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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

2020-03-18 Thread Gino A. Villarini

I remember the first one at the Airport Hilton(2007) , then it was moved to the 
Downtown Hilton (2008), 2009 on it was at the Fairgrounds ..

I miss SLC! Street Tacos, Guns and Skiing!

Gino Villarini
Founder/President
@gvillarini
t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
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Guaynabo, PR 00968
From: AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown 
Reply-To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Date: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 2:26 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Sorry, did not realize it was part of WispAmerica.
Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF  wrote:
Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach any 
kind of trust...

This is the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of yours and 
Jaime’s creation).

Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I always 
give you credit during my introduction.

Matt

From: AF  On Behalf Of Josh Luthman
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware link.  We 
should start a club :)

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM mailto:ch...@wbmfg.com>> 
wrote:
It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that
suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.  It
was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.

Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with AnimalFarm
but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group
meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally
there were too many problems.

So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone to
come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus
AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade
show and our main means of marketing each year.

But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its descendants...
At least WispAmerica asked permission...

-Original Message-
From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Cc: Matt Mangriotis
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Someone??? It's me, Chuck!

We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State Fairpark...
you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.

In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and
post it to our forum.

If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing to
virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend):
https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/

Thanks!
Matt

-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
Chuck McCown
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow

Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> mailto:li...@packetflux.com>> wrote:
>
>
> I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at 8
> central which is 7am my time.
>
> Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not
> particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been
> on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
>
> --
> - Forrest
> --
> AF mailing list
> AF@af.afmug.com
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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

2020-03-18 Thread Josh Luthman

Red Iguana...

Josh Luthman
Office: 937-552-2340
Direct: 937-552-2343
1100 Wayne St
Suite 1337
Troy, OH 45373


On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:41 AM Gino A. Villarini  wrote:

> I remember the first one at the Airport Hilton(2007) , then it was moved
> to the Downtown Hilton (2008), 2009 on it was at the Fairgrounds ..
>
>
>
> I miss SLC! Street Tacos, Guns and Skiing!
>
>
>
> *Gino*
> *Villarini *Founder/President
> @gvillarini
> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
> m:
> [image: aeronet-logo]  [image: inc500]
>  [image: fb-logo]
>   [image: insta-logo]
>   [image: in-logo]
>   [image:
> tw-logo]
> 
>   [image: yt-logo]
> 
> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>
> *From: *AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
> ch...@wbmfg.com>
> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Date: *Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 2:26 PM
> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>
>
>
> Sorry, did not realize it was part of WispAmerica.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF 
> wrote:
>
> Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach
> any kind of trust...
>
>
>
> This *is* the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of
> yours and Jaime’s creation).
>
>
>
> Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I
> always give you credit during my introduction.
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>
>
>
> I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware link.
> We should start a club :)
>
>
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM  wrote:
>
> It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and that
> suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.
> It
> was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.
>
> Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with
> AnimalFarm
> but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group
> meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally
> there were too many problems.
>
> So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone
> to
> come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus
> AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade
> show and our main means of marketing each year.
>
> But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its
> descendants...
> At least WispAmerica asked permission...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Cc: Matt Mangriotis
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>
> Someone??? It's me, Chuck!
>
> We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State
> Fairpark...
> you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.
>
> In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and
> post it to our forum.
>
> If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing
> to
> virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend):
> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/
> 
>
> Thanks!
> Matt
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>
> Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> > I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's at
> 8
> > central which is 7am my time.
> >
> > Does anyone know if they record these for later playback?   I'm not
> > particularly thrilled about getting up that early, considering I've been
> > on the "go to bed at 4am" schedule recently.
> >
> > --
> > - Forrest
> > --
> > AF mailing list
>

Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

2020-03-18 Thread can...@believewireless.net

They gave lots of props to Chuck in the beginning of the webinar.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 9:23 AM Josh Luthman 
wrote:

> Red Iguana...
>
> Josh Luthman
> Office: 937-552-2340
> Direct: 937-552-2343
> 1100 Wayne St
> Suite 1337
> Troy, OH 45373
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:41 AM Gino A. Villarini 
> wrote:
>
>> I remember the first one at the Airport Hilton(2007) , then it was moved
>> to the Downtown Hilton (2008), 2009 on it was at the Fairgrounds ..
>>
>>
>>
>> I miss SLC! Street Tacos, Guns and Skiing!
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gino*
>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>> @gvillarini
>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>> m:
>> [image: aeronet-logo]  [image: inc500]
>>  [image: fb-logo]
>>   [image: insta-logo]
>>   [image: in-logo]
>>   [image:
>> tw-logo]
>> 
>>   [image: yt-logo]
>> 
>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>
>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
>> ch...@wbmfg.com>
>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Date: *Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 2:26 PM
>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>>
>>
>> Sorry, did not realize it was part of WispAmerica.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach
>> any kind of trust...
>>
>>
>>
>> This *is* the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of
>> yours and Jaime’s creation).
>>
>>
>>
>> Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I
>> always give you credit during my introduction.
>>
>>
>>
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>>
>>
>> I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware
>> link.  We should start a club :)
>>
>>
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM  wrote:
>>
>> It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and
>> that
>> suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.
>> It
>> was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.
>>
>> Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with
>> AnimalFarm
>> but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group
>> meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally
>> there were too many problems.
>>
>> So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite everyone
>> to
>> come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus
>> AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our trade
>> show and our main means of marketing each year.
>>
>> But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its
>> descendants...
>> At least WispAmerica asked permission...
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>> Cc: Matt Mangriotis
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>> Someone??? It's me, Chuck!
>>
>> We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State
>> Fairpark...
>> you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.
>>
>> In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it and
>> post it to our forum.
>>
>> If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're doing
>> to
>> virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend):
>> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/
>> 
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Chuck McCown
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:49 AM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: [ External ] Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>
>> Really, someone is using my AnimalFarm trademark without permission?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 2:32 AM, Forrest Christian (List Account)
>> >  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > I just registered for the cambium "Animal Farm" webinar, however it's

[AFMUG] OT earthquake

2020-03-18 Thread chuck

5.7  Biggest I have ever felt.  About 15 miles from my home.  I think downtown 
SLC got it stronger than I did.  Lots of aftershocks.  -- 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

2020-03-18 Thread Adam Moffett

The Walmart grocery area here was picked clean, but smaller corner 
grocery store has everything except TP and certain cleaning products.  
Super weird.  It's like people forgot the other grocery store existed.

I also read a post on Quora last night.  It was middle eastern man 
living in Arizona and he said something to the effect of, "It's adorable 
that Americans are more worried about wiping their asses than whether 
they have something to shit out in the first place.  It's clear you've 
never had any serious troubles here."

On 3/17/2020 7:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

The store I went to still had potatoes. I’m always amazed that you can 
buy nice big baking potatoes for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest 
thing in the world to bake, just stick them on the oven rack for an 
hour.  Even better than bananas because you can eat the skin.  And you 
can put some of your bacon on them!

I don’t see how anybody makes money selling potatoes, it has to be a 
loss leader.

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
*Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of 
beef, who am I to say no.

They're 2 weeks out on packages

They're always 2 weeks out on packages

I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for 
survival than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard > wrote:

I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net
 mailto:p...@believewireless.net>> wrote:

Do you really need anything else to live on?

"The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're
good to go."

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen
mailto:se...@rollernet.us>> wrote:

On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to
check one out and
> they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh
produce, dairy.  I
> didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody
is going to
> starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I
couldn’t even go
> inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies
than the virus
> or gosh forbid running out of TP.

I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was
nothing: no eggs,
no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no
condiments, no
paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning
products, no baking
staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty
of fresh
produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I
bought ice cream,
chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal
supply, but all
self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e.
donuts). Bulk
bins section was mostly untouched.

A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders
made the line
wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather
than wait
forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later
(bread flour
and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher
shop was
cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon.
All the
liquor aisles were fully stocked though.

