Re: [AFMUG] Watch "Rescue from fall arrest lanyards. Access Techniques Ltd" on YouTube

[chuck]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbCsN6V8DAw

Start watching about 6:00

From: Jaime Solorza 
Sent: Friday, April 10, 2020 9:15 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Watch "Rescue from fall arrest lanyards. Access Techniques 
Ltd" on YouTube

https://youtu.be/VbFfJAo6sr0 



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

[Ken Hohhof]

More on the Unacast social distancing scores and the general topic of how 
different parts of the population respond to calls for collective action.

 

https://www.vox.com/2020/4/10/21216216/coronavirus-social-distancing-texas-unacast-climate-change

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Brian Webster
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 12:27 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

 

Google is not the only player in the geolocation data collection business. Ever 
notice how many apps now required you to turn on locations services to 
function? There are other massive databases built that offer the data for sale. 
It’s not cheap by most that I have looked in to.

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2020 8:44 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

 

Google != Unacast, though.



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From: "Brian Webster" mailto:i...@wirelessmapping.com> >
To: "AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group" mailto:af@af.afmug.com> >
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 5:14:17 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

Most people have not turned off their location services on their smart phones. 
There are plenty of background programs that are already embedded in various 
apps people use. Geotagged Twitter data has user ID’s attached to it, Google 
tracks most movements and of course records and stares all the voices that 
people use when using the microphone for voice to text etc. Facebook checkin’s 
etc.  are also part of the mix of data sources. In the rural areas for these 
shorter periods of time they are looking at I am not sure how much sampling 
they get compared to more densely populated regions.  Here are some articles on 
the topic:

 

https://brianwebsterconsulting.wordpress.com/2018/07/12/where-will-the-5g-networks-be-built-carriers-are-not-the-only-ones-who-know/?fbclid=IwAR1OJd6xUliSCACfWjPwbfKTAWgZ_73Dqv_R6k3_MXz6ZVXbTJuw84FNm_Y

https://www.newsweek.com/google-tracking-peoples-movements-their-communities-during-coronavirus-pandemic-1495915?fbclid=IwAR29LjfHTA68qM63HCWLX0vSycYIDlY9q3B4AnuOrVEJrBwB6tPQ--CW26g

https://twitter.com/TectonixGEO/status/1242628347034767361?fbclid=IwAR30kyOEx1EcIvs4oXZ00Jd3uH5_euFVEgGlfSMLiBbnBBPMoOGMogXko4o

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/04/02/us/coronavirus-social-distancing.html?smid=fb-share
 

 &fbclid=IwAR03RAWL4dJuZg6uXT1TroC_lcQ_xnxAaf5wKNpbKrZYyVeMFPS7R1pTg8c

 

 

Location based data has been available for a while, most of it is supposed to 
be anonymized but you can still glean off a lot of useful information with the 
information. Some of these studies have been put together quite quickly so the 
methodology I see in questions. For instance I see no mention of the makeup of 
the workforce for any given regions. In my area a better than 50% of the 
population could easily be in the essential workforce category being that 
healthcare and the service industry are a majority of the employment. Those 
people are still going to work. Also if you look at the break down of things 
like their letter grades they give to regions the percentages from say a to C 
are very minor and I think that is just to cause more sensationalized results. 
When a 50% reduction in travel is noticed, I would not consider that a D grade 
in a rural area. They are just using numbers from pre and post stay at home 
orders to grade society. 

 

Thank you,

Brian Webster

www.wirelessmapping.com  

 

From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com 
 
Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 3:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

 

Our local underground facilities location agency says locates are way up.  They 
think people are doing lots of home projects.  

 

From: Ken Hohhof 

Sent: Tuesday, April 7, 2020 1:16 PM

To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Unacast

 

Opinion:  not very useful.

 

Rural people drive farther to work or shop, that doesn’t mean they interact 
with more people.

[AFMUG] OT - and now turkey flu

[Ken Hohhof]

https://apnews.com/7e284ee45dae602841d246f933fae6ec

 

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[AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Bill Prince]

Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's interesting to me because 
it's bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is apparently not what 
people are dying from, it's the secondary ARDS-like  (Accute Respiratory 
Distress Syndrome) condition. There is also some debate within the 
medical community whether ventilators are helping or hurting. Maybe what 
they need to do is just supply oxygen.


