[AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[Ken Hohhof]

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade
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Re: [AFMUG] forrest- cambium style sync

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Ooops, typo apparently... meant to read + or - not + or +.


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> > This can be powered by either +48VDC or +48VDC.
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Re: [AFMUG] forrest- cambium style sync

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That is correct.

On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 9:49 PM Steve Jones 
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> Im putting out my last canopy sync, on what should be my last 2000 ap. But
> i need spares and as much as its dumb, as we cycle the 2000s to 3000s,
> thpse will likely be redeployed. We have to put in our order. So to be
> clear, i can NOT use the cambium sync on a 2000, which uses canopy sync. Is
> this correct?
>
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2020, 7:20 PM Chuck McCown  wrote:
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>> Did you mean thus: “ can be powered by either +48VDC or +48VDC.”
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Feb 21, 2020, at 5:09 PM, Forrest Christian (List Account) <
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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[Bill Prince]

  
  
Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough,
  you would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The
  ironic thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than
  his rocket.


bp



On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286
 
  
  
  

  


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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[chuck]

There was a great movie about him on one of the streaming service.  Perhaps 
Netflix.  I think he adoped the flat earth mantra just to be provocative.  The 
guy had guts for certain.  Was a little loose about written procedures and 
checklists.  Loose about everything actually.  Essentially riding an electric 
hot water heater into the sky.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 8:46 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you would see 
for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic thing is that a 
commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.



bp


On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286

   


   



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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[Jay Weekley]

Yeah.  When I heard he was building a rocket to go 5,000 feet in the air 
to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a plane ticket 
would be cheaper.".


Bill Prince wrote:


Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you 
would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic 
thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.



bp


On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286







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Re: [AFMUG] OT - rocket daredevil Mike Hughes dies

[Bill Prince]

Hence the nickname "Mad Mike".

bp


On 2/23/2020 8:03 AM, Jay Weekley wrote:
Yeah. When I heard he was building a rocket to go 5,000 feet in the 
air to prove the world was flat all I could think was "dude, a plane 
ticket would be cheaper.".


Bill Prince wrote:


Wasn't he the flat-earther who thought if you got high enough, you 
would see for yourself how flat the earth actually was? The ironic 
thing is that a commercial airliner could climb higher than his rocket.



bp


On 2/23/2020 4:16 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/daredevil-mad-mike-hughes-dies-homemade-rocket-launch-filmed-tv-n1141286 











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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Ken Hohhof]

Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for a pandemic, and that 
containment didn’t fail, containment was hopeless from the start.  More 
communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu.  Still remains to be 
seen how it plays out in countries with better (and worse) healthcare systems 
than China, but it’s gonna spread worldwide.  Masks, thermometers and 
quarantine don’t seem to be magic bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, and stay off 
cruise ships.

 

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

 

 It seems that America's enemies know that the best way to have 
America's economy crumble is to let the Trump rallies go on fully unimpeded. 


 

A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but that's still a few thousand 
currently dead, including many medical staff, who are being mourned by their 
friends and families. It's likely that the number of people killed by 
coronavirus will surpass that of the 9/11 attacks shortly.

 

Most frightening is that with its virulence, if uncontrolled it could infect or 
have infected millions or much more, then suddenly that 2% dead becomes 
unimaginable.

 

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

You dont think releasing something as hyped up as kungflu at a major public 
gathering, especially a trump rally wouldnt be a major terror success? CNN and 
MSNBC would be advertising for the terrorists 24/7. By the time they were done 
with it, it could have killed zero people, and everyone would still be hid out 
in their house listening to their propaganda. Our economy would crumble

 

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:14 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Not for me. So far it has mostly been meh.

 

bp

 

On 2/22/2020 6:48 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

As a terror weapon it would be perfect

 

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 8:11 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Kill rate is far too low to be considered a bio-weapon. Kill rate needs to be 
over 30%.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Dennis Burgess via AF]

Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz channels 
it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You would have to put 
down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small business and rural 
credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we will lower it 25%.. Now 
we are at $132k and 66k to start.

Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month over 
the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a month, 
but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for it all over 
10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a month for the next 
10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, as I would have to renew 
my lease. 

It really comes down to "what can you get it for" and what is it good for.  40 
MHz of licensed interference free spectrum in a count y is not horrible, and at 
1600 a month, I would think I could make that work.  I pay more than that for 
bandwidth so.  

Of course when a single block is running for 200k that’s a whole different 
proposition, that I would not think a WISP could make its investment back on.  
There are quite a few assumptions as well, do you have the cash to put down to 
try to win?  If not, then it’s a non-issue for you.  Or can you get a loan for 
that and see if you can capitalize  on getting your licensed channels.Not 
stating that is good or not, but you have to look at it like that...  



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Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets who 
would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a bank, 
assuming their bank knows what spectrum is at all. 

So their option would be to hope no one bids?

> On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> On 2/21/20 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding credits we 
>> are eligible for
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Bill Prince]

  
  
[TINHATOFF]
It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's beginning
  to look like the trench/squat toilets common in China (and not
  most other places) is the major disease vector.
Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO deaths.
Contrast this to the latest US-only
flu data, with 29 million infections and 16,000 deaths. I
  think we are paying attention to the wrong things  (so what's new
  about that?).

[/TINHATOFF]

bp



On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
Experts are starting to say it’s time to
  prepare for a pandemic, and that containment didn’t fail,
  containment was hopeless from the start.  More communicable
  than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu.  Still remains to be
  seen how it plays out in countries with better (and worse)
  healthcare systems than China, but it’s gonna spread
  worldwide.  Masks, thermometers and quarantine don’t seem to
  be magic bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, and stay off cruise
  ships.
 
https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy
 
 
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Colin
  Stanners
  Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
  
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
 

   It seems that America's
enemies know that the best way to have America's economy
crumble is to let the Trump rallies go on fully unimpeded.

  
 
  
  
A kill rate of 2% seems small as
  statistic, but that's still a few thousand currently dead,
  including many medical staff, who are being mourned by
  their friends and families. It's likely that the number of
  people killed by coronavirus will surpass that of the 9/11
  attacks shortly.
  
  
 
  
  
Most frightening is that with its
  virulence, if uncontrolled it could infect or have
  infected millions or much more, then suddenly that 2% dead
  becomes unimaginable.
  
  
 

  
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM
  Steve Jones 
  wrote:
  
  

  You dont think releasing
something as hyped up as kungflu at a major public
gathering, especially a trump rally wouldnt be a
major terror success? CNN and MSNBC would be
advertising for the terrorists 24/7. By the time
they were done with it, it could have killed zero
people, and everyone would still be hid out in their
house listening to their propaganda. Our economy
would crumble

 

  
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:14 PM
  Bill Prince 
  wrote:
  
  

  Not for me. So far it has mostly been meh.
   
  bp
  
   
  
On 2/22/2020 6:48 PM, Steve
  Jones wrote:
  
  

  As a terror weapon it
would be perfect

 

  
On Sat, Feb 22, 2020,
  8:11 PM Bill Prince 
  wrote:
  
  

  Kill rate is far too low to be
considered a bio-weapon. Kill rate needs
to be over 30%.
   
