   wrote:
  

  
  

  
  The medal hanging in the center of Star Trek Q's chest
appears to be a sheep.  Oddly relevant.  The shepherd known
as QAnon convinces his sheep that they're the enlightened
ones and the non-believers are the real sheep.  
  
  
  
  I know some of you are more worried about the left wing
radicals who need to battle fascism and white supremacists
which actually exist in the US only in scattered hundreds
with no political or cultural relevance. The right wing ones
frighten the hell out of me with their need to battle the
pedophile cannibals who are completely imaginary.  A lot of
people on both of these wings imagine that the silent
majority secretly supports them.   I think the silent
majority is silent for the same reason you silently ignore a
raving street preacher.  Meanwhile a lot of politicians have
noted that the loud and crazy people are more motivated to
vote.   
  
  
  
  Actual policy discussion becomes mired in the craziness. 
"Oh you like free markets?  Must be a white supremacist."  
  
  "Oh you're concerned the American police resort to violence
more often than those in other countries.  You're a pawn of
the pedophile cannibal cabal."  Interesting times.  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  On 10/6/2020 6:26 PM, Mike
Hammett wrote:
  
  


  
  
  
  

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent
  Computing Solutions

Midwest
  Internet Exchange

The
  Brothers WISP

  
  

  
  
  From:
"Bill Prince" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 5:23:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

Q is the supposed "leader" of Qanon. Personally, I
  think there is probably more than one Q, and they may
  or may not coordinate their message(s). I think they
  could be more effective if they weren't so out and out
  bonkers. Eat babies? really?


bp

On 10/6/2020 10:58 AM,
  Steve Jones wrote:


  is that a real conspiracy?


My wife had a friend over the other day, first
  time I ever met a real Q believer. weird shit. is
  Q not the same as Qanon? cause Qanon I always
  thought was just some guy that posted vague stuff
  and was supposedly in the administration. Q people
  think the rich eat babies and some lady who just
  had a miscarriage, cristy tegan or something, uses
  the code pizza, for little girls and always
  instagrams about pizza. weird shit


I think HOAs operate on different rules, since
  its a "voluntary" entry into them. Ive never
  looked too deep into it cause id never be in one,
  id put an air hose up my back first. but the
  contracts must give up a great deal of private
  property rights including waiving otard stuff
  
  
  
On Tue, Oct 6,
  2020 at 9:23 AM Robert 
  wrote:


   Google uses low frequency brain
  stimulation..  Whenever you use their browser
  and the volume isn't turned off.

On 10/6/20 7:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[chuck]

Well, pedophilia amongst children is probably OK. 
Moderate shootings with bean bag projectiles can be OK.
Moderate cannibalism is OK when your airplane crashes in the Andes or you get 
snowed in by Truckee.  
Moderate fascism is totally OK in Russia it appears. 
I like moderate black lives.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 8:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

Only moderate fascism.

Only moderate pedophilia.

Only moderate cannibalism.

Only moderate shooting.

Only moderate black lives.




bp
On 10/7/2020 6:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I choose moderation in all things.


  Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 7, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:


 
The medal hanging in the center of Star Trek Q's chest appears to be a 
sheep.  Oddly relevant.  The shepherd known as QAnon convinces his sheep that 
they're the enlightened ones and the non-believers are the real sheep.  




I know some of you are more worried about the left wing radicals who need 
to battle fascism and white supremacists which actually exist in the US only in 
scattered hundreds with no political or cultural relevance. The right wing ones 
frighten the hell out of me with their need to battle the pedophile cannibals 
who are completely imaginary.  A lot of people on both of these wings imagine 
that the silent majority secretly supports them.   I think the silent majority 
is silent for the same reason you silently ignore a raving street preacher.  
Meanwhile a lot of politicians have noted that the loud and crazy people are 
more motivated to vote.   




Actual policy discussion becomes mired in the craziness.  "Oh you like free 
markets?  Must be a white supremacist."  


"Oh you're concerned the American police resort to violence more often than 
those in other countries.  You're a pawn of the pedophile cannibal cabal."  
Interesting times.  










On 10/6/2020 6:26 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  





  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






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  From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 5:23:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal


  Q is the supposed "leader" of Qanon. Personally, I think there is 
probably more than one Q, and they may or may not coordinate their message(s). 
I think they could be more effective if they weren't so out and out bonkers. 
Eat babies? really?



bp
On 10/6/2020 10:58 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

is that a real conspiracy? 

My wife had a friend over the other day, first time I ever met a real Q 
believer. weird shit. is Q not the same as Qanon? cause Qanon I always thought 
was just some guy that posted vague stuff and was supposedly in the 
administration. Q people think the rich eat babies and some lady who just had a 
miscarriage, cristy tegan or something, uses the code pizza, for little girls 
and always instagrams about pizza. weird shit

I think HOAs operate on different rules, since its a "voluntary" entry 
into them. Ive never looked too deep into it cause id never be in one, id put 
an air hose up my back first. but the contracts must give up a great deal of 
private property rights including waiving otard stuff

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 9:23 AM Robert  wrote:

  Google uses low frequency brain stimulation..  Whenever you use their 
browser and the volume isn't turned off.


  On 10/6/20 7:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Messaging is king of all I suppose.


If you were Google, people would believe that you magically give it 
away for free.  Since you're not Google they'll assume some kind of robbery or 
graft.  I don't know how Google pulls off that kind of public relations coup.



On 10/6/2020 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  But it is free!  Comes with HOA dues.  Such a deal.


  Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 6, 2020, at 7:58 AM, Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:


 
If I was in charge of laws, they wouldn't be so legalistic.  


You don't have exclusivity per se, but in de facto nobody will 
buy anything else when they're already forced to pay you whether they like it 
or not.  They'd have to actively hate you before they'll even consider 
something else.  You'd have to steal their birthdays before they consider 
another option, and you'd have to violate their daughters before they're 
willing to pay what the installation of the other option will actually cost.


.that doesn't make it a bad deal for you, of course.  
Competitors will cry foul because you can make money and they can't, but that 
doesn't mean they wouldn't do the same 

Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[Brian Webster]

Isn’t it Lent?

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

 

Well, pedophilia amongst children is probably OK. 

Moderate shootings with bean bag projectiles can be OK.

Moderate cannibalism is OK when your airplane crashes in the Andes or you get 
snowed in by Truckee.  

Moderate fascism is totally OK in Russia it appears. 

I like moderate black lives.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 8:49 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

 

Only moderate fascism.

Only moderate pedophilia.

Only moderate cannibalism.

Only moderate shooting.

Only moderate black lives.

 

bp


On 10/7/2020 6:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I choose moderation in all things.

Sent from my iPhone





On Oct 7, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

 

The medal hanging in the center of Star Trek Q's chest appears to be a sheep.  
Oddly relevant.  The shepherd known as QAnon convinces his sheep that they're 
the enlightened ones and the non-believers are the real sheep.  

 

I know some of you are more worried about the left wing radicals who need to 
battle fascism and white supremacists which actually exist in the US only in 
scattered hundreds with no political or cultural relevance. The right wing ones 
frighten the hell out of me with their need to battle the pedophile cannibals 
who are completely imaginary.  A lot of people on both of these wings imagine 
that the silent majority secretly supports them.   I think the silent majority 
is silent for the same reason you silently ignore a raving street preacher.  
Meanwhile a lot of politicians have noted that the loud and crazy people are 
more motivated to vote.   