If this link doesn't work for you, I can email the article.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Ken Hohhof]

Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the obsession with having enough 
ventilators, describing them as "life saving equipment", leaving the impression 
that most can be saved if you can just put them on a ventilator.  Yet stats out 
of NYC are 80% don't survive to come off the ventilator.  And you have to 
wonder if the 20% who do, did the vent actually save them, or they would have 
survived even with less aggressive treatment.

The news coverage leaves you thinking most of the ICU patients will be saved if 
there's enough ventilators.  When in reality doctors and nurses are risking 
their own lives to treat ICU wards full of intubated, sedated patients most of 
whom will die because they don't have an effective treatment.  Not a pretty 
story, probably why nobody wants to talk about it.

There are trials of various treatments going on, it would be great if some of 
them turned out to work.  Not necessarily a cure or a vaccine, but a therapy so 
less people die.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID


Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's interesting to me because it's 
bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is apparently not what people are 
dying from, it's the secondary ARDS-like  (Accute Respiratory Distress 
Syndrome) condition. There is also some debate within the medical community 
whether ventilators are helping or hurting. Maybe what they need to do is just 
supply oxygen.

If this link doesn't work for you, I can email the article.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like-death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[chuck]

My son said they are using the malaria drug in the UK to great success. 
Over 50% of the physicians there are on it as a prophylactic.


-Original Message- 
From: Ken Hohhof

Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:50 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the obsession with having enough 
ventilators, describing them as "life saving equipment", leaving the 
impression that most can be saved if you can just put them on a ventilator. 
Yet stats out of NYC are 80% don't survive to come off the ventilator.  And 
you have to wonder if the 20% who do, did the vent actually save them, or 
they would have survived even with less aggressive treatment.


The news coverage leaves you thinking most of the ICU patients will be saved 
if there's enough ventilators.  When in reality doctors and nurses are 
risking their own lives to treat ICU wards full of intubated, sedated 
patients most of whom will die because they don't have an effective 
treatment.  Not a pretty story, probably why nobody wants to talk about it.


There are trials of various treatments going on, it would be great if some 
of them turned out to work.  Not necessarily a cure or a vaccine, but a 
therapy so less people die.



-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID


Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's interesting to me because 
it's bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is apparently not what people 
are dying from, it's the secondary ARDS-like  (Accute Respiratory Distress 
Syndrome) condition. There is also some debate within the medical community 
whether ventilators are helping or hurting. Maybe what they need to do is 
just supply oxygen.


If this link doesn't work for you, I can email the article.

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[AFMUG] OT youtube hell

[chuck]

Stuck in youtube hell this afternoon.  

It brought up this on the side.  Made me laugh.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk

Why did I immediately think of Steve when I saw the title?
Sorry Steve.

My problem is a lack of the raw materials and not sure where to get them.  
Probably online.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Robert]

I can't believe I am still hearing about "trials" on the pre-existing 
ebola treatment.   Doctors are talking about 2/3's of test patients 
recovering after 2-3 days after administration. Seems like that would be 
a good enough "trial" to start massively treating patients instead of 
20% survival..   What the heck is the real story?   I know someone 
personally who fought the FDC to get a treatment that extended their 
daughters lives for 5 years and it was a nightmare.   The conspiracy 
part of me wants to scream...


On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the obsession with having enough ventilators, 
describing them as "life saving equipment", leaving the impression that most 
can be saved if you can just put them on a ventilator.  Yet stats out of NYC are 80% 
don't survive to come off the ventilator.  And you have to wonder if the 20% who do, did 
the vent actually save them, or they would have survived even with less aggressive 
treatment.

The news coverage leaves you thinking most of the ICU patients will be saved if 
there's enough ventilators.  When in reality doctors and nurses are risking 
their own lives to treat ICU wards full of intubated, sedated patients most of 
whom will die because they don't have an effective treatment.  Not a pretty 
story, probably why nobody wants to talk about it.

