Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

[Lewis Bergman]

I was born there, but no. Tidbit news of the day.

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:51 PM  wrote:

> Anyone here serve McAllen?
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 3:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>
> This is from some guy named Todd that was looped in by Ken who I contacted
> to start with.
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> Who did you talk to at Aviat? Ken Ruppel is the main contact for WISPs. I
>> can share his email off list if you want.
>>
>> We're mostly utilizing SIAE today. Working in a couple Aviat links soon
>> just to have some vendor diversity. Both fall well within your budget.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Aviat should not be $35K for an all-outdoor link, even with their dual
>>> core radios which you don’t need for 100 Mbps capacity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The most discussed options on the list seem to be Aviat, SIAE and
>>> Cambium/Ceragon, maybe also Dragonwave.  Any of them should come in under
>>> $20K for a link including antennas and license keys.  You’re not talking
>>> something crazy like 12 ft dishes, are you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 12:16 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know which model it was. They sent me a chart  and the least
>>> expensive link was something on the order of $35k. They had 3 different
>>> models listed. All indoor, split, and all outdoor. AF11 is not in the
>>> picture. When I say less expensive, I mean something on the order of $20k
>>> or less for the link and antenna. So not super cheap.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> 13 km is around 8 miles so you’re looking at 6 or 11 GHz, probably 11.
>>> Any licensed radio will do 100 Mbps.  I don’t know about 6 nines, that’s a
>>> lot of nines.  Obviously depends on your rain zone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If Aviat is too expensive for your budget, and given that you don’t need
>>> really high throughput, it sounds like a job for Ubiquiti AF11.  I don’t
>>> have any of them, but it seems like a match for low price without industry
>>> leading modulation or spectral efficiency.  Only downside is I think maybe
>>> you need to license both polarizations, so might be slightly more difficult
>>> to coordinate in a congested area.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which Aviat model were you looking at?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 11:45 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So Guru's,
>>>
>>> Is there a favorite backhaul link for licensed links about 13KM long
>>> that will yield 5 or 6 9's and at least 100Mbs. I have priced Ariat and I
>>> think they are out of my range.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

[Lewis Bergman]

I have this. Not exactly what you are looking for but maybe there is some
useful stuff in there for you.

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> Something that goes over responsibilities, keeping it clean, driving
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Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

[Chuck McCown]

We have a pre shift inspection check list and a minimum equipment and tool 
list.  Our employer handbook speaks to what is expected.

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Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

[can...@believewireless.net]

Who checks behind the employee? Do they check daily? Weekly? Unchecked, a
truck can go from perfect to nightmare in a week.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:07 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> We have a pre shift inspection check list and a minimum equipment and tool
> list.  Our employer handbook speaks to what is expected.
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[AFMUG] OT Good news?

[chuck]

Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.
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Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

[chuck]

End of shift we have one of those monster dumpsters that they pull up beside 
and clean the inside and outside of the truck.  We also have two steam cleaners 
to wash the outsides when they start looking bad.  

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Who checks behind the employee? Do they check daily? Weekly? Unchecked, a truck 
can go from perfect to nightmare in a week.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:07 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

  We have a pre shift inspection check list and a minimum equipment and tool 
list.  Our employer handbook speaks to what is expected.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Robert]

Yup, that's what you get with controlling the data and reducing the 
testing rates...   Here in our county the testing rate has been reduced 
by 2/3 because the resources of the national guard have been pulled.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[chuck]

Our Utah curve looks even better than this and we have plenty of testing 
capability and are doing more tests than ever before.  
No natl guard involvement at all...

We can test 7000 per day here but only have a demand for about 1300 tests per 
day.  
Again, no natl guard involvement ... ;-)

My wife just pointed out that once school starts it will blow this curve.  

From: Robert 
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To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

Yup, that's what you get with controlling the data and reducing the testing 
rates...   Here in our county the testing rate has been reduced by 2/3 because 
the resources of the national guard have been pulled.   


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

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I think the most important chart is deaths per population


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[chuck]

Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.  

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I think the most important chart is deaths per population 

 

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Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

[Mathew Howard]

I don't quite understand how they're coming up with that pricing. I'm
guessing that must be for WTM4200 dual transceiver radios, which there's
really no need for if you're only looking for 100Mbps capacity, but even
then, it seems high to me.

I don't even see any antennas that expensive listed in Aviat's store, so I
don't know how they're coming up with that either, unless they're just
giving you really bad pricing compared to the rest of us.

I'm coming up with around $7500 for a complete WTM 4100 single polarity
link with 4' dishes, licensed for up to 500Mbps. Even if you need to go up
to 6' dishes, add spares, extended warranty FCC licensing and whatever
various accessories I might have missed, it should be well under $20k (I
would guess more like $12k-$15k max).
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Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

[Cameron Crum]

Coba Systems is down in McAllen...mostly RV parks but does have some
wireless in the area.  https://cobainternet.com/

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:51 PM  wrote:

> Anyone here serve McAllen?
>
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 3:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>
> This is from some guy named Todd that was looped in by Ken who I contacted
> to start with.
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Joe Novak  wrote:
>
>> Who did you talk to at Aviat? Ken Ruppel is the main contact for WISPs. I
>> can share his email off list if you want.
>>
>> We're mostly utilizing SIAE today. Working in a couple Aviat links soon
>> just to have some vendor diversity. Both fall well within your budget.
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>
>>> Aviat should not be $35K for an all-outdoor link, even with their dual
>>> core radios which you don’t need for 100 Mbps capacity.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The most discussed options on the list seem to be Aviat, SIAE and
>>> Cambium/Ceragon, maybe also Dragonwave.  Any of them should come in under
>>> $20K for a link including antennas and license keys.  You’re not talking
>>> something crazy like 12 ft dishes, are you?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 12:16 PM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't know which model it was. They sent me a chart  and the least
>>> expensive link was something on the order of $35k. They had 3 different
>>> models listed. All indoor, split, and all outdoor. AF11 is not in the
>>> picture. When I say less expensive, I mean something on the order of $20k
>>> or less for the link and antenna. So not super cheap.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
>>> 13 km is around 8 miles so you’re looking at 6 or 11 GHz, probably 11.
>>> Any licensed radio will do 100 Mbps.  I don’t know about 6 nines, that’s a
>>> lot of nines.  Obviously depends on your rain zone.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If Aviat is too expensive for your budget, and given that you don’t need
>>> really high throughput, it sounds like a job for Ubiquiti AF11.  I don’t
>>> have any of them, but it seems like a match for low price without industry
>>> leading modulation or spectral efficiency.  Only downside is I think maybe
>>> you need to license both polarizations, so might be slightly more difficult
>>> to coordinate in a congested area.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Which Aviat model were you looking at?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
>>> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 11:45 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So Guru's,
>>>
>>> Is there a favorite backhaul link for licensed links about 13KM long
>>> that will yield 5 or 6 9's and at least 100Mbs. I have priced Ariat and I
>>> think they are out of my range.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
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>>>
>>> 325-439-0533 Cell
>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Lewis Bergman]