 

Actual policy discussion becomes mired in the craziness.  "Oh you like free 
markets?  Must be a white supremacist."  

"Oh you're concerned the American police resort to violence more often than 
those in other countries.  You're a pawn of the pedophile cannibal cabal."  
Interesting times.  

 

 

 

 

On 10/6/2020 6:26 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:



 



-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions
   
  
  
 
  Midwest Internet Exchange
   
  
 
  The Brothers WISP
   
 





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From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 5:23:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

Q is the supposed "leader" of Qanon. Personally, I think there is probably more 
than one Q, and they may or may not coordinate their message(s). I think they 
could be more effective if they weren't so out and out bonkers. Eat babies? 
really?

 

bp


On 10/6/2020 10:58 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

is that a real conspiracy? 

 

My wife had a friend over the other day, first time I ever met a real Q 
believer. weird shit. is Q not the same as Qanon? cause Qanon I always thought 
was just some guy that posted vague stuff and was supposedly in the 
administration. Q people think the rich eat babies and some lady who just had a 
miscarriage, cristy tegan or something, uses the code pizza, for little girls 
and always instagrams about pizza. weird shit

 

I think HOAs operate on different rules, since its a "voluntary" entry into 
them. Ive never looked too deep into it cause id never be in one, id put an air 
hose up my back first. but the contracts must give up a great deal of private 
property rights including waiving otard stuff

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 9:23 AM Robert  wrote:

Google uses low frequency brain stimulation..  Whenever you use their browser 
and the volume isn't turned off.

On 10/6/20 7:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Messaging is king of all I suppose.

If you were Google, people would believe that you magically give it away for 
free.  Since you're not Google they'll assume some kind of robbery or graft.  I 
don't know how Google pulls off that kind of public relations coup.

 

On 10/6/2020 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

But it is free!  Comes with HOA dues.  Such a deal.

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Oct 6, 2020, at 7:58 AM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

 

If I was in charge of laws, they wouldn't be so legalistic.  

You don't have exclusivity per se, but in de facto nobody will buy anything 
else when they're already forced to pay you whether they like it or not.  
They'

Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[Adam Moffett]

Hyperbole is a loophole just like the way fish doesn't count as meat.


On 10/7/2020 11:13 AM, Brian Webster wrote:


Isn’t it Lent?

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

*From:*AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:00 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

Well, pedophilia amongst children is probably OK.

Moderate shootings with bean bag projectiles can be OK.

Moderate cannibalism is OK when your airplane crashes in the Andes or 
you get snowed in by Truckee.


Moderate fascism is totally OK in Russia it appears.

I like moderate black lives.

*From:*Bill Prince

*Sent:*Wednesday, October 7, 2020 8:49 AM

*To:*af@af.afmug.com

*Subject:*Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

Only moderate fascism.

Only moderate pedophilia.

Only moderate cannibalism.

Only moderate shooting.

Only moderate black lives.

bp


On 10/7/2020 6:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

I choose moderation in all things.

Sent from my iPhone



On Oct 7, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Adam Moffett
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:



The medal hanging in the center of Star Trek Q's chest appears
to be a sheep.  Oddly relevant. The shepherd known as QAnon
convinces his sheep that they're the enlightened ones and the
non-believers are the real sheep.

I know some of you are more worried about the left wing
radicals who need to battle fascism and white supremacists
which actually exist in the US only in scattered hundreds with
no political or cultural relevance. The right wing ones
frighten the hell out of me with their need to battle the
pedophile cannibals who are completely imaginary.  A lot of
people on both of these wings imagine that the silent majority
secretly supports them.   I think the silent majority is
silent for the same reason you silently ignore a raving street
preacher. Meanwhile a lot of politicians have noted that the
loud and crazy people are more motivated to vote.

Actual policy discussion becomes mired in the craziness.  "Oh
you like free markets?  Must be a white supremacist."

"Oh you're concerned the American police resort to violence
more often than those in other countries.  You're a pawn of
the pedophile cannibal cabal."  Interesting times.

On 10/6/2020 6:26 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:





-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions 


Midwest Internet Exchange 


The Brothers WISP 








*From: *"Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
*To: *af@af.afmug.com
*Sent: *Tuesday, October 6, 2020 5:23:18 PM
*Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

Q is the supposed "leader" of Qanon. Personally, I think
there is probably more than one Q, and they may or may not
coordinate their message(s). I think they could be more
effective if they weren't so out and out bonkers. Eat
babies? really?

bp



On 10/6/2020 10:58 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

is that a real conspiracy?

My wife had a friend over the other day, first time I
ever met a real Q believer. weird shit. is Q not the
same as Qanon? cause Qanon I always thought was just
some guy that posted vague stuff and was supposedly in
the administration. Q people think the rich eat babies
and some lady who just had a miscarriage, cristy tegan
or something, uses the code pizza, for little girls
and always instagrams about pizza. weird shit

I think HOAs operate on different rules, since its a
"voluntary" entry into them. Ive never looked too deep
into it cause id never be in one, id put an air hose
up my back first. but the contracts must give up a
great deal of private property rights including
waiving otard stuff

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 9:23 AM Robert
 wrote:

Google us

Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[James Howard]

Based on the stuff for sale at Costco, I’d say it’s closer to Christmas than 
Easter…..

From: AF  On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 10:13 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

Isn’t it Lent?

Thank you,
Brian Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of 
ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

Well, pedophilia amongst children is probably OK.
Moderate shootings with bean bag projectiles can be OK.
Moderate cannibalism is OK when your airplane crashes in the Andes or you get 
snowed in by Truckee.
Moderate fascism is totally OK in Russia it appears.
I like moderate black lives.

From: Bill Prince
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 8:49 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal


Only moderate fascism.

Only moderate pedophilia.

Only moderate cannibalism.

Only moderate shooting.

Only moderate black lives.



bp


On 10/7/2020 6:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
I choose moderation in all things.
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 7, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:


The medal hanging in the center of Star Trek Q's chest appears to be a sheep.  
Oddly relevant.  The shepherd known as QAnon convinces his sheep that they're 
the enlightened ones and the non-believers are the real sheep.



I know some of you are more worried about the left wing radicals who need to 
battle fascism and white supremacists which actually exist in the US only in 
scattered hundreds with no political or cultural relevance. The right wing ones 
frighten the hell out of me with their need to battle the pedophile cannibals 
who are completely imaginary.  A lot of people on both of these wings imagine 
that the silent majority secretly supports them.   I think the silent majority 
is silent for the same reason you silently ignore a raving street preacher.  
Meanwhile a lot of politicians have noted that the loud and crazy people are 
more motivated to vote.



Actual policy discussion becomes mired in the craziness.  "Oh you like free 
markets?  Must be a white supremacist."

"Oh you're concerned the American police resort to violence more often than 
those in other countries.  You're a pawn of the pedophile cannibal cabal."  
Interesting times.








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From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 5:23:18 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

Q is the supposed "leader" of Qanon. Personally, I think there is probably more 
than one Q, and they may or may not coordinate their message(s). I think they 
could be more effective if they weren't so out and out bonkers. Eat babies? 
really?



bp


On 10/6/2020 10:58 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
is that a real conspiracy?