There are trials of various treatments going on, it would be great if some of 
them turned out to work.  Not necessarily a cure or a vaccine, but a therapy so 
less people die.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID


Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's interesting to me because it's 
bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is apparently not what people are 
dying from, it's the secondary ARDS-like  (Accute Respiratory Distress 
Syndrome) condition. There is also some debate within the medical community 
whether ventilators are helping or hurting. Maybe what they need to do is just 
supply oxygen.

If this link doesn't work for you, I can email the article.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Ken Hohhof]

Remdesivir?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 3:26 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

I can't believe I am still hearing about "trials" on the pre-existing ebola 
treatment.   Doctors are talking about 2/3's of test patients recovering after 
2-3 days after administration. Seems like that would be a good enough "trial" 
to start massively treating patients instead of 20% survival..   What the heck 
is the real story?   I know someone personally who fought the FDC to get a 
treatment that extended their daughters lives for 5 years and it was a 
nightmare.   The conspiracy part of me wants to scream...

On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the obsession with having enough 
> ventilators, describing them as "life saving equipment", leaving the 
> impression that most can be saved if you can just put them on a ventilator.  
> Yet stats out of NYC are 80% don't survive to come off the ventilator.  And 
> you have to wonder if the 20% who do, did the vent actually save them, or 
> they would have survived even with less aggressive treatment.
>
> The news coverage leaves you thinking most of the ICU patients will be saved 
> if there's enough ventilators.  When in reality doctors and nurses are 
> risking their own lives to treat ICU wards full of intubated, sedated 
> patients most of whom will die because they don't have an effective 
> treatment.  Not a pretty story, probably why nobody wants to talk about it.
>
> There are trials of various treatments going on, it would be great if some of 
> them turned out to work.  Not necessarily a cure or a vaccine, but a therapy 
> so less people die.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: AFMUG 
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
> Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's interesting to me because it's 
> bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is apparently not what people are 
> dying from, it's the secondary ARDS-like  (Accute Respiratory Distress 
> Syndrome) condition. There is also some debate within the medical community 
> whether ventilators are helping or hurting. Maybe what they need to do is 
> just supply oxygen.
>
> If this link doesn't work for you, I can email the article.
>
> https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like
> -death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell

[Bill Prince]

  
  
What do you need lidocaine for?
bp



On 4/11/2020 1:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  Stuck in youtube hell this afternoon.  
   
  It brought up this on the side.  Made me laugh.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk
   
  Why did I immediately think of Steve when I saw the
title?
  Sorry Steve.
   
  My problem is a lack of the raw materials and not sure
where to get them.  Probably online.
  Maybe a seedy store somewhere.
   
  I would like to have a stockpile of lidocaine.  

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Bill Prince]

Chloroquine is the malaria drug. Remsdesiver is a drug known to disrupt 
viral RNA.


bp


On 4/11/2020 1:36 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Remdesivir?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 3:26 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

I can't believe I am still hearing about "trials" on the pre-existing ebola treatment.   
Doctors are talking about 2/3's of test patients recovering after 2-3 days after administration. 
Seems like that would be a good enough "trial" to start massively treating patients 
instead of 20% survival..   What the heck is the real story?   I know someone personally who fought 
the FDC to get a treatment that extended their daughters lives for 5 years and it was a nightmare.  
 The conspiracy part of me wants to scream...

On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the obsession with having enough ventilators, 
describing them as "life saving equipment", leaving the impression that most 
can be saved if you can just put them on a ventilator.  Yet stats out of NYC are 80% 
don't survive to come off the ventilator.  And you have to wonder if the 20% who do, did 
the vent actually save them, or they would have survived even with less aggressive 
treatment.

The news coverage leaves you thinking most of the ICU patients will be saved if 
there's enough ventilators.  When in reality doctors and nurses are risking 
their own lives to treat ICU wards full of intubated, sedated patients most of 
whom will die because they don't have an effective treatment.  Not a pretty 
story, probably why nobody wants to talk about it.

There are trials of various treatments going on, it would be great if some of 
them turned out to work.  Not necessarily a cure or a vaccine, but a therapy so 
less people die.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM
To: AFMUG 
Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID


Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's interesting to me because it's 
bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is apparently not what people are 
dying from, it's the secondary ARDS-like  (Accute Respiratory Distress 
Syndrome) condition. There is also some debate within the medical community 
whether ventilators are helping or hurting. Maybe what they need to do is just 
supply oxygen.

