Re: Incl/Excl Problem
Here's adding my 2c to the confusion: I agree with Lindsay; setting DOMAIN D: is dangerous, because that way all you get is D:, and if someone adds an E: drive later, it will be skipped. So I recommend using Bill's notation: Domain ALL-LOCAL -C: or Domain ALL-LOCAL Domain -C: Domain statements are additive; so if you specify all-local minus C:, if someone adds an E: drive later it will be correctly picked up. However, the original poster wanted to back up a subdirectory on C: If you exclude C: with a Domain statement, or with exclude.dir, you can't back up a subdirectory, because TSM will never traverse the C: drive at all. The only way to backup a subdirectory in C: without backing up all of C: is exclude c:\...\* include c:\...\subdir\...\* And that is going to give you a backup of all the files in subdir, and any subdirectories of subdir, AND a backup of all the other directory objects on C: as well. No way around that. NOW for my quibble, which is with the use of this notation: INCORRECT: exclude c:\...\*.* The include/exclude statements are doing a pattern match against the long file name. If you use the notation "*.*", the include/exclude statement will NOT match any files that do not have a "." in the name. There aren't a lot, but you will find some files in window with no suffix. I have NEVER seen a case in a real TSM site where the use of this notation was correct, or getting the intended results. The correct notation is c:\...\* the \ ...\ is a wildcard for any number of subdirectories (including 0 subdirectories), and the * is a pattern match for any number of characters, so it always works. Unfortunately the incorrect use of c:\...\*.* persisted in the client manual for a long time, but it was an artifact leftover from prehistoric windows versions, before windows used long file names. And of course, it still persists in web-space (and probably will persist long after we're dead because of that!). But it's still incorrect. W On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:20 AM, lindsay morris wrote: > Well, not to quibble, Bill, but you can use exclude.dir to avoid > getting the C: directories, right? > And the problem of users / admins adding a drive in the future, and > TSM then SILENTLY skipping it due to DOMAIN D:, is real. > > I mean, I've seen this happen, and want to warn against this bad > practice. > Agree? Disagree? > -- > Mr. Lindsay Morris > Principal > www.tsmworks.com > 919-403-8260 > lind...@tsmworks.com > > > > > On Jul 23, 2009, at Jul 23, 10:54 AM, Bill Boyer wrote: > > I prefer to exclude it from the DOMAIN. That way you won't get the >> directories on the C: drive. This is from the help. >> >> >> For example, in the following options Tivoli Storage Manager will >> process all local drives except for the c: drive, systemobject, >> and systemstate domain: >> >>domain ALL-LOCAL -c: -systemobject >>domain ALL-LOCAL -c: -systemstate >> >> >> >> Bill Boyer >> "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn >> >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On >> Behalf Of >> lindsay morris >> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:27 AM >> To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU >> Subject: Re: Incl/Excl Problem >> >> Well, there's a problem there: >> Our ART product has found several customers that shot themselves in >> the foot by doing this: >> DOMAIN D: >> because they don't want to back up C:, a stock image of windows-and- >> office. >> >> That works fine. But months later, the user adds drive E:, and TSM >> silently skips it. >> >> Better to use exclude of C:, IMHO >> >> -- >> Mr. Lindsay Morris >> Principal >> www.tsmworks.com >> 919-403-8260 >> lind...@tsmworks.com >> >> >> >> >> On Jul 23, 2009, at Jul 23, 10:05 AM, km wrote: >> >> Even easier (no OS involvment) would be to use: >>> >>> virtualmountpoint c:\dir >>> domain c:\dir >>> >>> in dsm.opt >>> >>> -km >>> >>> On 23/07, Adrian Compton wrote: >>> Hi Patryk I found the best way to selectively backup directories was to create a share on the directory, and you can then choose that share as a domain to backup in your opt file. Hope this helps Regards Adrian Compton Aspen Pharmacare Port Elizabeth tel: +2741 4072855 Fax: +2741 453 7452 Cell: +27823204495 Email: acomp...@aspenpharma.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Patryk Bobak Sent: 23 July 2009 09:37 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] Incl/Excl Problem Hi, I have problem with Incl/Excl list on client. I've searched forum and google but I cant find good solution. I want to backup only one selected folder (with subfolders and files) from C:. For example "C:\test\". I tryed a lot of configurations with exclude
Re: Incl/Excl Problem