My wife had a friend over the other day, first time I ever met a real Q 
believer. weird shit. is Q not the same as Qanon? cause Qanon I always thought 
was just some guy that posted vague stuff and was supposedly in the 
administration. Q people think the rich eat babies and some lady who just had a 
miscarriage, cristy tegan or something, uses the code pizza, for little girls 
and always instagrams about pizza. weird shit

I think HOAs operate on different rules, since its a "voluntary" entry into 
them. Ive never looked too deep into it cause id never be in one, id put an air 
hose up my back first. but the contracts must give up a great deal of private 
property rights including waiving otard stuff

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 9:23 AM Robert 
mailto:i...@avantwireless.com>> wrote:
Google uses low frequency brain stimulation..  Whenever you use their browser 
and the volume isn't turned off.
On 10/6/20 7:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[chuck]

Sometimes we just can’t help ourselves...

From: Brian Webster 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 9:13 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

Isn’t it Lent?

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:00 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

 

Well, pedophilia amongst children is probably OK. 

Moderate shootings with bean bag projectiles can be OK.

Moderate cannibalism is OK when your airplane crashes in the Andes or you get 
snowed in by Truckee.  

Moderate fascism is totally OK in Russia it appears. 

I like moderate black lives.  

 

From: Bill Prince 

Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 8:49 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

 

Only moderate fascism.

Only moderate pedophilia.

Only moderate cannibalism.

Only moderate shooting.

Only moderate black lives.

 

bpOn 10/7/2020 6:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:

  I choose moderation in all things.

  Sent from my iPhone





  On Oct 7, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

 

The medal hanging in the center of Star Trek Q's chest appears to be a 
sheep.  Oddly relevant.  The shepherd known as QAnon convinces his sheep that 
they're the enlightened ones and the non-believers are the real sheep.  

 

I know some of you are more worried about the left wing radicals who need 
to battle fascism and white supremacists which actually exist in the US only in 
scattered hundreds with no political or cultural relevance. The right wing ones 
frighten the hell out of me with their need to battle the pedophile cannibals 
who are completely imaginary.  A lot of people on both of these wings imagine 
that the silent majority secretly supports them.   I think the silent majority 
is silent for the same reason you silently ignore a raving street preacher.  
Meanwhile a lot of politicians have noted that the loud and crazy people are 
more motivated to vote.   

 

Actual policy discussion becomes mired in the craziness.  "Oh you like free 
markets?  Must be a white supremacist."  

"Oh you're concerned the American police resort to violence more often than 
those in other countries.  You're a pawn of the pedophile cannibal cabal."  
Interesting times.  

 

 

 

 

On 10/6/2020 6:26 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  

   



  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






--

  From: "Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 5:23:18 PM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

  Q is the supposed "leader" of Qanon. Personally, I think there is 
probably more than one Q, and they may or may not coordinate their message(s). 
I think they could be more effective if they weren't so out and out bonkers. 
Eat babies? really?

   

bpOn 10/6/2020 10:58 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

is that a real conspiracy? 

 

My wife had a friend over the other day, first time I ever met a real Q 
believer. weird shit. is Q not the same as Qanon? cause Qanon I always thought 
was just some guy that posted vague stuff and was supposedly in the 
administration. Q people think the rich eat babies and some lady who just had a 
miscarriage, cristy tegan or something, uses the code pizza, for little girls 
and always instagrams about pizza. weird shit

 

I think HOAs operate on different rules, since its a "voluntary" entry 
into them. Ive never looked too deep into it cause id never be in one, id put 
an air hose up my back first. but the contracts must give up a great deal of 
private property rights including waiving otard stuff

 

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 9:23 AM Robert  wrote:

  Google uses low frequency brain stimulation..  Whenever you use their 
browser and the volume isn't turned off.

  On 10/6/20 7:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:

Messaging is king of all I suppose.

If you were Google, people would believe that you magically give it 
away for free.  Since you're not Google they'll assume some kind of robbery or 
graft.  I don't know how Google pulls off that kind of public relations coup.

 

On 10/6/2020 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:

  But it is free!  Comes with HOA dues.  Such a deal.

  Sent from my iPhone

 

On Oct 6, 2020, at 7:58 AM, Adam Moffett 
mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:

 

If I was in charge of laws, they wouldn't be so legalistic.  

You don't have exclusivity per se, but in de facto nobody will 
buy anything e

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[Carl Peterson]

You would be better off replacing the bolt with a longer one that goes
through a piece of angle iron.  Two clamps per angle iron then a U bolt in
the center between clamps.  Two of these per mount (on different hoops)
with a 2-3/8 HDG pipe clamped in the U bolts.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 9:47 AM  wrote:

> Tighten the beam clamp to the strap.  Then use a connecting nut on the
> protruding bolt:
>
> https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Hillman-1-4-20-Stainless-Coupling-Nut-8-Pack-45132/204775435?cm_mmc=Shopping-BA-F_Test-G-D25H-25_3_FASTENERS-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Fasteners_PLA_GMT-7170069206243-5876141909138-92700055508967946&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6LSGqtyi7AIVisDACh1dogGwEAQYBCABEgLbzfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&locale=en-US&mtc=Shopping-BA-F_Test-G-D25H-25_3_FASTENERS-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Fasteners_PLA_GMT&source=shoppingads
>
> Then you will have a nice tapped hole to mount all kinds of things to.
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 7, 2020 7:53 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos
>
> Google this: Parallel Beam Clamp, 3/4 in., 316 SS,
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 7, 2020, at 6:05 AM, David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Not a bad idea, we hadn’t thought of that one.   The silo owners might be
> nervous about that, but it shouldn’t put any noticeable metal fatigue on
> the bands due to welding.  We’ll ask about that.   You don’t have any tower
> mounts that clamp down to ¾” in diameter do you?   Clamping around it and
> welding at the same time would really give it some strength.
>
>
>
> We have worked on one silo in the past that used Ken’s suggestion of the
> Rohn clamped to it.   That would definitely work, we were just hoping for
> something that would be quicker to implement.
>
>
>
> As always, we appreciate the ideas,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 7, 2020 6:49 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos
>
>
>
> Weld to the bands?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2020, at 3:28 AM, David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks Colin,
>
>
>
> I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It looks
> like it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the
> ones we are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be
> an option, but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a
> large diameter without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom
> truck, but are planning to do our work from the ladder and attach our
> equipment close to the ladder for serviceability.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos
>
>
>
> Oh, here there are some. Banding and tension tool:
> https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=29
>
>
>
> Clamps that work with the banding, although these are a smaller model that
> may be more for cable than pipes:
> https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=75
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 10:05 PM Colin Stanners  wrote:
>
> What is the diameter? If not too big, you may find some of the chimney
> mounts here useful:
> https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=776
>
>
>
> It may be easier to put your own metal band setup, there must be some
> specific blocks that you can use to both tension them and create a solid
> mounting point.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 9:59 PM David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
> We have a new project in which we will be using cement stave solid for a
> couple of tower locations.They aren’t ideal for our application, but
> they are the only tall structures in the area we need two towers and the
> project has to be complete by the end of the year, so we are not going to
> have time to build any kind of alternate structure.   The silos have a
> round metal band that runs horizontally around each level of the cement
> staves.   We plan to attached a pole vertically to several of those bands
> so that we can mount our equipment on.   Each pole will be attached to 3-4
> of the bands.  We are wondering if anyone has done that in the past and
> what they have used.   Our go to bracket for towers is the M-TOW-A from
> Chuck, but they aren’t the right application for this.   Chuck, I don’t
> know if you have something else that would work better, or has anyone seem
> a bracket/clamp that works well for this application?   We are thinking a
> clam type clamp that clamps to the horizontal metal band (it is tough to
> get a bracket between the metal band and the cement stave) and will clamp
> to a vertical pole would be a winner, but haven’t seen anything like
> this.   Anyone done this in the past?
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[John Osmon]