If this link doesn't work for you, I can email the article.

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like
-death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/




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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Lewis Bergman]

I wonder if that is the same malaria drug we were given in the military 25
years ago. They told us we wouldn't be able to donate blood for 10 years
afterward.
we didn't have a choice whether we wanted it or not they just lined up and
shot us full of whatever they thought they needed to keep you healthy.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 4:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> Chloroquine is the malaria drug. Remsdesiver is a drug known to disrupt
> viral RNA.
>
> bp
> 
>
> On 4/11/2020 1:36 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Remdesivir?
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
> > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 3:26 PM
> > To: af@af.afmug.com
> > Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
> >
> > I can't believe I am still hearing about "trials" on the pre-existing
> ebola treatment.   Doctors are talking about 2/3's of test patients
> recovering after 2-3 days after administration. Seems like that would be a
> good enough "trial" to start massively treating patients instead of 20%
> survival..   What the heck is the real story?   I know someone personally
> who fought the FDC to get a treatment that extended their daughters lives
> for 5 years and it was a nightmare.   The conspiracy part of me wants to
> scream...
> >
> > On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> >> Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the obsession with having enough
> ventilators, describing them as "life saving equipment", leaving the
> impression that most can be saved if you can just put them on a
> ventilator.  Yet stats out of NYC are 80% don't survive to come off the
> ventilator.  And you have to wonder if the 20% who do, did the vent
> actually save them, or they would have survived even with less aggressive
> treatment.
> >>
> >> The news coverage leaves you thinking most of the ICU patients will be
> saved if there's enough ventilators.  When in reality doctors and nurses
> are risking their own lives to treat ICU wards full of intubated, sedated
> patients most of whom will die because they don't have an effective
> treatment.  Not a pretty story, probably why nobody wants to talk about it.
> >>
> >> There are trials of various treatments going on, it would be great if
> some of them turned out to work.  Not necessarily a cure or a vaccine, but
> a therapy so less people die.
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> >> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM
> >> To: AFMUG 
> >> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
> >>
> >>
> >> Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's interesting to me
> because it's bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is apparently not
> what people are dying from, it's the secondary ARDS-like  (Accute
> Respiratory Distress Syndrome) condition. There is also some debate within
> the medical community whether ventilators are helping or hurting. Maybe
> what they need to do is just supply oxygen.
> >>
> >> If this link doesn't work for you, I can email the article.
> >>
> >> https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like
> >> -death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/
> >>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell

[Jaime Solorza]

something from 2017...
https://youtu.be/BYPELiqVdFE
Jaime Solorza
Wireless Systems Architect
915-861-1390


On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 2:25 PM  wrote:

> Stuck in youtube hell this afternoon.
>
> It brought up this on the side.  Made me laugh.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk
>
> Why did I immediately think of Steve when I saw the title?
> Sorry Steve.
>
> My problem is a lack of the raw materials and not sure where to get them.
> Probably online.
> Maybe a seedy store somewhere.
>
> I would like to have a stockpile of lidocaine.
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[AFMUG] cnMaestro and Offline Devices

[Nate Burke]

I'm working to get more sites into cnMeastro.  One of my sites with 
about 50SM's had an area power outage, and 80% of the SM's rebooted, the 
APs stayed online.  Even though all the SM's were back within 2 minutes, 
cnMaestro said 12 SM's were offline for over 12 hours.  Is this normal?  
I would have expected cnMaestro to have more accurate reporting, 
especially if they're expecting this to be used as an NMS and not just 
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Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro and Offline Devices

[Ken Hohhof]

I don't think there's typically a delay, but I'm more concerned with CBRS
authorization, so maybe I haven't noticed.  Are these PMP100/450 or ePMP?

Are you going by a log or graph, or just checking the cnMaestro GUI?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 4:46 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro and Offline Devices

I'm working to get more sites into cnMeastro.  One of my sites with about
50SM's had an area power outage, and 80% of the SM's rebooted, the APs
stayed online.  Even though all the SM's were back within 2 minutes,
cnMaestro said 12 SM's were offline for over 12 hours.  Is this normal?  
I would have expected cnMaestro to have more accurate reporting, especially
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Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro and Offline Devices

[Nate Burke]

EPMP on the cnMaestro tower page.  Showed 12 devices offline even though 
I could log into them, and they had no cnmaestro errors in their log 
files.  Power outage happened at 4pm yesterday, cnMaestro finally said 5 
came online at 2am and the rest came back at 3am.