I am not into conspiracy theories. I am into economics, and how that drives
decisions. I say that delete into this Colin I had 3 friends that went to
get tested. All of them filled out the paperwork but after 3 hours got
tired of waiting. They all left without testing. One week later they all
received positive results from the covid test they supposedly took.
 I don't know if the testing site gets paid for test performed so has an
incentive to decide one way or the other even if they don't perform a test

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
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> The virus doesn't care about statistics.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[James Howard]

But how many are actually very sick?  There have been a lot of people testing 
positive around here with nothing more than cold symptoms and sometimes a 
headache for a day.  Our county has been flipping out because of higher numbers 
of positive tests and put in more restrictions.  They kept saying in the media 
that the higher number of positive tests were NOT because of higher overall 
numbers of tests.  Then last week it comes out that they were holding back 
large numbers of negative tests to keep the % where they wanted it.  All of a 
sudden the story changed to be that the large number of negative tests WAS ONLY 
because there had been SO MANY more tests done overall.  The positive % was 
pretty much exactly the same as it has been for many weeks but that number 
meant they had to ease restrictions (according to their plan that they put out) 
but they obviously wanted to increase restrictions..

The best "science" so far though has been when they claimed that it was 
"scientifically proven" that the peaceful protests (aka riots) didn't cause ANY 
spike in the positive test numbers BECAUSE they asked every single person who 
tested positive a series of questions and almost everybody (I believe it was 
around 98%) refused to answer the question about whether they had participated 
in a "protest".  They did however answer the other questions and say that they 
had been in family gatherings and spent time at bars.  Very good science 
there.  2% said they didn't protest, 98% refused to answer so it's 
completely obvious that protesting didn't play any role..  so the county 
put restrictions on all gatherings and essentially shut down any bar that 
didn't have outdoor seating and serve food (except of course for the "peaceful 
protests" who continue to gather whenever/wherever they want and shut down 
roads etc).



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Our Utah curve looks even better than this and we have plenty of testing 
capability and are doing more tests than ever before.
No natl guard involvement at all...

We can test 7000 per day here but only have a demand for about 1300 tests per 
day.
Again, no natl guard involvement ... ;-)

My wife just pointed out that once school starts it will blow this curve.

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Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:08 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

Yup, that's what you get with controlling the data and reducing the testing 
rates...   Here in our county the testing rate has been reduced by 2/3 because 
the resources of the national guard have been pulled.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Carl Peterson]

Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are still going up while it
looks like new cases are starting to go down.
Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual.
Testing rates are continuing to rise.

Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on and
are wearing their masks now.


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[James Howard]

It would be nice if only actual covid deaths were being counted……

A shirt tail relative of one of our employees died a while back and was listed 
as covid.  Turned out she overdosed on pills, went into the bathroom and tried 
to make herself throw up, slipped, gashed her head open and bled to death.   
And as far as I know it’s still one of the covid deaths counted in this area.

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Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.

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Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

[chuck]

Huge canopy install going on there.  I don’t think the company is Frontier but 
something similar.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:37 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

Coba Systems is down in McAllen...mostly RV parks but does have some wireless 
in the area.  https://cobainternet.com/

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:51 PM  wrote:

  Anyone here serve McAllen?

  From: Lewis Bergman 
  Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 3:07 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

  This is from some guy named Todd that was looped in by Ken who I contacted to 
start with. 

  On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Joe Novak  wrote:

Who did you talk to at Aviat? Ken Ruppel is the main contact for WISPs. I 
can share his email off list if you want. 

We're mostly utilizing SIAE today. Working in a couple Aviat links soon 
just to have some vendor diversity. Both fall well within your budget.


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  Aviat should not be $35K for an all-outdoor link, even with their dual 
core radios which you don’t need for 100 Mbps capacity.



  The most discussed options on the list seem to be Aviat, SIAE and 
Cambium/Ceragon, maybe also Dragonwave.  Any of them should come in under $20K 
for a link including antennas and license keys.  You’re not talking something 
crazy like 12 ft dishes, are you?



  From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
  Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 12:16 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links



  I don't know which model it was. They sent me a chart  and the least 
expensive link was something on the order of $35k. They had 3 different models 
listed. All indoor, split, and all outdoor. AF11 is not in the picture. When I 
say less expensive, I mean something on the order of $20k or less for the link 
and antenna. So not super cheap.



  On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

13 km is around 8 miles so you’re looking at 6 or 11 GHz, probably 11.  
Any licensed radio will do 100 Mbps.  I don’t know about 6 nines, that’s a lot 
of nines.  Obviously depends on your rain zone.



If Aviat is too expensive for your budget, and given that you don’t 
need really high throughput, it sounds like a job for Ubiquiti AF11.  I don’t 
have any of them, but it seems like a match for low price without industry 
leading modulation or spectral efficiency.  Only downside is I think maybe you 
need to license both polarizations, so might be slightly more difficult to 
coordinate in a congested area.



Which Aviat model were you looking at?





From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Backhaul links



So Guru's,

Is there a favorite backhaul link for licensed links about 13KM long 
that will yield 5 or 6 9's and at least 100Mbs. I have priced Ariat and I think 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[chuck]

Well, the wife of one of my employees has it.  He moved out and self 
quarantined.  He doesn’t have it.  He tested negative, she tested positive.  
Seems to be working OK for me.  There was no reluctance to administer the 
tests.  No delay.  Results were back in a day.  

From: James Howard 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:48 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

But how many are actually very sick?  There have been a lot of people testing 
positive around here with nothing more than cold symptoms and sometimes a 
headache for a day.  Our county has been flipping out because of higher numbers 
of positive tests and put in more restrictions.  They kept saying in the media 
that the higher number of positive tests were NOT because of higher overall 
numbers of tests.  Then last week it comes out that they were holding back 
large numbers of negative tests to keep the % where they wanted it.  All of a 
sudden the story changed to be that the large number of negative tests WAS ONLY 
because there had been SO MANY more tests done overall.  The positive % was 
pretty much exactly the same as it has been for many weeks but that number 
meant they had to ease restrictions (according to their plan that they put out) 
but they obviously wanted to increase restrictions……

 

The best “science” so far though has been when they claimed that it was 
“scientifically proven” that the peaceful protests (aka riots) didn’t cause ANY 
spike in the positive test numbers BECAUSE they asked every single person who 
tested positive a series of questions and almost everybody (I believe it was 
around 98%) refused to answer the question about whether they had participated 
in a “protest”.  They did however answer the other questions and say that they 
had been in family gatherings and spent time at bars.  Very good science 
there…..  2% said they didn’t protest, 98% refused to answer so it’s completely 
obvious that protesting didn’t play any role……  so the county put restrictions 
on all gatherings and essentially shut down any bar that didn’t have outdoor 
seating and serve food (except of course for the “peaceful protests” who 
continue to gather whenever/wherever they want and shut down roads etc).