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Ken Hohhof]

I'm unfortunate enough to have built a number of my larger 3.65 sites right 
next to county lines.  One of them on the edge of our service territory and 
just over the county line (literally on County Line Rd.) into a fairly populous 
county that we could never afford to bid on.

I think this situation is really bad as far as licenses.  GAA is fine because 
it can cross county lines and is only constrained by aggregate interference 
into PAL protection areas (I'm using CBRS terminology, not sure it applies in 
this case or not).  But I'm a bit fuzzy on PALs and grants from the SAS that 
could cross a county line.  I'm pretty sure you can't do it if you don't have a 
PAL in both counties, and I'm not sure you can do it even then.


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Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Dennis Burgess 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz channels 
it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You would have to put 
down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small business and rural 
credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we will lower it 25%.. Now 
we are at $132k and 66k to start.

Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month over 
the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a month, 
but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for it all over 
10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a month for the next 
10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, as I would have to renew 
my lease. 

It really comes down to "what can you get it for" and what is it good for.  40 
MHz of licensed interference free spectrum in a count y is not horrible, and at 
1600 a month, I would think I could make that work.  I pay more than that for 
bandwidth so.  

Of course when a single block is running for 200k that’s a whole different 
proposition, that I would not think a WISP could make its investment back on.  
There are quite a few assumptions as well, do you have the cash to put down to 
try to win?  If not, then it’s a non-issue for you.  Or can you get a loan for 
that and see if you can capitalize  on getting your licensed channels.Not 
stating that is good or not, but you have to look at it like that...  



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Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets who 
would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a bank, 
assuming their bank knows what spectrum is at all. 

So their option would be to hope no one bids?

> On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> On 2/21/20 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding 
>> credits we are eligible for
> 
> 
> Which are applied to a winning bid, you still have to wire the FCC the full 
> amount at the beginning to participate.
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Ken Hohhof]

“So far, so good.”

 

- Steve McQueen character in The Magnificent Seven

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:19 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

 

[TINHATOFF]

It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's beginning to look like 
the trench/squat toilets common in China (and not most other places) is the 
major disease vector.

Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO deaths.

Contrast this to the latest US-only flu data 
 , with 29 million infections and 
16,000 deaths. I think we are paying attention to the wrong things  (so what's 
new about that?).

[/TINHATOFF]

bp

 

On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for a pandemic, and that 
containment didn’t fail, containment was hopeless from the start.  More 
communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu.  Still remains to be 
seen how it plays out in countries with better (and worse) healthcare systems 
than China, but it’s gonna spread worldwide.  Masks, thermometers and 
quarantine don’t seem to be magic bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, and stay off 
cruise ships.

 

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy

 

 

From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

 

 It seems that America's enemies know that the best way to have 
America's economy crumble is to let the Trump rallies go on fully unimpeded. 


 

A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but that's still a few thousand 
currently dead, including many medical staff, who are being mourned by their 
friends and families. It's likely that the number of people killed by 
coronavirus will surpass that of the 9/11 attacks shortly.

 

Most frightening is that with its virulence, if uncontrolled it could infect or 
have infected millions or much more, then suddenly that 2% dead becomes 
unimaginable.

 

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

You dont think releasing something as hyped up as kungflu at a major public 
gathering, especially a trump rally wouldnt be a major terror success? CNN and 
MSNBC would be advertising for the terrorists 24/7. By the time they were done 
with it, it could have killed zero people, and everyone would still be hid out 
in their house listening to their propaganda. Our economy would crumble

 

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:14 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Not for me. So far it has mostly been meh.

 

bp

 

On 2/22/2020 6:48 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

As a terror weapon it would be perfect

 

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 8:11 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Kill rate is far too low to be considered a bio-weapon. Kill rate needs to be 
over 30%.

 

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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/23/20 9:53 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote:

Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz channels 
it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You would have to put 
down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small business and rural 
credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we will lower it 25%.. Now 
we are at $132k and 66k to start.

Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month over 
the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a month, 
but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for it all over 
10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a month for the next 
10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, as I would have to renew 
my lease.



Who's providing the payment plan? A bank?

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Robert]

Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the cruise ship, 
I'm pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea and a severe case 
percentage of 20% and confirmed death rate _by WHO_ of 2% vs .1 percent 
for flu is apples and oranges.   But you keep telling yourself what 
makes you feel safe.   Keep drinking the koolaid while the long storage 
food supplies are bought up.    ( check on Amazon what's still available 
vs. sold out ).   Let's see what the numbers are in S. Korea NEXT 
Sunday. and see what modern medicine can do.


On 2/23/20 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:


[TINHATOFF]

It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's beginning to 
look like the trench/squat toilets common in China (and not most other 
places) is the major disease vector.


Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO deaths.

Contrast this to the latest US-only flu data 
, with 29 million infections 
and 16,000 deaths. I think we are paying attention to the wrong 
things  (so what's new about that?).


[/TINHATOFF]

bp


On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for a pandemic, and 
that containment didn’t fail, containment was hopeless from the 
start.  More communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu.  
Still remains to be seen how it plays out in countries with better 
(and worse) healthcare systems than China, but it’s gonna spread 
worldwide.  Masks, thermometers and quarantine don’t seem to be magic 
bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, and stay off cruise ships.


https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy

*From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
*Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
*To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
*Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

 It seems that America's enemies know that the best way to 
have America's economy crumble is to let the Trump rallies go on 
fully unimpeded. 


A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but that's still a few 
thousand currently dead, including many medical staff, who are being 
mourned by their friends and families. It's likely that the number of 
people killed by coronavirus will surpass that of the 9/11 attacks 
shortly.


Most frightening is that with its virulence, if uncontrolled it could 
infect or have infected millions or much more, then suddenly that 2% 
dead becomes unimaginable.


On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM Steve Jones > wrote:


You dont think releasing something as hyped up as kungflu at a
major public gathering, especially a trump rally wouldnt be a
major terror success? CNN and MSNBC would be advertising for the
terrorists 24/7. By the time they were done with it, it could
have killed zero people, and everyone would still be hid out in
their house listening to their propaganda. Our economy would crumble

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:14 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Not for me. So far it has mostly been meh.

bp



On 2/22/2020 6:48 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

As a terror weapon it would be perfect

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 8:11 PM Bill Prince
mailto:part15...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Kill rate is far too low to be considered a
bio-weapon. Kill rate needs to be over 30%.

bp



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[chuck]

Which cultures are better at washing up after taking a dump?  Like to see some 
comparison between that and the outbreaks.  

From: Bill Prince 
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:19 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[TINHATOFF]

It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's beginning to look like 
the trench/squat toilets common in China (and not most other places) is the 
major disease vector.

Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO deaths.

Contrast this to the latest US-only flu data, with 29 million infections and 
16,000 deaths. I think we are paying attention to the wrong things  (so what's 
new about that?).


