Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions
I'm also a bit nervous and curoius at the same time about discontinued functions, namely: Online system state restores - You can no longer restore the system state on a system that is online. Instead, use the Automated System Recovery (ASR) based recovery method to restore the system state in offline Windows Preinstallation Environment (PE) mode. and The following operating systems are no longer supported by the backup-archive client: Linux on Power Systems™ (big endian). You can still use the IBM Spectrum Protect API on Linux on Power Systems (big endian). What is the idea behind "to be competive with x86 platform and get compativility certification for SAP HANA with Linux on Power platform (Big Endian)" (ref. https://blogs.saphana.com/2015/08/21/announcing-general-availability-of-sap-hana-on-ibm-power-systems/ ) and then 1.5 year later drop support of BAclient for OS"? We deployed 10+ big SAP HANA on Power8 instances last year, and now we will be getting "not supported" for new releases? M. Janosik "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" wrote on 12/09/2016 02:45:34 PM: > From: Chavdar Cholev > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > Date: 12/09/2016 02:47 PM > Subject: [ADSM-L] ISP 81 Discontinued functions > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" > > Does some one check discontinued functions in new version... > especially part of no VM backup as standard function in BA client > It is not good at all. TDP for Virtual environment for hyper-V creats diff > hdds (.avhdx) > and my customers will not be happy with this, because you have to merge > these file, > when you need to expand .vhdx disk for example > > :( > Regards > Cahvdar >
Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions
Is there any list of discontinued functions for the server? I found that list only for the client... For us, a real show-stopper is the discontinued support for Windows 7. This OS is still widely used here, and we don't officially support newer versions of Windows for the client for privacy reasons - so we won't be able to use the ISP client 8.1 in the foreseeable future. And, for which (technical) reason has the support for 'dsmc restore systemstate' on Windows systems been dropped? The new ASR method is very complicated and most probably can't be followed by a normal Windows user. Regards, -- Björn Rackoll Universität Hamburg Regionales Rechenzentrum Basis-Infrastruktur Schlüterstr. 70 20146 Hamburg Tel.: +49 (0)40 42838 - 63 11 Fax: +49 (0)40 42838 - 62 70 Mobil: +49 (0)172 427 0301 E-Mail: bac...@mailman.rrz.uni-hamburg.de
Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions
Hello, The new support matrix is a BIG joke Dropping support for Windows 7 / Windows 2008 R2! Bye Rainer Tammer On 12.12.2016 16:18, Martin Janosik wrote: > I'm also a bit nervous and curoius at the same time about discontinued > functions, namely: > Online system state restores - You can no longer restore the system state > on a system that is online. Instead, use the Automated System Recovery > (ASR) based recovery method to restore the system state in offline Windows > Preinstallation Environment (PE) mode. > and > The following operating systems are no longer supported by the > backup-archive client: > Linux on Power Systems™ (big endian). You can still use the IBM Spectrum > Protect API on Linux on Power Systems (big endian). > > What is the idea behind "to be competive with x86 platform and get > compativility certification for SAP HANA with Linux on Power platform (Big > Endian)" (ref. > https://blogs.saphana.com/2015/08/21/announcing-general-availability-of-sap-hana-on-ibm-power-systems/ > ) and then 1.5 year later drop support of BAclient for OS"? > > We deployed 10+ big SAP HANA on Power8 instances last year, and now we will > be getting "not supported" for new releases? > > M. Janosik > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" wrote on 12/09/2016 > 02:45:34 PM: > >> From: Chavdar Cholev >> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU >> Date: 12/09/2016 02:47 PM >> Subject: [ADSM-L] ISP 81 Discontinued functions >> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" >> >> Does some one check discontinued functions in new version... >> especially part of no VM backup as standard function in BA client >> It is not good at all. TDP for Virtual environment for hyper-V creats > diff >> hdds (.avhdx) >> and my customers will not be happy with this, because you have to merge >> these file, >> when you need to expand .vhdx disk for example >> >> :( >> Regards >> Cahvdar >> >
Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions
No more systemstate restore is just bad. On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Rainer Tammer wrote: > Hello, > The new support matrix is a BIG joke > Dropping support for Windows 7 / Windows 2008 R2! > > Bye > Rainer Tammer > > On 12.12.2016 16:18, Martin Janosik wrote: > > I'm also a bit nervous and curoius at the same time about discontinued > > functions, namely: > > Online system state restores - You can no longer restore the system state > > on a system that is online. Instead, use the Automated System Recovery > > (ASR) based recovery method to restore the system state in offline > Windows > > Preinstallation Environment (PE) mode. > > and > > The following operating systems are no longer supported by the > > backup-archive client: > > Linux on Power Systems™ (big endian). You can still use the IBM Spectrum > > Protect API on Linux on Power Systems (big endian). > > > > What is the idea behind "to be competive with x86 platform and get > > compativility certification for SAP HANA with Linux on Power platform > (Big > > Endian)" (ref. > > https://blogs.saphana.com/2015/08/21/announcing-general- > availability-of-sap-hana-on-ibm-power-systems/ > > ) and then 1.5 year later drop support of BAclient for OS"? > > > > We deployed 10+ big SAP HANA on Power8 instances last year, and now we > will > > be getting "not supported" for new releases? > > > > M. Janosik > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" wrote on 12/09/2016 > > 02:45:34 PM: > > > >> From: Chavdar Cholev > >> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > >> Date: 12/09/2016 02:47 PM > >> Subject: [ADSM-L] ISP 81 Discontinued functions > >> Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" > >> > >> Does some one check discontinued functions in new version... > >> especially part of no VM backup as standard function in BA client > >> It is not good at all. TDP for Virtual environment for hyper-V creats > > diff > >> hdds (.avhdx) > >> and my customers will not be happy with this, because you have to merge > >> these file, > >> when you need to expand .vhdx disk for example > >> > >> :( > >> Regards > >> Cahvdar > >> > > >
Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions
This just means it is not supported in 8.1. Microsoft isn't releasing anything new on these OSes either and TSM 7.1 (with xp and 2008 support) will still be around for quite a while. I remember carrying around win2003 for a long long time on TSM 6.3 (which is still supported by the way) -Shawn On Dec 12, 2016, 11:15 AM -0500, Rainer Tammer , wrote: > Hello, > The new support matrix is a BIG joke > Dropping support for Windows 7 / Windows 2008 R2! > > Bye > Rainer Tammer > > On 12.12.2016 16:18, Martin Janosik wrote: > > I'm also a bit nervous and curoius at the same time about discontinued > > functions, namely: > > Online system state restores - You can no longer restore the system state > > on a system that is online. Instead, use the Automated System Recovery > > (ASR) based recovery method to restore the system state in offline Windows > > Preinstallation Environment (PE) mode. > > and > > The following operating systems are no longer supported by the > > backup-archive client: > > Linux on Power Systems™ (big endian). You can still use the IBM Spectrum > > Protect API on Linux on Power Systems (big endian). > > > > What is the idea behind "to be competive with x86 platform and get > > compativility certification for SAP HANA with Linux on Power platform (Big > > Endian)" (ref. > > https://blogs.saphana.com/2015/08/21/announcing-general-availability-of-sap-hana-on-ibm-power-systems/ > > ) and then 1.5 year later drop support of BAclient for OS"? > > > > We deployed 10+ big SAP HANA on Power8 instances last year, and now we will > > be getting "not supported" for new releases? > > > > M. Janosik > > > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" wrote on 12/09/2016 > > 02:45:34 PM: > > > > > From: Chavdar Cholev > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > > Date: 12/09/2016 02:47 PM > > > Subject: [ADSM-L] ISP 81 Discontinued functions > > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" > > > > > Does some one check discontinued functions in new version... > > > especially part of no VM backup as standard function in BA client > > > It is not good at all. TDP for Virtual environment for hyper-V creats > > diff > > > hdds (.avhdx) > > > and my customers will not be happy with this, because you have to merge > > > these file, > > > when you need to expand .vhdx disk for example > > > > > > :( > > > Regards > > > Cahvdar > > > > >
Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions
Hi Martin, It's true IBM Spectrum Protect did support online system state restores before, but it is against Microsoft's best practices to support it. IBM Spectrum Protect 8.1 is more strictly enforcing the documented best practices from Microsoft for system state restores. IBM did not drop the API support for LoP BE specifically so that Data Protection for SAP HANA on Power BE continues to be supported. However, IBM's strategic direction is LoP LE ( https://www.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-power-little-endian-faq-trs/ ). Both SAP and Data Protection for SAP HANA have LoP LE support on the roadmap for 1H17. Your investment in Linux on Power is safe, it is just that the software will switch to LE architecture from current BE architecture in the future. Del "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" wrote on 12/12/2016 10:18:18 AM: > From: Martin Janosik > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > Date: 12/12/2016 10:19 AM > Subject: Re: ISP 81 Discontinued functions > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" > > I'm also a bit nervous and curoius at the same time about discontinued > functions, namely: > Online system state restores - You can no longer restore the system state > on a system that is online. Instead, use the Automated System Recovery > (ASR) based recovery method to restore the system state in offline Windows > Preinstallation Environment (PE) mode. > and > The following operating systems are no longer supported by the > backup-archive client: > Linux on Power Systems™ (big endian). You can still use the IBM Spectrum > Protect API on Linux on Power Systems (big endian). > > What is the idea behind "to be competive with x86 platform and get > compativility certification for SAP HANA with Linux on Power platform (Big > Endian)" (ref. > https://blogs.saphana.com/2015/08/21/announcing-general- > availability-of-sap-hana-on-ibm-power-systems/ > ) and then 1.5 year later drop support of BAclient for OS"? > > We deployed 10+ big SAP HANA on Power8 instances last year, and now we will > be getting "not supported" for new releases? > > M. Janosik > > "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" wrote on 12/09/2016 > 02:45:34 PM: > > > From: Chavdar Cholev > > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > > Date: 12/09/2016 02:47 PM > > Subject: [ADSM-L] ISP 81 Discontinued functions > > Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" > > > > Does some one check discontinued functions in new version... > > especially part of no VM backup as standard function in BA client > > It is not good at all. TDP for Virtual environment for hyper-V creats > diff > > hdds (.avhdx) > > and my customers will not be happy with this, because you have to merge > > these file, > > when you need to expand .vhdx disk for example > > > > :( > > Regards > > Cahvdar > >