If you hang them all, you get the guilty.
(Appologies to Tom T. Hall)


On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 08:39:37AM -0600, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> If you own everything it is not a problem.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday,
> October 7, 2020 7:58 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT
> Royalty deal
> 
> 
> On 10/6/2020 3:20 PM, John Osmon wrote:
> >On Mon, Oct 05, 2020 at 02:20:24PM -0600, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> >>I am getting some traction with developers for my fiber.  They want me
> >>to come in, they will put the subscription to my service as part of
> >>the HOA fees.  They will not let others in the ditch.  All for 10% of
> >>the gross.  So I get 100% take rate.  I am not unhappy with the deal.
> >>But I am wondering about agreeing to a perpetual royalty.  Anyone else
> >>done one of these deals?
> >I'd be tempted to do it as two companies.
> >
> >Company the first:  FTTH provider.  Layer 1/2 aggregator
> >Company the second: ISP
> >
> >HOA fees cover an ethernet/PON connection to a head end.  The ISP can
> >connect to any homeowner at the headend.
> >
> >The fiber company will make money in perpetuity.  The ISP can make money
> >as long as they serve the customers wishes.
> 
> The value might be in perception more than anything.  If the
> developer was wary about being trapped with an ISP they hate later,
> then something like that might appease them.
> 
> >I'm also a big proponent of structural separation.  In my world, anyone
> >that uses the public ROW would be prohibited from being an ISP.
> 
> Yeahbut you're not plugging the same fiber into multiple OLT's. This
> would be a mandate for a central split architecture.  If you built
> distributed split and didn't include lots of surplus fibers then
> you're still basically stuck with one provider.  I'd be annoyed if
> last mile network design became accidentally enshrined in law.
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[chuck]

Similar to shoot them all and let God sort them out.  

-Original Message- 
From: John Osmon 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 10:12 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal 


If you hang them all, you get the guilty.
   (Appologies to Tom T. Hall)


On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 08:39:37AM -0600, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

If you own everything it is not a problem.

-Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday,
October 7, 2020 7:58 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT
Royalty deal


On 10/6/2020 3:20 PM, John Osmon wrote:
>On Mon, Oct 05, 2020 at 02:20:24PM -0600, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>>I am getting some traction with developers for my fiber.  They want me
>>to come in, they will put the subscription to my service as part of
>>the HOA fees.  They will not let others in the ditch.  All for 10% of
>>the gross.  So I get 100% take rate.  I am not unhappy with the deal.
>>But I am wondering about agreeing to a perpetual royalty.  Anyone else
>>done one of these deals?
>I'd be tempted to do it as two companies.
>
>Company the first:  FTTH provider.  Layer 1/2 aggregator
>Company the second: ISP
>
>HOA fees cover an ethernet/PON connection to a head end.  The ISP can
>connect to any homeowner at the headend.
>
>The fiber company will make money in perpetuity.  The ISP can make money
>as long as they serve the customers wishes.

The value might be in perception more than anything.  If the
developer was wary about being trapped with an ISP they hate later,
then something like that might appease them.

>I'm also a big proponent of structural separation.  In my world, anyone
>that uses the public ROW would be prohibited from being an ISP.

Yeahbut you're not plugging the same fiber into multiple OLT's. This
would be a mandate for a central split architecture.  If you built
distributed split and didn't include lots of surplus fibers then
you're still basically stuck with one provider.  I'd be annoyed if
last mile network design became accidentally enshrined in law.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Important information

[Robert]

That really sucks..

On 10/7/20 9:00 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

https://youtu.be/3VoeRAR0YgE



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Important information

[can...@believewireless.net]

Pretty sure that guy is full of shit.

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> That really sucks..
>
> On 10/7/20 9:00 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> https://youtu.be/3VoeRAR0YgE
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[Steve Jones]

I'm not opposed to cannibalism. I think it would take a little time to get
beyond the source of the meat, but I would bet, with as fat as we are we
are pretty flavorful. I think it be best to eat people now, while we are
tender, than after some disaster as a last resort when everybody is all
stringy and tough.
I dont think we should eat pedophiles though, that's gotta be tainted meat.
I'm fine with just skinning them and making handbags. But definetly not
food grade containers or water bags.
If it turns out that this Q thing is real and the elites are pedos, can you
imagine the collector value of an obama or bradjolena handbag?

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020, 11:27 AM  wrote:

> Similar to shoot them all and let God sort them out.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: John Osmon
> Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 10:12 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal
>
> If you hang them all, you get the guilty.
> (Appologies to Tom T. Hall)
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 08:39:37AM -0600, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > If you own everything it is not a problem.
> >
> > -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday,
> > October 7, 2020 7:58 AM To: af@af.afmug.com Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT
> > Royalty deal
> >
> >
> > On 10/6/2020 3:20 PM, John Osmon wrote:
> > >On Mon, Oct 05, 2020 at 02:20:24PM -0600, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
> > >>I am getting some traction with developers for my fiber.  They want me
> > >>to come in, they will put the subscription to my service as part of
> > >>the HOA fees.  They will not let others in the ditch.  All for 10% of
> > >>the gross.  So I get 100% take rate.  I am not unhappy with the deal.
> > >>But I am wondering about agreeing to a perpetual royalty.  Anyone else
> > >>done one of these deals?
> > >I'd be tempted to do it as two companies.
> > >
> > >Company the first:  FTTH provider.  Layer 1/2 aggregator
> > >Company the second: ISP
> > >
> > >HOA fees cover an ethernet/PON connection to a head end.  The ISP can
> > >connect to any homeowner at the headend.
> > >
> > >The fiber company will make money in perpetuity.  The ISP can make money
> > >as long as they serve the customers wishes.
> >
> > The value might be in perception more than anything.  If the
> > developer was wary about being trapped with an ISP they hate later,
> > then something like that might appease them.
> >
> > >I'm also a big proponent of structural separation.  In my world, anyone
> > >that uses the public ROW would be prohibited from being an ISP.
> >
> > Yeahbut you're not plugging the same fiber into multiple OLT's. This
> > would be a mandate for a central split architecture.  If you built
> > distributed split and didn't include lots of surplus fibers then
> > you're still basically stuck with one provider.  I'd be annoyed if
> > last mile network design became accidentally enshrined in law.
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[Ken Hohhof]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythia

 

Must inhale the vapors.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 12:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

 

I'm not opposed to cannibalism. I think it would take a little time to get 
beyond the source of the meat, but I would bet, with as fat as we are we are 
pretty flavorful. I think it be best to eat people now, while we are tender, 
than after some disaster as a last resort when everybody is all stringy and 
tough.

I dont think we should eat pedophiles though, that's gotta be tainted meat. I'm 
fine with just skinning them and making handbags. But definetly not food grade 
containers or water bags. 

If it turns out that this Q thing is real and the elites are pedos, can you 
imagine the collector value of an obama or bradjolena handbag?