Wanda your two cents is worth at least a dime! I never knew you could use a MINUS sign in the DOMAIN statement to EXCLUDE a drive/filespace. Perfect, easy solution for all those "bad=practice" customers who've done this! I hope they lurk here, read this and make the change. Thank you! -- Mr. Lindsay Morris Principal www.tsmworks.com 919-403-8260 lind...@tsmworks.com On Jul 24, 2009, at Jul 24, 8:34 AM, Wanda Prather wrote: Here's adding my 2c to the confusion: I agree with Lindsay; setting DOMAIN D: is dangerous, because that way all you get is D:, and if someone adds an E: drive later, it will be skipped. So I recommend using Bill's notation: Domain ALL-LOCAL -C: or Domain ALL-LOCAL Domain -C: Domain statements are additive; so if you specify all-local minus C:, if someone adds an E: drive later it will be correctly picked up. However, the original poster wanted to back up a subdirectory on C: If you exclude C: with a Domain statement, or with exclude.dir, you can't back up a subdirectory, because TSM will never traverse the C: drive at all. The only way to backup a subdirectory in C: without backing up all of C: is exclude c:\...\* include c:\...\subdir\...\* And that is going to give you a backup of all the files in subdir, and any subdirectories of subdir, AND a backup of all the other directory objects on C: as well. No way around that. NOW for my quibble, which is with the use of this notation: INCORRECT: exclude c:\...\*.* The include/exclude statements are doing a pattern match against the long file name. If you use the notation "*.*", the include/exclude statement will NOT match any files that do not have a "." in the name. There aren't a lot, but you will find some files in window with no suffix. I have NEVER seen a case in a real TSM site where the use of this notation was correct, or getting the intended results. The correct notation is c:\...\* the \ ...\ is a wildcard for any number of subdirectories (including 0 subdirectories), and the * is a pattern match for any number of characters, so it always works. Unfortunately the incorrect use of c:\...\*.* persisted in the client manual for a long time, but it was an artifact leftover from prehistoric windows versions, before windows used long file names. And of course, it still persists in web-space (and probably will persist long after we're dead because of that!). But it's still incorrect. W On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:20 AM, lindsay morris wrote: Well, not to quibble, Bill, but you can use exclude.dir to avoid getting the C: directories, right? And the problem of users / admins adding a drive in the future, and TSM then SILENTLY skipping it due to DOMAIN D:, is real. I mean, I've seen this happen, and want to warn against this bad practice. Agree? Disagree? -- Mr. Lindsay Morris Principal www.tsmworks.com 919-403-8260 lind...@tsmworks.com On Jul 23, 2009, at Jul 23, 10:54 AM, Bill Boyer wrote: I prefer to exclude it from the DOMAIN. That way you won't get the directories on the C: drive. This is from the help. For example, in the following options Tivoli Storage Manager will process all local drives except for the c: drive, systemobject, and systemstate domain: domain ALL-LOCAL -c: -systemobject domain ALL-LOCAL -c: -systemstate Bill Boyer "Life is hard. After all, it kills you." - Katharine Hepburn -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of lindsay morris Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 10:27 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: Incl/Excl Problem Well, there's a problem there: Our ART product has found several customers that shot themselves in the foot by doing this: DOMAIN D: because they don't want to back up C:, a stock image of windows-and- office. That works fine. But months later, the user adds drive E:, and TSM silently skips it. Better to use exclude of C:, IMHO -- Mr. Lindsay Morris Principal www.tsmworks.com 919-403-8260 lind...@tsmworks.com On Jul 23, 2009, at Jul 23, 10:05 AM, km wrote: Even easier (no OS involvment) would be to use: virtualmountpoint c:\dir domain c:\dir in dsm.opt -km On 23/07, Adrian Compton wrote: Hi Patryk I found the best way to selectively backup directories was to create a share on the directory, and you can then choose that share as a domain to backup in your opt file. Hope this helps Regards Adrian Compton Aspen Pharmacare Port Elizabeth tel: +2741 4072855 Fax: +2741 453 7452 Cell: +27823204495 Email: acomp...@aspenpharma.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Patryk Bobak Sent: 23 July 2009 09:37 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] Incl/Excl Problem Hi, I have problem with Incl/Excl list on client. I've searched forum and google but I cant find good solution. I want to backup only one selected folder (with subfolders and files) from C:. For example "C:\test\
two tsm server instances on the same windows server with library-sharing
hello, is it possible, to run two tsm server instances on the same windows system using the same library? Are there any special hints for configure the tsm server and the library sharing? tsm server version 5.5.3.0 with best regards andreas
Used 3494 / 3590 equip
Just wondering if anyone knows what the market might be for a 3-frame 3494 with 8 3590-H1A drives. Also, is there market for about 1800 used 3590E cartridges? We just finished migrating off and my boss just wants to trash the whole thing. I'd be curious to know just how much money they're throwing away. Thanks. - CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments may contain confidential information that is protected by law and is for the sole use of the individuals or entities to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this email and destroying all copies of the communication and attachments. Further use, disclosure, copying, distribution of, or reliance upon the contents of this email and attachments is strictly prohibited. To contact Albany Medical Center, or for a copy of our privacy practices, please visit us on the Internet at www.amc.edu.