On 4/11/2020 5:05 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

I don't think there's typically a delay, but I'm more concerned with CBRS
authorization, so maybe I haven't noticed.  Are these PMP100/450 or ePMP?

Are you going by a log or graph, or just checking the cnMaestro GUI?

-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Nate Burke
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 4:46 PM
To: Animal Farm 
Subject: [AFMUG] cnMaestro and Offline Devices

I'm working to get more sites into cnMeastro.  One of my sites with about
50SM's had an area power outage, and 80% of the SM's rebooted, the APs
stayed online.  Even though all the SM's were back within 2 minutes,
cnMaestro said 12 SM's were offline for over 12 hours.  Is this normal?
I would have expected cnMaestro to have more accurate reporting, especially
if they're expecting this to be used as an NMS and not just an upgrade tool.



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Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro and Offline Devices

[Matt Hoppes]

We constantly have this issue with cnPilots.  They come and go as they 
please, and a few seem to have just checked out all together, even 
though they are there.


On 4/11/20 5:45 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
I'm working to get more sites into cnMeastro.  One of my sites with 
about 50SM's had an area power outage, and 80% of the SM's rebooted, the 
APs stayed online.  Even though all the SM's were back within 2 minutes, 
cnMaestro said 12 SM's were offline for over 12 hours.  Is this normal? 
I would have expected cnMaestro to have more accurate reporting, 
especially if they're expecting this to be used as an NMS and not just 
an upgrade tool.






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Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell

[Chuck McCown]

Removing bullets.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> 
> What do you need lidocaine for?
> 
> bp
> 
> 
> On 4/11/2020 1:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> Stuck in youtube hell this afternoon. 
>>  
>> It brought up this on the side.  Made me laugh.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk
>>  
>> Why did I immediately think of Steve when I saw the title?
>> Sorry Steve.
>>  
>> My problem is a lack of the raw materials and not sure where to get them.  
>> Probably online.
>> Maybe a seedy store somewhere.
>>  
>> I would like to have a stockpile of lidocaine. 
>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Morning work 2

[Chuck McCown]

How does it work?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
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Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro and Offline Devices

[Nate Burke]

I have that problem with my AF11 radios and my local UNMS.  They show 
offline until they get rebooted.  I figured that cambium would be better.


On 4/11/2020 5:15 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
We constantly have this issue with cnPilots.  They come and go as they 
please, and a few seem to have just checked out all together, even 
though they are there.


On 4/11/20 5:45 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
I'm working to get more sites into cnMeastro.  One of my sites with 
about 50SM's had an area power outage, and 80% of the SM's rebooted, 
the APs stayed online. Even though all the SM's were back within 2 
minutes, cnMaestro said 12 SM's were offline for over 12 hours.  Is 
this normal? I would have expected cnMaestro to have more accurate 
reporting, especially if they're expecting this to be used as an NMS 
and not just an upgrade tool.







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Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell

[Chuck McCown]

Finally panned back far enough to see the bass player.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Jaime Solorza  wrote:
> 
> 
> something from 2017...
> https://youtu.be/BYPELiqVdFE
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 2:25 PM  wrote:
>> Stuck in youtube hell this afternoon. 
>>  
>> It brought up this on the side.  Made me laugh.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk
>>  
>> Why did I immediately think of Steve when I saw the title?
>> Sorry Steve.
>>  
>> My problem is a lack of the raw materials and not sure where to get them.  
>> Probably online.
>> Maybe a seedy store somewhere.
>>  
>> I would like to have a stockpile of lidocaine. 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell

[Jaime Solorza]

Got to be good looking cause he is so hard to see!