 

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020, 11:27 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Similar to shoot them all and let God sort them out.  

-Original Message- 
From: John Osmon 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 10:12 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal 

If you hang them all, you get the guilty.
(Appologies to Tom T. Hall)


On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 08:39:37AM -0600, ch...@wbmfg.com 
  wrote:
> If you own everything it is not a problem.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday,
> October 7, 2020 7:58 AM To: af@af.afmug.com   
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT
> Royalty deal
> 
> 
> On 10/6/2020 3:20 PM, John Osmon wrote:
> >On Mon, Oct 05, 2020 at 02:20:24PM -0600, ch...@wbmfg.com 
> >  wrote:
> >>I am getting some traction with developers for my fiber.  They want me
> >>to come in, they will put the subscription to my service as part of
> >>the HOA fees.  They will not let others in the ditch.  All for 10% of
> >>the gross.  So I get 100% take rate.  I am not unhappy with the deal.
> >>But I am wondering about agreeing to a perpetual royalty.  Anyone else
> >>done one of these deals?
> >I'd be tempted to do it as two companies.
> >
> >Company the first:  FTTH provider.  Layer 1/2 aggregator
> >Company the second: ISP
> >
> >HOA fees cover an ethernet/PON connection to a head end.  The ISP can
> >connect to any homeowner at the headend.
> >
> >The fiber company will make money in perpetuity.  The ISP can make money
> >as long as they serve the customers wishes.
> 
> The value might be in perception more than anything.  If the
> developer was wary about being trapped with an ISP they hate later,
> then something like that might appease them.
> 
> >I'm also a big proponent of structural separation.  In my world, anyone
> >that uses the public ROW would be prohibited from being an ISP.
> 
> Yeahbut you're not plugging the same fiber into multiple OLT's. This
> would be a mandate for a central split architecture.  If you built
> distributed split and didn't include lots of surplus fibers then
> you're still basically stuck with one provider.  I'd be annoyed if
> last mile network design became accidentally enshrined in law.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[Adam Moffett]

"Herodotus , writing in the 
fifth century BC, describes the Pythia speaking indactylic hexameters 
.^[11] 
 ^[12] 
"


So either the oracle was a gifted rapper, or high as balls?
Is this the Oracle at Delphi?
Hot Clicks: Snoop Dogg, Kansas and a Phoggy issue - Sports Illustrated



On 10/7/2020 1:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythia 



Must inhale the vapors.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Wednesday, October 7, 2020 12:30 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

I'm not opposed to cannibalism. I think it would take a little time to 
get beyond the source of the meat, but I would bet, with as fat as we 
are we are pretty flavorful. I think it be best to eat people now, 
while we are tender, than after some disaster as a last resort when 
everybody is all stringy and tough.


I dont think we should eat pedophiles though, that's gotta be tainted 
meat. I'm fine with just skinning them and making handbags. But 
definetly not food grade containers or water bags.


If it turns out that this Q thing is real and the elites are pedos, 
can you imagine the collector value of an obama or bradjolena handbag?


On Wed, Oct 7, 2020, 11:27 AM > wrote:


Similar to shoot them all and let God sort them out.

-Original Message-
From: John Osmon
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 10:12 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

If you hang them all, you get the guilty.
    (Appologies to Tom T. Hall)


On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 08:39:37AM -0600, ch...@wbmfg.com
 wrote:
> If you own everything it is not a problem.
>
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday,
> October 7, 2020 7:58 AM To: af@af.afmug.com
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT
> Royalty deal
>
>
> On 10/6/2020 3:20 PM, John Osmon wrote:
> >On Mon, Oct 05, 2020 at 02:20:24PM -0600, ch...@wbmfg.com
 wrote:
> >>I am getting some traction with developers for my fiber.  They
want me
> >>to come in, they will put the subscription to my service as
part of
> >>the HOA fees.  They will not let others in the ditch.  All for
10% of
> >>the gross.  So I get 100% take rate.  I am not unhappy with
the deal.
> >>But I am wondering about agreeing to a perpetual royalty. 
Anyone else
> >>done one of these deals?
> >I'd be tempted to do it as two companies.
> >
> >Company the first:  FTTH provider.  Layer 1/2 aggregator
> >Company the second: ISP
> >
> >HOA fees cover an ethernet/PON connection to a head end.  The
ISP can
> >connect to any homeowner at the headend.
> >
> >The fiber company will make money in perpetuity. The ISP can
make money
> >as long as they serve the customers wishes.
>
> The value might be in perception more than anything. If the
> developer was wary about being trapped with an ISP they hate later,
> then something like that might appease them.
>
> >I'm also a big proponent of structural separation.  In my
world, anyone
> >that uses the public ROW would be prohibited from being an ISP.
>
> Yeahbut you're not plugging the same fiber into multiple OLT's. This
> would be a mandate for a central split architecture. If you built
> distributed split and didn't include lots of surplus fibers then
> you're still basically stuck with one provider.  I'd be annoyed if
> last mile network design became accidentally enshrined in law.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[Ken Hohhof]

I would listen to his prophecies before Q.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 12:51 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

 

"  Herodotus, writing in the fifth 
century BC, describes the Pythia speaking in  
 dactylic hexameters. 
 [11] 
 [12]"

So either the oracle was a gifted rapper, or high as balls?  

Is this the Oracle at Delphi?



 

 

 

On 10/7/2020 1:45 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pythia

 

Must inhale the vapors.

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 12:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

 

I'm not opposed to cannibalism. I think it would take a little time to get 
beyond the source of the meat, but I would bet, with as fat as we are we are 
pretty flavorful. I think it be best to eat people now, while we are tender, 
than after some disaster as a last resort when everybody is all stringy and 
tough.

I dont think we should eat pedophiles though, that's gotta be tainted meat. I'm 
fine with just skinning them and making handbags. But definetly not food grade 
containers or water bags. 

If it turns out that this Q thing is real and the elites are pedos, can you 
imagine the collector value of an obama or bradjolena handbag?

 

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020, 11:27 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Similar to shoot them all and let God sort them out.  

-Original Message- 
From: John Osmon 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 10:12 AM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal 

If you hang them all, you get the guilty.
(Appologies to Tom T. Hall)


On Wed, Oct 07, 2020 at 08:39:37AM -0600, ch...@wbmfg.com 
  wrote:
> If you own everything it is not a problem.
> 
> -Original Message- From: Adam Moffett Sent: Wednesday,
> October 7, 2020 7:58 AM To: af@af.afmug.com   
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT
> Royalty deal
> 
> 
> On 10/6/2020 3:20 PM, John Osmon wrote:
> >On Mon, Oct 05, 2020 at 02:20:24PM -0600, ch...@wbmfg.com 
> >  wrote:
> >>I am getting some traction with developers for my fiber.  They want me
> >>to come in, they will put the subscription to my service as part of
> >>the HOA fees.  They will not let others in the ditch.  All for 10% of
> >>the gross.  So I get 100% take rate.  I am not unhappy with the deal.
> >>But I am wondering about agreeing to a perpetual royalty.  Anyone else
> >>done one of these deals?
> >I'd be tempted to do it as two companies.
> >
> >Company the first:  FTTH provider.  Layer 1/2 aggregator
> >Company the second: ISP
> >
> >HOA fees cover an ethernet/PON connection to a head end.  The ISP can
> >connect to any homeowner at the headend.
> >
> >The fiber company will make money in perpetuity.  The ISP can make money
> >as long as they serve the customers wishes.
> 
> The value might be in perception more than anything.  If the
> developer was wary about being trapped with an ISP they hate later,
> then something like that might appease them.
> 
> >I'm also a big proponent of structural separation.  In my world, anyone
> >that uses the public ROW would be prohibited from being an ISP.
> 
> Yeahbut you're not plugging the same fiber into multiple OLT's. This
> would be a mandate for a central split architecture.  If you built
> distributed split and didn't include lots of surplus fibers then
> you're still basically stuck with one provider.  I'd be annoyed if
> last mile network design became accidentally enshrined in law.
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[David Coudron]

This is very helpful.   Looks like what we’ll have to do.   These are flat 
staves, and our concern is the lack of space between the band and the cement 
stave.   We are looking at some of the beam mentioned in this thread, it looks 
like we will be able to find something in there.

