WISPA lobbied hard and long for census tract sized PALs. In the end they were lucky to fend off the mobile guys who wanted PEAs. None of us could have afforded PEAs. Few of us can afford counties.
But I don’t think WISPA was choosing between small and large WISPs. Almost zero WISPs are large enough to have their interests align with the big mobile guys. I’m not sure what is the alternative you wanted WISPA to pursue. Did you want them to lobby for free rather than auctions? That would have been a waste of time, not going to happen. Even less likely in cases where incumbents have to be paid to vacate the spectrum. Or did you want them to spend their limited resources on other issues than spectrum licensing? It’s certainly expensive in money and manpower trying to influence government policy, and it’s kind of like the guy with the broom in curling, you can only hope for small changes in direction. If that’s your point, I’m not sure if you’re right or wrong, but it’s a valid thing to ask. Maybe after some of these spectrum auctions, WISPA should do an audit of how many WISPs actually acquire licenses, or what percentage of licenses go to WISPs, or something like that. If at the end of the day it was just 1 or 2 licenses and all the rest went to Big Mobile (or Big Silicon Valley or something), perhaps it would make sense to just admit defeat and focus on something else. But if some WISPs acquire PALs (even though it probably won’t be me or you), then maybe it was worthwhile WISPA fighting against PEAs. Without that, instead of a disappointing outcome, it would have been a devastating outcome. From: AF <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Cassidy B. Larson Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 2:09 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105 Random thoughts.. I always wondered about the difference in wispa membership price vs the size of your wisp. You have a number of smaller wisps paying $325 with under 500 subs and those over 10k subs paying 10 times as much a year. Hard to balance needs of the many when bigger wisps get the same number of votes as the smaller ones, right? Who do you cater to if you’re wispa? If it’s the smaller wisps, why would the bigger ones want to pay the larger fees? On Feb 23, 2020, at 12:43, Mitch Koep <af...@abwisp.com <mailto:af...@abwisp.com> > wrote: This is what I tried to tell WISPA when they were pushing for spectrum to go to auction (EBS included) but no one listened. They kept saying you'll get credits that will help.... Some help IMHO WISPA is on the wrong path not helping "small" wisp's Mitch Koep On 2/23/2020 11:53 AM, Dennis Burgess via AF wrote: Our county opening bid is 44k, so assuming you need two clean 20 MHz channels it would be $176k for that, assuming no one else bids it. You would have to put down 88k to start to bid on it. Assuming we get small business and rural credits that would be lowered by at least 25% ,so we will lower it 25%.. Now we are at $132k and 66k to start. Assuming they provide a no interest payment plan it would be $550 a month over the next 10 years. So one way to look is it would be 66k plus 550 a month, but you had to have the 66k so just assume you could get a loan for it all over 10 years. With a 8% interest it would be around $1,600 a month for the next 10 years. Then after that, I would have to pay again, as I would have to renew my lease. It really comes down to "what can you get it for" and what is it good for. 40 MHz of licensed interference free spectrum in a count y is not horrible, and at 1600 a month, I would think I could make that work. I pay more than that for bandwidth so. Of course when a single block is running for 200k that’s a whole different proposition, that I would not think a WISP could make its investment back on. There are quite a few assumptions as well, do you have the cash to put down to try to win? If not, then it’s a non-issue for you. Or can you get a loan for that and see if you can capitalize on getting your licensed channels. Not stating that is good or not, but you have to look at it like that... Dennis Burgess, MikroTik Certified Trainer MTCNA, MTCRE, MTCWE, MTCTCE, MTCINE, MTCSE, HE IPv6 Sage, Cambium ePMP Certified Author of "Learn RouterOS- Second Edition” Link Technologies, Inc -- MikroTik & WISP Support Services Office: 314-735-0270 Website: http://www.linktechs.net Create Wireless Coverage’s with www.towercoverage.com <http://www.towercoverage.com> -----Original Message----- From: AF <mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com> <af-boun...@af.afmug.com> On Behalf Of Dev Sent: Friday, February 21, 2020 1:30 PM To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group <mailto:af@af.afmug.com> <af@af.afmug.com> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.5Ghz FCC Auction 105 Which eliminates some very large percentage of the WISP’s in small markets who would be most able to help with the last mile. They’d be laughed out a bank, assuming their bank knows what spectrum is at all. So their option would be to hope no one bids? On Feb 21, 2020, at 10:41 AM, Seth Mattinen <mailto:se...@rollernet.us> <se...@rollernet.us> wrote: On 2/21/20 10:13 AM, Steve Jones wrote: look at cook county. crazy. but dont forget there are two bidding credits we are eligible for Which are applied to a winning bid, you still have to wire the FCC the full amount at the beginning to participate. -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com -- AF mailing list AF@af.afmug.com <mailto:AF@af.afmug.com> http://af.afmug.com/mailman/listinfo/af_af.afmug.com
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