[/TINHATOFF]


bp


On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for a pandemic, and that 
containment didn’t fail, containment was hopeless from the start.  More 
communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu.  Still remains to be 
seen how it plays out in countries with better (and worse) healthcare systems 
than China, but it’s gonna spread worldwide.  Masks, thermometers and 
quarantine don’t seem to be magic bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, and stay off 
cruise ships.

   

  https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy

   

   

  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
  Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

   

   It seems that America's enemies know that the best way to have 
America's economy crumble is to let the Trump rallies go on fully unimpeded. 


   

  A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but that's still a few thousand 
currently dead, including many medical staff, who are being mourned by their 
friends and families. It's likely that the number of people killed by 
coronavirus will surpass that of the 9/11 attacks shortly.

   

  Most frightening is that with its virulence, if uncontrolled it could infect 
or have infected millions or much more, then suddenly that 2% dead becomes 
unimaginable.

   

  On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM Steve Jones  wrote:

You dont think releasing something as hyped up as kungflu at a major public 
gathering, especially a trump rally wouldnt be a major terror success? CNN and 
MSNBC would be advertising for the terrorists 24/7. By the time they were done 
with it, it could have killed zero people, and everyone would still be hid out 
in their house listening to their propaganda. Our economy would crumble

 

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:14 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Not for me. So far it has mostly been meh.

   

bp On 2/22/2020 6:48 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

As a terror weapon it would be perfect

 

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 8:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:

  Kill rate is far too low to be considered a bio-weapon. Kill rate 
needs to be over 30%.

   

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Matt Hoppes]

Exactly. Give it a few more weeks. It hasn’t had much time in the U. S. Yet. 

> On Feb 23, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Robert  wrote:
> 
> Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the cruise ship, I'm 
> pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea and a severe case percentage of 
> 20% and confirmed death rate _by WHO_ of 2% vs .1 percent for flu is apples 
> and oranges.   But you keep telling yourself what makes you feel safe.   Keep 
> drinking the koolaid while the long storage food supplies are bought up.( 
> check on Amazon what's still available vs. sold out ).   Let's see what the   
> numbers are in S. Korea NEXT Sunday. and see what modern medicine can do. 
>   
> 
>> On 2/23/20 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>> [TINHATOFF]
>> 
>> It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's beginning to look 
>> like the trench/squat toilets common in China (and not most other places) is 
>> the major disease vector.
>> 
>> Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO deaths.
>> 
>> Contrast this to the latest US-only flu data, with 29 million infections and 
>> 16,000 deaths. I think we are paying attention to the wrong things  (so 
>> what's new about that?).
>> 
>> [/TINHATOFF]
>> 
>> bp
>> 
>> 
>>> On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>>> Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for a pandemic, and that 
>>> containment didn’t fail, containment was hopeless from the start.  More 
>>> communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu.  Still remains to be 
>>> seen how it plays out in countries with better (and worse) healthcare 
>>> systems than China, but it’s gonna spread worldwide.  Masks, thermometers 
>>> and quarantine don’t seem to be magic bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, and 
>>> stay off cruise ships.
>>>  
>>> https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
>>> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
>>>  
>>>  It seems that America's enemies know that the best way to have 
>>> America's economy crumble is to let the Trump rallies go on fully 
>>> unimpeded. 
>>>  
>>> A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but that's still a few thousand 
>>> currently dead, including many medical staff, who are being mourned by 
>>> their friends and families. It's likely that the number of people killed by 
>>> coronavirus will surpass that of the 9/11 attacks shortly.
>>>  
>>> Most frightening is that with its virulence, if uncontrolled it could 
>>> infect or have infected millions or much more, then suddenly that 2% dead 
>>> becomes unimaginable.
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM Steve Jones  
>>> wrote:
>>> You dont think releasing something as hyped up as kungflu at a major public 
>>> gathering, especially a trump rally wouldnt be a major terror success? CNN 
>>> and MSNBC would be advertising for the terrorists 24/7. By the time they 
>>> were done with it, it could have killed zero people, and everyone would 
>>> still be hid out in their house listening to their propaganda. Our economy 
>>> would crumble
>>>  
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:14 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> Not for me. So far it has mostly been meh.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
>>>  
>>> On 2/22/2020 6:48 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>>> As a terror weapon it would be perfect
>>>  
>>> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 8:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>>> Kill rate is far too low to be considered a bio-weapon. Kill rate needs to 
>>> be over 30%.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> bp
>>> 
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Mitch Koep]

This is what I tried to tell WISPA when they were pushing for spectrum 
to go to auction (EBS included)


but no one listened. They kept saying you'll get credits that will 
help Some help


IMHO WISPA is on the wrong path not helping "small"  wisp's

Mitch Koep


On 2/23/2020 11:53 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote:

Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz channels 
it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You would have to put 
down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small business and rural 
credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we will lower it 25%.. Now 
we are at $132k and 66k to start.

Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month over 
the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a month, 
but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for it all over 
10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a month for the next 
10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, as I would have to renew 
my lease.

It really comes down to "what can you get it for" and what is it good for.  40 
MHz of licensed interference free spectrum in a count y is not horrible, and at 1600 a 
month, I would think I could make that work.  I pay more than that for bandwidth so.

Of course when a single block is running for 200k that’s a whole different 
proposition, that I would not think a WISP could make its investment back on.  
There are quite a few assumptions as well, do you have the cash to put down to 
try to win?  If not, then it’s a non-issue for you.  Or can you get a loan for 
that and see if you can capitalize  on getting your licensed channels.Not 
stating that is good or not, but you have to look at it like that...



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Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets who 
would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a bank, 
assuming their bank knows what spectrum is at all.

So their option would be to hope no one bids?


On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:

On 2/21/20 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:

look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding credits we 
are eligible for


Which are applied to a winning bid, you still have to wire the FCC the full 
amount at the beginning to participate.

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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Cassidy B. Larson]

Random thoughts.. I always wondered about the difference in wispa membership 
price vs the size of your wisp. You have a number of smaller wisps paying $325 
with under 500 subs and those over 10k subs paying 10 times as much a year. 
Hard to balance needs of the many when bigger wisps get the same number of 
votes as the smaller ones, right?  Who do you cater to if you’re wispa? If it’s 
the smaller wisps, why would the bigger ones want to pay the larger fees?