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 4:24 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:

> Finally panned back far enough to see the bass player.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:35 PM, Jaime Solorza 
> wrote:
>
> 
> something from 2017...
> https://youtu.be/BYPELiqVdFE
> Jaime Solorza
> Wireless Systems Architect
> 915-861-1390
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 2:25 PM  wrote:
>
>> Stuck in youtube hell this afternoon.
>>
>> It brought up this on the side.  Made me laugh.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk
>>
>> Why did I immediately think of Steve when I saw the title?
>> Sorry Steve.
>>
>> My problem is a lack of the raw materials and not sure where to get
>> them.  Probably online.
>> Maybe a seedy store somewhere.
>>
>> I would like to have a stockpile of lidocaine.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell

[Ken Hohhof]

What concentration do you need?  Up to 5% is available OTC.  For removing 
bullets though you probably want an injectable not a numbing gel.  And I don’t 
think I’d want to be injecting someone with your Breaking Bad freebase 
lidocaine.

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:19 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell

 

Removing bullets.

Sent from my iPhone





On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

 

What do you need lidocaine for?

bp

 

On 4/11/2020 1:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

Stuck in youtube hell this afternoon.  

 

It brought up this on the side.  Made me laugh.

  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk

 

Why did I immediately think of Steve when I saw the title?

Sorry Steve.

 

My problem is a lack of the raw materials and not sure where to get them.  
Probably online.

Maybe a seedy store somewhere.

 

I would like to have a stockpile of lidocaine.  





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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Steve Jones]

The FDA cant take the liability of "approving" anything without full
trials. I dont blame them.

We let everyone sue everyone, we did it to ourselves.

Same reason Fauci uses code words to say the malaria drug works without
saying it works or setting cnn off by agreeing with potus.

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert  wrote:

> I can't believe I am still hearing about "trials" on the pre-existing
> ebola treatment.   Doctors are talking about 2/3's of test patients
> recovering after 2-3 days after administration. Seems like that would be
> a good enough "trial" to start massively treating patients instead of
> 20% survival..   What the heck is the real story?   I know someone
> personally who fought the FDC to get a treatment that extended their
> daughters lives for 5 years and it was a nightmare.   The conspiracy
> part of me wants to scream...
>
> On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the obsession with having enough
> ventilators, describing them as "life saving equipment", leaving the
> impression that most can be saved if you can just put them on a
> ventilator.  Yet stats out of NYC are 80% don't survive to come off the
> ventilator.  And you have to wonder if the 20% who do, did the vent
> actually save them, or they would have survived even with less aggressive
> treatment.
> >
> > The news coverage leaves you thinking most of the ICU patients will be
> saved if there's enough ventilators.  When in reality doctors and nurses
> are risking their own lives to treat ICU wards full of intubated, sedated
> patients most of whom will die because they don't have an effective
> treatment.  Not a pretty story, probably why nobody wants to talk about it.
> >
> > There are trials of various treatments going on, it would be great if
> some of them turned out to work.  Not necessarily a cure or a vaccine, but
> a therapy so less people die.
> >
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM
> > To: AFMUG 
> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
> >
> >
> > Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's interesting to me because
> it's bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is apparently not what people
> are dying from, it's the secondary ARDS-like  (Accute Respiratory Distress
> Syndrome) condition. There is also some debate within the medical community
> whether ventilators are helping or hurting. Maybe what they need to do is
> just supply oxygen.
> >
> > If this link doesn't work for you, I can email the article.
> >
> >
> https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like-death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/
> >
> >
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Re: [AFMUG] Morning work 2

[Steve Utick]

Looks kind of like a pressure transducer that I've used before for well
monitoring.
https://in-situ.com/us/level-troll-700-data-logger?___store=us_en&___from_store=global_en


On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 4:48 PM Jaime Solorza 
wrote:

> This probe transmitter is dropped into tank through one inch threaded
> hole...the cable has a small tube and three leads for  electronics in it.
> (24vdc power and signalling) and hooked up to lightning protection...then
> through conduit to enclosure.  Hooked to terminal block and then to PLC.
> Drawings coming up
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 4:21 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
>
>> How does it work?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:17 PM, Jaime Solorza 
>> wrote:
>> >
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>> > 
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Re: [AFMUG] cnMaestro and Offline Devices

[Steve Jones]

Used to be a pretty normal issue, but haven't seen that in some time, are
you running current firmware and zero touch?