Thanks,

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

It depends on the type of staves. If they're the type with ridges, there can be 
a little bit of space, or a lot of space between the bands and the concrete, 
but if they're flat staves, then they'll be very tight to the concrete, and 
you're going to have to have something like a beam clamp.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:28 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I think the issue is that the bands are tight tight tight to the concrete.  So 
you can’t get anything between the band and the concrete.  At least the ones I 
remember seeing were like that.

From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 10:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

If you don't like the beam clamp, you could just as easily drill a hole the 
size of the hoop in some bar stock close to the end then drill a hole for a 
bolt through in the other direction and then cut the stock through the middle 
of the hoop hole creating your own clamp.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:10 AM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
[IMG_20201007_105732.jpg]

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 10:54 AM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
You would be better off replacing the bolt with a longer one that goes through 
a piece of angle iron.  Two clamps per angle iron then a U bolt in the center 
between clamps.  Two of these per mount (on different hoops) with a 2-3/8 HDG 
pipe clamped in the U bolts.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 9:47 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Tighten the beam clamp to the strap.  Then use a connecting nut on the 
protruding bolt:
https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Hillman-1-4-20-Stainless-Coupling-Nut-8-Pack-45132/204775435?cm_mmc=Shopping-BA-F_Test-G-D25H-25_3_FASTENERS-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Fasteners_PLA_GMT-7170069206243-5876141909138-92700055508967946&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6LSGqtyi7AIVisDACh1dogGwEAQYBCABEgLbzfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&locale=en-US&mtc=Shopping-BA-F_Test-G-D25H-25_3_FASTENERS-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Fasteners_PLA_GMT&source=shoppingads

Then you will have a nice tapped hole to mount all kinds of things to.



From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 7:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Google this:
Parallel Beam Clamp, 3/4 in., 316 SS,

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 7, 2020, at 6:05 AM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

Not a bad idea, we hadn’t thought of that one.   The silo owners might be 
nervous about that, but it shouldn’t put any noticeable metal fatigue on the 
bands due to welding.  We’ll ask about that.   You don’t have any tower mounts 
that clamp down to ¾” in diameter do you?   Clamping around it and welding at 
the same time would really give it some strength.

We have worked on one silo in the past that used Ken’s suggestion of the Rohn 
clamped to it.   That would definitely work, we were just hoping for something 
that would be quicker to implement.

As always, we appreciate the ideas,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 6:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Weld to the bands?
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 7, 2020, at 3:28 AM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

Thanks Colin,

I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It looks like 
it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the ones we 
are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be an option, 
but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a large diameter 
without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom truck, but are planning 
to do our work from the ladder and attach our equipment close to the ladder for 
serviceability.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Oh, here there are some. Banding and tension tool: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=29

Clamps that work with the banding, although these are a smaller model that may 
be more for cable than pipes: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=75

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 10:05 PM Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
What is th

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[Mathew Howard]

These are the beam clamps I normally use:
https://www.garvinindustries.com/jfc-3816
With flat staves, they tend to not sit quite as far onto the bands as I'd
like, but it does work, and we've had dozens of them hanging on that type
of silos for years with no issues. The parallel beam clamps Chuck mentioned
do look like they might work better with flat staves though (or they might
not work at all... it's hard to say just based on pictures).

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 2:47 PM David Coudron 
wrote:

> This is very helpful.   Looks like what we’ll have to do.   These are flat
> staves, and our concern is the lack of space between the band and the
> cement stave.   We are looking at some of the beam mentioned in this
> thread, it looks like we will be able to find something in there.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Mathew Howard
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:53 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos
>
>
>
> It depends on the type of staves. If they're the type with ridges, there
> can be a little bit of space, or a lot of space between the bands and the
> concrete, but if they're flat staves, then they'll be very tight to the
> concrete, and you're going to have to have something like a beam clamp.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:28 AM  wrote:
>
> I think the issue is that the bands are tight tight tight to the
> concrete.  So you can’t get anything between the band and the concrete.  At
> least the ones I remember seeing were like that.
>
>
>
> *From:* Carl Peterson
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 7, 2020 10:14 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos
>
>
>
> If you don't like the beam clamp, you could just as easily drill a hole
> the size of the hoop in some bar stock close to the end then drill a hole
> for a bolt through in the other direction and then cut the stock through
> the middle of the hoop hole creating your own clamp.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:10 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> [image: IMG_20201007_105732.jpg]
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 10:54 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
> You would be better off replacing the bolt with a longer one that goes
> through a piece of angle iron.  Two clamps per angle iron then a U bolt in
> the center between clamps.  Two of these per mount (on different hoops)
> with a 2-3/8 HDG pipe clamped in the U bolts.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 9:47 AM  wrote:
>
> Tighten the beam clamp to the strap.  Then use a connecting nut on the
> protruding bolt:
>
>
> https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Hillman-1-4-20-Stainless-Coupling-Nut-8-Pack-45132/204775435?cm_mmc=Shopping-BA-F_Test-G-D25H-25_3_FASTENERS-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Fasteners_PLA_GMT-7170069206243-5876141909138-92700055508967946&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6LSGqtyi7AIVisDACh1dogGwEAQYBCABEgLbzfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&locale=en-US&mtc=Shopping-BA-F_Test-G-D25H-25_3_FASTENERS-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Fasteners_PLA_GMT&source=shoppingads
>
>
>
> Then you will have a nice tapped hole to mount all kinds of things to.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Chuck McCown
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 7, 2020 7:53 AM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos
>
>
>
> Google this:
> Parallel Beam Clamp, 3/4 in., 316 SS,
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2020, at 6:05 AM, David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Not a bad idea, we hadn’t thought of that one.   The silo owners might be
> nervous about that, but it shouldn’t put any noticeable metal fatigue on
> the bands due to welding.  We’ll ask about that.   You don’t have any tower
> mounts that clamp down to ¾” in diameter do you?   Clamping around it and
> welding at the same time would really give it some strength.
>
>
>
> We have worked on one silo in the past that used Ken’s suggestion of the
> Rohn clamped to it.   That would definitely work, we were just hoping for
> something that would be quicker to implement.
>
>
>
> As always, we appreciate the ideas,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 7, 2020 6:49 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos
>
>
>
> Weld to the bands?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2020, at 3:28 AM, David Coudron 
> wrote:
>
> 
>
> Thanks Colin,
>
>
>
> I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It looks
> like it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the
> ones we are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be
> an option, but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a
> large diameter without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom
> truck, but are planning to do our work from the ladder and attach our
> equipment close to the ladder for serviceability.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> David Coudron
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf O

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[David Coudron]

HI folks,

Just wanted to take a quick moment to thank everyone for the quick and 
incredibly useful information.The solution talked about here will certainly 
work for our purpose.  We are continually humbled by the depth of knowledge and 
willingness to share on this list.