 

 

 

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Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

 

Our Utah curve looks even better than this and we have plenty of testing 
capability and are doing more tests than ever before.  

No natl guard involvement at all...

 

We can test 7000 per day here but only have a demand for about 1300 tests per 
day.  

Again, no natl guard involvement ... ;-)

 

My wife just pointed out that once school starts it will blow this curve.  

 

From: Robert 

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:08 AM

To: af@af.afmug.com 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

 

Yup, that's what you get with controlling the data and reducing the testing 
rates...   Here in our county the testing rate has been reduced by 2/3 because 
the resources of the national guard have been pulled.   

On 8/4/20 7:56 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.







 




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Nate Burke]

When I was seeing my Primary doc for a physical, he said that he feels 
the only numbers worth looking at are % of positive tests, and 
Deaths/infections.  The total numbers don't mean anything.


Here in Illinois, we're sitting at ~4% positive for the last week, but 
4.6% positive yesterday, we were at 2.8% positive a month ago. I think 
some of the 'bad' states are upwards of 10% positive.



On 8/4/2020 10:29 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

Yeahbut it isn’t looking terrific yet.  It has flattened.
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*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

I think the most important chart is deaths per population

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Jaime Solorza]

What surprised me the most is how many actually believed an inept moron
over an expert trained on this..
Unbelievable

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:

> Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are still going up while it
> looks like new cases are starting to go down.
> Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual.
> Testing rates are continuing to rise.
>
> Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on
> and are wearing their masks now.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
>> The virus doesn't care about statistics.
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 8:57 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.
>>> [image: image]
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[chuck]

Used to be when the boss “had your back” he was not likely to stick knives in 
it

(Sorry, very unlentin of me.  )

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:59 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

What surprised me the most is how many actually believed an inept moron over an 
expert trained on this.. 
Unbelievable

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50 AM Carl Peterson  wrote:

  Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are still going up while it 
looks like new cases are starting to go down.  
  Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual.  
Testing rates are continuing to rise.  

  Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on and 
are wearing their masks now.  


  On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza  
wrote:

The virus doesn't care about statistics.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 8:57 AM  wrote:

  Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.

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[AFMUG] Mikrotik Download Webpage 404

[Nate Burke]

Only the download page is giving me a 404 error.

I'm guessing some of you on the list have direct access to the Tik guys 
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Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

[Lewis Bergman]

Chuck,
What steam cleaners are you talking about? I might be interested if they
don't make too big a mess. I have a high top van (extended roof) that won't
fit in any automated wash.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:02 AM  wrote:

> End of shift we have one of those monster dumpsters that they pull up
> beside and clean the inside and outside of the truck.  We also have two
> steam cleaners to wash the outsides when they start looking bad.
>
> *From:* can...@believewireless.net
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2020 8:50 AM
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>
> Who checks behind the employee? Do they check daily? Weekly? Unchecked, a
> truck can go from perfect to nightmare in a week.
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:07 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> We have a pre shift inspection check list and a minimum equipment and
>> tool list.  Our employer handbook speaks to what is expected.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Aug 3, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Matt Hoppes <
>> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Does anyone have an example of a sheet for vehicle assignment to
>> employees?
>> >
>> > Something that goes over responsibilities, keeping it clean, driving
>> safely, employee requirement for maintenance.
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Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

[chuck]

I have a gasoline/kerosene Hotsy. 
And a natural gas/electricity Hotsy.  

I really like both of them.  The natural gas/electric one is nice as you never 
have to go get fuel.  Just turn it on.
It is mounted inside with a hatch for the hose going out the wall of the shop.

The gasoline unit is great as it is on wheels and you can take it somewhere as 
long as you have a supply of water.  
The place where they really shine is when you have to work on equipment.  
Nothing like having it factory clean before it comes inside.
No inches of grease and dirt buildup to dig through.  

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:38 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

Chuck, 
What steam cleaners are you talking about? I might be interested if they don't 
make too big a mess. I have a high top van (extended roof) that won't fit in 
any automated wash.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:02 AM  wrote:

  End of shift we have one of those monster dumpsters that they pull up beside 
and clean the inside and outside of the truck.  We also have two steam cleaners 
to wash the outsides when they start looking bad.  

  From: can...@believewireless.net 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 8:50 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

  Who checks behind the employee? Do they check daily? Weekly? Unchecked, a 
truck can go from perfect to nightmare in a week.

  On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:07 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

We have a pre shift inspection check list and a minimum equipment and tool 
list.  Our employer handbook speaks to what is expected.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 3, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have an example of a sheet for vehicle assignment to 
employees?
> 
> Something that goes over responsibilities, keeping it clean, driving 
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Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

[Cameron Crum]

Nextlink moving in maybe?

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:57 AM  wrote:

> Huge canopy install going on there.  I don’t think the company is Frontier
> but something similar.
>
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:37 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>
> Coba Systems is down in McAllen...mostly RV parks but does have some
> wireless in the area.  https://cobainternet.com/
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:51 PM  wrote:
>
>> Anyone here serve McAllen?
>>
>> *From:* Lewis Bergman
>> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 3:07 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>>
>> This is from some guy named Todd that was looped in by Ken who I
>> contacted to start with.
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Joe Novak  wrote:
>>
>>> Who did you talk to at Aviat? Ken Ruppel is the main contact for WISPs.
>>> I can share his email off list if you want.
>>>
>>> We're mostly utilizing SIAE today. Working in a couple Aviat links soon
>>> just to have some vendor diversity. Both fall well within your budget.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>>>
 Aviat should not be $35K for an all-outdoor link, even with their dual
 core radios which you don’t need for 100 Mbps capacity.



 The most discussed options on the list seem to be Aviat, SIAE and
 Cambium/Ceragon, maybe also Dragonwave.  Any of them should come in under
 $20K for a link including antennas and license keys.  You’re not talking
 something crazy like 12 ft dishes, are you?



 *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Lewis Bergman
 *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 12:16 PM
 *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
 *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links



 I don't know which model it was. They sent me a chart  and the least
 expensive link was something on the order of $35k. They had 3 different
 models listed. All indoor, split, and all outdoor. AF11 is not in the
 picture. When I say less expensive, I mean something on the order of $20k
 or less for the link and antenna. So not super cheap.



 On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

 13 km is around 8 miles so you’re looking at 6 or 11 GHz, probably 11.
 Any licensed radio will do 100 Mbps.  I don’t know about 6 nines, that’s a
 lot of nines.  Obviously depends on your rain zone.



 If Aviat is too expensive for your budget, and given that you don’t
 need really high throughput, it sounds like a job for Ubiquiti AF11.  I
 don’t have any of them, but it seems like a match for low price without
 industry leading modulation or spectral efficiency.  Only downside is I
 think maybe you need to license both polarizations, so might be slightly
 more difficult to coordinate in a congested area.