The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor
you're good to go.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

2020-03-18 Thread Mike Hammett

Near here, people were flipping out that a local place charged $12 for TP when 
Walmart only charged $6. Um, that's kind of how things work when you compare 
scale vs. no scale. 

- 
Mike Hammett 
Intelligent Computing Solutions 

Midwest Internet Exchange 

The Brothers WISP 

- Original Message -

From: "Adam Moffett"  
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:00:25 AM 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers 

The Walmart grocery area here was picked clean, but smaller corner grocery 
store has everything except TP and certain cleaning products. Super weird. It's 
like people forgot the other grocery store existed. 
I also read a post on Quora last night. It was middle eastern man living in 
Arizona and he said something to the effect of, "It's adorable that Americans 
are more worried about wiping their asses than whether they have something to 
shit out in the first place. It's clear you've never had any serious troubles 
here." 

On 3/17/2020 7:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 

The store I went to still had potatoes. I’m always amazed that you can buy nice 
big baking potatoes for 49 to 99 cents per pound. Easiest thing in the world to 
bake, just stick them on the oven rack for an hour. Even better than bananas 
because you can eat the skin. And you can put some of your bacon on them! 

I don’t see how anybody makes money selling potatoes, it has to be a loss 
leader. 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Steve Jones 
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM 
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers 

I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of beef, who am 
I to say no. 

They're 2 weeks out on packages 

They're always 2 weeks out on packages 

I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for survival 
than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard < mhoward...@gmail.com > wrote: 

I'm not sure why you would even want anything else... 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net < 
p...@believewireless.net > wrote: 

Do you really need anything else to live on? 

" The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go." 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen < se...@rollernet.us > wrote: 

On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote: 
> Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out and 
> they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy. I 
> didn’t even venture to the TP aisle But so far nobody is going to 
> starve. When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go 
> inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the virus 
> or gosh forbid running out of TP. 

I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs, 
no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, no 
paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no baking 
staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh 
produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream, 
chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all 
self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk 
bins section was mostly untouched. 

A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line 
wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait 
forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour 
and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was 
cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the 
liquor aisles were fully stocked though. 

The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go. 

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Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow

2020-03-18 Thread Cameron Crum

I vote for another in SLC! This is not to harm Wispa, rather I just like
having a reason to get a tax write off trip to SLC during ski season. I
know of at least one other large company in the industry who is considering
pulling out of the shows and doing their own thing on home turf, and they
have been for some time. They claim they can pay for a venue and cover the
cost of hotel for all their customers cheaper than they can do the two
shows at Wispa every year.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 8:30 AM can...@believewireless.net <
p...@believewireless.net> wrote:

> They gave lots of props to Chuck in the beginning of the webinar.
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 9:23 AM Josh Luthman 
> wrote:
>
>> Red Iguana...
>>
>> Josh Luthman
>> Office: 937-552-2340
>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>> 1100 Wayne St
>> Suite 1337
>> Troy, OH 45373
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 5:41 AM Gino A. Villarini 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I remember the first one at the Airport Hilton(2007) , then it was moved
>>> to the Downtown Hilton (2008), 2009 on it was at the Fairgrounds ..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I miss SLC! Street Tacos, Guns and Skiing!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Gino*
>>> *Villarini *Founder/President
>>> @gvillarini
>>> t: 787.273.4143 Ext. 204
>>> m:
>>> [image: aeronet-logo]  [image: inc500]
>>>  [image: fb-logo]
>>>   [image: insta-logo]
>>>   [image: in-logo]
>>>   [image:
>>> tw-logo]
>>> 
>>>   [image: yt-logo]
>>> 
>>> www.aeronetpr.com | Metro Office Park #18 Suite 304 Guaynabo, PR 00968
>>>
>>> *From: *AF  on behalf of Chuck McCown <
>>> ch...@wbmfg.com>
>>> *Reply-To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Date: *Tuesday, March 17, 2020 at 2:26 PM
>>> *To: *AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, did not realize it was part of WispAmerica.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 17, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Matt Mangriotis via AF 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Chuck – In all seriousness, we don’t mean to offend, knock off or breach
>>> any kind of trust...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This *is* the WISPAmerica Animal Farm session (a direct descendant of
>>> yours and Jaime’s creation).
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Everyone is welcome. If you’ve not attended the last couple of years, I
>>> always give you credit during my introduction.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Matt
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of * Josh Luthman
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 11:53 AM
>>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I got a big angry lawyer letter for sharing a Moto/Cambium firmware
>>> link.  We should start a club :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Josh Luthman
>>> Office: 937-552-2340
>>> Direct: 937-552-2343
>>> 1100 Wayne St
>>> Suite 1337
>>> Troy, OH 45373
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 10:51 AM  wrote:
>>>
>>> It was first held at the Airport Hilton, it was called AnimalFarm and
>>> that
>>> suggestion came from Jaime.  It was later held at several other venues.
>>> It
>>> was only the latter days where it was held at the fairpark.
>>>
>>> Motorola expressly and specifically disavowed any connection with
>>> AnimalFarm
>>> but they did send people.  I tried to get Mot to sponsor a users group
>>> meeting during the Tucson channel partner meetings and Mot said legally
>>> there were too many problems.
>>>
>>> So, I took it upon myself to rent the conference room and invite
>>> everyone to
>>> come.  We were the pigs taking over the farm from the farmer.  Thus
>>> AnimalFarm.  And thus trademarked by WB Manufacturing as it was our
>>> trade
>>> show and our main means of marketing each year.
>>>
>>> But not the first time I have been knocked off by Mot and its
>>> descendants...
>>> At least WispAmerica asked permission...
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Matt Mangriotis via AF
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 8:10 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>>> Cc: Matt Mangriotis
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] [ External ] Re: Cambium Webinar tomorrow
>>>
>>> Someone??? It's me, Chuck!
>>>
>>> We've called it Animal Farm since it was held at the Utah State
>>> Fairpark...
>>> you used to join us and speak about the history, etc. I miss that.
>>>
>>> In any case, we've virtualized it this year. As such, we'll record it
>>> and
>>> post it to our forum.
>>>
>>> If you'd like to attend, please visit our website to see what we're
>>> doing to
>>> virualize the WISPAmerica experience (and sign up to attend):
>>> https://www.cambiumnetworks.com/wispamerica2020/
>>>

Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

2020-03-18 Thread Ken Hohhof

Hard to compare price on TP.  There’s 3 sizes of rolls, 1,2 or 3 ply, extra 
soft and extra strong.

And BTW, the landlord at our office bldg. told me he had people stealing all 
the TP from some of their bldgs.  And commercial TP is not the premium stuff.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

Near here, people were flipping out that a local place charged $12 for TP when 
Walmart only charged $6. Um, that's kind of how things work when you compare 
scale vs. no scale.

-
Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

  _  

From: "Adam Moffett" mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> >
To: af@af.afmug.com  
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:00:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

The Walmart grocery area here was picked clean, but smaller corner grocery 
store has everything except TP and certain cleaning products.  Super weird.  
It's like people forgot the other grocery store existed.

I also read a post on Quora last night.  It was middle eastern man living in 
Arizona and he said something to the effect of, "It's adorable that Americans 
are more worried about wiping their asses than whether they have something to 
shit out in the first place.  It's clear you've never had any serious troubles 
here."

On 3/17/2020 7:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

The store I went to still had potatoes.  I’m always amazed that you can buy 
nice big baking potatoes for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest thing in the 
world to bake, just stick them on the oven rack for an hour.  Even better than 
bananas because you can eat the skin.  And you can put some of your bacon on 
them!

I don’t see how anybody makes money selling potatoes, it has to be a loss 
leader.

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of beef, who am 
I to say no.

They're 2 weeks out on packages

They're always 2 weeks out on packages

I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for survival 
than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net 
  mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote:

Do you really need anything else to live on?

"The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go." 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out and 
> they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I 
> didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to 
> starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go 
> inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the virus 
> or gosh forbid running out of TP.

I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs, 
no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, no 
paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no baking 
staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh 
produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream, 
chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all 
self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk 
bins section was mostly untouched.