Much appreciated,

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

We do this all the time... beam clamps work fine on the rings.

Here's a picture of the mount I came up with. There's certainly room for 
improvement, if you wanted to put more effort into building a mount, but we've 
used hundreds of these with no problems.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:28 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
I think the issue is that the bands are tight tight tight to the concrete.  So 
you can’t get anything between the band and the concrete.  At least the ones I 
remember seeing were like that.

From: Carl Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 10:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

If you don't like the beam clamp, you could just as easily drill a hole the 
size of the hoop in some bar stock close to the end then drill a hole for a 
bolt through in the other direction and then cut the stock through the middle 
of the hoop hole creating your own clamp.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:10 AM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
[IMG_20201007_105732.jpg]

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 10:54 AM Carl Peterson 
mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com>> wrote:
You would be better off replacing the bolt with a longer one that goes through 
a piece of angle iron.  Two clamps per angle iron then a U bolt in the center 
between clamps.  Two of these per mount (on different hoops) with a 2-3/8 HDG 
pipe clamped in the U bolts.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 9:47 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> wrote:
Tighten the beam clamp to the strap.  Then use a connecting nut on the 
protruding bolt:
https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Hillman-1-4-20-Stainless-Coupling-Nut-8-Pack-45132/204775435?cm_mmc=Shopping-BA-F_Test-G-D25H-25_3_FASTENERS-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Fasteners_PLA_GMT-7170069206243-5876141909138-92700055508967946&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6LSGqtyi7AIVisDACh1dogGwEAQYBCABEgLbzfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&locale=en-US&mtc=Shopping-BA-F_Test-G-D25H-25_3_FASTENERS-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Fasteners_PLA_GMT&source=shoppingads

Then you will have a nice tapped hole to mount all kinds of things to.



From: Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 7:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Google this:
Parallel Beam Clamp, 3/4 in., 316 SS,

Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 7, 2020, at 6:05 AM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

Not a bad idea, we hadn’t thought of that one.   The silo owners might be 
nervous about that, but it shouldn’t put any noticeable metal fatigue on the 
bands due to welding.  We’ll ask about that.   You don’t have any tower mounts 
that clamp down to ¾” in diameter do you?   Clamping around it and welding at 
the same time would really give it some strength.

We have worked on one silo in the past that used Ken’s suggestion of the Rohn 
clamped to it.   That would definitely work, we were just hoping for something 
that would be quicker to implement.

As always, we appreciate the ideas,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 6:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Weld to the bands?
Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 7, 2020, at 3:28 AM, David Coudron 
mailto:david.coud...@advantenon.com>> wrote:

Thanks Colin,

I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It looks like 
it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the ones we 
are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be an option, 
but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a large diameter 
without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom truck, but are planning 
to do our work from the ladder and attach our equipment close to the ladder for 
serviceability.

Regards,

David Coudron
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

Oh, here there are some. Banding and tension tool: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_list&c=29

Clamps that work with the banding, although these are a smaller model that may 
be more for cable than pipes: 
https://www.sitepro1.com/store/cart.php?m=product_detail&p=75

On Tue, Oct 6, 2020, 10:05 PM Colin Stanners 
mailto:cstann...@gmail.com>> wrote:
What is the diameter? If not 

Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

[chuck]

May the Farm be with you...

From: David Coudron 
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 3:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

HI folks,

 

Just wanted to take a quick moment to thank everyone for the quick and 
incredibly useful information.The solution talked about here will certainly 
work for our purpose.  We are continually humbled by the depth of knowledge and 
willingness to share on this list.  

 

Much appreciated,

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:43 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

 

We do this all the time... beam clamps work fine on the rings. 

 

Here's a picture of the mount I came up with. There's certainly room for 
improvement, if you wanted to put more effort into building a mount, but we've 
used hundreds of these with no problems.

 

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:28 AM  wrote:

  I think the issue is that the bands are tight tight tight to the concrete.  
So you can’t get anything between the band and the concrete.  At least the ones 
I remember seeing were like that.  

   

  From: Carl Peterson 

  Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 10:14 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

   

  If you don't like the beam clamp, you could just as easily drill a hole the 
size of the hoop in some bar stock close to the end then drill a hole for a 
bolt through in the other direction and then cut the stock through the middle 
of the hoop hole creating your own clamp.  

   

  On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 11:10 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:



 

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 10:54 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

  You would be better off replacing the bolt with a longer one that goes 
through a piece of angle iron.  Two clamps per angle iron then a U bolt in the 
center between clamps.  Two of these per mount (on different hoops) with a 
2-3/8 HDG pipe clamped in the U bolts.  

   

  On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 9:47 AM  wrote:

Tighten the beam clamp to the strap.  Then use a connecting nut on the 
protruding bolt:


https://www.homedepot.com/pep/Hillman-1-4-20-Stainless-Coupling-Nut-8-Pack-45132/204775435?cm_mmc=Shopping-BA-F_Test-G-D25H-25_3_FASTENERS-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Fasteners_PLA_GMT-7170069206243-5876141909138-92700055508967946&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI6LSGqtyi7AIVisDACh1dogGwEAQYBCABEgLbzfD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds&locale=en-US&mtc=Shopping-BA-F_Test-G-D25H-25_3_FASTENERS-NA-NA-Feed-PLA-NA-NA-Fasteners_PLA_GMT&source=shoppingads

 

Then you will have a nice tapped hole to mount all kinds of things to.

 

 

 

From: Chuck McCown 

Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 7:53 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

 

Google this: 

Parallel Beam Clamp, 3/4 in., 316 SS, 
 

Sent from my iPhone





  On Oct 7, 2020, at 6:05 AM, David Coudron 
 wrote:

   

  Not a bad idea, we hadn’t thought of that one.   The silo owners 
might be nervous about that, but it shouldn’t put any noticeable metal fatigue 
on the bands due to welding.  We’ll ask about that.   You don’t have any tower 
mounts that clamp down to ¾” in diameter do you?   Clamping around it and 
welding at the same time would really give it some strength.

   

  We have worked on one silo in the past that used Ken’s suggestion of 
the Rohn clamped to it.   That would definitely work, we were just hoping for 
something that would be quicker to implement.  

   

  As always, we appreciate the ideas,

   

  David Coudron

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Wednesday, October 7, 2020 6:49 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Mounting to Cement Stave Silos

   

  Weld to the bands?

  Sent from my iPhone

   

On Oct 7, 2020, at 3:28 AM, David Coudron 
 wrote:

 

Thanks Colin,

 

I think the diameter of the silo will probably rule these out.   It 
looks like it would be a great option for silos with smaller diameters, but the 
ones we are working with are 30-40 ft in diameter.   The banding might be an 
option, but it will be tough to get around the top of the silo with a large 
diameter without a boom truck.We may have to bring in a boom truck, but are 
planning to do our work from the ladder and attach our equipment close to the 
ladder for serviceability.