 Which Aviat model were you looking at?





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 *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 11:45 AM
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 *Subject:* [AFMUG] Backhaul links



 So Guru's,

 Is there a favorite backhaul link for licensed links about 13KM long
 that will yield 5 or 6 9's and at least 100Mbs. I have priced Ariat and I
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Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

[chuck]

I hear hundreds of Cambiums (should have not said Canopy) going up.  

From: Cameron Crum 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 12:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

Nextlink moving in maybe?

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:57 AM  wrote:

  Huge canopy install going on there.  I don’t think the company is Frontier 
but something similar.  

  From: Cameron Crum 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:37 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

  Coba Systems is down in McAllen...mostly RV parks but does have some wireless 
in the area.  https://cobainternet.com/

  On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:51 PM  wrote:

Anyone here serve McAllen?

From: Lewis Bergman 
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 3:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

This is from some guy named Todd that was looped in by Ken who I contacted 
to start with. 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Joe Novak  wrote:

  Who did you talk to at Aviat? Ken Ruppel is the main contact for WISPs. I 
can share his email off list if you want. 

  We're mostly utilizing SIAE today. Working in a couple Aviat links soon 
just to have some vendor diversity. Both fall well within your budget.


  On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

Aviat should not be $35K for an all-outdoor link, even with their dual 
core radios which you don’t need for 100 Mbps capacity.



The most discussed options on the list seem to be Aviat, SIAE and 
Cambium/Ceragon, maybe also Dragonwave.  Any of them should come in under $20K 
for a link including antennas and license keys.  You’re not talking something 
crazy like 12 ft dishes, are you?



From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 12:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links



I don't know which model it was. They sent me a chart  and the least 
expensive link was something on the order of $35k. They had 3 different models 
listed. All indoor, split, and all outdoor. AF11 is not in the picture. When I 
say less expensive, I mean something on the order of $20k or less for the link 
and antenna. So not super cheap.



On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

  13 km is around 8 miles so you’re looking at 6 or 11 GHz, probably 
11.  Any licensed radio will do 100 Mbps.  I don’t know about 6 nines, that’s a 
lot of nines.  Obviously depends on your rain zone.



  If Aviat is too expensive for your budget, and given that you don’t 
need really high throughput, it sounds like a job for Ubiquiti AF11.  I don’t 
have any of them, but it seems like a match for low price without industry 
leading modulation or spectral efficiency.  Only downside is I think maybe you 
need to license both polarizations, so might be slightly more difficult to 
coordinate in a congested area.



  Which Aviat model were you looking at?





  From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
  Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:45 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: [AFMUG] Backhaul links



  So Guru's,

  Is there a favorite backhaul link for licensed links about 13KM long 
that will yield 5 or 6 9's and at least 100Mbs. I have priced Ariat and I think 
they are out of my range.




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Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

[Ken Hohhof]

So a pressure washer, or maybe a hot water pressure washer?  Not actually a 
steam cleaner?

 

Is a Hotsy like a Hotsy Totsy?  Does this involve Debralee Scott?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 1:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

 

I have a gasoline/kerosene Hotsy. 

And a natural gas/electricity Hotsy.  

 

I really like both of them.  The natural gas/electric one is nice as you never 
have to go get fuel.  Just turn it on.

It is mounted inside with a hatch for the hose going out the wall of the shop.

 

The gasoline unit is great as it is on wheels and you can take it somewhere as 
long as you have a supply of water.  

The place where they really shine is when you have to work on equipment.  
Nothing like having it factory clean before it comes inside.

No inches of grease and dirt buildup to dig through.  

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:38 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

 

Chuck, 

What steam cleaners are you talking about? I might be interested if they don't 
make too big a mess. I have a high top van (extended roof) that won't fit in 
any automated wash.

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:02 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

End of shift we have one of those monster dumpsters that they pull up beside 
and clean the inside and outside of the truck.  We also have two steam cleaners 
to wash the outsides when they start looking bad.  

 

From: can...@believewireless.net   

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 8:50 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

 

Who checks behind the employee? Do they check daily? Weekly? Unchecked, a truck 
can go from perfect to nightmare in a week.

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:07 AM Chuck McCown mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

We have a pre shift inspection check list and a minimum equipment and tool 
list.  Our employer handbook speaks to what is expected.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 3, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Matt Hoppes   > wrote:
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> Does anyone have an example of a sheet for vehicle assignment to employees?
> 
> Something that goes over responsibilities, keeping it clean, driving safely, 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Testing data is being suppressed and hidden at this point because
  it is going through a private company that OCP did a no bid
  contract with. Reports are that the data is disappearing and/or
  taking a two-week detour.


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  wrote:


  
  

  Our Utah curve looks even better than this and we have
plenty of testing capability and are doing more tests than
ever before.  
  No natl guard involvement at all...
   
  We can test 7000 per day here but only have a demand for
about 1300 tests per day.  
  Again, no natl guard involvement ... ;-)
   
  My wife just pointed out that once school starts it will
blow this curve.  
  

   
  
From: Robert 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:08 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
  

 
  
  Yup,
  that's what you get with controlling the data and reducing
  the testing rates...   Here in our county the testing rate
  has been reduced by 2/3 because the resources of the
  national guard have been pulled.   

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[AFMUG] OT Tortillas

[chuck]

My wife is always buying industrial size bags of tortillas.  
As if we still had a household of 12 people.

I am well known for eating slightly expired (normally less than a decade) food.
But I have never liked the idea of old tortillas.  The corn ones start to break 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Tortillas

[Jaime Solorza]

Do you have a comal?

Best thing for warming up tortillas

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 12:40 PM  wrote:

> My wife is always buying industrial size bags of tortillas.
> As if we still had a household of 12 people.
>
> I am well known for eating slightly expired (normally less than a decade)
> food.
> But I have never liked the idea of old tortillas.  The corn ones start to
> break if they get too old.
>
> I guess I don’t need to worry:
>
> https://firstwefeast.com/eat/2014/07/nasa-launched-taco-bells-tortillas-into-space
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Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

[chuck]

Yeah, but I can crank it up to boiling temp if I want.  But yes, hot 
pressurized water with a soap injector.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 12:29 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

So a pressure washer, or maybe a hot water pressure washer?  Not actually a 
steam cleaner?

 

Is a Hotsy like a Hotsy Totsy?  Does this involve Debralee Scott?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 1:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

 

I have a gasoline/kerosene Hotsy. 

And a natural gas/electricity Hotsy.  

 

I really like both of them.  The natural gas/electric one is nice as you never 
have to go get fuel.  Just turn it on.

It is mounted inside with a hatch for the hose going out the wall of the shop.

 

The gasoline unit is great as it is on wheels and you can take it somewhere as 
long as you have a supply of water.  

The place where they really shine is when you have to work on equipment.  
Nothing like having it factory clean before it comes inside.

No inches of grease and dirt buildup to dig through.  