> On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:43, Mitch Koep  wrote:
> 
> 
> This is what I tried to tell WISPA when they were pushing for spectrum to go 
> to auction (EBS included)
> 
> but no one listened. They kept saying you'll get credits that will help 
> Some help
> 
> IMHO WISPA is on the wrong path not helping "small"  wisp's 
> 
> Mitch Koep
> 
>   
> 
> On 2/23/2020 11:53 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote:
>> Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz 
>> channels it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You would 
>> have to put down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small business 
>> and rural credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we will lower 
>> it 25%.. Now we are at $132k and 66k to start.
>> 
>> Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month 
>> over the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a 
>> month, but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for 
>> it all over 10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a 
>> month for the next 10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, as 
>> I would have to renew my lease. 
>> 
>> It really comes down to "what can you get it for" and what is it good for.  
>> 40 MHz of licensed interference free spectrum in a count y is not horrible, 
>> and at 1600 a month, I would think I could make that work.  I pay more than 
>> that for bandwidth so.  
>> 
>> Of course when a single block is running for 200k that’s a whole different 
>> proposition, that I would not think a WISP could make its investment back 
>> on.  There are quite a few assumptions as well, do you have the cash to put 
>> down to try to win?  If not, then it’s a non-issue for you.  Or can you get 
>> a loan for that and see if you can capitalize  on getting your licensed 
>> channels.Not stating that is good or not, but you have to look at it 
>> like that...  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dennis Burgess, MikroTik Certified Trainer
>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP 
>> Certified 
>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” 
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>> Office: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net 
>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:30 PM
>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105
>> 
>> Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets 
>> who would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a 
>> bank, assuming their bank knows what spectrum is at all. 
>> 
>> So their option would be to hope no one bids?
>> 
 On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
 
 On 2/21/20 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
 look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding credits 
 we are eligible for
>>> 
>>> Which are applied to a winning bid, you still have to wire the FCC the full 
>>> amount at the beginning to participate.
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Ken Hohhof]

WISPA lobbied hard and long for census tract sized PALs.  In the end they were 
lucky to fend off the mobile guys who wanted PEAs.  None of us could have 
afforded PEAs.  Few of us can afford counties.

 

But I don’t think WISPA was choosing between small and large WISPs.  Almost 
zero WISPs are large enough to have their interests align with the big mobile 
guys.

 

I’m not sure what is the alternative you wanted WISPA to pursue.  Did you want 
them to lobby for free rather than auctions?  That would have been a waste of 
time, not going to happen.  Even less likely in cases where incumbents have to 
be paid to vacate the spectrum.

 

Or did you want them to spend their limited resources on other issues than 
spectrum licensing?  It’s certainly expensive in money and manpower trying to 
influence government policy, and it’s kind of like the guy with the broom in 
curling, you can only hope for small changes in direction.  If that’s your 
point, I’m not sure if you’re right or wrong, but it’s a valid thing to ask.

 

Maybe after some of these spectrum auctions, WISPA should do an audit of how 
many WISPs actually acquire licenses, or what percentage of licenses go to 
WISPs, or something like that.  If at the end of the day it was just 1 or 2 
licenses and all the rest went to Big Mobile (or Big Silicon Valley or 
something), perhaps it would make sense to just admit defeat and focus on 
something else.

 

But if some WISPs acquire PALs (even though it probably won’t be me or you), 
then maybe it was worthwhile WISPA fighting against PEAs.  Without that, 
instead of a disappointing outcome, it would have been a devastating outcome.

 

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 2:09 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

 

Random thoughts.. I always wondered about the difference in wispa membership 
price vs the size of your wisp. You have a number of smaller wisps paying $325 
with under 500 subs and those over 10k subs paying 10 times as much a year. 
Hard to balance needs of the many when bigger wisps get the same number of 
votes as the smaller ones, right?  Who do you cater to if you’re wispa? If it’s 
the smaller wisps, why would the bigger ones want to pay the larger fees?

 





On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:43, Mitch Koep mailto:af...@abwisp.com> > wrote:

 

This is what I tried to tell WISPA when they were pushing for spectrum to go to 
auction (EBS included)

but no one listened. They kept saying you'll get credits that will help 
Some help

IMHO WISPA is on the wrong path not helping "small"  wisp's 

Mitch Koep

  

On 2/23/2020 11:53 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote:

Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz channels 
it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You would have to put 
down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small business and rural 
credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we will lower it 25%.. Now 
we are at $132k and 66k to start.
 
Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month over 
the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a month, 
but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for it all over 
10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a month for the next 
10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, as I would have to renew 
my lease. 
 
It really comes down to "what can you get it for" and what is it good for.  40 
MHz of licensed interference free spectrum in a count y is not horrible, and at 
1600 a month, I would think I could make that work.  I pay more than that for 
bandwidth so.  
 
Of course when a single block is running for 200k that’s a whole different 
proposition, that I would not think a WISP could make its investment back on.  
There are quite a few assumptions as well, do you have the cash to put down to 
try to win?  If not, then it’s a non-issue for you.  Or can you get a loan for 
that and see if you can capitalize  on getting your licensed channels.Not 
stating that is good or not, but you have to look at it like that...  
 
 
 
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MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP 
Certified 
Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” 
Link Technologies, Inc -- MikroTik & WISP Support Services 
Office: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net 
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From: AF    On Behalf 
Of Dev
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group   
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105
 
Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets who 
would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a bank, 
assuming their ban

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Steve Jones]

Its had over a month in the us, still zero transmissions outside the guy
banging his infected wife... theyre both home and virus free now btw

On Sun, Feb 23, 2020, 1:24 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:

> Exactly. Give it a few more weeks. It hasn’t had much time in the U. S.
> Yet.
>
> On Feb 23, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Robert  wrote:
>
> Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the cruise ship, I'm
> pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea and a severe case percentage of
> 20% and confirmed death rate _by WHO_ of 2% vs .1 percent for flu is apples
> and oranges.   But you keep telling yourself what makes you feel safe.
> Keep drinking the koolaid while the long storage food supplies are bought
> up.( check on Amazon what's still available vs. sold out ).   Let's see
> what the numbers are in S. Korea NEXT Sunday. and see what modern medicine
> can do.
>
> On 2/23/20 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> [TINHATOFF]
>
> It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's beginning to look
> like the trench/squat toilets common in China (and not most other places)
> is the major disease vector.
>
> Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO deaths.
>
> Contrast this to the latest US-only flu data
> , with 29 million infections
> and 16,000 deaths. I think we are paying attention to the wrong things  (so
> what's new about that?).
>
> [/TINHATOFF]
>
> bp
> 
>
>
> On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for a pandemic, and that
> containment didn’t fail, containment was hopeless from the start.  More
> communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu.  Still remains to be
> seen how it plays out in countries with better (and worse) healthcare
> systems than China, but it’s gonna spread worldwide.  Masks, thermometers
> and quarantine don’t seem to be magic bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, and
> stay off cruise ships.
>
>
>
> https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF   *On Behalf
> Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
>
>
>
>  It seems that America's enemies know that the best way to have
> America's economy crumble is to let the Trump rallies go on fully
> unimpeded. 
>
>
>
> A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but that's still a few
> thousand currently dead, including many medical staff, who are being
> mourned by their friends and families. It's likely that the number of
> people killed by coronavirus will surpass that of the 9/11 attacks shortly.
>
>
>
> Most frightening is that with its virulence, if uncontrolled it could
> infect or have infected millions or much more, then suddenly that 2% dead
> becomes unimaginable.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> You dont think releasing something as hyped up as kungflu at a major
> public gathering, especially a trump rally wouldnt be a major terror
> success? CNN and MSNBC would be advertising for the terrorists 24/7. By the
> time they were done with it, it could have killed zero people, and everyone
> would still be hid out in their house listening to their propaganda. Our
> economy would crumble
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:14 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Not for me. So far it has mostly been meh.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/22/2020 6:48 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
>
> As a terror weapon it would be perfect
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 8:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
>
> Kill rate is far too low to be considered a bio-weapon. Kill rate needs to
> be over 30%.
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Matt Hoppes]

THAT WE KNOW OF. 