 

Regards,

 

David Coudron

From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Tuesday, October 6, 2020 10:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users G

Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[castarritt]

Moderate Lent


On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 10:14 AM Brian Webster 
wrote:

> Isn’t it Lent?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
> Brian Webster
>
> www.wirelessmapping.com
>
>
>
> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:00 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal
>
>
>
> Well, pedophilia amongst children is probably OK.
>
> Moderate shootings with bean bag projectiles can be OK.
>
> Moderate cannibalism is OK when your airplane crashes in the Andes or you
> get snowed in by Truckee.
>
> Moderate fascism is totally OK in Russia it appears.
>
> I like moderate black lives.
>
>
>
> *From:* Bill Prince
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 7, 2020 8:49 AM
>
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal
>
>
>
> Only moderate fascism.
>
> Only moderate pedophilia.
>
> Only moderate cannibalism.
>
> Only moderate shooting.
>
> Only moderate black lives.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 10/7/2020 6:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>
> I choose moderation in all things.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> 
>
> The medal hanging in the center of Star Trek Q's chest appears to be a
> sheep.  Oddly relevant.  The shepherd known as QAnon convinces his sheep
> that they're the enlightened ones and the non-believers are the real
> sheep.
>
>
>
> I know some of you are more worried about the left wing radicals who need
> to battle fascism and white supremacists which actually exist in the US
> only in scattered hundreds with no political or cultural relevance. The
> right wing ones frighten the hell out of me with their need to battle the
> pedophile cannibals who are completely imaginary.  A lot of people on both
> of these wings imagine that the silent majority secretly supports them.   I
> think the silent majority is silent for the same reason you silently ignore
> a raving street preacher.  Meanwhile a lot of politicians have noted that
> the loud and crazy people are more motivated to vote.
>
>
>
> Actual policy discussion becomes mired in the craziness.  "Oh you like
> free markets?  Must be a white supremacist."
>
> "Oh you're concerned the American police resort to violence more often
> than those in other countries.  You're a pawn of the pedophile cannibal
> cabal."  Interesting times.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/6/2020 6:26 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>
> 
>
>
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 6, 2020 5:23:18 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal
>
> Q is the supposed "leader" of Qanon. Personally, I think there is probably
> more than one Q, and they may or may not coordinate their message(s). I
> think they could be more effective if they weren't so out and out bonkers.
> Eat babies? really?
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
> On 10/6/2020 10:58 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> is that a real conspiracy?
>
>
>
> My wife had a friend over the other day, first time I ever met a real Q
> believer. weird shit. is Q not the same as Qanon? cause Qanon I always
> thought was just some guy that posted vague stuff and was supposedly in the
> administration. Q people think the rich eat babies and some lady who just
> had a miscarriage, cristy tegan or something, uses the code pizza, for
> little girls and always instagrams about pizza. weird shit
>
>
>
> I think HOAs operate on different rules, since its a "voluntary" entry
> into them. Ive never looked too deep into it cause id never be in one, id
> put an air hose up my back first. but the contracts must give up a great
> deal of private property rights including waiving otard stuff
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 6, 2020 at 9:23 AM Robert  wrote:
>
> Google uses low frequency brain stimulation..  Whenever you use their
> browser and the volume isn't turned off.
>
> On 10/6/20 7:15 AM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
> Messaging is king of all I suppose.
>
> If you were Google, people would believe that you magically give it away
> for free.  Since you're not Google they'll assume some kind of robbery or
> graft.  I don't know how Google pulls off that kind of public relations
> coup.
>
>
>
> On 10/6/2020 10:06 AM, Chuck McCown via AF wrote:
>
> But it is free!  Comes with HOA dues.  Such a deal.
>
> Sent fro

Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal

[Steve Jones]

So I've been giving it thought. If you were in a survival scenario, plane
crash, insurrection, aliens, whatever and had to resort to cannibalism, if
it were your job to be the hunter. Would you tell your people you were
feeding them other people? Or just tell them you captured a cat or
something and serve it prepared.
I'm really torn on this one. It's wrong to not tell them, but if you did it
could cause strife. Keeping it a secret nobody has the moral issue to
contend with but you'll run out of people meat sooner. If you tell them,
some will refuse, which extends your meat stores.
That presents a new issue, those who dont partake are going to ultimately
starve to death, by that point there wont be much food left on them, it
would almost be irresponsible to let all that protein go to waste and you
might need to harvest them right then and there.

I wonder if an hoa can put in a cannibalism clause in the event of major
issues where food will become an issue.

On Wed, Oct 7, 2020, 5:32 PM castarritt  wrote:

> Moderate Lent
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2020 at 10:14 AM Brian Webster 
> wrote:
>
>> Isn’t it Lent?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Brian Webster
>>
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] *On Behalf Of *
>> ch...@wbmfg.com
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 7, 2020 11:00 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal
>>
>>
>>
>> Well, pedophilia amongst children is probably OK.
>>
>> Moderate shootings with bean bag projectiles can be OK.
>>
>> Moderate cannibalism is OK when your airplane crashes in the Andes or you
>> get snowed in by Truckee.
>>
>> Moderate fascism is totally OK in Russia it appears.
>>
>> I like moderate black lives.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Bill Prince
>>
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 7, 2020 8:49 AM
>>
>> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
>>
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal
>>
>>
>>
>> Only moderate fascism.
>>
>> Only moderate pedophilia.
>>
>> Only moderate cannibalism.
>>
>> Only moderate shooting.
>>
>> Only moderate black lives.
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 10/7/2020 6:54 AM, Chuck McCown wrote:
>>
>> I choose moderation in all things.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com
>> wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>> The medal hanging in the center of Star Trek Q's chest appears to be a
>> sheep.  Oddly relevant.  The shepherd known as QAnon convinces his sheep
>> that they're the enlightened ones and the non-believers are the real
>> sheep.
>>
>>
>>
>> I know some of you are more worried about the left wing radicals who need
>> to battle fascism and white supremacists which actually exist in the US
>> only in scattered hundreds with no political or cultural relevance. The
>> right wing ones frighten the hell out of me with their need to battle the
>> pedophile cannibals who are completely imaginary.  A lot of people on both
>> of these wings imagine that the silent majority secretly supports them.   I
>> think the silent majority is silent for the same reason you silently ignore
>> a raving street preacher.  Meanwhile a lot of politicians have noted that
>> the loud and crazy people are more motivated to vote.
>>
>>
>>
>> Actual policy discussion becomes mired in the craziness.  "Oh you like
>> free markets?  Must be a white supremacist."
>>
>> "Oh you're concerned the American police resort to violence more often
>> than those in other countries.  You're a pawn of the pedophile cannibal
>> cabal."  Interesting times.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 10/6/2020 6:26 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP 
>> 
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>>
>> *From: *"Bill Prince" mailto:part15...@gmail.com
>> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
>> *Sent: *Tuesday, October 6, 2020 5:23:18 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Royalty deal
>>
>> Q is the supposed "leader" of Qanon. Personally, I think there is
>> probably more than one Q, and they may or may not coordinate their
>> message(s). I think they could be more effective if they weren't so out and
>> out bonkers. Eat babies? really?
>>
>>
>>
>> bp
>>
>> 
>>
>> On 10/6/2020 10:58 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>
>> is that a real conspiracy?
>>
>>
>>
>> My wife had a friend over the other day, first time I ever met a real Q
>> believer. weird shit. is Q not the same as Qanon? cause Qanon I always
>> tho