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 5:23 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> I have that problem with my AF11 radios and my local UNMS.  They show
> offline until they get rebooted.  I figured that cambium would be better.
>
> On 4/11/2020 5:15 PM, Matt Hoppes wrote:
> > We constantly have this issue with cnPilots.  They come and go as they
> > please, and a few seem to have just checked out all together, even
> > though they are there.
> >
> > On 4/11/20 5:45 PM, Nate Burke wrote:
> >> I'm working to get more sites into cnMeastro.  One of my sites with
> >> about 50SM's had an area power outage, and 80% of the SM's rebooted,
> >> the APs stayed online. Even though all the SM's were back within 2
> >> minutes, cnMaestro said 12 SM's were offline for over 12 hours.  Is
> >> this normal? I would have expected cnMaestro to have more accurate
> >> reporting, especially if they're expecting this to be used as an NMS
> >> and not just an upgrade tool.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell

[Steve Jones]

The materials are available. Look to homade soap makers.

I like how he pointed out that you really want unused lubes, I'm wondering
if the brown glob was revision 1 footage.

You could make this a good sub q injectable with an insulin needle.

There's a burn gel product that has good amount of lidocaine in it. It's
got a blue and red logo. Its lidocaine in a water suspension, I'm betting
it would break out really good.




On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 5:51 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> What concentration do you need?  Up to 5% is available OTC.  For removing
> bullets though you probably want an injectable not a numbing gel.  And I
> don’t think I’d want to be injecting someone with your Breaking Bad
> freebase lidocaine.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Chuck McCown
> *Sent:* Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:19 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell
>
>
>
> Removing bullets.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> 
>
> What do you need lidocaine for?
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 4/11/2020 1:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> Stuck in youtube hell this afternoon.
>
>
>
> It brought up this on the side.  Made me laugh.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk
>
>
>
> Why did I immediately think of Steve when I saw the title?
>
> Sorry Steve.
>
>
>
> My problem is a lack of the raw materials and not sure where to get them.
> Probably online.
>
> Maybe a seedy store somewhere.
>
>
>
> I would like to have a stockpile of lidocaine.
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Robert]

There is an actual mechanism for the FDA to avoid the liability, it's 
baked into the system now.  It's how the friends got the treatment 
approved for their daughters.


On 4/11/20 4:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
The FDA cant take the liability of "approving" anything without full 
trials. I dont blame them.


We let everyone sue everyone, we did it to ourselves.

Same reason Fauci uses code words to say the malaria drug works 
without saying it works or setting cnn off by agreeing with potus.


On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert > wrote:


I can't believe I am still hearing about "trials" on the pre-existing
ebola treatment.   Doctors are talking about 2/3's of test patients
recovering after 2-3 days after administration. Seems like that
would be
a good enough "trial" to start massively treating patients instead of
20% survival..   What the heck is the real story?   I know someone
personally who fought the FDC to get a treatment that extended their
daughters lives for 5 years and it was a nightmare.   The conspiracy
part of me wants to scream...

On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the obsession with having
enough ventilators, describing them as "life saving equipment",
leaving the impression that most can be saved if you can just put
them on a ventilator.  Yet stats out of NYC are 80% don't survive
to come off the ventilator.  And you have to wonder if the 20% who
do, did the vent actually save them, or they would have survived
even with less aggressive treatment.
>
> The news coverage leaves you thinking most of the ICU patients
will be saved if there's enough ventilators.  When in reality
doctors and nurses are risking their own lives to treat ICU wards
full of intubated, sedated patients most of whom will die because
they don't have an effective treatment. Not a pretty story,
probably why nobody wants to talk about it.
>
> There are trials of various treatments going on, it would be
great if some of them turned out to work.  Not necessarily a cure
or a vaccine, but a therapy so less people die.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Bill Prince
> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM
> To: AFMUG mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
> Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>
>
> Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's interesting to me
because it's bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is
apparently not what people are dying from, it's the secondary
ARDS-like  (Accute Respiratory Distress Syndrome) condition. There
is also some debate within the medical community whether
ventilators are helping or hurting. Maybe what they need to do is
just supply oxygen.
>
> If this link doesn't work for you, I can email the article.
>
>

https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like-death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID

[Steve Jones]