Re: Used 3494 / 3590 equip
I'll take it! Just kidding: I'm thinking this has some rather significant value. Try eBay... Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Druckenmiller, David Sent: Friday, July 24, 2009 12:51 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: [ADSM-L] Used 3494 / 3590 equip Just wondering if anyone knows what the market might be for a 3-frame 3494 with 8 3590-H1A drives. Also, is there market for about 1800 used 3590E cartridges? We just finished migrating off and my boss just wants to trash the whole thing. I'd be curious to know just how much money they're throwing away. Thanks. - CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments may contain confidential information that is protected by law and is for the sole use of the individuals or entities to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this email and destroying all copies of the communication and attachments. Further use, disclosure, copying, distribution of, or reliance upon the contents of this email and attachments is strictly prohibited. To contact Albany Medical Center, or for a copy of our privacy practices, please visit us on the Internet at www.amc.edu.
Re: Used 3494 / 3590 equip
Depending on the criticality, it might be a negative value considering maintenance costs for old hardware. Best bet would be to ask those used/refurbished online places. Regards, Shawn Shawn Drew Internet druc...@mail.amc.edu Sent by: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 07/24/2009 02:51 PM Please respond to ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L cc Subject [ADSM-L] Used 3494 / 3590 equip Just wondering if anyone knows what the market might be for a 3-frame 3494 with 8 3590-H1A drives. Also, is there market for about 1800 used 3590E cartridges? We just finished migrating off and my boss just wants to trash the whole thing. I'd be curious to know just how much money they're throwing away. Thanks. - CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments may contain confidential information that is protected by law and is for the sole use of the individuals or entities to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this email and destroying all copies of the communication and attachments. Further use, disclosure, copying, distribution of, or reliance upon the contents of this email and attachments is strictly prohibited. To contact Albany Medical Center, or for a copy of our privacy practices, please visit us on the Internet at www.amc.edu. This message and any attachments (the "message") is intended solely for the addressees and is confidential. If you receive this message in error, please delete it and immediately notify the sender. Any use not in accord with its purpose, any dissemination or disclosure, either whole or partial, is prohibited except formal approval. The internet can not guarantee the integrity of this message. BNP PARIBAS (and its subsidiaries) shall (will) not therefore be liable for the message if modified. Please note that certain functions and services for BNP Paribas may be performed by BNP Paribas RCC, Inc.
Re: Used 3494 / 3590 equip
There are companies that purchase old/used media, erase it, then resell it. "Druckenmiller, David" ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Sent by: "ADSM:cc Dist Stor Manager" Subject 07/24/2009 02:53 PM Please respond to "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager" Just wondering if anyone knows what the market might be for a 3-frame 3494 with 8 3590-H1A drives. Also, is there market for about 1800 used 3590E cartridges? We just finished migrating off and my boss just wants to trash the whole thing. I'd be curious to know just how much money they're throwing away. Thanks. - CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments may contain confidential information that is protected by law and is for the sole use of the individuals or entities to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this email and destroying all copies of the communication and attachments. Further use, disclosure, copying, distribution of, or reliance upon the contents of this email and attachments is strictly prohibited. To contact Albany Medical Center, or for a copy of our privacy practices, please visit us on the Internet at www.amc.edu. - The information contained in this message is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the recipient(s) named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this document in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately, and delete the original message.
Re: Used 3494 / 3590 equip
David, If you want to email me individually, I can give you a line on both issues. We just retired a 3494, a 3584, and thousands of 3590 and 3592 cartridges about a year ago. Best Regards, John D. Schneider The Computer Coaching Community, LLC Office: (314) 635-5424 / Toll Free: (866) 796-9226 Cell: (314) 750-8721 Original Message Subject: [ADSM-L] Used 3494 / 3590 equip From: "Druckenmiller, David" Date: Fri, July 24, 2009 1:51 pm To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Just wondering if anyone knows what the market might be for a 3-frame 3494 with 8 3590-H1A drives. Also, is there market for about 1800 used 3590E cartridges? We just finished migrating off and my boss just wants to trash the whole thing. I'd be curious to know just how much money they're throwing away. Thanks. - CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email and any attachments may contain confidential information that is protected by law and is for the sole use of the individuals or entities to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender by replying to this email and destroying all copies of the communication and attachments. Further use, disclosure, copying, distribution of, or reliance upon the contents of this email and attachments is strictly prohibited. To contact Albany Medical Center, or for a copy of our privacy practices, please visit us on the Internet at www.amc.edu.