Can’t have infections if you aren’t testing for them, now can you?

> On Feb 23, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:
> 
> Its had over a month in the us, still zero transmissions outside the guy 
> banging his infected wife... theyre both home and virus free now btw
> 
>> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020, 1:24 PM Matt Hoppes 
>>  wrote:
>> Exactly. Give it a few more weeks. It hasn’t had much time in the U. S. Yet. 
>> 
>>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Robert  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the cruise ship, I'm 
>>> pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea and a severe case percentage of 
>>> 20% and confirmed death rate _by WHO_ of 2% vs .1 percent for flu is apples 
>>> and oranges.   But you keep telling yourself what makes you feel safe.   
>>> Keep drinking the koolaid while the long storage food supplies are bought 
>>> up.( check on Amazon what's still available vs. sold out ).   Let's see 
>>> what the numbers are in S. Korea NEXT Sunday. and see what modern medicine 
>>> can do.   
>>> 
 On 2/23/20 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
 [TINHATOFF]
 
 It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's beginning to look 
 like the trench/squat toilets common in China (and not most other places) 
 is the major disease vector.
 
 Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO deaths.
 
 Contrast this to the latest US-only   flu data, with 29 million 
 infections and 16,000 deaths. I think we are paying attention to the wrong 
 things  (so what's new about that?).
 
 [/TINHATOFF]
 
 bp
 
 
> On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
> Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for a pandemic, and that 
> containment didn’t fail, containment was hopeless from the start.  More 
> communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu.  Still remains to 
> be seen how it plays out in countries with better (and worse) healthcare 
> systems than China, but it’s gonna spread worldwide.  Masks, thermometers 
> and quarantine don’t seem to be magic bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, 
> and stay off cruise ships.
> 
>  
> 
> https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: AF  On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
> Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
> 
>  
> 
>  It seems that America's enemies know that the best way to 
> have America's economy crumble is to let the Trump rallies go on fully 
> unimpeded. 
> 
>  
> 
> A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but that's still a few 
> thousand currently dead, including many medical staff, who are being 
> mourned by their friends and families. It's likely that 
> the number of people killed by coronavirus will surpass that of the 9/11 
> attacks shortly.
> 
>  
> 
> Most frightening is that with its virulence, if uncontrolled it could 
> infect or have infected millions or much more, then suddenly that 2% dead 
> becomes unimaginable.
> 
>  
> 
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM Steve Jones  
> wrote:
> 
> You dont think releasing something as hyped up as kungflu at a major 
> public gathering, especially a trump rally wouldnt be a major terror 
> success? CNN and MSNBC would be advertising for the terrorists 24/7. By 
> the time they were done with it, it could have killed zero people, and 
> everyone would still be hid out in their house listening to their 
> propaganda. Our economy would crumble
> 
>  
> 
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:14 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> Not for me. So far it has mostly been meh.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
>  
> On 2/22/2020 6:48 PM, Steve Jones wrote:
> 
> As a terror weapon it would be perfect
> 
>  
> 
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 8:11 PM Bill Prince  wrote:
> 
> Kill rate is far too low to be considered a bio-weapon. Kill rate needs 
> to be over 30%.
> 
>  
> 
> bp
> 
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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[chuck]

And here I though my cough was from the black lung...

From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 2:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

THAT WE KNOW OF. 

Can’t have infections if you aren’t testing for them, now can you?

On Feb 23, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Steve Jones  wrote:


  Its had over a month in the us, still zero transmissions outside the guy 
banging his infected wife... theyre both home and virus free now btw

  On Sun, Feb 23, 2020, 1:24 PM Matt Hoppes  
wrote:

Exactly. Give it a few more weeks. It hasn’t had much time in the U. S. 
Yet. 

On Feb 23, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Robert  wrote:


  Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the cruise ship, 
I'm pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea and a severe case percentage of 
20% and confirmed death rate _by WHO_ of 2% vs .1 percent for flu is apples and 
oranges.   But you keep telling yourself what makes you feel safe.   Keep 
drinking the koolaid while the long storage food supplies are bought up.( 
check on Amazon what's still available vs. sold out ).   Let's see what the 
numbers are in S. Korea NEXT Sunday. and see what modern medicine can do.   


  On 2/23/20 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

[TINHATOFF]

It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's beginning to 
look like the trench/squat toilets common in China (and not most other places) 
is the major disease vector.

Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO deaths.

Contrast this to the latest US-only flu data, with 29 million 
infections and 16,000 deaths. I think we are paying attention to the wrong 
things  (so what's new about that?).


[/TINHATOFF]


bp


On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

  Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for a pandemic, and 
that containment didn’t fail, containment was hopeless from the start.  More 
communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu.  Still remains to be 
seen how it plays out in countries with better (and worse) healthcare systems 
than China, but it’s gonna spread worldwide.  Masks, thermometers and 
quarantine don’t seem to be magic bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, and stay off 
cruise ships.



  
https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy





  From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
  Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
  To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)



   It seems that America's enemies know that the best way to 
have America's economy crumble is to let the Trump rallies go on fully 
unimpeded. 



  A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but that's still a few 
thousand currently dead, including many medical staff, who are being mourned by 
their friends and families. It's likely that the number of people killed by 
coronavirus will surpass that of the 9/11 attacks shortly.



  Most frightening is that with its virulence, if uncontrolled it could 
infect or have infected millions or much more, then suddenly that 2% dead 
becomes unimaginable.



  On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM Steve Jones 
 wrote:

You dont think releasing something as hyped up as kungflu at a 
major public gathering, especially a trump rally wouldnt be a major terror 
success? CNN and MSNBC would be advertising for the terrorists 24/7. By the 
time they were done with it, it could have killed zero people, and everyone 
would still be hid out in their house listening to their propaganda. Our 
economy would crumble



On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:14 PM Bill Prince  
wrote:

  Not for me. So far it has mostly been meh.



bp On 2/22/2020 6:48 PM, Steve Jones wrote:

As a terror weapon it would be perfect



On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 8:11 PM Bill Prince  
wrote:

  Kill rate is far too low to be considered a bio-weapon. Kill 
rate needs to be over 30%.



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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I lost my tin foil hat when I took my shower this morning. I ran
  around in a panic for almost 20 minutes until I found it.
{cough} ... {cough} ... {cough}


bp



On 2/23/2020 1:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
  wrote:


  
  

  And here I though my cough was from the black lung...
  

   
  
From: Matt Hoppes 
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 2:04 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users
Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT
  stock)
  

 
  
  
THAT WE KNOW OF. 
 
Can’t have infections if you aren’t testing
  for them, now can you?