A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line 
wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait 
forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour 
and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was 
cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the 
liquor aisles were fully stocked though.

The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go.

-- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com  
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.co

Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

2020-03-18 Thread chuck

Having 8 kids, one foster kid and one future son in law all in the house at the 
same time, TP was an issue.
We started using the scott tissue that has much more footage per roll years 
ago.  It is not made for comfort.  But you sure do get good mileage.
Now that the kids have moved on, we still use it.  The cushy stuff just does 
not last long enough.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 8:45 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

Hard to compare price on TP.  There’s 3 sizes of rolls, 1,2 or 3 ply, extra 
soft and extra strong.

And BTW, the landlord at our office bldg. told me he had people stealing all 
the TP from some of their bldgs.  And commercial TP is not the premium stuff.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

Near here, people were flipping out that a local place charged $12 for TP when 
Walmart only charged $6. Um, that's kind of how things work when you compare 
scale vs. no scale.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:00:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

The Walmart grocery area here was picked clean, but smaller corner grocery 
store has everything except TP and certain cleaning products.  Super weird.  
It's like people forgot the other grocery store existed.

I also read a post on Quora last night.  It was middle eastern man living in 
Arizona and he said something to the effect of, "It's adorable that Americans 
are more worried about wiping their asses than whether they have something to 
shit out in the first place.  It's clear you've never had any serious troubles 
here."

On 3/17/2020 7:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  The store I went to still had potatoes.  I’m always amazed that you can buy 
nice big baking potatoes for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest thing in the 
world to bake, just stick them on the oven rack for an hour.  Even better than 
bananas because you can eat the skin.  And you can put some of your bacon on 
them!

  I don’t see how anybody makes money selling potatoes, it has to be a loss 
leader.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

  I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of beef, who 
am I to say no.

  They're 2 weeks out on packages

  They're always 2 weeks out on packages

  I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for 
survival than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper

  On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:

  Do you really need anything else to live on?

  "The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to 
go." 

  On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out 
and 
> they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy. 
 I 
> didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to 
> starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even 
go 
> inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the 
virus 
> or gosh forbid running out of TP.

I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no 
eggs, 
no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, 
no 
paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no 
baking 
staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh 
produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream, 
chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all 
self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk 
bins section was mostly untouched.

A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line 
wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait 
forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour 
and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was 
cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the 
liquor aisles were fully stocked though.

The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to 
go.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

2020-03-18 Thread chuck

Oh, and 18 years later, the son in law (who lives in England) still complains 
about his time in America dealing with our TP.  

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 8:57 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

Having 8 kids, one foster kid and one future son in law all in the house at the 
same time, TP was an issue.
We started using the scott tissue that has much more footage per roll years 
ago.  It is not made for comfort.  But you sure do get good mileage.
Now that the kids have moved on, we still use it.  The cushy stuff just does 
not last long enough.  

From: Ken Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 8:45 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

Hard to compare price on TP.  There’s 3 sizes of rolls, 1,2 or 3 ply, extra 
soft and extra strong.

And BTW, the landlord at our office bldg. told me he had people stealing all 
the TP from some of their bldgs.  And commercial TP is not the premium stuff.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

Near here, people were flipping out that a local place charged $12 for TP when 
Walmart only charged $6. Um, that's kind of how things work when you compare 
scale vs. no scale.

-
Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions

Midwest Internet Exchange

The Brothers WISP

From: "Adam Moffett" 
To: af@af.afmug.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:00:25 AM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

The Walmart grocery area here was picked clean, but smaller corner grocery 
store has everything except TP and certain cleaning products.  Super weird.  
It's like people forgot the other grocery store existed.

I also read a post on Quora last night.  It was middle eastern man living in 
Arizona and he said something to the effect of, "It's adorable that Americans 
are more worried about wiping their asses than whether they have something to 
shit out in the first place.  It's clear you've never had any serious troubles 
here."

On 3/17/2020 7:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  The store I went to still had potatoes.  I’m always amazed that you can buy 
nice big baking potatoes for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest thing in the 
world to bake, just stick them on the oven rack for an hour.  Even better than 
bananas because you can eat the skin.  And you can put some of your bacon on 
them!

  I don’t see how anybody makes money selling potatoes, it has to be a loss 
leader.

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
  Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

  I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of beef, who 
am I to say no.

  They're 2 weeks out on packages

  They're always 2 weeks out on packages

  I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for 
survival than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper

  On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:

  Do you really need anything else to live on?

  "The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to 
go." 

  On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:

On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out 
and 
> they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy. 
 I 
> didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to 
> starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even 
go 
> inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the 
virus 
> or gosh forbid running out of TP.

I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no 
eggs, 
no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, 
no 
paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no 
baking 
staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh 
produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream, 
chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all 
self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk 
bins section was mostly untouched.

A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line 
wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait 
forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour 
and powdere

Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

2020-03-18 Thread can...@believewireless.net

I use a lot more sheets of the "non-cushy" stuff so I think it breaks down
to about 1.5 roles of non-cushy to cushy.
My butt is worth it.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 10:58 AM  wrote:

> Oh, and 18 years later, the son in law (who lives in England) still
> complains about his time in America dealing with our TP.
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2020 8:57 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>
> Having 8 kids, one foster kid and one future son in law all in the house
> at the same time, TP was an issue.
> We started using the scott tissue that has much more footage per roll
> years ago.  It is not made for comfort.  But you sure do get good mileage.
> Now that the kids have moved on, we still use it.  The cushy stuff just
> does not last long enough.
>
> *From:* Ken Hohhof
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2020 8:45 AM
> *To:* 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>
>
> Hard to compare price on TP.  There’s 3 sizes of rolls, 1,2 or 3 ply,
> extra soft and extra strong.
>
>
>
> And BTW, the landlord at our office bldg. told me he had people stealing
> all the TP from some of their bldgs.  And commercial TP is not the premium
> stuff.
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Mike Hammett
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:03 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>
>
>
> Near here, people were flipping out that a local place charged $12 for TP
> when Walmart only charged $6. Um, that's kind of how things work when you
> compare scale vs. no scale.
>
>
>
> -
> Mike Hammett
> Intelligent Computing Solutions 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Midwest Internet Exchange 
> 
> 
> 
> The Brothers WISP 
> 
>
>
> 
> --
>
> *From: *"Adam Moffett" 
> *To: *af@af.afmug.com
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:00:25 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>
> The Walmart grocery area here was picked clean, but smaller corner grocery
> store has everything except TP and certain cleaning products.  Super
> weird.  It's like people forgot the other grocery store existed.
>
> I also read a post on Quora last night.  It was middle eastern man living
> in Arizona and he said something to the effect of, "It's adorable that
> Americans are more worried about wiping their asses than whether they have
> something to shit out in the first place.  It's clear you've never had any
> serious troubles here."
>
>
>
>
>
> On 3/17/2020 7:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> The store I went to still had potatoes.  I’m always amazed that you can
> buy nice big baking potatoes for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest thing
> in the world to bake, just stick them on the oven rack for an hour.  Even
> better than bananas because you can eat the skin.  And you can put some of
> your bacon on them!
>
>
>
> I don’t see how anybody makes money selling potatoes, it has to be a loss
> leader.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com *On Behalf Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>
>
>
> I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of beef,
> who am I to say no.
>
> They're 2 weeks out on packages
>
> They're always 2 weeks out on packages
>
> I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for
> survival than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
> Do you really need anything else to live on?
>
>
>
> "The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to
> go."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out and
> > they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I
> > didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to
> > starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go
> > inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the virus
> > or gosh forbid running out of TP.
>
>
> I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs,
> no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods

Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

2020-03-18 Thread chuck

I have always been called a hard ass.

From: can...@believewireless.net 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:05 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

I use a lot more sheets of the "non-cushy" stuff so I think it breaks down to 
about 1.5 roles of non-cushy to cushy. 
My butt is worth it.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 10:58 AM  wrote:

  Oh, and 18 years later, the son in law (who lives in England) still complains 
about his time in America dealing with our TP.  