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 11:38 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

 

Chuck, 

What steam cleaners are you talking about? I might be interested if they don't 
make too big a mess. I have a high top van (extended roof) that won't fit in 
any automated wash.

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:02 AM  wrote:

  End of shift we have one of those monster dumpsters that they pull up beside 
and clean the inside and outside of the truck.  We also have two steam cleaners 
to wash the outsides when they start looking bad.  

   

  From: can...@believewireless.net 

  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 8:50 AM

  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Vehicle Assignment Sheet

   

  Who checks behind the employee? Do they check daily? Weekly? Unchecked, a 
truck can go from perfect to nightmare in a week.

   

  On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:07 AM Chuck McCown  wrote:

We have a pre shift inspection check list and a minimum equipment and tool 
list.  Our employer handbook speaks to what is expected.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 3, 2020, at 7:47 PM, Matt Hoppes 
 wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have an example of a sheet for vehicle assignment to 
employees?
> 
> Something that goes over responsibilities, keeping it clean, driving 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Tortillas

[chuck]

Yes, we have one with a handle on it like a frying pan.  But we also have a 
griddle that we can put over the burners.  I like that better.  I can do about 
5 tortillas at the same time if I do it right.  

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 12:45 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Tortillas

Do you have a comal? 

Best thing for warming up tortillas

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 12:40 PM  wrote:

  My wife is always buying industrial size bags of tortillas.  
  As if we still had a household of 12 people.

  I am well known for eating slightly expired (normally less than a decade) 
food.
  But I have never liked the idea of old tortillas.  The corn ones start to 
break if they get too old.

  I guess I don’t need to worry:
  
https://firstwefeast.com/eat/2014/07/nasa-launched-taco-bells-tortillas-into-space
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Mike Hammett]

People believe inept morons all of the time, generally a group of left morons 
and a group of right morons. 




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From: "Jaime Solorza"  
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"  
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:59:29 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news? 


What surprised me the most is how many actually believed an inept moron over an 
expert trained on this.. 
Unbelievable 


On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50 AM Carl Peterson < cpeter...@portnetworks.com > 
wrote: 




Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator. Deaths are still going up while it looks 
like new cases are starting to go down. 
Robbert - No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual. Testing 
rates are continuing to rise. 


Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on and are 
wearing their masks now. 





On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza < losguyswirel...@gmail.com > 
wrote: 



The virus doesn't care about statistics. 


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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
It's those center morons you have to watch out for. 



bp



On 8/4/2020 12:07 PM, Mike Hammett
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  People believe inept morons all of the
time, generally a group of left morons and a group of right
morons.


  
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From:
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  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"
  
  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:59:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
  
  What surprised me the most is how many
actually believed an inept moron over an expert trained on
this..
Unbelievable
  
  
  
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50
  AM Carl Peterson 
  wrote:


  
Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are
  still going up while it looks like new cases are
  starting to go down.  
Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and
  is counterfactual.  Testing rates are continuing to
  rise.  


Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are
  starting to catch on and are wearing their masks
  now.  





  On Tue, Aug 4, 2020
at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:
  
  
The virus doesn't care about
  statistics.


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2020, 8:57 AM 
wrote:
  
  

  

  Not wanting to jinx this but it looks
promising.
  

  

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[can...@believewireless.net]

Galileo was an inept moron. Tesla was an inept moron. Lots of inept morons
throughout history.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:08 PM Mike Hammett  wrote:

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> morons and a group of right morons.
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> -
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> 
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> *Sent: *Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:59:29 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>
> What surprised me the most is how many actually believed an inept moron
> over an expert trained on this..
> Unbelievable
>
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50 AM Carl Peterson 
> wrote:
>
>> Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are still going up while
>> it looks like new cases are starting to go down.
>> Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual.
>> Testing rates are continuing to rise.
>>
>> Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on
>> and are wearing their masks now.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The virus doesn't care about statistics.
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 8:57 AM  wrote:
>>>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
but Newton was special.


bp



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Galileo was
  an inept moron. Tesla was an inept moron. Lots of inept morons
  throughout history.
  
  
  
On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 3:08 PM
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People
  believe inept morons all of the time, generally a group of
  left morons and a group of right morons.
  
  

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  Internet Exchange

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  From:
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To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:59:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

What surprised me the most is how many
  actually believed an inept moron over an expert
  trained on this..
  Unbelievable



  On Tue, Aug 4, 2020,
9:50 AM Carl Peterson 
wrote:
  
  

  Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator. 
Deaths are still going up while it looks like
new cases are starting to go down.  
  Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero
sense and is counterfactual.  Testing rates are
continuing to rise.  
  
  
  Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb
asses are starting to catch on and are wearing
their masks now.  
  
  
  
  
  
On Tue, Aug 4,
  2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
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  The virus doesn't care about
statistics.
  
  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

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Maybe all the stupid people have gotten infected by now? Just a
  guess.


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Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

[Ken Hohhof]

Sounds like someone got some gov’t money?

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 1:27 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

 

I hear hundreds of Cambiums (should have not said Canopy) going up.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 12:16 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

 

Nextlink moving in maybe?

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:57 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Huge canopy install going on there.  I don’t think the company is Frontier but 
something similar.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:37 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

 

Coba Systems is down in McAllen...mostly RV parks but does have some wireless 
in the area.  https://cobainternet.com/

 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:51 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Anyone here serve McAllen?

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 3:07 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

 

This is from some guy named Todd that was looped in by Ken who I contacted to 
start with. 

 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Joe Novak mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

Who did you talk to at Aviat? Ken Ruppel is the main contact for WISPs. I can 
share his email off list if you want. 

 

We're mostly utilizing SIAE today. Working in a couple Aviat links soon just to 
have some vendor diversity. Both fall well within your budget.

 

 

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Aviat should not be $35K for an all-outdoor link, even with their dual core 
radios which you don’t need for 100 Mbps capacity.

 

The most discussed options on the list seem to be Aviat, SIAE and 
Cambium/Ceragon, maybe also Dragonwave.  Any of them should come in under $20K 
for a link including antennas and license keys.  You’re not talking something 
crazy like 12 ft dishes, are you?

 

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Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 12:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
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I don't know which model it was. They sent me a chart  and the least expensive 
link was something on the order of $35k. They had 3 different models listed. 
All indoor, split, and all outdoor. AF11 is not in the picture. When I say less 
expensive, I mean something on the order of $20k or less for the link and 
antenna. So not super cheap.

 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

13 km is around 8 miles so you’re looking at 6 or 11 GHz, probably 11.  Any 
licensed radio will do 100 Mbps.  I don’t know about 6 nines, that’s a lot of 
nines.  Obviously depends on your rain zone.

 

If Aviat is too expensive for your budget, and given that you don’t need really 
high throughput, it sounds like a job for Ubiquiti AF11.  I don’t have any of 
them, but it seems like a match for low price without industry leading 
modulation or spectral efficiency.  Only downside is I think maybe you need to 
license both polarizations, so might be slightly more difficult to coordinate 
in a congested area.