  On Feb 23, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Steve Jones 
  wrote:
  


  
Its had over a month in the us, still zero
  transmissions outside the guy banging his infected
  wife... theyre both home and virus free now btw
 

  On Sun, Feb 23,
2020, 1:24 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:
  
  

  Exactly. Give it a few more weeks.
It hasn’t had much time in the U. S. Yet. 
  
On Feb 23, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Robert 
wrote:

  
  
Hmmm, I don't think they used
trench/squat toilets on the cruise ship, I'm
pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea
and a severe case percentage of 20% and
confirmed death rate _by WHO_ of 2% vs .1
percent for flu is apples and oranges.   But
you keep telling yourself what makes you
feel safe.   Keep drinking the koolaid while
the long storage food supplies are bought
up.    ( check on Amazon what's still
available vs. sold out ).   Let's see what
the numbers are in S. Korea NEXT Sunday. and
see what modern medicine can do.   
  
  On 2/23/20 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
  
  
[TINHATOFF]
It still after several weeks looks way
  overblown. It's beginning to look like the
  trench/squat toilets common in China (and
  not most other places) is the major
  disease vector.
Total cases in the US is only 35
  individuals, and ZERO deaths.
Contrast this to the latest US-only
flu data, with 29 million infections
  and 16,000 deaths. I think we are paying
  attention to the wrong things  (so what's
  new about that?).

[/TINHATOFF]

bp



On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
Experts are
  starting to say it’s time to prepare
  for a pandemic, and that containment
  didn’t fail, containment was hopeless
  from the start.  More communicable
  than SARS, more deadly than seasonal
  flu.  Still remains to be seen how it
  plays out in countries with better
  (and worse) healthcare systems than
  China, but it’s gonna spread
  worldwide.  Masks, thermometers and
  quarantine don’t seem to be magic
  bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, and
  stay off cruise ships.
 
https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Mark Radabaugh]

> On Feb 23, 2020, at 1:30 PM, Ken Hohhof  wrote:
> 
>   But I'm a bit fuzzy on PALs and grants from the SAS that could cross a 
> county line.  I'm pretty sure you can't do it if you don't have a PAL in both 
> counties, and I'm not sure you can do it even then.
> 

As I understand it the PAL crossing a county line would be restricted in power 
output at the border to the -80dB measured at 1.5m with a unity gain antenna - 
so really still pretty loud.   If no PAL on that channel in the neighboring 
county exists I don’t think there is a limit (other than the basic output power 
limits of the base station).   If you own the neighboring PAL or can work out 
an agreement with the owner of the adjacent PAL you can set the border power 
limit to whatever you agree to.

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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Mark Radabaugh]

From the inside…. very little of what WISPA does has much consideration given 
to the size of the WISP.   If anything it’s biased toward the smaller 
providers, not the large providers.There are some areas where WISPA does 
have working groups that pay attention to issues that affect larger WISP’s 
working with programs like CAF, RDOF, etc. to try to make sure that those 
programs are available to smaller WISPS (and in the grand scheme of things even 
the largest WISP’s are small).There are also a lot of things that happen in 
these federal programs that will eventually trickle down to all providers.   We 
are already seeing this in proposals for the updated reporting requirements 
(the replacement for the current 477 reporting) and testing requirements that 
we will all likely eventually be stuck with.   Not fighting those battles now 
when they only effect CAF/RDOF/etc. will only hurt us all later.

As far as auction versus non-auction - there was ZERO chance that any of this 
spectrum was going to be made available without charge.  None, Zero, Zilch.  
It’s wasn’t going to happen.  Full Stop.It wasn’t happening under the 
democratic administration and commission, and it sure as hell isn’t going to 
happen under a republican administration.   Maybe Bernie will help you out.  Or 
he will decide we need to nationalize all these pesky little Internet companies.

Mark


> On Feb 23, 2020, at 3:09 PM, Cassidy B. Larson  wrote:
> 
> Random thoughts.. I always wondered about the difference in wispa membership 
> price vs the size of your wisp. You have a number of smaller wisps paying 
> $325 with under 500 subs and those over 10k subs paying 10 times as much a 
> year. Hard to balance needs of the many when bigger wisps get the same number 
> of votes as the smaller ones, right?  Who do you cater to if you’re wispa? If 
> it’s the smaller wisps, why would the bigger ones want to pay the larger fees?
> 
> 
>> On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:43, Mitch Koep  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> This is what I tried to tell WISPA when they were pushing for spectrum to go 
>> to auction (EBS included)
>> 
>> but no one listened. They kept saying you'll get credits that will help 
>> Some help
>> 
>> IMHO WISPA is on the wrong path not helping "small"  wisp's 
>> 
>> Mitch Koep
>> 
>>   
>> 
>> On 2/23/2020 11:53 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote:
>>> Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz 
>>> channels it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You 
>>> would have to put down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small 
>>> business and rural credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we 
>>> will lower it 25%.. Now we are at $132k and 66k to start.
>>> 
>>> Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month 
>>> over the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a 
>>> month, but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for 
>>> it all over 10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a 
>>> month for the next 10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, 
>>> as I would have to renew my lease. 
>>> 
>>> It really comes down to "what can you get it for" and what is it good for.  
>>> 40 MHz of licensed interference free spectrum in a count y is not horrible, 
>>> and at 1600 a month, I would think I could make that work.  I pay more than 
>>> that for bandwidth so.  
>>> 
>>> Of course when a single block is running for 200k that’s a whole different 
>>> proposition, that I would not think a WISP could make its investment back 
>>> on.  There are quite a few assumptions as well, do you have the cash to put 
>>> down to try to win?  If not, then it’s a non-issue for you.  Or can you get 
>>> a loan for that and see if you can capitalize  on getting your licensed 
>>> channels.Not stating that is good or not, but you have to look at it 
>>> like that...  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dennis Burgess, MikroTik Certified Trainer
>>> MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP 
>>> Certified 
>>> Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” 
>>> Link Technologies, Inc -- MikroTik & WISP Support Services 
>>> Office: 314-735-0270  Website: http://www.linktechs.net 
>>>  
>>> Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: AF   On 
>>> Behalf Of Dev
>>> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:30 PM
>>> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group  
>>> 
>>> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105
>>> 
>>> Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets 
>>> who would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a 
>>> bank, assuming their bank knows what spectrum is at all. 
>>> 
>>> So their option would be to hope no one bids?
>>> 
 On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:41 AM, S

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Ken Hohhof]

I love the people who say it’s no big deal because it mostly kills people over 
60.  Have things progressed from “OK Boomer” to “Curl up and die Boomer”?

 

Does that mean we need to vote for Mayor Pete because he’s the only candidate 
young enough to survive the culling of the herd?  It’ll be just Pete, baby 
Groot, baby Yoda, and baby Mr. Peanut left standing.

 

Yes, I’m over 60.  Not as old as Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg, or Trump though.  Or 
most of Congress.  Trump will be OK, isn’t he supposed to be a germaphobe?  
Probably already washing his hands 20 times a today.  Which is recommended for 
both seasonal and Wuhan flu.