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 8:57 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

  Having 8 kids, one foster kid and one future son in law all in the house at 
the same time, TP was an issue.
  We started using the scott tissue that has much more footage per roll years 
ago.  It is not made for comfort.  But you sure do get good mileage.
  Now that the kids have moved on, we still use it.  The cushy stuff just does 
not last long enough.  

  From: Ken Hohhof 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 8:45 AM
  To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group' 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

  Hard to compare price on TP.  There’s 3 sizes of rolls, 1,2 or 3 ply, extra 
soft and extra strong.

  And BTW, the landlord at our office bldg. told me he had people stealing all 
the TP from some of their bldgs.  And commercial TP is not the premium stuff.

  From: AF  On Behalf Of Mike Hammett
  Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:03 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

  Near here, people were flipping out that a local place charged $12 for TP 
when Walmart only charged $6. Um, that's kind of how things work when you 
compare scale vs. no scale.

  -
  Mike Hammett
  Intelligent Computing Solutions

  Midwest Internet Exchange

  The Brothers WISP

--

  From: "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:00:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

  The Walmart grocery area here was picked clean, but smaller corner grocery 
store has everything except TP and certain cleaning products.  Super weird.  
It's like people forgot the other grocery store existed.

  I also read a post on Quora last night.  It was middle eastern man living in 
Arizona and he said something to the effect of, "It's adorable that Americans 
are more worried about wiping their asses than whether they have something to 
shit out in the first place.  It's clear you've never had any serious troubles 
here."

  On 3/17/2020 7:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

The store I went to still had potatoes.  I’m always amazed that you can buy 
nice big baking potatoes for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest thing in the 
world to bake, just stick them on the oven rack for an hour.  Even better than 
bananas because you can eat the skin.  And you can put some of your bacon on 
them!

I don’t see how anybody makes money selling potatoes, it has to be a loss 
leader.

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of beef, 
who am I to say no.

They're 2 weeks out on packages

They're always 2 weeks out on packages

I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for 
survival than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:

  I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...

  On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net 
 wrote:

Do you really need anything else to live on?

"The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to 
go." 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen  
wrote:

  On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
  > Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one 
out and 
  > they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, 
dairy.  I 
  > didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to 
  > starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even 
go 
  > inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the 
virus 
  > or gosh forbid running out of TP.

  I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no 
eggs, 
  no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, 
no 
  paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no 
baking 
  staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh 
  produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice 
cream, 
  chips, and reeses.

Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

2020-03-18 Thread chuck

SLC airport is closed.  Sucks for all the inbound flights.
I hear there is damage to the tower.  SLC county requests no non essential 
driving.

I hear a plague of locusts has been spotted.  

From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 7:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: OT earthquake

5.7  Biggest I have ever felt.  About 15 miles from my home.  I think downtown 
SLC got it stronger than I did.  Lots of aftershocks.  -- 
AF mailing list
AF@af.afmug.com
http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com

Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

2020-03-18 Thread Lewis Bergman

Ahhh, I now recall what it was like in the old days when we just worried
about mother earth trying to kill us with her natural disasters.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 10:25 AM  wrote:

> SLC airport is closed.  Sucks for all the inbound flights.
> I hear there is damage to the tower.  SLC county requests no non essential
> driving.
>
> I hear a plague of locusts has been spotted.
>
> *From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2020 7:37 AM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* OT earthquake
>
> 5.7  Biggest I have ever felt.  About 15 miles from my home.  I think
> downtown SLC got it stronger than I did.  Lots of aftershocks.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

2020-03-18 Thread Jason McKemie

I think this says something about the average intelligence of their
customer base...

On Wednesday, March 18, 2020, Adam Moffett  wrote:

> The Walmart grocery area here was picked clean, but smaller corner grocery
> store has everything except TP and certain cleaning products.  Super
> weird.  It's like people forgot the other grocery store existed.
>
> I also read a post on Quora last night.  It was middle eastern man living
> in Arizona and he said something to the effect of, "It's adorable that
> Americans are more worried about wiping their asses than whether they have
> something to shit out in the first place.  It's clear you've never had any
> serious troubles here."
>
>
>
> On 3/17/2020 7:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> The store I went to still had potatoes.  I’m always amazed that you can
> buy nice big baking potatoes for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest thing
> in the world to bake, just stick them on the oven rack for an hour.  Even
> better than bananas because you can eat the skin.  And you can put some of
> your bacon on them!
>
>
>
> I don’t see how anybody makes money selling potatoes, it has to be a loss
> leader.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Steve Jones
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>
>
>
> I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of beef,
> who am I to say no.
>
> They're 2 weeks out on packages
>
> They're always 2 weeks out on packages
>
> I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for
> survival than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>
> I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net <
> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>
> Do you really need anything else to live on?
>
>
>
> "The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to
> go."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>
> On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> > Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out and
> > they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I
> > didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to
> > starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go
> > inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the virus
> > or gosh forbid running out of TP.
>
>
> I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs,
> no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, no
> paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no baking
> staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh
> produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream,
> chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all
> self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk
> bins section was mostly untouched.
>
> A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line
> wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait
> forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour
> and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was
> cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the
> liquor aisles were fully stocked though.
>
> The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

2020-03-18 Thread Robert

5.7 shouldn't be enough to damage a facility like that. Somebody cheated 
on the specs...  Yes the airport isn't on the firmest of ground, could 
even possibly have r/w damage from liquifaction or slumping, but still 
the facilities should have been built to at least a 6.5-7 spec...


On 3/18/20 8:24 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

SLC airport is closed.  Sucks for all the inbound flights.
I hear there is damage to the tower.  SLC county requests no non 
essential driving.

I hear a plague of locusts has been spotted.
*From:* ch...@wbmfg.com
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 18, 2020 7:37 AM
*To:* af@af.afmug.com
*Subject:* OT earthquake
5.7  Biggest I have ever felt.  About 15 miles from my home.  I think 
downtown SLC got it stronger than I did.  Lots of aftershocks.




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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

2020-03-18 Thread Ken Hohhof

There are only 2 places to buy things – Walmart and Amazon.  I run into this 
with routers all the time, the only place people can think of to buy 
electronics is Walmart.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Jason McKemie
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 10:50 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

I think this says something about the average intelligence of their customer 
base...

On Wednesday, March 18, 2020, Adam Moffett mailto:dmmoff...@gmail.com> > wrote:

The Walmart grocery area here was picked clean, but smaller corner grocery 
store has everything except TP and certain cleaning products.  Super weird.  
It's like people forgot the other grocery store existed.

I also read a post on Quora last night.  It was middle eastern man living in 
Arizona and he said something to the effect of, "It's adorable that Americans 
are more worried about wiping their asses than whether they have something to 
shit out in the first place.  It's clear you've never had any serious troubles 
here."

On 3/17/2020 7:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

The store I went to still had potatoes.  I’m always amazed that you can buy 
nice big baking potatoes for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest thing in the 
world to bake, just stick them on the oven rack for an hour.  Even better than 
bananas because you can eat the skin.  And you can put some of your bacon on 
them!

I don’t see how anybody makes money selling potatoes, it has to be a loss 
leader.

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of beef, who am 
I to say no.

They're 2 weeks out on packages

They're always 2 weeks out on packages

I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for survival 
than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard mailto:mhoward...@gmail.com> > wrote:

I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net 
  mailto:p...@believewireless.net> > wrote:

Do you really need anything else to live on?

"The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go." 

On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen mailto:se...@rollernet.us> > wrote:

On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out and 
> they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I 
> didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to 
> starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go 
> inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the virus 
> or gosh forbid running out of TP.

I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs, 
no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, no 
paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no baking 
staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh 
produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream, 
chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all 
self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk 
bins section was mostly untouched.

A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line 
wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait 
forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour 
and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was 
cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the 
liquor aisles were fully stocked though.

The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

2020-03-18 Thread Sterling Jacobson

I think it is, and I've heard that it was a water line break or something like 
that.