Because the fda doesnt approve without the trials, to avoid the liability.
It's only approved off label use, hence, zero liability

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 10:12 PM Robert  wrote:

> There is an actual mechanism for the FDA to avoid the liability, it's
> baked into the system now.  It's how the friends got the treatment approved
> for their daughters.
>
> On 4/11/20 4:10 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> The FDA cant take the liability of "approving" anything without full
> trials. I dont blame them.
>
> We let everyone sue everyone, we did it to ourselves.
>
> Same reason Fauci uses code words to say the malaria drug works without
> saying it works or setting cnn off by agreeing with potus.
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 3:27 PM Robert  wrote:
>
>> I can't believe I am still hearing about "trials" on the pre-existing
>> ebola treatment.   Doctors are talking about 2/3's of test patients
>> recovering after 2-3 days after administration. Seems like that would be
>> a good enough "trial" to start massively treating patients instead of
>> 20% survival..   What the heck is the real story?   I know someone
>> personally who fought the FDC to get a treatment that extended their
>> daughters lives for 5 years and it was a nightmare.   The conspiracy
>> part of me wants to scream...
>>
>> On 4/11/20 12:50 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> > Yeah, I am starting to get annoyed at the obsession with having enough
>> ventilators, describing them as "life saving equipment", leaving the
>> impression that most can be saved if you can just put them on a
>> ventilator.  Yet stats out of NYC are 80% don't survive to come off the
>> ventilator.  And you have to wonder if the 20% who do, did the vent
>> actually save them, or they would have survived even with less aggressive
>> treatment.
>> >
>> > The news coverage leaves you thinking most of the ICU patients will be
>> saved if there's enough ventilators.  When in reality doctors and nurses
>> are risking their own lives to treat ICU wards full of intubated, sedated
>> patients most of whom will die because they don't have an effective
>> treatment.  Not a pretty story, probably why nobody wants to talk about it.
>> >
>> > There are trials of various treatments going on, it would be great if
>> some of them turned out to work.  Not necessarily a cure or a vaccine, but
>> a therapy so less people die.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
>> > Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 1:57 PM
>> > To: AFMUG 
>> > Subject: [AFMUG] OT: More on COVID
>> >
>> >
>> > Saw this in our local paper this morning. It's interesting to me
>> because it's bringing to light the fact that COVID-19 is apparently not
>> what people are dying from, it's the secondary ARDS-like  (Accute
>> Respiratory Distress Syndrome) condition. There is also some debate within
>> the medical community whether ventilators are helping or hurting. Maybe
>> what they need to do is just supply oxygen.
>> >
>> > If this link doesn't work for you, I can email the article.
>> >
>> >
>> https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/04/11/when-coronavirus-kills-its-like-death-by-drowning-and-doctors-disagree-on-best-treatment/
>> >
>> >
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Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell

[Chuck McCown]

The vacuum filter was interesting.  I don’t like nor do I know much about 
chemistry.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> 
> The materials are available. Look to homade soap makers.
> 
> I like how he pointed out that you really want unused lubes, I'm wondering if 
> the brown glob was revision 1 footage.
> 
> You could make this a good sub q injectable with an insulin needle. 
> 
> There's a burn gel product that has good amount of lidocaine in it. It's got 
> a blue and red logo. Its lidocaine in a water suspension, I'm betting it 
> would break out really good.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020, 5:51 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:
>> What concentration do you need?  Up to 5% is available OTC.  For removing 
>> bullets though you probably want an injectable not a numbing gel.  And I 
>> don’t think I’d want to be injecting someone with your Breaking Bad freebase 
>> lidocaine.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2020 5:19 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT youtube hell
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Removing bullets.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 3:07 PM, Bill Prince  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> What do you need lidocaine for?
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>>  
>> On 4/11/2020 1:24 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>> 
>> Stuck in youtube hell this afternoon. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> It brought up this on the side.  Made me laugh.
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WA-q4pXd0Pk
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Why did I immediately think of Steve when I saw the title?
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>> Sorry Steve.
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>>  
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>> My problem is a lack of the raw materials and not sure where to get them.  
>> Probably online.
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>> Maybe a seedy store somewhere.
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>>  
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>> I would like to have a stockpile of lidocaine. 
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