 

Cough … cough … cough

 

From: AF  On Behalf Of Bill Prince
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 4:23 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

 

I lost my tin foil hat when I took my shower this morning. I ran around in a 
panic for almost 20 minutes until I found it.

{cough} ... {cough} ... {cough}

 

bp

 

On 2/23/2020 1:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com   wrote:

And here I though my cough was from the black lung...

 

From: Matt Hoppes 

Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 2:04 PM

To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 

Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

 

THAT WE KNOW OF. 

 

Can’t have infections if you aren’t testing for them, now can you?


On Feb 23, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Its had over a month in the us, still zero transmissions outside the guy 
banging his infected wife... theyre both home and virus free now btw

 

On Sun, Feb 23, 2020, 1:24 PM Matt Hoppes mailto:mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> > wrote:

Exactly. Give it a few more weeks. It hasn’t had much time in the U. S. Yet. 


On Feb 23, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Robert mailto:i...@avantwireless.com> > wrote:

Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the cruise ship, I'm 
pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea and a severe case percentage of 20% 
and confirmed death rate _by WHO_ of 2% vs .1 percent for flu is apples and 
oranges.   But you keep telling yourself what makes you feel safe.   Keep 
drinking the koolaid while the long storage food supplies are bought up.( 
check on Amazon what's still available vs. sold out ).   Let's see what the 
numbers are in S. Korea NEXT Sunday. and see what modern medicine can do.   

On 2/23/20 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:

[TINHATOFF]

It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's beginning to look like 
the trench/squat toilets common in China (and not most other places) is the 
major disease vector.

Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO deaths.

Contrast this to the latest US-only flu data 
 , with 29 million infections and 
16,000 deaths. I think we are paying attention to the wrong things  (so what's 
new about that?).

[/TINHATOFF]

bp

 

On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:

Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for a pandemic, and that 
containment didn’t fail, containment was hopeless from the start.  More 
communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu.  Still remains to be 
seen how it plays out in countries with better (and worse) healthcare systems 
than China, but it’s gonna spread worldwide.  Masks, thermometers and 
quarantine don’t seem to be magic bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, and stay off 
cruise ships.

 

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy

 

 

From: AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com On Behalf Of Colin Stanners
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

 

 It seems that America's enemies know that the best way to have 
America's economy crumble is to let the Trump rallies go on fully unimpeded. 


 

A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but that's still a few thousand 
currently dead, including many medical staff, who are being mourned by their 
friends and families. It's likely that the number of people killed by 
coronavirus will surpass that of the 9/11 attacks shortly.

 

Most frightening is that with its virulence, if uncontrolled it could infect or 
have infected millions or much more, then suddenly that 2% dead becomes 
unimaginable.

 

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM Steve Jones mailto:thatoneguyst...@gmail.com> > wrote:

You dont think releasing something as hyped up as kungflu at a major public 
gathering, especially a trump rally wouldnt be a major terror success? CNN and 
MSNBC would be advertising for the terrorists 24/7. By the time they were done 
with it, it could have killed zero people, and everyone would still be hid out 
in their house listening to their propaganda. Our economy would crumble

 

On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 9:14 PM Bill Prince mailto:part15...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Not for me. So far it has mostly been meh.

 

bp

 

On 2/22/2020 6:48 PM, Stev

Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Steve Jones]

Rotflmao"that we know of" hahaha

On Sun, Feb 23, 2020, 7:08 PM Ken Hohhof  wrote:

> I love the people who say it’s no big deal because it mostly kills people
> over 60.  Have things progressed from “OK Boomer” to “Curl up and die
> Boomer”?
>
>
>
> Does that mean we need to vote for Mayor Pete because he’s the only
> candidate young enough to survive the culling of the herd?  It’ll be just
> Pete, baby Groot, baby Yoda, and baby Mr. Peanut left standing.
>
>
>
> Yes, I’m over 60.  Not as old as Bernie, Biden, Bloomberg, or Trump
> though.  Or most of Congress.  Trump will be OK, isn’t he supposed to be a
> germaphobe?  Probably already washing his hands 20 times a today.  Which is
> recommended for both seasonal and Wuhan flu.
>
>
>
> Cough … cough … cough
>
>
>
> *From:* AF  *On Behalf Of *Bill Prince
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2020 4:23 PM
> *To:* af@af.afmug.com
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
>
>
>
> I lost my tin foil hat when I took my shower this morning. I ran around in
> a panic for almost 20 minutes until I found it.
>
> {cough} ... {cough} ... {cough}
>
>
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/23/2020 1:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com wrote:
>
> And here I though my cough was from the black lung...
>
>
>
> *From:* Matt Hoppes
>
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2020 2:04 PM
>
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
>
>
>
> THAT WE KNOW OF.
>
>
>
> Can’t have infections if you aren’t testing for them, now can you?
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> Its had over a month in the us, still zero transmissions outside the guy
> banging his infected wife... theyre both home and virus free now btw
>
>
>
> On Sun, Feb 23, 2020, 1:24 PM Matt Hoppes <
> mattli...@rivervalleyinternet.net> wrote:
>
> Exactly. Give it a few more weeks. It hasn’t had much time in the U. S.
> Yet.
>
>
> On Feb 23, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Robert  wrote:
>
> Hmmm, I don't think they used trench/squat toilets on the cruise ship, I'm
> pretty sure they don't use them in S. Korea and a severe case percentage of
> 20% and confirmed death rate _by WHO_ of 2% vs .1 percent for flu is apples
> and oranges.   But you keep telling yourself what makes you feel safe.
> Keep drinking the koolaid while the long storage food supplies are bought
> up.( check on Amazon what's still available vs. sold out ).   Let's see
> what the numbers are in S. Korea NEXT Sunday. and see what modern medicine
> can do.
>
> On 2/23/20 10:19 AM, Bill Prince wrote:
>
> [TINHATOFF]
>
> It still after several weeks looks way overblown. It's beginning to look
> like the trench/squat toilets common in China (and not most other places)
> is the major disease vector.
>
> Total cases in the US is only 35 individuals, and ZERO deaths.
>
> Contrast this to the latest US-only flu data
> , with 29 million infections
> and 16,000 deaths. I think we are paying attention to the wrong things  (so
> what's new about that?).
>
> [/TINHATOFF]
>
> bp
>
> 
>
>
>
> On 2/23/2020 9:40 AM, Ken Hohhof wrote:
>
> Experts are starting to say it’s time to prepare for a pandemic, and that
> containment didn’t fail, containment was hopeless from the start.  More
> communicable than SARS, more deadly than seasonal flu.  Still remains to be
> seen how it plays out in countries with better (and worse) healthcare
> systems than China, but it’s gonna spread worldwide.  Masks, thermometers
> and quarantine don’t seem to be magic bullets.  Buy lots of hand soap, and
> stay off cruise ships.
>
>
>
> https://www.vox.com/2020/2/23/21149327/coronavirus-pandemic-meaning-italy
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* AF mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com  *On
> Behalf Of *Colin Stanners
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:58 AM
> *To:* AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group mailto:af@af.afmug.com
> 
> *Subject:* Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
>
>
>
>  It seems that America's enemies know that the best way to have
> America's economy crumble is to let the Trump rallies go on fully
> unimpeded. 
>
>
>
> A kill rate of 2% seems small as statistic, but that's still a few
> thousand currently dead, including many medical staff, who are being
> mourned by their friends and families. It's likely that the number of
> people killed by coronavirus will surpass that of the 9/11 attacks shortly.
>
>
>
> Most frightening is that with its virulence, if uncontrolled it could
> infect or have infected millions or much more, then suddenly that 2% dead
> becomes unimaginable.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 22, 2020, 11:55 PM Steve Jones 
> wrote:
>
> You dont think releasing something as hyped up as kungflu at a major
> public gathering, especially a trump rally wouldnt be a major terror
> success? CNN and MSNBC would be advertising for the terrorists 24/7. By the
> time they were done with it, it could have killed zero people, and everyone
> would still be hid out in their house listening to their propaganda. Our
> eco

Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[David Williamson]

How do we bid on spectrum for this?  I am interested in doing this for the 
region we are in.