 

Which Aviat model were you looking at?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

 

So Guru's,

Is there a favorite backhaul link for licensed links about 13KM long that will 
yield 5 or 6 9's and at least 100Mbs. I have priced Ariat and I think they are 
out of my range.


 

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Chuck McCown]

I deeply resemble that comment,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> It's those center morons you have to watch out for. 
> 
> 
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 8/4/2020 12:07 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
>> People believe inept morons all of the time, generally a group of left 
>> morons and a group of right morons.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> Mike Hammett
>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>> 
>> Midwest Internet Exchange
>> 
>> The Brothers WISP
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: "Jaime Solorza" 
>> To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:59:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
>> 
>> What surprised me the most is how many actually believed an inept moron over 
>> an expert trained on this..
>> Unbelievable
>> 
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50 AM Carl Peterson  
>> wrote:
>>> Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are still going up while it 
>>> looks like new cases are starting to go down.  
>>> Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual.  
>>> Testing rates are continuing to rise.  
>>> 
>>> Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on and 
>>> are wearing their masks now.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza  
>>> wrote:
 The virus doesn't care about statistics.
 
 On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 8:57 AM  wrote:
> Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.
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Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

[Caleb Knauer]

If you open it up it gives you the full BOM.  Link is $17k with 6' RFS
dishes, stiff arms, leg mounts, cables, blah blah blah.  I haven't
priced an RFS or hung one but I'd imagine they're up there with the
others in terms of pricing (bling bling y'all). It's also all remote
mount which adds cost.  Kind of a strange build.

Also the spares column looks like they goofed cuz they got an
additional 4x spare ODU's on there with full licences.  Maybe it's
like Contact where why build 1 when you ban build 2 for twice the
price?

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:29 AM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> I don't quite understand how they're coming up with that pricing. I'm 
> guessing that must be for WTM4200 dual transceiver radios, which there's 
> really no need for if you're only looking for 100Mbps capacity, but even 
> then, it seems high to me.
>
> I don't even see any antennas that expensive listed in Aviat's store, so I 
> don't know how they're coming up with that either, unless they're just giving 
> you really bad pricing compared to the rest of us.
>
> I'm coming up with around $7500 for a complete WTM 4100 single polarity link 
> with 4' dishes, licensed for up to 500Mbps. Even if you need to go up to 6' 
> dishes, add spares, extended warranty FCC licensing and whatever various 
> accessories I might have missed, it should be well under $20k (I would guess 
> more like $12k-$15k max).
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Ken Hohhof]

A marketing course once taught me that if there were two hot dog stands on a 
crowded beach* they would be right next to each other in the middle.  Whereas 
the public would be best served if they were spaced at the 1/3 and 2/3 points 
to minimize the distance anyone would have to walk to get a hot dog.

 

In politics, however, the hot dog stands would be at the far ends of the beach, 
with none in the middle.  Maybe a result of the 2 party system and any moderate 
candidate getting “primaried”.

 

* crowded beach = a historical reference from the before times

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 2:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

 

I deeply resemble that comment,

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On Aug 4, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

It's those center morons you have to watch out for. 

 

bp

 

On 8/4/2020 12:07 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

People believe inept morons all of the time, generally a group of left morons 
and a group of right morons.



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From: "Jaime Solorza"   

To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group"   

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:59:29 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

What surprised me the most is how many actually believed an inept moron over an 
expert trained on this.. 

Unbelievable

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50 AM Carl Peterson mailto:cpeter...@portnetworks.com> > wrote:

Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are still going up while it 
looks like new cases are starting to go down.  

Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual.  Testing 
rates are continuing to rise.  

 

Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on and are 
wearing their masks now.  

 

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza mailto:losguyswirel...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The virus doesn't care about statistics.

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 8:57 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > wrote:

Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[Bill Prince]

  
  
A few years ago California instituted a "top 2" primary system,
  where all candidates from all parties were thrown into a single
  primary. The top-two vote getters (regardless of party) would go
  on to the regular election. The theory was that the left/right
  extremes would move closer to center. That has happened somewhat,
  but I think it would have been better with a "top 3".


bp



On 8/4/2020 1:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
A marketing course once taught me that if
  there were two hot dog stands on a crowded beach* they would
  be right next to each other in the middle.  Whereas the public
  would be best served if they were spaced at the 1/3 and 2/3
  points to minimize the distance anyone would have to walk to
  get a hot dog.
 
In politics, however, the hot dog stands
  would be at the far ends of the beach, with none in the
  middle.  Maybe a result of the 2 party system and any moderate
  candidate getting “primaried”.

   

* crowded beach = a historical reference
  from the before times
 
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Chuck
  McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 2:43 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
  

 
I deeply
  resemble that comment,

  Sent from my iPhone


  


  
On Aug 4,
  2020, at 1:10 PM, Bill Prince 
  wrote:
  


  
 
It's those center morons you have to watch out for. 
 
bp

 

  On 8/4/2020 12:07 PM, Mike Hammett
wrote:


  
People
believe inept morons all of the time, generally a
group of left morons and a group of right morons.

  
  
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Intelligent Computing
  Solutions

Midwest Internet
  Exchange

The Brothers WISP

  
  





  From:
  "Jaime
  Solorza" 
  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" 
  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:59:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?
  
What
surprised me the most is how many actually
believed an inept moron over an expert trained
on this.. 

  Unbelievable

  
   
  

  On
  Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50 AM Carl Peterson 
  wrote:


  

  Gino
  - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths
  are still going up while it looks like new
  cases are starting to go down.  


  Robbert
  -  No offense but that makes zero sense
  and is counterfactual.  Testing rates are
  continuing to rise.  


   


  Pure
  speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses
  are starting to catch on and are wearing
  their masks now.  


   


   


  
On
Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime
Solorza 
wrote:

Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

[chuck]

Be a bit more interesting if they also applied ranked choice voting to it.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 3:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

A few years ago California instituted a "top 2" primary system, where all 
candidates from all parties were thrown into a single primary. The top-two vote 
getters (regardless of party) would go on to the regular election. The theory 
was that the left/right extremes would move closer to center. That has happened 
somewhat, but I think it would have been better with a "top 3".



bp


On 8/4/2020 1:55 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  A marketing course once taught me that if there were two hot dog stands on a 
crowded beach* they would be right next to each other in the middle.  Whereas 
the public would be best served if they were spaced at the 1/3 and 2/3 points 
to minimize the distance anyone would have to walk to get a hot dog.

   

  In politics, however, the hot dog stands would be at the far ends of the 
beach, with none in the middle.  Maybe a result of the 2 party system and any 
moderate candidate getting “primaried”.

   

  * crowded beach = a historical reference from the before times

   

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 2:43 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

   

  I deeply resemble that comment,

  Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 4, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:

 

It's those center morons you have to watch out for. 