From: AF  On Behalf Of Robert
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 10:01 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

5.7 shouldn't be enough to damage a facility like that.   Somebody cheated on 
the specs...  Yes the airport isn't on the firmest of ground, could even 
possibly have r/w damage from liquifaction or slumping, but still the 
facilities should have been built to at least a 6.5-7 spec...
On 3/18/20 8:24 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
SLC airport is closed.  Sucks for all the inbound flights.
I hear there is damage to the tower.  SLC county requests no non essential 
driving.

I hear a plague of locusts has been spotted.

From: ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 7:37 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: OT earthquake

5.7  Biggest I have ever felt.  About 15 miles from my home.  I think downtown 
SLC got it stronger than I did.  Lots of aftershocks.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

2020-03-18 Thread Bill Prince

They ARE called Walmartions.

bp

On 3/18/2020 8:49 AM, Jason McKemie
  wrote:

  I think this says something about the average intelligence of
  their customer base...

  On Wednesday, March 18, 2020, Adam Moffett 
  wrote:

  The Walmart grocery area here was picked clean, but smaller
corner grocery store has everything except TP and certain
cleaning products.  Super weird.  It's like people forgot
the other grocery store existed.
  I also read a post on Quora last night.  It was middle
eastern man living in Arizona and he said something to the
effect of, "It's adorable that Americans are more worried
about wiping their asses than whether they have something to
shit out in the first place.  It's clear you've never had
any serious troubles here."

  On 3/17/2020 7:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  The store I went to still had
potatoes.  I’m always amazed that you can buy nice big
baking potatoes for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest
thing in the world to bake, just stick them on the oven
rack for an hour.  Even better than bananas because you
can eat the skin.  And you can put some of your bacon on
them!

  I don’t see how anybody makes money
selling potatoes, it has to be a loss leader.

  From: AF 
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

I went by the meat shop today,
  father in law is offering a side of beef, who am I to
  say no.

  They're 2 weeks out on packages

  They're always 2 weeks out on
packages

  I guess the hoarders think retail
packaging and prices are better for survival than
white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4
cheaper

  On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM
Mathew Howard 
wrote:

I'm not sure why you would even
  want anything else...

  On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49
PM can...@believewireless.net

wrote:

  Do you really
  need anything else to live on?

  "The takeaway here is
if you need bacon and hard liquor you're
good to go." 

  On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at
5:44 PM Seth Mattinen 
wrote:

  On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken
Hohhof wrote:
> Grocery stores seem free of hoarders
now, I stopped to check one out and 
> they were pretty well stocked with
bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.  I 
> didn’t even venture to the TP aisle 
But so far nobody is going to 
> starve.  When the crazy hoarders were
running amok, I couldn’t even go 
> inside a grocery store, I was more
afraid of the crazies than the virus 
> or gosh forbid running out of TP.

Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

2020-03-18 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
Something troubling about the notion of mileage for TP...
just sayin'


bp



On 3/18/2020 7:57 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  
  
  
  

  Having 8 kids, one foster kid and one future son in law
all in the house at the same time, TP was an issue.
  We started using the scott tissue that has much more
footage per roll years ago.  It is not made for comfort. 
But you sure do get good mileage.
  Now that the kids have moved on, we still use it.  The
cushy stuff just does not last long enough.  
  

   
  
From: Ken
Hohhof 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 8:45 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group' 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
  

 
  
  

  Hard to compare price on TP.  There’s
3 sizes of rolls, 1,2 or 3 ply, extra soft and extra
strong.
   
  And BTW, the landlord at our office
bldg. told me he had people stealing all the TP from
some of their bldgs.  And commercial TP is not the
premium stuff.
   
  

  From: AF
 On Behalf Of Mike
Hammett
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

  
   
  
Near
here, people were flipping out that a local place
charged $12 for TP when Walmart only charged $6. Um,
that's kind of how things work when you compare
scale vs. no scale.

  
  
  -
  Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing
  Solutions

Midwest
  Internet Exchange

The
  Brothers WISP

  
  




  

  From:
  "Adam Moffett" 
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 9:00:25 AM
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
  The
  Walmart grocery area here was picked clean, but
  smaller corner grocery store has everything except
  TP and certain cleaning products.  Super weird. 
  It's like people forgot the other grocery store
  existed.
  I
  also read a post on Quora last night.  It was
  middle eastern man living in Arizona and he said
  something to the effect of, "It's adorable that
  Americans are more worried about wiping their
  asses than whether they have something to shit out
  in the first place.  It's clear you've never had
  any serious troubles here."
   
   
  
On 3/17/2020 7:42 PM, Ken Hohhof
wrote:
  
  
The
store I went to still had potatoes.  I’m always
amazed that you can buy nice big baking potatoes
for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest thing in
the world to bake, just stick them on the oven
rack for an hour.  Even better than bananas
because you can eat the skin.  And you can put
some of your bacon on them!
 
I
don’t see how anybody makes money selling
potatoes, it has to be a loss leader.
 
 
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com
On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
 

  I

[AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth

2020-03-18 Thread Adam Moffett

From where I'm sitting it looks like peak time usage has only gone up 
maybe 10% if at all, but the ramp up towards peak starts at noon instead 
of at 6pm.  I'm comparing late February to mid March.


A lot of people were concerned about bandwidth, but I'm honestly not 
seeing a difference in a way that actually matters.  I'm sure 
consumption in terms of GB will be higher, but I don't think we actually 
have to care.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

2020-03-18 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
A 5.7 is minor league. You should try out a 7. The 1989 Loma
  Prieta was a 6.9 or 7.2 depending on which scale you use. Either
  way, it created a pretty major disruption around here.


bp



On 3/18/2020 6:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  5.7  Biggest I have ever felt.  About 15 miles from my
home.  I think downtown SLC got it stronger than I did. 
Lots of aftershocks.  

  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth

2020-03-18 Thread Ken Hohhof

Kind of the same here, peaks not that much higher, but heavy usage all day.  
Companies are still sending more people to work from home, and I'm starting to 
get calls from people trying to save big files to the shared drive at the 
office (over a VPN which adds overhead) and saying something must be wrong 
because it's taking 5 minutes to save a file.

I don't think upstream bandwidth is an issue for the kids watching Disney+ or 
even the ones actually doing schoolwork.  But a lot of people working from home 
seem to have a workflow that involves download a huge file, edit it, upload the 
changed file, and given that the Internet is pretty much built to deliver 
Netflix, they are running out of upload bandwidth.

I'm not sure that is something we can dramatically change.  I mean, we've got 
upstream bandwidth sitting unused on our licensed backhauls and our upstream 
provider connections, but not on the last mile connections.  And it's not just 
WISPs.  The Internet is built for downloading.

I would probably work on another task while the previous one was uploading, but 
that apparently doesn't work for most people.  I could also wish for IT 
departments to use more of an edit-it-in-the-cloud approach like Google Sheets, 
but a lot of these people literally got told to pack up their work computers in 
their cars and take them home.  And everything was set up for an office LAN 
environment.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 11:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth

 From where I'm sitting it looks like peak time usage has only gone up maybe 
10% if at all, but the ramp up towards peak starts at noon instead of at 6pm.  
I'm comparing late February to mid March.

A lot of people were concerned about bandwidth, but I'm honestly not seeing a 
difference in a way that actually matters.  I'm sure consumption in terms of GB 
will be higher, but I don't think we actually have to care.