Regards,


David Williamson
Owner
Custom Computers
Winchester Wireless
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-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Ken Hohhof
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 1:30 PM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

I'm unfortunate enough to have built a number of my larger 3.65 sites right 
next to county lines.  One of them on the edge of our service territory and 
just over the county line (literally on County Line Rd.) into a fairly populous 
county that we could never afford to bid on.

I think this situation is really bad as far as licenses.  GAA is fine because 
it can cross county lines and is only constrained by aggregate interference 
into PAL protection areas (I'm using CBRS terminology, not sure it applies in 
this case or not).  But I'm a bit fuzzy on PALs and grants from the SAS that 
could cross a county line.  I'm pretty sure you can't do it if you don't have a 
PAL in both counties, and I'm not sure you can do it even then.


-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Dennis Burgess via AF
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 11:53 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Cc: Dennis Burgess 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz channels 
it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You would have to put 
down 88k to start to bid on it.  Assuming we get small business and rural 
credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so  we will lower it 25%.. Now 
we are at $132k and 66k to start.

Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month over 
the next 10  years.  So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a month, 
but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for it all over 
10 years.   With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600  a month for the next 
10 years.  Then after that, I would have to pay again, as I would have to renew 
my lease. 

It really comes down to "what can you get it for" and what is it good for.  40 
MHz of licensed interference free spectrum in a count y is not horrible, and at 
1600 a month, I would think I could make that work.  I pay more than that for 
bandwidth so.  

Of course when a single block is running for 200k that’s a whole different 
proposition, that I would not think a WISP could make its investment back on.  
There are quite a few assumptions as well, do you have the cash to put down to 
try to win?  If not, then it’s a non-issue for you.  Or can you get a loan for 
that and see if you can capitalize  on getting your licensed channels.Not 
stating that is good or not, but you have to look at it like that...  



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-Original Message-
From: AF  On Behalf Of Dev
Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:30 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets who 
would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a bank, 
assuming their bank knows what spectrum is at all. 

So their option would be to hope no one bids?

> On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Seth Mattinen  wrote:
> 
> On 2/21/20 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
>> look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding 
>> credits we are eligible for
> 
> 
> Which are applied to a winning bid, you still have to wire the FCC the full 
> amount at the beginning to participate.
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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[Seth Mattinen]

On 2/23/20 5:51 PM, David Williamson wrote:

How do we bid on spectrum for this?  I am interested in doing this for the 
region we are in.




https://www.fcc.gov/auction/105

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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[David Williamson]

Thanks.  I am looking at the spreadsheet now.  What is "Bidding Units"?

David Williamson

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 9:08 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

On 2/23/20 5:51 PM, David Williamson wrote:
> How do we bid on spectrum for this?  I am interested in doing this for
the region we are in.
> 


https://www.fcc.gov/auction/105

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Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

[David Williamson]

Also, what is "Proposed CMA Bidding" column?

Thanks,

David Williamson

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of David Williamson
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 9:17 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

Thanks.  I am looking at the spreadsheet now.  What is "Bidding Units"?

David Williamson

-Original Message-
From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Seth Mattinen
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 9:08 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105

On 2/23/20 5:51 PM, David Williamson wrote:
> How do we bid on spectrum for this?  I am interested in doing this for
the region we are in.
> 


https://www.fcc.gov/auction/105

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Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

[Bill Prince]

  
  
I am way over 60. Almost a septuagenarian. 

You forgot baby shark 

do do dee do do
bp



On 2/23/2020 5:08 PM, Ken Hohhof wrote:


  
  
  
  
  
I love the people who say it’s no big deal
  because it mostly kills people over 60.  Have things
  progressed from “OK Boomer” to “Curl up and die Boomer”?
 
Does that mean we need to vote for Mayor
  Pete because he’s the only candidate young enough to survive
  the culling of the herd?  It’ll be just Pete, baby Groot, baby
  Yoda, and baby Mr. Peanut left standing.
 
Yes, I’m over 60.  Not as old as Bernie,
  Biden, Bloomberg, or Trump though.  Or most of Congress. 
  Trump will be OK, isn’t he supposed to be a germaphobe? 
  Probably already washing his hands 20 times a today.  Which is
  recommended for both seasonal and Wuhan flu.
 
Cough … cough … cough
 

  
From: AF
   On Behalf Of Bill
  Prince
  Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 4:23 PM
  To: af@af.afmug.com
  Subject: Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)
  

 
I lost my tin foil hat when I took my shower this morning. I
  ran around in a panic for almost 20 minutes until I found it.
{cough} ... {cough} ... {cough}
 
bp

 

  On 2/23/2020 1:49 PM, ch...@wbmfg.com
wrote:


  

  
And here I
though my cough was from the black lung...
  
  

  
 
  
  

  From:
  Matt Hoppes 


  Sent:
  Sunday, February 23, 2020 2:04 PM


  To:
  AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group 


  Subject:
  Re: [AFMUG] OT: Corona-fu (was UBNT stock)

  


   

  
  

  THAT WE KNOW
  OF. 


   


  Can’t have
  infections if you aren’t testing for them, now can
  you?


  
  On Feb 23, 2020, at 4:00 PM, Steve Jones 
  wrote:


  

  Its had
  over a month in the us, still zero
  transmissions outside the guy banging his
  infected wife... theyre both home and virus
  free now btw


   


  
On Sun,
Feb 23, 2020, 1:24 PM Matt Hoppes 
wrote:
  
  

  
Exactly.
Give it a few more weeks. It hasn’t had
much time in the U. S. Yet. 
  
  

On Feb 23, 2020, at 2:05 PM, Robert 
wrote:
  
  

  Hmmm,
I don't think they used trench/squat
toilets on the cruise ship, I'm
pretty sure they don't use them in
S. Korea and a severe case
percentage of 20% and confirmed
death rate _by WHO_ of 2% vs .1
percent for flu is apples and
oranges.   But you keep telling
yourself what makes you feel safe.  
Keep drinking the koolaid while the
long storage food supplies are
bough