 

bp On 8/4/2020 12:07 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:

  People believe inept morons all of the time, generally a group of left 
morons and a group of right morons.



  -
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  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP






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  To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 10:59:29 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Good news?

  What surprised me the most is how many actually believed an inept moron 
over an expert trained on this.. 

  Unbelievable

   

  On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 9:50 AM Carl Peterson  
wrote:

Gino - Deaths are a lagging indicator.  Deaths are still going up while 
it looks like new cases are starting to go down.  

Robbert -  No offense but that makes zero sense and is counterfactual.  
Testing rates are continuing to rise.  

 

Pure speculation but I'd guess more dumb asses are starting to catch on 
and are wearing their masks now.  

 

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:38 AM Jaime Solorza 
 wrote:

  The virus doesn't care about statistics.

   

  On Tue, Aug 4, 2020, 8:57 AM  wrote:

Not wanting to jinx this but it looks promising.


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Re: [AFMUG] Domain Registration

[Matt]

> dynadot .
>
> Switched from godaddy to namecheap quite a few years ago, and moved on to 
> dynadot last year.   Renewal prices for .com, .net, .org. and .info are all 
> less expensive and I like the UI they have.
>

Dynadot does seem to have a nice simple UI.  Appears that dynadot
offers DNS hosting.  Are you using that and if so how well has it
worked?


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>> What is everyone's favorite register now days?
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Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

[Daniel White]

That is VTX I'd bet.

https://www.vtx1.net/residential/internet/

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ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 8/4/20 12:27:
> I hear hundreds of Cambiums (should have not said Canopy) going up. 
>  
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2020 12:16 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>  
> Nextlink moving in maybe?
>  
> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:57 AM  wrote:
>
> Huge canopy install going on there.  I don’t think the company is
> Frontier but something similar. 
>  
> *From:* Cameron Crum
> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:37 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>  
> Coba Systems is down in McAllen...mostly RV parks but does have
> some wireless in the area.  https://cobainternet.com/
>  
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:51 PM  wrote:
>
> Anyone here serve McAllen?
>  
> *From:* Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 3:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>  
> This is from some guy named Todd that was looped in by Ken who
> I contacted to start with.
>  
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Joe Novak 
> wrote:
>
> Who did you talk to at Aviat? Ken Ruppel is the main
> contact for WISPs. I can share his email off list if you
> want.
>  
> We're mostly utilizing SIAE today. Working in a couple
> Aviat links soon just to have some vendor diversity. Both
> fall well within your budget.
>  
>  
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:29 PM Ken Hohhof
>  wrote:
>
> Aviat should not be $35K for an all-outdoor link, even
> with their dual core radios which you don’t need for
> 100 Mbps capacity.
>
>  
>
> The most discussed options on the list seem to be
> Aviat, SIAE and Cambium/Ceragon, maybe also
> Dragonwave.  Any of them should come in under $20K for
> a link including antennas and license keys.  You’re
> not talking something crazy like 12 ft dishes, are you?
>
>  
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of
> *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 12:16 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>
>  
>
> I don't know which model it was. They sent me a chart 
> and the least expensive link was something on the
> order of $35k. They had 3 different models listed. All
> indoor, split, and all outdoor. AF11 is not in the
> picture. When I say less expensive, I mean something
> on the order of $20k or less for the link and antenna.
> So not super cheap.
>
>  
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof
>  wrote:
>
> 13 km is around 8 miles so you’re looking at 6 or
> 11 GHz, probably 11.  Any licensed radio will do
> 100 Mbps.  I don’t know about 6 nines, that’s a
> lot of nines.  Obviously depends on your rain zone.
>
>  
>
> If Aviat is too expensive for your budget, and
> given that you don’t need really high throughput,
> it sounds like a job for Ubiquiti AF11.  I don’t
> have any of them, but it seems like a match for
> low price without industry leading modulation or
> spectral efficiency.  Only downside is I think
> maybe you need to license both polarizations, so
> might be slightly more difficult to coordinate in
> a congested area.
>
>  
>
> Which Aviat model were you looking at?
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of
> *Lewis Bergman
> *Sent:* Monday, August 3, 2020 11:45 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> 
> *Subject:* [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>
>  
>
> So Guru's,
>
> Is there a favorite backhaul link for licensed
> links about 13KM long that will yield 5 or 6 9

Re: [AFMUG] Domain Registration

[Forrest Christian (List Account)]

Yep, I'm using the free DNS hosting with no complaints.   I think all of my
domains except one are using them.



On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 5:17 PM Matt  wrote:

> > dynadot .
> >
> > Switched from godaddy to namecheap quite a few years ago, and moved on
> to dynadot last year.   Renewal prices for .com, .net, .org. and .info are
> all less expensive and I like the UI they have.
> >
>
> Dynadot does seem to have a nice simple UI.  Appears that dynadot
> offers DNS hosting.  Are you using that and if so how well has it
> worked?
>
>
> > On Wed, Feb 12, 2020 at 7:36 AM Matt 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> What is everyone's favorite register now days?
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Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

[Chuck McCown]

It was a name similar to frontier. Maybe frontiera?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 4, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Daniel White  wrote:
> 
> 
> That is VTX I'd bet.
> 
> https://www.vtx1.net/residential/internet/
> 
> I don't know if they hang out here - but some really good engineers there.  
> They bought RockSolid last year.
> 
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> ch...@wbmfg.com wrote on 8/4/20 12:27:
>> I hear hundreds of Cambiums (should have not said Canopy) going up. 
>>  
>> From: Cameron Crum
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 12:16 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>>  
>> Nextlink moving in maybe?
>>  
>> On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:57 AM  wrote:
>>> Huge canopy install going on there.  I don’t think the company is Frontier 
>>> but something similar. 
>>>  
>>> From: Cameron Crum
>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:37 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>>>  
>>> Coba Systems is down in McAllen...mostly RV parks but does have some 
>>> wireless in the area.  https://cobainternet.com/
>>>  
>>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:51 PM  wrote:
 Anyone here serve McAllen?
  
 From: Lewis Bergman
 Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 3:07 PM
 To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
 Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
  
 This is from some guy named Todd that was looped in by Ken who I contacted 
 to start with.
  