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Re: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth

2020-03-18 Thread can...@believewireless.net

We are pretty much a commercial-only WISP and our bandwidth has been cut in
half.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:21 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Kind of the same here, peaks not that much higher, but heavy usage all
> day.  Companies are still sending more people to work from home, and I'm
> starting to get calls from people trying to save big files to the shared
> drive at the office (over a VPN which adds overhead) and saying something
> must be wrong because it's taking 5 minutes to save a file.
>
> I don't think upstream bandwidth is an issue for the kids watching Disney+
> or even the ones actually doing schoolwork.  But a lot of people working
> from home seem to have a workflow that involves download a huge file, edit
> it, upload the changed file, and given that the Internet is pretty much
> built to deliver Netflix, they are running out of upload bandwidth.
>
> I'm not sure that is something we can dramatically change.  I mean, we've
> got upstream bandwidth sitting unused on our licensed backhauls and our
> upstream provider connections, but not on the last mile connections.  And
> it's not just WISPs.  The Internet is built for downloading.
>
> I would probably work on another task while the previous one was
> uploading, but that apparently doesn't work for most people.  I could also
> wish for IT departments to use more of an edit-it-in-the-cloud approach
> like Google Sheets, but a lot of these people literally got told to pack up
> their work computers in their cars and take them home.  And everything was
> set up for an office LAN environment.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 11:58 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth
>
>  From where I'm sitting it looks like peak time usage has only gone up
> maybe 10% if at all, but the ramp up towards peak starts at noon instead of
> at 6pm.  I'm comparing late February to mid March.
>
> A lot of people were concerned about bandwidth, but I'm honestly not
> seeing a difference in a way that actually matters.  I'm sure consumption
> in terms of GB will be higher, but I don't think we actually have to care.
>
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Re: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth

2020-03-18 Thread Adam Moffett


Oh interesting.

On 3/18/2020 1:40 PM, can...@believewireless.net wrote:
We are pretty much a commercial-only WISP and our bandwidth has been 
cut in half.


On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 1:21 PM Ken Hohhof > wrote:


Kind of the same here, peaks not that much higher, but heavy usage
all day.  Companies are still sending more people to work from
home, and I'm starting to get calls from people trying to save big
files to the shared drive at the office (over a VPN which adds
overhead) and saying something must be wrong because it's taking 5
minutes to save a file.

I don't think upstream bandwidth is an issue for the kids watching
Disney+ or even the ones actually doing schoolwork. But a lot of
people working from home seem to have a workflow that involves
download a huge file, edit it, upload the changed file, and given
that the Internet is pretty much built to deliver Netflix, they
are running out of upload bandwidth.

I'm not sure that is something we can dramatically change.  I
mean, we've got upstream bandwidth sitting unused on our licensed
backhauls and our upstream provider connections, but not on the
last mile connections.  And it's not just WISPs. The Internet is
built for downloading.

I would probably work on another task while the previous one was
uploading, but that apparently doesn't work for most people.  I
could also wish for IT departments to use more of an
edit-it-in-the-cloud approach like Google Sheets, but a lot of
these people literally got told to pack up their work computers in
their cars and take them home.  And everything was set up for an
office LAN environment.


-Original Message-
From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of Adam Moffett
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 11:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com>>
Subject: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth

 From where I'm sitting it looks like peak time usage has only
gone up maybe 10% if at all, but the ramp up towards peak starts
at noon instead of at 6pm.  I'm comparing late February to mid March.

A lot of people were concerned about bandwidth, but I'm honestly
not seeing a difference in a way that actually matters.  I'm sure
consumption in terms of GB will be higher, but I don't think we
actually have to care.


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Re: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth

2020-03-18 Thread Mathew Howard

Yeah, it makes sense that would mainly be an increase in daytime usage, and
that's mostly what we're seeing as well.

I do expect the upload thing to be a problem though...

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:21 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> Kind of the same here, peaks not that much higher, but heavy usage all
> day.  Companies are still sending more people to work from home, and I'm
> starting to get calls from people trying to save big files to the shared
> drive at the office (over a VPN which adds overhead) and saying something
> must be wrong because it's taking 5 minutes to save a file.
>
> I don't think upstream bandwidth is an issue for the kids watching Disney+
> or even the ones actually doing schoolwork.  But a lot of people working
> from home seem to have a workflow that involves download a huge file, edit
> it, upload the changed file, and given that the Internet is pretty much
> built to deliver Netflix, they are running out of upload bandwidth.
>
> I'm not sure that is something we can dramatically change.  I mean, we've
> got upstream bandwidth sitting unused on our licensed backhauls and our
> upstream provider connections, but not on the last mile connections.  And
> it's not just WISPs.  The Internet is built for downloading.
>
> I would probably work on another task while the previous one was
> uploading, but that apparently doesn't work for most people.  I could also
> wish for IT departments to use more of an edit-it-in-the-cloud approach
> like Google Sheets, but a lot of these people literally got told to pack up
> their work computers in their cars and take them home.  And everything was
> set up for an office LAN environment.
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 11:58 AM
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> Subject: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth
>
>  From where I'm sitting it looks like peak time usage has only gone up
> maybe 10% if at all, but the ramp up towards peak starts at noon instead of
> at 6pm.  I'm comparing late February to mid March.
>
> A lot of people were concerned about bandwidth, but I'm honestly not
> seeing a difference in a way that actually matters.  I'm sure consumption
> in terms of GB will be higher, but I don't think we actually have to care.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

2020-03-18 Thread Steve Jones

I saw a couple posts on facebook but didnt even look, figured it was just
another hoax

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 12:00 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

> A 5.7 is minor league. You should try out a 7. The 1989 Loma Prieta was a
> 6.9 or 7.2 depending on which scale you use. Either way, it created a
> pretty major disruption around here.
>
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/18/2020 6:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> 5.7  Biggest I have ever felt.  About 15 miles from my home.  I think
> downtown SLC got it stronger than I did.  Lots of aftershocks.
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Re: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth

2020-03-18 Thread Ken Hohhof

Businesses with no people at the office but “the server” and “the shared drive” 
are still there may find they are not set up for their entire workforce to work 
from home.  The office could become the bottleneck.

 

I often get frustrated with everything going “to the cloud”, but this might be 
a situation where that is a good thing.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 12:43 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] Covid19 bandwidth

 

Yeah, it makes sense that would mainly be an increase in daytime usage, and 
that's mostly what we're seeing as well. 

 

I do expect the upload thing to be a problem though...

 

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:21 PM Ken Hohhof mailto:af...@kwisp.com> > wrote:

Kind of the same here, peaks not that much higher, but heavy usage all day.  
Companies are still sending more people to work from home, and I'm starting to 
get calls from people trying to save big files to the shared drive at the 
office (over a VPN which adds overhead) and saying something must be wrong 
because it's taking 5 minutes to save a file.

I don't think upstream bandwidth is an issue for the kids watching Disney+ or 
even the ones actually doing schoolwork.  But a lot of people working from home 
seem to have a workflow that involves download a huge file, edit it, upload the 
changed file, and given that the Internet is pretty much built to deliver 
Netflix, they are running out of upload bandwidth.

I'm not sure that is something we can dramatically change.  I mean, we've got 
upstream bandwidth sitting unused on our licensed backhauls and our upstream 
provider connections, but not on the last mile connections.  And it's not just 
WISPs.  The Internet is built for downloading.

I would probably work on another task while the previous one was uploading, but 
that apparently doesn't work for most people.  I could also wish for IT 
departments to use more of an edit-it-in-the-cloud approach like Google Sheets, 
but a lot of these people literally got told to pack up their work computers in 
their cars and take them home.  And everything was set up for an office LAN 
environment.


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 From where I'm sitting it looks like peak time usage has only gone up maybe 
10% if at all, but the ramp up towards peak starts at noon instead of at 6pm.  
I'm comparing late February to mid March.

A lot of people were concerned about bandwidth, but I'm honestly not seeing a 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers

2020-03-18 Thread Steve Jones

I cant figure out the marketing on toilet paper. Am I getting 12 rolls that
are 6 but 8 ply equal to 56 for 2 ply on a mega roll.
I have too many people at my house, I just buy whatever bulk pack is
cheapest. Sometimes it's like heaven, sometimes you have you wash your
finger a little better.

Except charmin, I'll never buy that stuff again.