 On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Joe Novak  wrote:
> Who did you talk to at Aviat? Ken Ruppel is the main contact for WISPs. I 
> can share his email off list if you want.
>  
> We're mostly utilizing SIAE today. Working in a couple Aviat links soon 
> just to have some vendor diversity. Both fall well within your budget.
>  
>  
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:29 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> Aviat should not be $35K for an all-outdoor link, even with their dual 
>> core radios which you don’t need for 100 Mbps capacity.
>>  
>> The most discussed options on the list seem to be Aviat, SIAE and 
>> Cambium/Ceragon, maybe also Dragonwave.  Any of them should come in 
>> under $20K for a link including antennas and license keys.  You’re not 
>> talking something crazy like 12 ft dishes, are you?
>>  
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
>> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 12:16 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>>  
>> I don't know which model it was. They sent me a chart  and the least 
>> expensive link was something on the order of $35k. They had 3 different 
>> models listed. All indoor, split, and all outdoor. AF11 is not in the 
>> picture. When I say less expensive, I mean something on the order of 
>> $20k or less for the link and antenna. So not super cheap.
>>  
>> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> 13 km is around 8 miles so you’re looking at 6 or 11 GHz, probably 11.  
>> Any licensed radio will do 100 Mbps.  I don’t know about 6 nines, that’s 
>> a lot of nines.  Obviously depends on your rain zone.
>>  
>> If Aviat is too expensive for your budget, and given that you don’t need 
>> really high throughput, it sounds like a job for Ubiquiti AF11.  I don’t 
>> have any of them, but it seems like a match for low price without 
>> industry leading modulation or spectral efficiency.  Only downside is I 
>> think maybe you need to license both polarizations, so might be slightly 
>> more difficult to coordinate in a congested area.
>>  
>> Which Aviat model were you looking at?
>>  
>>  
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Lewis Bergman
>> Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:45 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: [AFMUG] Backhaul links
>>  
>> So Guru's,
>> Is there a favorite backhaul link for licensed links about 13KM long 
>> that will yield 5 or 6 9's and at least 100Mbs. I have priced Ariat and 
>> I think they are out of my range.
>>  
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[AFMUG] NZ to trial world-first commercial long-range, wireless power transmission

[Jaime Solorza]

https://newatlas.com/energy/long-range-wireless-power-transmission-new-zealand-emrod/
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Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.linkedin.com/company/frontera-consulting-llc

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 8:25 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

 

It was a name similar to frontier. Maybe frontiera?

Sent from my iPhone





On Aug 4, 2020, at 5:25 PM, Daniel White mailto:dwh...@atheral.com> > wrote:

 

That is VTX I'd bet.

https://www.vtx1.net/residential/internet/

I don't know if they hang out here - but some really good engineers there.  
They bought RockSolid last year.

 


  

 


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ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote on 8/4/20 12:27:



I hear hundreds of Cambiums (should have not said Canopy) going up.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 12:16 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

 

Nextlink moving in maybe?

 

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 10:57 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Huge canopy install going on there.  I don’t think the company is Frontier but 
something similar.  

 

From: Cameron Crum 

Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 9:37 AM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

 

Coba Systems is down in McAllen...mostly RV parks but does have some wireless 
in the area.  https://cobainternet.com/

 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 4:51 PM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com> > 
wrote:

Anyone here serve McAllen?

 

From: Lewis Bergman 

Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 3:07 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

 

This is from some guy named Todd that was looped in by Ken who I contacted to 
start with. 

 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:43 PM Joe Novak mailto:jno...@lrcomm.com> > wrote:

Who did you talk to at Aviat? Ken Ruppel is the main contact for WISPs. I can 
share his email off list if you want. 

 

We're mostly utilizing SIAE today. Working in a couple Aviat links soon just to 
have some vendor diversity. Both fall well within your budget.

 

 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 12:29 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Aviat should not be $35K for an all-outdoor link, even with their dual core 
radios which you don’t need for 100 Mbps capacity.

 

The most discussed options on the list seem to be Aviat, SIAE and 
Cambium/Ceragon, maybe also Dragonwave.  Any of them should come in under $20K 
for a link including antennas and license keys.  You’re not talking something 
crazy like 12 ft dishes, are you?

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 12:16 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

 

I don't know which model it was. They sent me a chart  and the least expensive 
link was something on the order of $35k. They had 3 different models listed. 
All indoor, split, and all outdoor. AF11 is not in the picture. When I say less 
expensive, I mean something on the order of $20k or less for the link and 
antenna. So not super cheap.

 

On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 11:55 AM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

13 km is around 8 miles so you’re looking at 6 or 11 GHz, probably 11.  Any 
licensed radio will do 100 Mbps.  I don’t know about 6 nines, that’s a lot of 
nines.  Obviously depends on your rain zone.

 

If Aviat is too expensive for your budget, and given that you don’t need really 
high throughput, it sounds like a job for Ubiquiti AF11.  I don’t have any of 
them, but it seems like a match for low price without industry leading 
modulation or spectral efficiency.  Only downside is I think maybe you need to 
license both polarizations, so might be slightly more difficult to coordinate 
in a congested area.

 

Which Aviat model were you looking at?

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> > On Behalf 
Of Lewis Bergman
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 11:45 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Subject: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

 

So Guru's,

Is there a favorite backhaul link for licensed links about 13KM long that will 
yield 5 or 6 9's and at least 100Mbs. I have priced Ariat and I think they are 
out of my range.


 

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Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

[Dave]

Lewis thats a loaded question even for a 100Mbs @ 5x9s

13Km is wut about 8 miles.

If you could find an old ptp800 would satisfy your need easy with 3 foot 
dishes on 11Ghz


Ive been using ptp820 for a while and its built tough with more options 
for interface.


PTP670 Rocks at 20mhz wide channel even in 4.9 could get away with 2foot 
dishes


I have a ptp 550 link pushing 250 plus Mbs at 4 x 9s at 18mile and until 
something crushes the band LOL.


just depends on your price point really

Starting less than 5k up to 40K


On 8/3/2020 11:44 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:

So Guru's,
Is there a favorite backhaul link for licensed links about 13KM long 
that will yield 5 or 6 9's and at least 100Mbs. I have priced Ariat 
and I think they are out of my range.


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Re: [AFMUG] NZ to trial world-first commercial long-range, wireless power transmission

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Wonder what the 5G conspiracy theorists will have to say about this one..

> On Aug 4, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> https://newatlas.com/energy/long-range-wireless-power-transmission-new-zealand-emrod/
>  
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Backhaul links

[Kurt Fankhauser]

If you don't think you'll ever need more than 100mbps you can probably buy
a used 11ghz link pretty cheap these days.

On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 11:19 PM Dave  wrote:

> Lewis thats a loaded question even for a 100Mbs @ 5x9s
>
> 13Km is wut about 8 miles.
>
> If you could find an old ptp800 would satisfy your need easy with 3 foot
> dishes on 11Ghz
>
> Ive been using ptp820 for a while and its built tough with more options
> for interface.
>
> PTP670 Rocks at 20mhz wide channel even in 4.9 could get away with 2foot
> dishes
>
> I have a ptp 550 link pushing 250 plus Mbs at 4 x 9s at 18mile and until
> something crushes the band LOL.
>
> just depends on your price point really
>
> Starting less than 5k up to 40K
>
>
> On 8/3/2020 11:44 AM, Lewis Bergman wrote:
>
> So Guru's,
> Is there a favorite backhaul link for licensed links about 13KM long that
> will yield 5 or 6 9's and at least 100Mbs. I have priced Ariat and I think
> they are out of my range.
>
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> 325-439-0533 Cell
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