On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 11:57 AM Bill Prince  wrote:

> They ARE called Walmartions.
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 3/18/2020 8:49 AM, Jason McKemie wrote:
>
> I think this says something about the average intelligence of their
> customer base...
>
> On Wednesday, March 18, 2020, Adam Moffett  wrote:
>
>> The Walmart grocery area here was picked clean, but smaller corner
>> grocery store has everything except TP and certain cleaning products.
>> Super weird.  It's like people forgot the other grocery store existed.
>>
>> I also read a post on Quora last night.  It was middle eastern man living
>> in Arizona and he said something to the effect of, "It's adorable that
>> Americans are more worried about wiping their asses than whether they have
>> something to shit out in the first place.  It's clear you've never had any
>> serious troubles here."
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/17/2020 7:42 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>
>> The store I went to still had potatoes.  I’m always amazed that you can
>> buy nice big baking potatoes for 49 to 99 cents per pound.  Easiest thing
>> in the world to bake, just stick them on the oven rack for an hour.  Even
>> better than bananas because you can eat the skin.  And you can put some of
>> your bacon on them!
>>
>>
>>
>> I don’t see how anybody makes money selling potatoes, it has to be a loss
>> leader.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* AF   *On
>> Behalf Of *Steve Jones
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 17, 2020 6:07 PM
>> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> 
>> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT Preppers
>>
>>
>>
>> I went by the meat shop today, father in law is offering a side of beef,
>> who am I to say no.
>>
>> They're 2 weeks out on packages
>>
>> They're always 2 weeks out on packages
>>
>> I guess the hoarders think retail packaging and prices are better for
>> survival than white paper wrapped fresh killed cow that is a 1/4 cheaper
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020, 5:02 PM Mathew Howard  wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure why you would even want anything else...
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 4:49 PM can...@believewireless.net <
>> p...@believewireless.net> wrote:
>>
>> Do you really need anything else to live on?
>>
>>
>>
>> "The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to
>> go."
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Seth Mattinen  wrote:
>>
>> On 3/17/20 2:29 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>> > Grocery stores seem free of hoarders now, I stopped to check one out
>> and
>> > they were pretty well stocked with bread, meat, fresh produce, dairy.
>> I
>> > didn’t even venture to the TP aisle  But so far nobody is going to
>> > starve.  When the crazy hoarders were running amok, I couldn’t even go
>> > inside a grocery store, I was more afraid of the crazies than the virus
>> > or gosh forbid running out of TP.
>>
>>
>> I went to a Raley's last night for kicks and there was nothing: no eggs,
>> no dairy, no canned goods, no frozen foods, no breads, no condiments, no
>> paper goods (towels, napkins, TP, etc.), no cleaning products, no baking
>> staples like flour, not even jello. They did have plenty of fresh
>> produce but not potatoes. No lines to check out so I bought ice cream,
>> chips, and reeses. Bakery and deli counters had normal supply, but all
>> self serve things were pulled with notices to ask (i.e. donuts). Bulk
>> bins section was mostly untouched.
>>
>> A store near me this morning was similar but the hoarders made the line
>> wrap around the inside of the store so I walked out rather than wait
>> forever to buy literally two items I can wait to get later (bread flour
>> and powdered milk for my bread machine). A local butcher shop was
>> cleaned out within 10 minutes of opening except for bacon. All the
>> liquor aisles were fully stocked though.
>>
>> The takeaway here is if you need bacon and hard liquor you're good to go.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

2020-03-18 Thread Cassidy B. Larson

I was on north east cost of Bali in summer 2018 when the big two 7.0 or 
whatever it was hit Lombok a few miles to the east. Slept right through them.. 
hah
Bunch of damage around the area I was staying though. 

Apparently there was an aftershock while we were diving the next morning.. dive 
masters came up and asked if I felt it.. “nope”. 

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> A 5.7 is minor league. You should try out a 7. The 1989 Loma Prieta was a 6.9 
> or 7.2 depending on which scale you use. Either way, it created a pretty 
> major disruption around here.
> 
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-18 Thread Mark Radabaugh

Excellent and Congratulations!

Mark

> On Mar 18, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> This things been replicating inside my wife. It went airborne this morning. 
> It will live on surfaces for approximately 80 to 100 years. It's a filthy, 
> disgusting beautiful thing.
> ClarenceAndrew20 is what it's been identified as.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-18 Thread David Coudron

Congrats Steve,

It will give you a good excuse to practice some social distancing….. 😊

Regards,

David Coudron


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Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

This things been replicating inside my wife. It went airborne this morning. It 
will live on surfaces for approximately 80 to 100 years. It's a filthy, 
disgusting beautiful thing.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-18 Thread can...@believewireless.net

What can you do to keep it from spreading?

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 2:06 PM Steve Jones 
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> morning. It will live on surfaces for approximately 80 to 100 years. It's a
> filthy, disgusting beautiful thing.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

2020-03-18 Thread chuck

I don’t think it damaged the tower.  But some fire suppression pipes separated 
and were flooding things.  They evacuated the tower as a precaution.  

From: Robert 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 10:00 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

5.7 shouldn't be enough to damage a facility like that.   Somebody cheated on 
the specs...  Yes the airport isn't on the firmest of ground, could even 
possibly have r/w damage from liquifaction or slumping, but still the 
facilities should have been built to at least a 6.5-7 spec...

On 3/18/20 8:24 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  SLC airport is closed.  Sucks for all the inbound flights.
  I hear there is damage to the tower.  SLC county requests no non essential 
driving.

  I hear a plague of locusts has been spotted.  

  From: ch...@wbmfg.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 7:37 AM
  To: af@af.afmug.com 
  Subject: OT earthquake

  5.7  Biggest I have ever felt.  About 15 miles from my home.  I think 
downtown SLC got it stronger than I did.  Lots of aftershocks.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-18 Thread chuck

Congrats!

From: Steve Jones 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 12:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

This things been replicating inside my wife. It went airborne this morning. It 
will live on surfaces for approximately 80 to 100 years. It's a filthy, 
disgusting beautiful thing. 
ClarenceAndrew20 is what it's been identified as.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

2020-03-18 Thread chuck

Minor league for you, but we are bush league in Utah when it comes to 
earthquakes.  I cannot imagine a 6.7 being 10X what was happening this morning. 

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 11:00 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

A 5.7 is minor league. You should try out a 7. The 1989 Loma Prieta was a 6.9 
or 7.2 depending on which scale you use. Either way, it created a pretty major 
disruption around here.

bp

On 3/18/2020 6:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:

  5.7  Biggest I have ever felt.  About 15 miles from my home.  I think 
downtown SLC got it stronger than I did.  Lots of aftershocks.  

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-18 Thread Adam Moffett

Gross.  And congratulations.  I've caught a couple of them over the 
years too.  Mortality rate is low, but the symptoms can be distressing.



On 3/18/2020 2:05 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
This things been replicating inside my wife. It went airborne this 
morning. It will live on surfaces for approximately 80 to 100 years. 
It's a filthy, disgusting beautiful thing.

ClarenceAndrew20 is what it's been identified as.

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Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

2020-03-18 Thread Bill Prince


  
  
Actually, if you take the mean or average of the Loma Prieta, it
  could be called a 7.0 (rounding down). Then the difference between
  your 5.7 and the 7.0 would be around 20X.
Believe me, it really shook things up. We had a pool at that
  time, and almost half of the water was lost (almost straight in
  the air). Our next door neighbor happened to be in her driveway at
  the time, looking toward the fence of our back yard. She said that
  she saw the plume of water shoot 25-30 feet in the air above our
  backyard fence.
Flip-flops and lawn furniture were all washed to far ends of the
  back yard.

bp



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  wrote:


  
  

  Minor league for you, but we are bush league in Utah when
it comes to earthquakes.  I cannot imagine a 6.7 being 10X
what was happening this morning.  
  

   
  
From: Bill
Prince 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 11:00 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake
  

 
  
  
A 5.7 is minor league. You should try out a 7. The 1989
  Loma Prieta was a 6.9 or 7.2 depending on which scale you
  use. Either way, it created a pretty major disruption
  around here.
 
bp



On 3/18/2020 6:37 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com
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  5.7  Biggest I have ever felt.  About 15 miles
from my home.  I think downtown SLC got it stronger
than I did.  Lots of aftershocks.  

  
  
  




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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-18 Thread can...@believewireless.net

This literally is a death sentence. Everyone I've ever known has died
within 60-80 years of contracting one of these.

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 2:38 PM Adam Moffett  wrote:

> Gross.  And congratulations.  I've caught a couple of them over the years
> too.  Mortality rate is low, but the symptoms can be distressing.
>
>
> On 3/18/2020 2:05 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> This things been replicating inside my wife. It went airborne this
> morning. It will live on surfaces for approximately 80 to 100 years. It's a
> filthy, disgusting beautiful thing.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT diagnostic test

2020-03-18 Thread James Howard

I've been scared of reading that book ever since I watched Conspiracy Theory 
the first time.

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Subject: [AFMUG] OT diagnostic test

I categorize people into two groups.  Those the identify with Holden Caulfield.
Those that feel sorry for Holden and identify with those that wanted to help 
him.
The former are the ones we need to be wary of.
The latter are the rest of us

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[AFMUG] ePMP Force 300-25 Ethernet port cover

2020-03-18 Thread Colin Stanners

We have a few ePMP Force 300-25 radios that are missing the Ethernet port
cover. Does anyone have any that they somehow don't need? Cambium does not
seem to sell them separately.  (We will be speaking with one of the
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 300-25 Ethernet port cover

2020-03-18 Thread Steve Jones

on 200 i pulled them loose of the plastic and taped it to the mount
we have had 2 300s fail, i dont know where the caps made their way too. I
trade them for 2 rolls of TP if i can find them

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> We have a few ePMP Force 300-25 radios that are missing the Ethernet port
> cover. Does anyone have any that they somehow don't need? Cambium does not
> seem to sell them separately.  (We will be speaking with one of the
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 300-25 Ethernet port cover

2020-03-18 Thread Nate Burke


How did they fail?  Storm damage?  or something else.

On 3/18/2020 3:14 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

on 200 i pulled them loose of the plastic and taped it to the mount
we have had 2 300s fail, i dont know where the caps made their way 
too. I trade them for 2 rolls of TP if i can find them


On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 2:51 PM Colin Stanners > wrote:


We have a few ePMP Force 300-25 radios that are missing the
Ethernet port cover. Does anyone have any that they somehow don't
need? Cambium does not seem to sell them separately.  (We will be
speaking with one of the installers about being careful not losing
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[AFMUG] Cambium Networks Animal Farm Session

2020-03-18 Thread Matt Mangriotis via AF

In case you missed it this morning, we've posted the recording of the webinar, 
the slides we presented, and the Q&A in our forums.

Feel free to visit, watch, download and ask additional questions...

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/WISP/Cambium-Networks-Animal-Farm-Session/m-p/115985#M275

And for those that were able to attend our virtual Animal Farm... thank you!!

Matt Mangriotis
Director of Product Management
Cambium Networks
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Rolling Meadows, IL 60008

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Re: [AFMUG] Cambium Networks Animal Farm Session

2020-03-18 Thread Adam Moffett


Thank you

On 3/18/2020 4:29 PM, Matt Mangriotis via AF wrote:


In case you missed it this morning, we’ve posted the recording of the 
webinar, the slides we presented, and the Q&A in our forums.


Feel free to visit, watch, download and ask additional questions…

https://community.cambiumnetworks.com/t5/WISP/Cambium-Networks-Animal-Farm-Session/m-p/115985#M275

And for those that /were/ able to attend *our virtual Animal Farm*… 
thank you!!


*Matt Mangriotis*

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Cambium Networks**
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Re: [AFMUG] ePMP Force 300-25 Ethernet port cover

2020-03-18 Thread Steve Jones

one was maybe never failed, had a ton of issues, we swapped it. ultimately
went down the path of firmware issues with backward compatibility.
The second one lost power level, but i think it was a customer damage issue

we havent had an actual failed one

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 3:18 PM Nate Burke  wrote:

> How did they fail?  Storm damage?  or something else.
>
> On 3/18/2020 3:14 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
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> on 200 i pulled them loose of the plastic and taped it to the mount
> we have had 2 300s fail, i dont know where the caps made their way too. I
> trade them for 2 rolls of TP if i can find them
>
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 2:51 PM Colin Stanners 
> wrote:
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>> We have a few ePMP Force 300-25 radios that are missing the Ethernet port
>> cover. Does anyone have any that they somehow don't need? Cambium does not
>> seem to sell them separately.  (We will be speaking with one of the
>> installers about being careful not losing them...)
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-18 Thread Jay Weekley


Congratulations.

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This things been replicating inside my wife. It went airborne this 
morning. It will live on surfaces for approximately 80 to 100 years. 
It's a filthy, disgusting beautiful thing.

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-18 Thread James Howard

Congrats!   A few more and you'll catch up to me.   We're currently at 9 of 
those things.

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Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

This things been replicating inside my wife. It went airborne this morning. It 
will live on surfaces for approximately 80 to 100 years. It's a filthy, 
disgusting beautiful thing.
ClarenceAndrew20 is what it's been identified as.

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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-18 Thread Ken Hohhof

Does someone need to explain to you what causes that?

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Congrats!   A few more and you'll catch up to me.   We're currently at 9 of
those things...

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Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

This things been replicating inside my wife. It went airborne this morning.
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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-18 Thread Jay Weekley


The polar opposite of "social distancing".

Ken Hohhof wrote:


Does someone need to explain to you what causes that?

*From:*AF  *On Behalf Of *James Howard
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Congrats! A few more and you’ll catch up to me.   We’re currently at 9 
of those things…..


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*Subject:* [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

This things been replicating inside my wife. It went airborne this 
morning. It will live on surfaces for approximately 80 to 100 years. 
It's a filthy, disgusting beautiful thing.


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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-18 Thread Jaime Solorza

Congratulations and blessings

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Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

2020-03-18 Thread Jaime Solorza

You guys okay?

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 7:37 AM  wrote:

> 5.7  Biggest I have ever felt.  About 15 miles from my home.  I think
> downtown SLC got it stronger than I did.  Lots of aftershocks.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

2020-03-18 Thread chuck

Yes, very little damage.  I have not yet heard of injuries but there were some 
brick structures in SLC that fell onto the sidewalk.  Anyone standing there 
would not have fared so well.

From: Jaime Solorza 
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

You guys okay?

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 7:37 AM  wrote:

  5.7  Biggest I have ever felt.  About 15 miles from my home.  I think 
downtown SLC got it stronger than I did.  Lots of aftershocks.  
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Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

2020-03-18 Thread Robert

I lived in Santa Cruz for that one.   The loss of life was more than a 
disruption...  But watching solid rock move with a wave motion was 
pretty darn cool, second was watching telephone poles wave back and 
forth like windshield wipers...



On 3/18/20 10:00 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


A 5.7 is minor league. You should try out a 7. The 1989 Loma Prieta 
was a 6.9 or 7.2 depending on which scale you use. Either way, it 
created a pretty major disruption around here.



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5.7  Biggest I have ever felt.  About 15 miles from my home.  I think 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT earthquake

2020-03-18 Thread Robert

We played golf in 5+ aftershocks.   Came up with a 5 second rule that if 
the ball was within 1 foot of the hole after a put you got to wait 5 
seconds for an aftershock to knock it in...


On 3/18/20 11:35 AM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
Minor league for you, but we are bush league in Utah when it comes to 
earthquakes.  I cannot imagine a 6.7 being 10X what was happening this 
morning.

*From:* Bill Prince
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A 5.7 is minor league. You should try out a 7. The 1989 Loma Prieta 
was a 6.9 or 7.2 depending on which scale you use. Either way, it 
created a pretty major disruption around here.


bp


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5.7  Biggest I have ever felt.  About 15 miles from my home.  I think 
downtown SLC got it stronger than I did.  Lots of aftershocks.




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Re: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

2020-03-18 Thread James Howard

I'd love to hear your explanation Ken.

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Does someone need to explain to you what causes that?

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com>> On Behalf Of 
James Howard
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Congrats!   A few more and you'll catch up to me.   We're currently at 9 of 
those things.

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Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 1:05 PM
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Subject: [AFMUG] Ot: a virus, just not corona

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